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 TimPommell

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How the Liberals plan to beat Bush in '08
Posted: 1/24/2008 9:35:06 AM
Yes, that's right, the Liberals are launching a multi-million dollar ad campaign to keep the focus during the election on President Bush.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080124/ap_on_el_pr/anti_bush_campaign;_ylt=AotLaNj_k.T_sad_N3QmbcRh24cA

WASHINGTON - A liberal advocacy group plans to spend $8.5 million in a drive to make sure President Bush's public approval doesn't improve as his days in the White House come to an end.

Americans United for Change plans to undertake a yearlong campaign, spending the bulk of the money on advertising, to keep public attention on what the group says are the failures of the Bush administration, including the war in Iraq, the response to Hurricane Katrina, and the current mortgage crisis.

In selling the plan to fundraisers, the group has argued that support for President Reagan was at a low of 42 percent in 1987 but climbed to 63 percent before he left office. "All of a sudden he became a rallying cry for conservatives and their ideology," said Brad Woodhouse, president of the group. "Progressives are still living with that."
The group is a nonprofit corporation that made a splash by airing ads against Bush's plans to overhaul Social Security in 2005. The group has conducted polls and focus groups and is now raising money for its anti-Bush effort. It gave a Power Point presentation to representatives of about 30 liberal and labor organizations last week.

It plans to announce the campaign at a press conference Thursday afternoon during a forum featuring liberal critics of the administration. It also aims to air its first ad in advance of Bush's State of the Union speech on Monday.

Woodhouse said one goal is to make sure Bush does not enjoy a resurgence in public approval toward the end of his presidency that could help Republican congressional candidates and the Republican presidential nominee in this year's elections.

"Framing his legacy helps us in the '08 elections, there is no doubt about that," Woodhouse said. "But our principal mission would be defining the failures of Bush and the ideology he represents."

Bush's approval ratings are at 34 percent, according to a poll this month by The Associated Press and Ipsos. Republican presidential candidates are hardly embracing Bush, except to support his policy in Iraq, and many are echoing calls from Democrats for change in Washington.

Looking to test Bush support within the GOP, Americans United is distributing "I am a Bush Republican" buttons to Republican members of Congress before the State of the Union address. Woodhouse also plans to unveil a bus that will travel the country carrying an exhibit that portrays Bush's tenure in office — mementos from Iraq and flood ravaged New Orleans as well as symbols of the economic downturn.

The Republican National Committee dismissed the effort. "Why would liberals want to spend good money re-fighting the battles they lost yesterday?" RNC spokesman Alex Conant said. "Those backward-looking tactics didn't work in 2000 and 2004, and they won't work now. The 2008 election will be about the future and which candidate is best able to lead during a time of war and economic challenge."

Bush's approval ratings have been at the same low levels for more than a year. And just when violence in Iraq began to decline, the troubled economy surged to the top of people's worries.

But an anti-Bush campaign, even one costing several million dollars, will likely be overshadowed by the presidential campaign. Most analysts expect hundreds of millions of dollars will be spent by the candidates and by outside groups this year.

Americans United is a 501(c)4 organization under Internal Revenue Service regulations. That means it can raise money in unlimited amounts and because its target is Bush, not a candidate for federal office, it is not governed by the Federal Election Commission.

Yes indeed, this truly is "progressive" ... campaigning against someone who isn't running in an effort to secure a win for their candidate. Absolutely boggles the mind how ANYONE can consider this as a positive effort to facilitate change in Washington.....

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 msquared

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Posted: 1/24/2008 10:09:08 AM

Yes indeed, this truly is "progressive" ... campaigning against someone who isn't running in an effort to secure a win for their candidate. Absolutely boggles the mind how ANYONE can consider this as a positive effort to facilitate change in Washington.....


You don't seem to mind that your party did the same thing eight years ago...
 TimPommell

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Posted: 1/24/2008 10:22:06 AM

You don't seem to mind that your party did the same thing eight years ago...
Really? I don't recall being on POF eight years ago.....

For the record, I am against ANY negative campaigning. There's more than enough negative in peoples minds about politicians as it is, there is no need to launch a multi-million dollar campaign to defeat anyone who isn't running. To me it simply points out the absurdity of US Politics at a time when EVERYONE is hoping for an end to the divisiveness. This is quite simply a power grab no matter what the cost.
 evnstevn

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How the Liberals plan to beat Bush in '08
Posted: 1/24/2008 10:30:12 AM
President Einstein didn't work all his magic alone. His party was four square behind his wonderful adventures. I hope he's draped around their necks for giving him the blank checks our grandkids have to pay off. Some Dems are equally guilty.

 msquared

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Posted: 1/24/2008 10:58:24 AM

For the record, I am against ANY negative campaigning.


If that is the case, protest against both parties, and not just the liberals.
 rsx11s

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Posted: 1/24/2008 12:25:21 PM
Keep in mind 911 was a very convenient distraction to take the American publics eyes off the fact the economy was tanking back then. People forgot this as they got wrapped up in the flag, believed the "1000 points of lies" the administration told to justify the invasions (not "wars" - wars are declared by boty sides) in the middle east.

In the 7 years since then administration staffers as a result of their disohonesty stand to make untold millions, more Americans have died in active service and 1.5 million Iraqi soldiers, women and children have been slaughtered; the middle east has been destabilized under the Bush administration more than under any US presidency, ever. And the US economy is now so bad it's believed it will cause a world-wide recession.

I'd say keeping an eye on Bush is prudent at this juncture.

A recession is when your neighbor loses his job. A depression is when you lose your job. Recovery is when Bush loses his job.
 Rustbane

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Posted: 1/24/2008 12:41:54 PM
Although i don't know that i support their tactics per se, I do under stand the thought process behind groups trying to ensure that Bush is remembered as he was and not as he imagines. Reagan was terrible, and yet now many revere him as the greatest president weve had. The people behind this public opinion plan are attempting to prevent a repeat of the past. I dont think it is designed to help democrats or hurt republicans as much as it is designed to remind us of the truth about how terrible Bush has been for this country, and the world. I dearly hope that no one ever forgets the blunders of the worst president of all time. And apparently those in charge of the ads agree with me.
 grog27

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Posted: 1/24/2008 5:48:23 PM
" ' You don't seem to mind that your party did the same thing eight years ago...'

'Really? I don't recall being on POF eight years ago.....' "


What does your being on POF 8 years ago have to do with anything? Oh! Wait! I get it! It's yet another example of the typical tactic of misdirection whenever one gets caught with their pants down.



Really though; To act all huffy about this when the Republicans have pretty well made this sort of garbage their stock in trade for at least the last two elections is the height of hypocrisy.

By the way, I didn't even realize that Bush and his cronies were planning to run in Canada. I mean, why else would the Liberals be planning any sort of campaign against him?

Even more puzzling: When was it announced that Bush is running for a THIRD term in '08?

All in all, a VERY strange thread!!
 whenyer_strange

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Posted: 1/24/2008 8:21:30 PM

By the way, I didn't even realize that Bush and his cronies were planning to run in Canada. I mean, why else would the Liberals be planning any sort of campaign against him?
Oh, yeah....sorry you guys didn't get the memo. We're shipping Bush off to Canada as soon as we're done with him.

ENJOY!!!
 DouglasInMotown

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Posted: 1/24/2008 9:15:30 PM
Too bad the Liberals will end up with Democrats if this tactic succeeds.
 whenyer_strange

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Posted: 1/24/2008 9:16:34 PM

He'd be cavity searched at the border with a pair of ice tongs.
Exactly!!! I plan on bringing a few lawn chairs, some brats, and a case of beer for the show.

***passing sentinal a beer****
 grog27

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Posted: 1/24/2008 9:19:30 PM
"Too bad the Liberals will end up with Democrats if this tactic succeeds."

??!? Translation, please?!?
 TimPommell

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Posted: 1/25/2008 5:46:39 AM
If that is the case, protest against both parties, and not just the liberals.
Duh.... isn't that what the emphasis on the word ANY does?
 msquared

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Posted: 1/25/2008 8:13:36 AM

Duh.... isn't that what the emphasis on the word ANY does?


Let's see, liberals, and only liberals (nevermind the fact that liberals isn't a political party) mentioned in subject title. In the original post, only liberals are mentioned. Not the slightest hint of how the Republicans are also responsible of doing this.
 Account Deleted

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Posted: 1/25/2008 8:31:14 AM
If I were American and could vote - I would vote for this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ol76rMDl8w

At least I'd tend to trust him!!! lol
Well?! With a history of voting in actors, criminals and those with sleep apnia = I see no reason to discriminate against a candidate who is Just as Qualified as the rest.

It's a joke.
 TimPommell

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Posted: 1/25/2008 8:59:16 AM

Let's see, liberals, and only liberals (nevermind the fact that liberals isn't a political party) mentioned in subject title. In the original post, only liberals are mentioned. Not the slightest hint of how the Republicans are also responsible of doing this.
Did you not read the article? I didn't write it, so don't blame me for the classification.... Since not all Democrats are Liberals, it would be idiotic for anyone to interpret it as anything other than what it is, a Liberal movement. If you know of an article that details a similar plan by Conservatives, feel free to start another thread and I'll participate in it.
When it comes to Washington Politicians, there are several constants...
1.) They all lie
2.) They all line their pockets at the expense of the welfare of their constituents
3.) They put their own selfish interests ahead of the electorate


The intent of the thread is to solicit comments from people who are disgruntled as a whole about the lack of positive direction of politicians, if you find the current total lack of direction to be in keeping with what you feel is the most effective means of campaigning and governing, then say so and stop whining about it not mentioning conservatives.
 jetpowered unicycle

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Posted: 1/25/2008 11:36:10 AM
the intent of this thread is to solicit comments from people who are disgruntled as a whole...etc.....stop whining about conservatives

I am disgruntled about politicians as a whole I am finally seeing the 'bad" Clintons'
but I have to agree with another pooster why is Bush and liberal in the thread title?
Bush is done for his term and so is the Republican party such as it is now.

I agree with other posters this is thinly veiled shot at ooposing (democratic ,liberal) views . I especially enjoy not all democats are libruls but all libruls are democrats.
How about "How Cheney shoots GOP in face" or ''Dubya determined to defeat democRATS"As Goopers say you lost get over it"

Liberal group doesn't need to advertise Bush's failures.He does that every time he talks to any media.
 TimPommell

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Posted: 1/25/2008 12:03:33 PM
I am disgruntled about politicians as a whole I am finally seeing the 'bad" Clintons' but I have to agree with another pooster why is Bush and liberal in the thread title? Bush is done for his term and so is the Republican party such as it is now.
Because that's what the article is about... If I called it anything other than what it is, I'd get crap for being misleading. This is a political forum, the topics are SUPPOSED to be controversial...

I agree with other posters this is thinly veiled shot at ooposing (democratic ,liberal) views . I especially enjoy not all democats are libruls but all libruls are democrats.
What veil? There are liberals in both parties, and I didn't presume to identify this particular group of liberals with either party (although I have made my own assumption given their endorsements).

How about "How Cheney shoots GOP in face" or ''Dubya determined to defeat democRATS"As Goopers say you lost get over it"
That's not what the article in the OP is about, but if you do a thread search, I'm sure you can find a thread with either topic....

Liberal group doesn't need to advertise Bush's failures.He does that every time he talks to any media.
Precisely my point... If I want to know Bush's failings, I'm capable of looking them up on my own, just as I am with Clinton's....
To me, the effort is nothing more than sanctioned smear tactics designed to portray one party as evil, and by it's own admission, it's specific intent is to launch an ad campaign designed to keep Bush's approval ratings low ... people are not that naive, they'll see through it and it will cost them the moderate vote. If you don't believe me, just ask the DNC how effective their anti-Lieberman campaign was....
 msquared

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Posted: 1/25/2008 1:15:54 PM

The intent of the thread is to solicit comments from people who are disgruntled as a whole about the lack of positive direction of politicians


We all know what you intended with the thread. If you didn't want to be called out about it, you shouldn't have posted it to begin with.
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 1/25/2008 2:08:05 PM
Well, I do think that placing personal accountability on Bush and the Republicans might assist in an election cycle. After all , they have had two terms to run the country, and it's in much worse shape than when they started running it.

Ever see Bush's popularity ratings charted, from day one ? It's an eye opener....

http://www.germane-software.com/~ser/BushMeter/

Essentially, with a temporary few spikes, it's been a downhill slide all the way. I think they are considering that chart as the basis for the Grand Slalom course at the next Winter Olympics.

If we add an economic downturn to the calculation, those numbers could still get much worse - there is still time for new lows.
 DouglasInMotown

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Posted: 1/25/2008 3:38:18 PM

Montreal_Guy
Ever see Bush's popularity ratings charted, from day one ? It's an eye opener....
http://www.germane-software.com/~ser/BushMeter/

Hmmm ... absent 9/11 and "Mission Accomplished", he might have a negative popularity rating today.
 lostincali

Joined: 1/20/2008
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Posted: 1/25/2008 7:41:51 PM
Uh...Pres.Bush is leaving in 1/09 so it won't take much to beat him.
 designingwoman

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How the Liberals plan to beat Bush in '08
Posted: 1/25/2008 8:09:10 PM
It will be good riddance when Bushboy finally leaves office. I am sick of that dirtbag
 horneschwoggle

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Posted: 1/25/2008 8:26:44 PM
After reading OP's post, tells me that this liberal advocacy group has no confidence in the Democratic party (has to be the motive or why do it in the first place?) and fears that Republicans will regain ground; based on their findings on higher approval ratings when Reagon left office? WTF?
...and should be an insult to people's intelligence that they have to be told (again) the short falls of the Bush Administration.
Yeah, go spend that 8.5 million. Talk about wasting money and time.
Oh, I find it fascinating in the article, that the group blames Bush for the mortgage crisis. Explain that one to me.
 Talismann

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Posted: 1/25/2008 10:03:02 PM
Well, Bush beat them in '07. The entire year was a win for Bush and still 'till date. The way both Clintons have been behaving, particularly, Bubba, one would think they are working for Bush.
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