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| | In the Middle of Unity, or Unity in the Middle.Page 1 of 1 | In the threads lately (well, even more so lately) I see alot of people here saying they believe that we are all part of a whole... The thing I like is that many of the ways of expressing this came from very different ways of thought.
No matter how hard some try to categorize and separate us, all I see is Unity.
Shared by mystics and quantum physicists alike, the idea of us being everything around us is getting more wide spread as I type.
I believe we are all unique aspects of the whole... That's why nobody's take on this will be exactly the same... I'm greedy though... I want to know what makes us tick.
Can you get past the paradox of all being different while at the same time, all being the same thing? If so, what caused you to take the notice? If not, why?
Do you share my thoughts of duality being a tool and a manmade illusion, necessary to share the experience of being a unique aspect of experience? Is this why we like stories so much?
We want people to be able to relate to us, but we also know that nobody can share (absolutely) our personal experience... To those who don't see Unity, that could be maddening... So many categories... So many personal truths... Who is right? Which group sees my perspective? What if I'm the only one? Shall I conform? Shall I try to conform others?
For those who do, it is a fun thing... Sharing, comparing and growing together... No one is wrong, unless they believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are right.
Once you think you have it all wrapped up, you can no longer gaze upon it... Everything changes... That's something absolutely everything we know of has in common... Uniqueness and change.
I just want to compare experience. Please don't bash each other... If you need to bash someone, you can bash me. | |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 10:00:15 AM | Cool thread Stone 
Can you get past the paradox of all being different while at the same time, all being the same thing? Yup, I love it!
If so, what caused you to take the notice? I don't really know precisely when it occurred... I guess it has been more of a gradual happenstance... much of it has been due to my studies on eastern wisdom... also meditation...
While quietly contemplating during meditation... I can feel the duality between myself and everything.. the more I meditate... the more I find myself in the middle... not me/not the universe... rather, a little bit of both :)
I also feel this while I channel.. I recieve... but what is transmitting? An aspect of me? God? Ahhh... but it is all one and the same :)
Do you share my thoughts of duality being a tool and a manmade illusion, necessary to share the experience of being a unique aspect of experience? I see all duality as an opportunity to stretch a little bit father.. until the lines but blur... and I no longer percieve it as such...
We want people to be able to relate to us, but we also know that nobody can share (absolutely) our personal experience... There have been times that this really bothered me... when it seems no one understands me... as though I am speaking some incomprehensible/foreign language... making me feel cut adrift and alone, but at the same time, I fully understand that I am never truly alone.. a paradox I am now completely comfortable with :) | |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 11:41:02 AM | Thanks
While quietly contemplating during meditation... I can feel the duality between myself and everything.. the more I meditate... the more I find myself in the middle... not me/not the universe... rather, a little bit of both :)
That's so cool... I always try to get into the "gap" of things during meditation... Between Yin and Yang and their ever circling relationship... The inside and the outside in the same place, and it's like you say... It isn't just me there, but ALL of me, lol. Objective? Subjective? Neither and both.
I see all duality as an opportunity to stretch a little bit father.. until the lines but blur... and I no longer percieve it as such...
Nice! I think once you try to see all sides of something, the sides (or walls) eventually decay... The power of compassion is in there somewhere.
There have been times that this really bothered me... when it seems no one understands me... as though I am speaking some incomprehensible/foreign language... making me feel cut adrift and alone, but at the same time, I fully understand that I am never truly alone.. a paradox I am now completely comfortable with :)
The whole needs every single one of it's parts... Sometimes Sassy, you make it very clear that you have much worth teaching. | |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 11:53:38 AM |
I think once you try to see all sides of something, the sides (or walls) eventually decay... The power of compassion is in there somewhere. I have never thought of that... how compassion fits.. but now that I think about it.. *love* transcends all duality, so it makes perfect sense..
It also fits with one of my favorite phrases: We are the paradox to unite all duality :)
The whole needs every single one of it's parts... Sometimes Sassy, you make it very clear that you have much worth teaching. Aww shucks, back at ya Stone :) | |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 12:43:18 PM |
Can you get past the paradox of all being different while at the same time, all being the same thing? If so, what caused you to take the notice? If not, why?
Well of course we are all the same, Human. I also believe we are all connected. This doesn't mean that this connection is fully realized or even partly in some cases. I don't see this as a paradox though. I simply see it as a fact that barriers prevent its full realization. I'm not sure that I want people to agree with me or relate to me as much as i am trying to make sense of this world for myself. I find the forums a good place to do this. Often just getting it outside of yourself and expressing yourself allows yourself to relate to yourself in a deeper and more understanding way. The fact that many people can't relate or believe as i do is actually reassuring to me at this point. Some people see disagreements as a negative thing or if a person is passionate about their opinion they are trying to convert you but I don't think it really is that way.
Being able to stand in my own power is extremely important to me as that hasn't been the case for me in my life. From the dominating beliefs of a father and the experimental search for meaning within a relationship to standing on my own and sharing my own personal belief's that have come out of a life time of experience with the church, spiritual circles and even out of my own solitude. I don't think all the disharmony that we see on the forums and in life are a result of our differences. I think it is born out of self importance.
I take a strong stance on my beliefs, because of a lack of being able to express them in the past. Others have different reasons but they all amount to the need for acceptance on some level. Unfortunately some beliefs are not acceptable in the minds of others for very good reasons. There is a lot of trolling and general abuse on these forums, I wouldn't even involve myself in a lot of the discussions on the religion forums because of it but i'm learning and healing a life time of religious and spiritual abuse and i find myself heading in a direction of integration from my relationship with all of you.
Agree or disagree with your beliefs we are one, on a rock whirling around the universe. I'm grateful for each and everyone of the people i've interacted with on the forums in a way that most won't ever understand because it often seems there is so much between. I don't see it that way at all though. Not all disharmony is a bad thing especially if it brings people to a better understanding within themselves and challenges the foundation that is called belief. | |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 2:19:28 PM | wow stones... i backspaced and found a thread I was going to start called "What is the spirit of the thing?"
so I copy and past it here...
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I suppose that all the wordy arguements in this forum are starting to bore me to tears to the point where I force myself to read through some who post what others believe and then a little of their own mechinations which is really all I want to read anyway.
Now some folks will say that you need to go to inordinate extremes to explain your point of view... I think most of the posters in this forum don't need all that. So here's my point... my observation for what it's worth.
Some posters don't seem to want to judge by the spirit of a thing... I mean to go off about what folks believe or even why folks believe is I think missing the point. Here we are in the flesh and spirit writing about the surface when if we just took two shakes of monkeys tail to think about what we're writing we could look for the spirit of the things we're talking about. It really drives me bonkers wading through what Martin Luther or Father Mocahey believed or wrote what or when or however.
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Well that's as far as I got with it but I was trying to get to the point of what is the spirit of the thing we're trying to talk about or understanding anothers veiwpoint.
I think you've already captured the spirit of what I was trying to communicate. Yes I'm a Christian but instead of asking me why I believe what I believe I think it's only fair to ask first what the spirit of thing is. And for me the spirit of the thing is I hate thinking I'm right but I do believe and indeed know that there was a man who walked this earth that had the right spirit and tried to pass on that spirit to us. I do think that some have that same spirit today. And I do believe and think and feel that those with that spirit are able to move others in beneficial ways... And lastly I do believe that not everyone who has the spirit of salvation within them actually can clarify why or who or what that entails.
I feel and grieve that understanding is not always my motivation when I read and write in these forums and yet that is to me one of the highest and most difficult of motivations. But that's why I keep coming back... to sit in the middle of the room and feel the unity of being at least one of those who has the desire to understand. | |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 3:00:19 PM | Thank you for this thread Stonestongue.
Can you get past the paradox of all being different while at the same time, all being the same thing?
First comes the question regarding this paradox...
Then comes the grappling with "Is this possible?"...
But then what?
My intuitive feeling is then comes the burden of proof of this same paradox (All are one, one is all) to "experience" that there is no separation in reality. That experience once had is liberation from both:
A) The paradox itself.
B) Suffering born out of the concept of separation (duality).
Do you share my thoughts of duality being a tool and a manmade illusion, necessary to share the experience of being a unique aspect of experience?
Perhaps duality (ego, Maya) is a creator made tool rather than man made?
Once the child is no longer satisfied with its playthings (Maya), it longs for, cries out and seeks it Mother/Father for solace.
Once you think you have it all wrapped up, you can no longer gaze upon it... Everything changes... That's something absolutely everything we know of has in common... Uniqueness and change.
My humble suggestion here would be to add a caveat to the above statement. Everything within "duality" changes.
The intuitive feeling (as this is not spoken from a POV of experience) is that once the experience of all is one is had, then one experiences unity with that which is changeless.
Perhaps change is an illusion that must exist when separation exists? | |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 4:44:48 PM | Hey Stones!
Do you share my thoughts of duality being a tool and a manmade illusion, necessary to share the experience of being a unique aspect of experience? Is this why we like stories so much?
I'm not sure what "manmade illusion" you refer to, unless it's religion and other beliefs. Explain that to me Stones.
Nature is dualism... The snow flake is a good reminder, they are, to all intents and purposes, the same thing, until you look closely at them, just as we are.
Who is right? Which group sees my perspective? What if I'm the only one? Shall I conform? Shall I try to conform others?
Hmm.
“You can fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all the time.” ~ Abraham Lincoln
For those who do, it is a fun thing... Sharing, comparing and growing together... No one is wrong, unless they believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are right.
I like that… cuts the dogma to the bone. :)
Once you think you have it all wrapped up, you can no longer gaze upon it... Everything changes... That's something absolutely everything we know of has in common... Uniqueness and change.
Again, not unique in its thinking BUT worthy of repeating. :)
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Posted: 1/23/2008 7:36:23 PM | Cool... I was hoping for some good thoughts and you all pulled through!
Sorry for the long post, but hey...
Crazylilting;
I also believe we are all connected. This doesn't mean that this connection is fully realized or even partly in some cases. I don't see this as a paradox though. I simply see it as a fact that barriers prevent its full realization.
I agree, with the exception that I believe the barriers will one day be breached and that it will be plain for all to see... You never know, right?
Some people see disagreements as a negative thing or if a person is passionate about their opinion they are trying to convert you but I don't think it really is that way.
With alot of people it isn't you're right, but some project their own fears onto others in order to feel rightous... When opinions are feared, I think it is a negative thing.
I like how you defend passion.
Statueman;
Some posters don't seem to want to judge by the spirit of a thing... I mean to go off about what folks believe or even why folks believe is I think missing the point. Here we are in the flesh and spirit writing about the surface when if we just took two shakes of monkeys tail to think about what we're writing we could look for the spirit of the things we're talking about. It really drives me bonkers wading through what Martin Luther or Father Mocahey believed or wrote what or when or however.
I like the personal opinions better too... It's nice to compliment your post with a quote or two(or at least I think it is... I do it a bit) but to use anothers words as your sole argument leaves me a little dry.
And for me the spirit of the thing is I hate thinking I'm right but I do believe and indeed know that there was a man who walked this earth that had the right spirit and tried to pass on that spirit to us.
I believe that too... But I also believe that many of us are still doing it... Even here on these forums... I still have hope for Us.
Thanks for bringing your other post here... You got heart, man.
Living Dharma;
My intuitive feeling is then comes the burden of proof of this same paradox (All are one, one is all) to "experience" that there is no separation in reality. That experience once had is liberation from both:
A) The paradox itself.
B) Suffering born out of the concept of separation (duality).
I do believe this... One of my favorite sayings is "The paradox is that there is no paradox", but then again, I sometimes like to say that we are the paradox.
Perhaps duality (ego, Maya) is a creator made tool rather than man made?
To me, there isn't really any difference... But I should have clarified... I believe we are all aspects of the One, so when I say manmade, I meant made by us and not necessarily in the form of man... I think if we went back far enough, we would all have a common ancestor with that tree out there.
The intuitive feeling (as this is not spoken from a POV of experience) is that once the experience of all is one is had, then one experiences unity with that which is changeless.
Interesting... But I have to say that to truly experience unity, you still must go through changes... I do not believe the future is set or known by any (including God) so unity must be in a constant change to allow for growth... Any new experience would have to be incorporated into the whole... I know I may be a nut, but I've thought long about infinity.
Perhaps change is an illusion that must exist when separation exists?
That could very well be... For change to exist, there must be difference, for "all that is" to have difference, it must have unique aspects.
But I believe in "potential" or what some would call the "Tao" so in order for "potential" to exist, "all that is" must have come from the potential to be... For potential to grow and actualize, you need change. (In my view)
Personally, I think we are here to learn about what we are... I think that was the whole point, to me that means growth... In order to have growth, you need change.
Thanks! I think I just grew a little from the paradox you presented me with! Very cool!
Sky! Thanks for droppin by!
I'm not sure what "manmade illusion" you refer to, unless it's religion and other beliefs. Explain that to me Stones.
Yeah, sorry man... I didn't really mean "manmade" as in humans... Just as in Us... I see dualism as a tool we made up so we could have some difference for a change, lol... I guess I believe that if there was a time or place when change didn't exist, even that changed.
Nature is dualism... The snow flake is a good reminder, they are, to all intents and purposes, the same thing, until you look closely at them, just as we are.
Yeah! And I also believe that if you look close enough, we're even made of the same stuff as the snowflakes and came from the same place if you look far back enough.
Snowflakes... I still say there are as many potential universes as potential snowflakes... Thanks for making me picture that again. | |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 8:24:04 PM | OOOps... Sorry!
I want to clarify that I'm just speaking about my opinion when I said this:
Interesting... But I have to say that to truly experience unity, you still must go through changes...
I mean I do believe it, but believing isn't knowing. | |
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Posted: 1/24/2008 5:58:45 AM |
In the threads lately (well, even more so lately) I see alot of people here saying they believe that we are all part of a whole
I noticed that too! I think we are all awakening and our individuality is demanding that we "remember".
The thing I like is that many of the ways of expressing this came from very different ways of thought.
The thing I like is that folks are beginning to see that no matter what their religion or spiritual thought, many are beginning to *see* the "true" message beneath all the dogma, that being *Love*. *Love* demands acceptance, unconditionally, and this leads to the understanding that we really are in this all together.
Do you share my thoughts of duality being a tool and a manmade illusion, necessary to share the experience of being a unique aspect of experience? Is this why we like stories so much?
Duality is necessary for the very reason that despite our differences, we have a training ground, so to speak, to enhance the individuality, yet harmonise the weirdness, lol. Nirvana for the raindrop is to fall into the river and all that.....
But Stone, doesn't manmade = Godhead anyway?? Each consciousness adds to the flow and ever expanding knowledge of All That Is.....each consciousness sharing their unique experiences, delighting in other's unique experiences and honoured that some of us shared the experience together.
Can you get past the paradox of all being different while at the same time, all being the same thing? If so, what caused you to take the notice?
Yes, and I find the concept extremely comforting. NO ONE is lost. All are beloved and valuable. This almost brings tears to my eyes for the beauty of it all. We are all redeemable, forgiveable, cherished and always given the option to choose *Love*.
I was very lucky to be introduced to this concept by traditional members of my mother's family. All Is Connected was explained to me in very real terms when I asked my auntie how she survived Residential Schools, alcoholism, the death of her husband, a severe car crash, a mentally challenged son, and so on, with such perfect Grace and humour. She told me that she was here to live and learn and that her experiences were a catalyst for not only herself to learn, but others. She told me that everything is spirit and all spirit is connected to everything, where there are no lies or posturing. She did not want to return to spirit with hate, for it not only weakened herself, but brought others down, and this was the greatest burden to overcome....
Nature is dualism... The snow flake is a good reminder, they are, to all intents and purposes, the same thing, until you look closely at them, just as we are.
Yes, the same but different. That was perfect! Thanks for that.
I know I may be a nut, but I've thought long about infinity.
lol lol, what conclusion did you come to?
 I crack me up, I am so simple.
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Posted: 1/24/2008 7:21:43 AM | Hey Raveninns!
*Love* demands acceptance, unconditionally, and this leads to the understanding that we really are in this all together.
I *Love* how you worded that!
But Stone, doesn't manmade = Godhead anyway?? Each consciousness adds to the flow and ever expanding knowledge of All That Is.....each consciousness sharing their unique experiences, delighting in other's unique experiences and honoured that some of us shared the experience together.
Arg! lol... I knew I was screwed when I said "manmade"! I simply meant Us... The rest is (as far as I can tell) spot on!
lol lol, what conclusion did you come to?
Just that I'm planning to keep on growing to incorporate the new... So I can keep learning... You ain't simple!
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Posted: 1/24/2008 7:37:53 AM | Oh simplicity, sweet simplicity...
I am a stone, a town, a country, a world, a solar system...
Everything revolves/evolves internally/externally/eternally. :)
Ain't it good what meditation in the bath can do. Lol! | |
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Posted: 1/24/2008 9:12:20 AM | Interesting thread. Made me think about what I believe so I can post a response. I think the traditional view of the Universe is wrong, physicists are slowly coming round to it. Einstein and others looked at the symptoms not the cause. Thats why the Unified Field theory doesnt work, it cant rationalize Einstein and Quantum models. To me the Universe is a recursive energy field, it folds back in on itself over the dimensions. Some of the math actually shows the fifth dimension to be about the size of a tea spoon, and we all fit within it. Kind of like a balloon where every point on the surface is actually connected to the nozzle. It would explain Zero Point energy and other phenomenae. The problem is we are within it so cant see the whole picture, its like a puzzle where you get a picture of an object from an unusual angle and have to guess what it is. Especially difficult if you havent seen one before.
I see the non-duality philosophy as part of a yearning to be part of something bigger. Its hard being an isolated entity, thats why so many of us are here on a dating site. Isnt searching for a soul mate a quest to part of something bigger than us individually. Even Christianity points the same way, being a part of God. For a lot of people it is a psychological crutch.
If the Universe is simply an energy field, or at least sits within, on top of or underneath one, and thats the way a lot of modern day theologies work, I dont think its God, or a god. I do believe it may be psychoreactive and our thoughts bear on tiny portions of it. But as for Unity, most couples cant agree on what colour paper to have in the bathroom. Unity is asking the whole world to agree with other whole worlds of 'differently evolved' creatures. In short, no chance. | |
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Posted: 1/24/2008 2:39:32 PM | Can you get past the paradox of all being different while at the same time, all being the same thing?
I've accepted EVERYTHING is a paradox...the people who enjoy entertaining the possibilities of spirituality generally have an agreement that all energy flows together.....but at the same time...we develop our ideas from our OWN experiences and perspectives....thus ego may never be destroyed....
Can we truely be unified if ego persists? Ahhhh gotta love the paradox.... | |
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Posted: 1/25/2008 7:13:51 AM | Stated more precisely this might be called the old problem of the One and the Many. This occured in Greek Philosophy when Parmenides tried to deny the reality of change and motion. Some clever paradoxes by one of his followers Zeno, showed that the concept of motion as then understood is not really coherent.
Plato and Aristotle carried on this debate, though I don't think it was until the calculus was invented and infinitesimal quantities could be handled (and calculus itself was shown to be logically coherent by mathematicians) that the paradoxes of Zeno could be answered.
Mystics do often describe an experience of God as oneness. Meister Eckhart often talks about God as being absolute unity (which he draws from Neo-Platonic mysticism) while creatures are 'absolutely nothing.' On the other hand, I think modern science affirms that the universe is made of a rich variety of multiple phenomena described using a fairly elegant set of natural laws. Physicists are searching for a 'TOE' which unites the laws into a single law, of which string theory seems the most promising. Still I think the connection between the mystical and the theories of physics is wildly overdrawn, except where infinity is concerned. The infinite seems to be where science, theology and philosophy have something in common, as all of these areas contemplate the infinite. The edges of science also approach the infinite in some ways. Whether one adopts a mystical or rationalist attitude though is up in the air I think. I would adopt a rational attitude to anything which can be known to the human mind, but as human cognition is finite, I don't think we can know everything.
As for paradoxes, these to me either occur something is wrong with the theory and the theory needs to change, or else we have come to limits in our understanding. Paradoxes have often been the start of fruitful theorising (Einstein felt a contradiction in Maxwell's theory of electromagnetism meant something was amiss, which there was and he resolved by relativity) or they can mean we are up to the limits of what we know and can know (as Kant's antinomies of speculative reason demonstrate). In either case I think a paradox should wake us up to the strangeness of existence and also awe at the fact we exist at all. | |
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Posted: 1/25/2008 10:29:45 AM | Nergal;
You have some good thoughts on the matter, thanks!
I see the non-duality philosophy as part of a yearning to be part of something bigger. Its hard being an isolated entity, thats why so many of us are here on a dating site. Isnt searching for a soul mate a quest to part of something bigger than us individually. Even Christianity points the same way, being a part of God. For a lot of people it is a psychological crutch.
I think it's more of just a "feeling" that we're all a part of the same thing... And it hasn't been contradicted by scientific findings so far... It doesn't take away from our individuality in the slightest either, since we are all unique... Psychological crutch? I'm not sure it works the same... Psychological tool? That works for me.
By recognizing we are all unique aspects of the whole of everything brings everybody to an equal playing field... Learning from differences in opinion and compassion go hand in hand... Everyone has something to offer.
If the Universe is simply an energy field, or at least sits within, on top of or underneath one, and thats the way a lot of modern day theologies work, I dont think its God, or a god. I do believe it may be psychoreactive and our thoughts bear on tiny portions of it.
That still sounds like a realization of unity to me... It doesn't matter if your personal perspective of It doesn't resemble a god, just that you see that we are from the same place... Singularity/God/Tao... Who knows what is beyond our measly "Big" bang? What we think we do know is that we all came from there... That has the beginings of a united theory.
But as for Unity, most couples cant agree on what colour paper to have in the bathroom. Unity is asking the whole world to agree with other whole worlds of 'differently evolved' creatures. In short, no chance.
This is where compromise comes into play... How important is the person compared to the colors of a wall? What I see as unity is simply asking everybody to recognize that we are all in this together and that compassion and growth is better than bigotry and greed.
Analogue Man;
I've accepted EVERYTHING is a paradox...the people who enjoy entertaining the possibilities of spirituality generally have an agreement that all energy flows together.....but at the same time...we develop our ideas from our OWN experiences and perspectives....thus ego may never be destroyed....
Can we truely be unified if ego persists? Ahhhh gotta love the paradox....
Indeedy-do!
But what if Ego works the same way? What if every single ego is just a part of the collective ego?
Greg;
I'm gonna have to continue after... Just realized the time and it looks like you're gonna make me think... Cool! | |
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Posted: 1/25/2008 9:49:27 PM |
Stated more precisely this might be called the old problem of the One and the Many.
It could be, yes... However, I don't see it as a problem.
On the other hand, I think modern science affirms that the universe is made of a rich variety of multiple phenomena described using a fairly elegant set of natural laws.
That's true, but realisticly we've traced it all back to a singularity... All else grew from there.
Still I think the connection between the mystical and the theories of physics is wildly overdrawn, except where infinity is concerned. The infinite seems to be where science, theology and philosophy have something in common, as all of these areas contemplate the infinite. The edges of science also approach the infinite in some ways. Whether one adopts a mystical or rationalist attitude though is up in the air I think. I would adopt a rational attitude to anything which can be known to the human mind, but as human cognition is finite, I don't think we can know everything.
That's the thing about infinity... If thought on long enough, all is united... Infinity covers pretty much everything... We can't know everything because everything is in a constant state of change... We would have to know the future to know all of infinity and since the future doesn't exist yet... | |
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Posted: 1/25/2008 11:14:49 PM |
But what if Ego works the same way? What if every single ego is just a part of the collective ego?
Gotta keep er goin stone...heheheheeee
From my understanding ego is the sense of individuality, and perhaps seperation...MY land, My family, My body, what other people think about ME....
thus "collective ego" seems like an oxymoron....
Cammon...fire back...
On a related note...I feel very much connected to people through normal interaction...I'm extremely sensitive...and would regard myself as a "chameleon"...many times...I feel as though I become the person I am talking to.... | |
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Posted: 1/26/2008 11:16:18 AM | I am a stone, a town, a country, a world, a solar system...
Everything revolves/evolves internally/externally/eternally. :)
Ain't it good what meditation in the bath can do. Lol!
Nice...
Gotta keep er goin stone...heheheheeee
From my understanding ego is the sense of individuality, and perhaps seperation...MY land, My family, My body, what other people think about ME....
thus "collective ego" seems like an oxymoron....
How about OUR land, OUR family, OUR bodies and what others think of US?
Ego to me is simply the individual self... Something necessary for obtaining unique outlooks on the whole... But I think the individual is also kind of a delusion.
I always liked this quote from Einstien that deals with just this notion;
"A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
I don't see a collective ego as an oxy-moron... Of course, it's my belief that we are the aspects of God... Every one of us.
I guess that's a little bit of Hindu, a little bit of Buddhism and a little bit of Taoism.
On a related note...I feel very much connected to people through normal interaction...I'm extremely sensitive...and would regard myself as a "chameleon"...many times...I feel as though I become the person I am talking to....
I like that... I'm kind of the same way... Sometimes I think I am but a mirror. | |
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