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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 1/23/2008 1:52:35 PM | Saw this on MSN. then people in "bad areas" wonder why they "don't get police protection!"
"Saying they are frightened that a “no snitching” code is taking root in American society, political and civic leaders across the country are pushing witnesses to find the courage to step forward and help police investigate violent crimes."
"“Stop Snitching” caps and T-shirts and a rap music subgenre that has attracted superstar performers like Snoop Dogg, Ice Cube, and The Game."
This cultural message is not just meant for the "jailhouse snitch" or someone trying to cut a deal for lesser sentance...it also includes any witnesses to crimes. A 12 year old boy was beaten for co-operating with police to bring a murderer to justice....another boy was excused from testifying to protect him from retaliation.
the question is, should networks (radio, tv, etc) continue to covering these 'celebraties' that not only encourage this conspiricy of silence, but produce songs, etc encouraging people to not help keep their streets safe? Should these "celebraties" be shunned by the media and therefore have their "popularity" obscured because of their "look the other way" attitudes?
I feel they should be. Who wants to listen to some fool who actually thinks street violence is such a good thing that they don't want the perpetrators caught? | |
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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 1/23/2008 3:26:51 PM | | I've been reading on CraigList alot and the one in Fort Wayne, Indiana has people posting addresses of supposed crack houses and in Fort Wayne these are very dangerous places..But with the help of CraigList they feel brave enough to "Snitch," I see nothing wrong with that if one is being abused in any shape of form. Where I live I called my landlord after a neighbor wouldn't get her boyfriend to move his friggen bicycle, I kept walking into it and hurt my back, now they are telling everyone in the neighborhood I'm a snitch..I think it's actually kind of funny..Because most of the friendly people in my neighborhood want something but if they think I'm a snitch they will stay away, good...This neighbor is a total drama freak so of course she wants me to come over there and raise h*ll, do the wrong thing..That's what those people want that call other people "Snitches" They want you to kick in their door jam a chain saw up their ars...So then they can own you, they got something on you so they can control you...I am not the most honest person in the world nor am I a total scum bag and I wouldn't "Snitch" on criminals unless a child was molested or hurt in any way, or anyone for that matter..But one of the things I true-ly LOVE On this earth all of us live on is when some abusive scum of the pond big mouth jerk criminal starts talking about how big and tough they are while they bully some poor soul.....Until that is a cop comes around and then they run, they run like h*ll away like the little****oaches they are... | |
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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 1/23/2008 4:39:40 PM | Police are always going to have problems in bad areas. No one wants to be seen talking to a cop.
1) Maybe the main reason is, to protecting their family, more than turning in a perpetrator.
2) Even calling into an anomous line, Who knows who you are reporting it to. It could be someone that is connected to perpetrators in some way.
So if the police could provide 100% protection, that there is no way the report came from who ever. That could change things. We all know that they could not do that. Unless you go into the Witness Protection Program.
Call 911 and report a crime that going on. They want to know your name. Not only that, it is traced back to your phone. | |
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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 1/23/2008 5:26:12 PM | So, in other words....turn a blind eye...alow the criminals to run roughshod over society...as long as they don't bother you. Hmm...interesting take...
They do have lines where you don't have to give your name....but even eye-witnesses get threatened, or their families...and again...the criminals win. When will society grow a backbone and decide to chuck these people out of the neighbourhood? (Or, at least, make sure they know they are NOT welcome and WILL be being watched.) | |
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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 1/23/2008 5:58:24 PM | Maybe many people, in the bad areas do turn a blind eye. Protecting their family is more important than turning in some thug.
Now you do not know who this thug is, you do not know what ties he has to other thugs, or gangs. | |
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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 1/24/2008 1:53:57 AM | There are cameras setup in stores to catch shoplifters, cameras at traffic light to catch traffic violations,Cameras have recently been put up where I work. Cameras could be set up in 'bad areas'. Then there would be no need for snitches.
I do understand both points. I would hate for my daughter to be harmed because she or I snitched, but I would also hate for one of us to be harmed and the only witness to put the criminal away would not snitch.I think people should snitch, but would understand them being afraid to. | |
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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 1/24/2008 3:57:14 AM | Having been on the side of things where snitches provided very useful information in getting thugs off off the streets, I encourage people to speak up. There's a saying among those in the business, so to speak, "People get the kind of law enforcement they deserve." By that, you get what you earn; earned by answering questions when asked, or coming forward, when something happens.
An example I often used to hear, was a call went out about a shooting at a club; several people were shot. Every person in the club, at the time of the shooting, was in the bathroom; that only had two stalls, and two urinals. It must have been right cozy in that bathroom.
How would you feel if you went to see your doctor, and the doctor didn't answer your questions? You'd find another doctor, that could or would answer your questions. Unfortunately, cops don't have the luxury of finding another crime to investigate. They're assigned a case, and they have to follow it through.
I don't know of anyone in law enforcement that would give up a snitch. I do, however, know of officers who have given up their badges to protect their sources.
The answer to the question of snitch or not is easy. Do one of two things, speak up, or shut up. Speak up when you know something, or shut up about the kind of protection you get from law enforcement. | |
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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 1/24/2008 7:50:59 AM | I'd like to hear more comments on what people think about so-called "celebreties" speaking out against "snitching". This list includes basketball players, music 'artists' and some community leaders.
Should these people even recieve media attention because of their views? Censored, in other words? They certainly are not helping to build a better society...and perhaps need to be removed from the public spotlight. | |
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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 1/24/2008 8:15:05 AM | Pretty cut and dried - do you want the good people or the bad people to have the power? No-one has yet been able to snitch on me when I haven't done anything wrong.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." -- Edmund Burke
GE&H | |
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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 1/24/2008 9:49:05 AM | i am a huge supporter of snitching. snitching is good. snitching saves lives in the long run. people who fall for that "it's not my business" bull**** are being irresponsible and profoundly unethical. if you see a crime perpetrated, by virtue of the fact that you witnessed it you are now responsible to do something about it. ie. report it to the cops, be a witness, or if a matter of life or death... intervene... this is how one maintains an ethical society.
I hear this "dont be a snitch" crap at school all the time. it is such bunk. all it does is protect the criminal and ensure that they will continue to be able to perpetrate crimes against the innocent.
lar | |
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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 1/24/2008 1:35:37 PM | Unfortunately, we, speaking as a US citizen, all have a freedom of speech, and are free to say just about anything we want, without fear of repression from the government for having done so.
Now, if the private sector, such as newspapers, television, radio, and other media outlets decide not publish or broadcast someone's comments because of their views; I believe that would be a different matter.
But, controversy, and contraversial comments, even if by buffoons, draws attention, and it draws attention big. No business is in business to grow smaller. The only way to generate revenues as a media outlet, such as television or radio, is to sell your advertising space, and/or time. Thus, you put some contraversial buffoon on to give his/her version of things, and you sell lots of ad time, or space, at some exhorbitant rate, because so many people will be watching, or listening, when the buffoon is on.
A way to stop these buffoons? Stop buying their trash, and stop listening to them. Start listening to all sides of a story, and make up your own mind, for yourself. Don't let these buffoons lead you like sheep to the slaughter. | |
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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 1/24/2008 2:24:00 PM | Welcome to the Legacy of what having a military industrialized Prison complex as our leading source for growth industry statistics here in the united prison states of America.Think about it we incarcerate more of our countrymen and women then all the former Soviet satellite countries ,Russia,China and South Africa combined and that is a real statistic .You talk to any teenager and they'll tell you you that its a given ,there gonna have at some point some down time.We have two generations of kids who are latch keys and have spent there whole childhood in a training simulator being more desensitized with each and every pull of that trigger its no wonder that the FBI stats reveal that your average 16 year old can out shoot a Seasoned agent .
Ever wonder why we are last in the western nations for education and pay?When we used to be first.
Its because we were so smart we put a stop to the worlds most powerful war machine the world had ever known we the kids of the sixties put an end of the military industrial complex and they will never allow US to be that smart again and just to abuse us there locking up our children and grand children for revenge and that is why we have the Joint (PRISON) mentality on our playgrounds and on our streets and in our homes you all had better open your eyes to the real reality of what we have become and that is why SNITCHES ARE A DYING BREED | |
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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 1/24/2008 3:44:47 PM | Well my neighbor's remember them? They were totally fighting last night it was wonderful like a Jerry Springer Show and the man was asking me to call the police...Of course these are the people that called me a snitch for calling the landlord because the retards wouldn't move the damn bicycle from the frount of my door..I didn't call the police not because I'm scared because people that piss me off by talking out their ars are the ones that call the police on me because they are afraid I will take them apart, no I didn't call the police on these two idoits for one because it was very entertainning, and for two I was really hopeing they would kill each other.. Damn Drama Queens..  | |
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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 1/25/2008 1:15:32 AM |
Pretty cut and dried - do you want the good people or the bad people to have the power? No-one has yet been able to snitch on me when I haven't done anything wrong.
How does that make it cut and dried? You gonna snitch on some one for a joint? How about two? How about a bag?
Is that person as bad a murderer and deserves being snitched on if they mind their own business aside from that?
The real fact of the matter is the people who snitch are already dirty enough themselves and they're selling some one out so they don't get in trouble themselves. Why else would a guy like snoop get behind that if what I just said wasn't true? | |
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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 1/25/2008 12:03:02 PM | random entry~
snitching on someone for having drugs?
YOU BET! and if you were living in the same apartment building as me, and i happend to see people coming and going every ten minutes from your apartment... guess what! i'd snitch. I would call the cops and say that i suspected that you were dealing drugs out of that apartment, and that would give them all the probable cause they would need to check out the place. i have absolutely NO problem doing that at all!
the thing is, where you have drugs you attract a criminal element. what my personal feelings might be about smoking pot are irrelevent. what is relevent is that i should have the right to live somewhere with out a criminal element infringing upon my property, life, and safety. who wants to get thier car window smashed every other week? or have someone break into their garage? (both of which happened when a stupid punk two bit pot dealer moved into a building next door to mine last year. everyone started complaining to the police AND the landlord and the punk was eventually evicted).
snitching is cool!
lar | |
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| Start snitching, crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 1/25/2008 7:54:56 PM | Random Entry: How does that make it cut and dried? You gonna snitch on some one for a joint? How about two? How about a bag? It's clearly cut and dried; either you want law-abiding people with power, or you want lawbreakers with power. Either you foster a society where the lawful are strong, or you foster a 'society' where the lawless are strong. If the latter, then continue to use words like "snitch", "rat", etc. Make being lawful a negative. Order vs anarchy. Which crimes I report are irrelevant to the argument.
The real fact of the matter is the people who snitch are already dirty enough themselves and they're selling some one out so they don't get in trouble themselves. This is so misdirected and paranoid that it's laughable. Good one - lawbreakers wanting more police in their own neighbourhood*. Also, lawbreakers risking getting others ticked off so that they themselves get reported in return. Not a good medium- or long-term strategy.
Is that person as bad a murderer and deserves being snitched on if they mind their own business aside from that? No, and I'm not worried about someone smoking marijuana. However, one level up it's not about enjoying a joint, it's about territory and profit and it starts to get violent. This violence makes society more dangerous for the innocent law-abiding citizens. Anyone who ignores this is naive.
Why else would a guy like snoop get behind that if what I just said wasn't true? Mr S Dogg et al are stroking the bad-boy, rebel, criminal element to get popular; of course they'd be supporting "Don't Snitch". The more power that his criminal core fans have, the more power he has.
GE&H
* In war, this is known as calling an airstrike on your own position. Kind of a 'last resort' thing. Danger close. | |
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| Start snitching, crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 1/25/2008 9:09:22 PM | GWB and co. are going to love having a nation half full of snitches.... the other half in their prisons. Just like the KGB did in Russia...
Don't worry though, they will be asking you to look out for "terrorists" soon too. OOOOOOPS... they already have.
How about this warning from Chicago’s Bureau of Strategic Deployment which is involved with the Ministry of Homeland Security.
In Chicago, tourists consulting maps and those with cameras are now to be considered to be with al-Qaeda.
Chicago’s “Bureau of Strategic Deployment” has issued an “awareness bulletin” advising snitches to turn in people using binoculars, cameras, and maps to the Deployment Operation Center, apparently part and parcel of the Ministry of Homeland Security. “See Something, Say Something, Call 991,” posters demand of the citizenry.
You can see the poster at http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/201207_b_tourists.htm
Or See the poster on the City of Chicago’s website.
I saw another story about a photographer in London having his film taken from him because he "was acting suspiciously" by taking photographs. I no longer have the source for this... but try googling it.
Just another way to divide and conquer. | |
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| Start snitching, crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 1/25/2008 9:40:02 PM |
YOU BET! and if you were living in the same apartment building as me, and i happend to see people coming and going every ten minutes from your apartment... guess what! i'd snitch. I would call the cops and say that i suspected that you were dealing drugs out of that apartment, and that would give them all the probable cause they would need to check out the place. i have absolutely NO problem doing that at all!
the thing is, where you have drugs you attract a criminal element. what my personal feelings might be about smoking pot are irrelevent. what is relevent is that i should have the right to live somewhere with out a criminal element infringing upon my property, life, and safety.
Dealing is a lot different than the rest of what I mentioned. Punk behavior along with property damage is one thing but just a little quiet discrete usage? If you walked in my neighborhood you'd have a fulltime job just doing that. Snitching out recreational users. But you'd be safe.
Unless you're a known snitch.
This is so misdirected and paranoid that it's laughable. Good one - lawbreakers wanting more police in their own neighbourhood*. Also, lawbreakers risking getting others ticked off so that they themselves get reported in return. Not a good medium- or long-term strategy.
Oh really? Is it? I think you missed my point completely. How often do you see lawmakers arrested for petty stuff? The truth is -- Nearly 99% of people are guilty of something from speeding to minor drug use, in most cases never caught and never harming anyone else. How is selling this snitch attitude going to help?
It's not. It just promotes paranoia.
Let the cops WORK for their busts.
Furthmore it gives busy bodies some feeling their are doing something good and useful by chronically sticking their nose in other people's business.
It's nowhere near cut and dried as you think it is. | |
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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 1/25/2008 10:46:02 PM | One of the few things the prevents total anarchy is the continued involvement of all citizens in performing their duties. There are many societies in existence where each person administers his own justice and I doubt anyone here would rather live there. It is our civic duty to inform the authorities when a person contravenes our mutually accepted rules. Obviously everyone has broken laws during their lives however, our judicial system is generally forgiving and focused on corrective action, so minor infractions result in proportionally minor hardship to convicted perpetrators.
IMHO chronic offenders relentlessly and progressively degrade themselves and the community around them, in many ways, until either their behavior is modified or, as seems more prevalent, they are removed. The difficulty, expense, and suffering of both the criminal and his neighbors increase directly with the delay in reporting the infractions. While the innocent usually want to "...be good neighbors" and "avoid trouble," the outlaws regard others only in self-interest.
I say report the crime, it's your duty to support the rules by which we all decided to live. It benefits all of your neighbors and it could even save the life of the perpetrator you report. | |
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| Start snitching, crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 1/26/2008 6:03:23 AM | "Let the cops WORK for their busts."
Investigation, which is how cops "work" for thier busts, begins with Information. Since cops are not present when the vast majority of crimes are committed, please, do tell, how you propose cops are going to "work" for thier busts? | |
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| Start snitching, crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 1/26/2008 6:35:28 AM | | In many areas, the cops and other authorities are the criminals. Corruption is rampant in the US. Another interesting point is that the police have a similar code for themselves. They view themselves as above the law, and will typically not turn in another cop. | |
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| Start snitching, crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 1/26/2008 1:50:01 PM | I just finished working on a crime prevention model in one of the highest crime ridden neighbourhoods in Canada. Apathy towards crime centered on one or two reasons:
1) Residents did not see the police as being responsive
2) Residents did not want to suffer retaliation
The police did and do respond to all homicides, arsons, car thefts, house thefts but the residents did not see this as valid. Instead, they wanted to see the police preventing the crime from taking place. One of the hardest things in my job was to inspire people to see that crime prevention was based on how much 'stake' they had in their neighbourhood and that the more they 'owned' it, the less crime would take place. Residents in neighbourhoods that have high crime have higher tolerance of behaviour that lends to criminal activity. It becomes their 'norm'.
The fear of retaliation works in proportion to how much people feel powerless to act.
There are three partners in crime: criminals, residents and police. When the first one gets too powerful and isn't kept in check by the other two, neighbourhoods start the slow decline into 'no mans land'. | |
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| Start snitching, crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 1/27/2008 10:17:55 AM | Zom: In the US, the FBI is REQUIRED to investigate any, and all, allegations of misconduct on the part of public officials, including police officers. Most Police Departments also have Internal Affairs divisions, or officers.
Having been on the back side of a badge, I take searious issue with your views that ". . . cops . . . are the criminals", and (paraphrased) that Police Officers view themselves above the law, and will not turn in another cop.
Don't think the people doing the job as a Police Officer are up to your standards? Go apply for the job. Police agencies hold open testing nearly year round. Unfortunately, only about 3% of those who apply to become Police Officers ever become Police Officers. The biggest reason for 97% of applicants not becoming Police Officers? They fail the background investigation. | |
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