| Claim of alien cells in rain may fit historical accounts: study
Posted: 1/24/2008 4:49:16 PM | Claim of alien cells in rain may fit historical accounts: study
I’ve been following this story for a long time, it’s not just strange but WEIRD, and it appears to have a growing army of supporters for the original belief that this red rain IS extraterrestrial, ancestral blood… it’s worth reading this report and acknowledging the well grounded source from whence it came...
Jan. 22, 2008
Special to World Science
A controversial theory, that strange red rains in India six years ago might have contained microbes from outer space, hasn’t died.
In fact, things might be getting even weirder.
A new study suggests the claimed connection between scarlet rain and tiny celestial visitors may be consistent with historical accounts linking colour rain to meteor passings. These would seem to echo the India case, in which organisms are proposed to have fallen out of a breaking meteor. “Some of these [past] accounts may have been exaggerated,” cautioned the new study’s author in reporting his findings, adding that considerable problems also dog the alien-cell proposal.
Yet the historical analysis, he concluded, shows the question is “much more complex than one might have expected” and “should be investigated with every scientific resource” available.
The study, by doctoral student Patrick McCafferty of Queen’s University Belfast, is published in the advance online edition of the International Journal of Astrobiology.
McCafferty analyzed, as he wrote, “80 accounts of red rain, another 20 references to lakes and rivers turning blood-red, and 68 examples of other phenomena such as coloured rain, black rain, milk, bricks, or honey falling from the sky.”
Sixty of these events, or 36 percent, “were linked to meteoritic or cometary activity,” he went on. But not always strongly. Sometimes, “the fall of red rain seems to have occurred after an airburst,” as from a meteor exploding in air; other times the odd rainfall “is merely recorded in the same year as a stone-fall or the appearance of a comet.”
The phenomena were recorded in times and places as varied as Classical Rome, medieval Ireland, Norman Britain and 19th century California, noted McCafferty, who has a master’s degree in archaeology and studies Irish myth and astronomy. McCafferty added that tales suggestive of red rain-meteor links also crop up in myth.
With witnesses to past events all long dead, McCafferty wrote that probably no historical analysis will ever settle the debate over the 2001 rainfalls in India.
Research claiming to connect these rains to extraterrestrial life provoked disbelief when they were first reported widely, in World Science. “I really, really don’t think they are from a meteor!” wrote Harvard University biologist Jack Szostak, referring to cell-like particles that had been reported to permeate the collected rainwater.
The curious events began on July 25, 2001, when residents of Kerala, a region in southwestern India, started seeing scarlet rain in some areas. It persisted on-and-off for some weeks, even two months. Scientists couldn’t identify the cell-like specks that gave the water its scarlet hue. Speculation of possible extraterrestrial origins began.
Two Indian scientists later published a chemical and biological analysis suggesting, they said, that the specks might indeed be little aliens. They “have much similarity with biological cells” but without DNA, wrote the researchers, Godfrey Louis and A. Santhosh Kumar of India’s Mahatma Gandhi University. “Are these cell-like particles a kind of alternate life from space?”
They cited newspaper reports that a meteor broke up in the atmosphere hours before the red rain. Louis and Kumar’s research paper appeared in the April 4, 2006 online edition of the research journal Astrophysics and Space Science. In previous, unpublished papers, the pair also claimed the particles could reproduce in extreme heat.
Some researchers, including Chandra Wickramasinghe, director of the Centre for Astrobiology at Cardiff University, U.K., have said that Louis and Kumar’s idea may well be correct. He and other supporters pointed to the consistency of the alien-cell hypothesis with the popular “panspermia” theory, which holds that meteors and comets might have seeded life throughout many planets.
But other scientists have cited problems with the theory, including a lack of clear evidence for any meteor, and the knotty question of how micro-aliens might have stayed aloft for months after bursting out of a meteor.
“Without conclusive evidence such as meteoritic dust mixed with red rain, it is difficult to say anything specific about Kerala’s red rain,” McCafferty wrote. But in history, he added, “there appears to be a strong link between some reported events [like it] and meteoritic activity. The reported airburst just before the fall of red rain in Kerala fits a familiar pattern, and cannot be dismissed so easily as an unrelated coincidence.”
http://www.world-science.net/exclusives/080122_red-rain.htm
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| Claim of alien cells in rain may fit historical accounts: study
Posted: 1/25/2008 4:28:53 AM | Oh c’mon you science buffs among us! (of which I am not)… This is a real-life mystery… imagine, for a moment, winning the Nobel Prize here! Lol
Let me break it down for you…
April 4th, 2006 a journal Astrophysics and Space Science had a report called “The Red Rain Phenomenon of Kerala and Its Possible Extraterrestrial Origin.”
For those not familiar with the place Karala is situated at the southern west tip of India, close to or on the Malabar Coast.
During September 2001, red-coloured rains fell over the Kerala area…
People said they heard a loud boom. Then red rain fell and stained white T-shirts. Residents wondered what was happening?
“News of the red rain mystery reached Dr. Godfrey Louis, a Professor of Pure and Applied Physics at Mahatma Gandhi University. He collected many test tubes full of the red-colored rain water and put some of the odd liquid under a microscope.”
To get the rest of this gist go here: http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1337&category=Environment
read this and come back with your theories…
Are we talking Alien Blood or something else?...
I think this compliments the “Starseed awareness, what do you know of your spirit?” thread well. :) | |
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| Claim of alien cells in rain may fit historical accounts: study
Posted: 1/25/2008 5:52:32 AM | Where's Frogo when we need him? I betcha he could come up with a rational explanation....
As I am so very out of my league, I will take no offense if anyone should like to laugh their collective butts off at my expense....
But couldn't this red stuff be stuff that was evaporated up in the normal course of things? Flakes of matter that dessicated then plumped out when rehydrated? I don't know.
"Cells without DNA".??? Is such a thing possible? That is strange. Where are the scientists??? I'd like an explanation too.
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| Claim of alien cells in rain may fit historical accounts: study
Posted: 1/25/2008 8:40:53 AM |
new study suggests the claimed connection between scarlet rain and tiny celestial visitors may be consistent with historical accounts linking colour rain to meteor passings.
As an archaeologist, I can tell you that making ANY form of conection between a historical acount and any form of known phenomena is very dificult. At best this idea is speculation and can never be anything other than that.
McCafferty analyzed, as he wrote, “80 accounts of red rain, another 20 references to lakes and rivers turning blood-red, and 68 examples of other phenomena such as coloured rain, black rain, milk, bricks, or honey falling from the sky.”
He is making the mistake of linking these difrent events. We already know that there are two common coauses for water bodies changing colour and rain is not one of them. The first is weather conditions causing freak algae blooms. The other is disturbance of sediment upstream causing clouding of the water. Rain can not cause water bodies to change coulor directly because over 99% of the water that enters into a river or lake has been filtered through the water table, meaning that less than 1% of the rainfall is direct on to the water bodie itself. This would equate to puting a single drop of food colouring, in a bathtub, there would be no noticble change.
Aditionaly he is atributing large object rainfalls and coloured rainfalls to the same source when there is no evidence to suport this. Large object rainfalls are most likely to be the result of thermal upwellings (such as tornados or huricanes) drawing material up into the higher regions of the atmosphere and caring them along untill the upwelling is no longer suficient to support thier weight. This alows for the selective droping of certain materials in one place, for example an entire pond could be sucked up, but because the frogs are heavier than the other things in the pond, they will be droped first, then the upwelling moves along before it begins to drop other things, causeing a rain of frogs and nothing else.
other times the odd rainfall “is merely recorded in the same year as a stone-fall or the appearance of a comet
This just goes to show that there is no link as it is well within the law of averages. you could just as likely say that shark atacks are linked to meteriors as around a third of them ocour in years that meteors strike!
I really, really don’t think they are from a meteor!” wrote Harvard University biologist Jack Szostak
Infact he went on to say that he belived they were simply terestrial algae that were living in the atmosphere. There are single celled organisms living in the air at every level of the atmosphere, right up to the edge of space. It is entirely posible that a bloom of some of these organisms, combined with a downwelling of high altitude of currents such as the jetstream, caused a bloom of algae to rain down on the days in question.
Terestrial orogins for the cells are far more likley that extraterestrial orogins.
They cited newspaper reports that a meteor broke up in the atmosphere hours before the red rain.
It is also possible that the meteor burst was the spark that caused enough air turbulance to draw down organisms that were living in the high atmosphere.
and the knotty question of how micro-aliens might have stayed aloft for months after bursting out of a meteor.
Well thats simple enough. Once up past the cloudlayer, microsopic particles are cappable of staying aloft in the air currents for years, or even decades. The gulf streams are capable of carying microscopic particles for many years because they rarely come lower than the cloud layer and have winds higher than any storm or huricane we know of here on earth.
Are we talking Alien Blood or something else?...
Most certainly not alien blood. If extraterestrial at all (doubtfull) then it would be alien microrganisms... so alien slime rather than alien blood.
couldn't this red stuff be stuff that was evaporated up in the normal course of things? Flakes of matter that dessicated then plumped out when rehydrated?
Entirely posible, not very probable but still posible and we all know that just because something is not very likely dose not mean it will not happen.
There have been many reports of strange rainfalls and coloured rains. These can mostly be explained by natural means.
For example during the previous Iraq war, there were black snowfalls. This was caused by the burning of Oil as smokescreans. Not all of the oil burned completely but was still caried up with the hot smoke, where it cooled and formed oil filled ice crystalls and fell as black snow.
In Britain a few years ago there was pink rain, cause by dust that had been blown up from the Sahara desert six months previous.
Once things get up past the cloud layer, they can stay in the atmosphere for years, even centuries. There are bacteria and algae found throughout all layers of the atmosphere and they are even capable of reproducing up there, right on the edge of space.
"Cells without DNA".??? Is such a thing possible?
Cells without DNA are possible. DNA is the mechanism in the cell that codes for reproduction of the cell, but it is not essential to the cell for existance.
Cells without DNA can Replicate, but can not reproduce. The difrence is that without DNA they are just creating exact copies of themselves with no varience and so no adaptability.
At present, we do not know of any confirmed reports of cells without DNA, but they are theoretically possible, so if these scientist at MGU have found Cells without DNA it is a remarkable find... but I doubt if they have to be honest. | |
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Posted: 1/25/2008 9:56:47 AM |
skypoetone wrote:
Oh c’mon you science buffs among us! (of which I am not)…
Well, how about a Christian tackling it? Alternative scientific explanation: The rain was coloured by airborne spores from a locally prolific terrestrial alga, identified as a species belonging to the genus Trentepohlia by the Tropical Botanic Garden and Research Institute, as reported by the Centre for Earth Science Studies, India—with isotropic ratios of nitrogen and carbon further supporting terrestrial origin. | |
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Posted: 1/25/2008 11:37:34 AM | Bright1Raziel
At present, we do not know of any confirmed reports of cells without DNA, but they are theoretically possible, so if these scientist at MGU have found Cells without DNA it is a remarkable find... but I doubt if they have to be honest.
Thanks for you expertise… very much appreciated! :)
And…
Ryft
Alternative scientific explanation: The rain was coloured by airborne spores from a locally prolific terrestrial alga, identified as a species belonging to the genus Trentepohlia by the Tropical Botanic Garden and Research Institute, as reported by the Centre for Earth Science Studies, India—with isotropic ratios of nitrogen and carbon further supporting terrestrial origin.
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Good theories both, but inconclusive - no resolution to date.
Further tests on the particles were carried out at Sheffield University by Milton Wainwright, who has studied stratospheric spores.[1][15] In March 2006 he said the particles were similar in appearance to spores of a rust fungus…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_rain_in_Kerala
Regardless to what this could be I will always believe that Life did not start here on earth.
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Posted: 1/25/2008 3:33:43 PM | Interesting thread. There might be an even simpler explaination though...
Top soil. Not the larger grains of soil itself, but the fine dust kicked up into the atmosphere and rained 'through'. Watched a documentary a few years ago now where a women declared that she'd discovered nanobes, micro-organisms so small that they were smaller than most cellular organelles. Another scientist challenging her discovery displayed a picture of a silica crystal growing, which oddly enough, looked a lot like an empty cell growing. Mind you, I don't think he discreditted her in any way, but it's interesting.
Could these cells with no DNA just be red silica crystals? It's not inconceivable. We get clouds of that stuff around here in Australia. It'd be easier to render judgement if we knew how large the cells were and what they contained with the exception of DNA. I know you're not doing it deliberately Skypoetone, but it almost sounds like your source is being intentionally vague. | |
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Posted: 1/25/2008 4:06:44 PM | Just to throw this out but if these particles did indeed come from a passing asteroid, most of which are TINY, how would they survive the heat of entering the atmosphere?
I'll also add that spores are the only thing that can survive in a vacume, that we know of..... | |
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Posted: 1/25/2008 4:49:47 PM | Humanespresso
You are welcome – my apologies if information seems vague but I can only go on what I have… please feel free to unearth more details. :)
Crash1967
Just to throw this out but if these particles did indeed come from a passing asteroid, most of which are TINY, how would they survive the heat of entering the atmosphere?
Perhaps the same way liquid does, by dehydrating and rehydrating? | |
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Posted: 1/25/2008 7:01:53 PM |
skypoetone wrote:
Good theories both, but inconclusive - no resolution to date.
Inconclusive? The Centre for Earth Science Studies (CESS) conducted a number of tests which were conclusive. Three separate tests proved—conclusively—that the material was not of meteoric origin, nor did its composition correspond to that of volcanic or desert dust. The results of these tests and the scientific details about how they conducted them were included in their official paper (q.v. Ion Coupled Plasma Mass Spectrometry, Atomic Absorption Spectrometry, and wet chemical methods).
Since, under the microscope, "fungal and algal spores, along with a few protozoans and other debris were observed," the samples were sent to the Tropical Botanic Garden and Research Institute (TBGRI) for microbiological studies. These careful studies conclusively identified it as "a lichen-forming alga" belonging "to the genus Trentepohlia." The scientific process by which they identified it as spores and the genus to which it belonged was likewise detailed in that same paper, which also explained the 'red' colour of the rain (q.v. "due to the presence of orange red haematochrome . . . the food reserve which accumulates in the cells.") They grew the spores (which actually grew, as spores will do) and positively identified the species belonging to the genus Trentepohlia.
In addition to these scientific tests, they revisited the site 22 days later and observed "that almost all the trees, rocks and even lamp posts in the region were full of lichens. Samples were collected from the area and brought to the laboratory for detailed studies . . . [and confirmed its identity] as Trentepohlia with orange-red pigment, haematochromes, inside the cells." They were subjected to the same tests and carefully observed after five days. "Branched filamentous thallus of Trentepohlia was seen in the cultures."
http://www.geocities.com/iamgoddard/Sampath2001.pdf
It was algal spores of local origin. One may disagree, of course, but the fundamental question would be, "On what basis?" As the Wikipedia article indicated, "The controversial research of Godfrey et al. is the only evidence suggesting that these organisms are of extraterrestrial origin," which is a very weak suggestion given not only the lack of scientific evidence to support the suggestion but, more importantly, the scientific evidence of the CESS invalidating it. As Milton Wainwright noted, "There appears to be an increasing tendency among scientists to come up with wild explanations when asked by the press to comment on unusual, novel phenomena. A good example is provided by comments about the recent Indian red rain phenomenon" ("Red rain fantasies." New Scientist. 01 Apr 2006).
skypoetone wrote:
Regardless to what this could be I will always believe that Life did not start here on earth.
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Posted: 1/25/2008 11:04:49 PM | | Panspermia is a very interesting idea but in my view it isn't widely held by the majority of astrobiologists. I know Fred Hoyle and this other fellow, who are extremely bright Astronomers, have their reasons for holding this idea, and I think it is worth considering. Meteorites have been known to hold organic compounds for some time, but to my knowledge no meteorite has been known to contain living organisms. It is a bit hard to see how organisms could evolve in the harsh environment of space, which is unprotected from radiation and cosmic rays (energetic subatomic particles accelerated to near light speed by interstellar magnetic fields). But the early Earth was also a harsh place, yet life sprang up fast, so perhaps in a suitable and sheltered environment in space the evolution of life from lifeless pre-cursor organic molecules is possible. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2008 12:17:31 AM |
Just to throw this out but if these particles did indeed come from a passing asteroid, most of which are TINY, how would they survive the heat of entering the atmosphere?
Perhaps the asteroid would enter the atmosphere as well, protecting them? | |
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Posted: 1/26/2008 12:27:18 AM |
Perhaps the asteroid would enter the atmosphere as well, protecting them?
I think the point here is that an object such as an asteriod entering the atmosphere generates tremendous amounts of heat, which would then permeate the object, essentially destroying all biological agents.
I myself have always wondered how anything could actually survive an asteroid impact. The heat issue really doesn't sit well with panspermia in my mind. Most meteoric bodies basically vaporise upon impact, or shatter violently leaving a sizeable crater indicating the amount of energy and speed these things must be going at. I really have my doubts. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2008 5:32:26 AM | Crash1967
yes but your talking molecules to cells. Cell walls break down with the loss of fluid where molecules such as H2O are just rearrainged.
In our comprehension of what is known I know this is right BUT that negates anything yet likely to be understood and this is what I find so very fascinating... on one hand science thinks it has an explanation... on the other hand we cannot be satisfied with probabilities…
Ryft
Inconclusive? The Centre for Earth Science Studies (CESS) conducted a number of tests which were conclusive. Three separate tests proved—conclusively—that the material was not of meteoric origin, nor did its composition correspond to that of volcanic or desert dust. The results of these tests and the scientific details about how they conducted them were included in their official paper (q.v. Ion Coupled Plasma Mass Spectrometry, Atomic Absorption Spectrometry, and wet chemical methods).
Impressive as this and the following “conclusions” give they do not answer the whole question…
“Some researchers, including Chandra Wickramasinghe, director of the Centre for Astrobiology at Cardiff University, U.K., have said that Louis and Kumar’s idea may well be correct. He and other supporters pointed to the consistency of the alien-cell hypothesis with the popular “panspermia” theory, which holds that meteors and comets might have seeded life throughout many planets.”
Your faith is unquestionably passionate.
Thank you… again I appreciate your comments :)
Greg8001
It is a bit hard to see how organisms could evolve in the harsh environment of space, which is unprotected from radiation and cosmic rays (energetic subatomic particles accelerated to near light speed by interstellar magnetic fields). But the early Earth was also a harsh place, yet life sprang up fast, so perhaps in a suitable and sheltered environment in space the evolution of life from lifeless pre-cursor organic molecules is possible.
This is the paradox isn’t it… how contradictory elements can amass? The positives and negatives of life are everywhere - not just here on earth, but it would seem… also in everything unknown too. :)
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Posted: 1/26/2008 1:07:16 PM | | I once had a well from which the water would turn red in colour after it was exposed to air and became warm. It was described by a water analyst as bacterial iron. Meteors are often of nickel/iron composition and sometimes fall in so called "meteorite showers". It's possible that an iron meteorite shower followed by a rain shower might have caused the seemingly organic red rain. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2008 2:41:54 PM |
“Some researchers, including Chandra Wickramasinghe, director of the Centre for Astrobiology at Cardiff University, U.K., have said that Louis and Kumar’s idea may well be correct. He and other supporters pointed to the consistency of the alien-cell hypothesis with the popular “panspermia” theory, which holds that meteors and comets might have seeded life throughout many planets.”
...which is fairly meaningless. All this is saying is that one unsupported hypothesis agrees with another unsupported hypothesis. They're both still lacking any actual evidence in their favor, and are faced with contradictory evidence which points to Earthly origins. Circulum in demonstrando. | |
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Posted: 1/27/2008 8:40:21 AM |
an asteriod entering the atmosphere generates tremendous amounts of heat, which would then permeate the object, essentially destroying all biological agents.
Actually this is not entirelly true, the heat dose not permeat throughout the entire structure. You see the outer surface melts and then sloughs off and in doing so it cools the metor, just as water evaporating of the skin cools you on a hot day.
This is the reason that metors of a certain size can fall and still have thier internal structure intact.
I myself have always wondered how anything could actually survive an asteroid impact
Asteroid impacts are not always catastrophic. It depends on the size of the metor, smaller meteors slow down suficiently that they can even hit people and leave them unharmed (as happened in france in the 80's). A meteor the size of your fist would bounce of a car bonet, and a meteor the size of your thumb nail would bounce of a window pane.
Most meteoric bodies basically vaporise upon impact
Only large one do this, once a metor entors the atmosphere it begins to slow downm, after a certain point the metor has slowed sufficently that it is travelling no faster than a rock of the same size that has been droped by hand. Only an extreamly large metor has enough kinetic force to punch right through the atmosphere and reach the ground without slowing to natural velocity.
shatter violently leaving a sizeable crater indicating the amount of energy and speed these things must be going at
The majority of metors are tiny things, no bigger than your fist. Finding anything larger than that is extreamly rare. There are several metor falls every week, but most go unoticed because they do not have the kinetic energy to create a crator and so do not really get noticed.
Around 99% (estimated figures) are tiny and break up in reentry. Around 0.99% are small and do not have enough kinetic energy to punch through the atmosphere, landing at the same speed as a rock droped from a building. Around 0.01% are large enough to actually hit with enough force to leave a mark, but of these around 99% are too small to leave a sizeable crator that can be easilly noticed.
Almost all of the metors that hit the earth evaporate because they are tiny, but a few are large enough to land. Of these few almost all will survive the impact and if there were any bacteria living inside the rock then the bacteria could potentially survive as well, because the rock has been cooled by the sloughing off of the molten material, and the impact has been to soft to cause any heat. | |
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Posted: 1/27/2008 11:00:07 AM | I think the lack of supporting evidence for this being an instance of panspermia has been demonstrated. That said, one should be able to suspend disbelief in panspermia if one can accept terrestrial abiogenesis. IOW, if one can accept that molecules that self-replicate can fall into a drop of protective oil (lipid bi-layer cell membrane) and survive, by repeating the attempt billions of times, to become stable life, then one can imagine yet-to-be-discovered mechanisms for organic molecules to remain viable in transit from one source in space to another, like in the depths of a meteor. Maybe not molecules that code for self-replication, but some organics.
I wouldn't be surprised if it were possible that organic molecules, like porphyrins or sugars (like ribose, the R in RNA) can travel in space. It's just that, if it can happen out there and get here, it could only happen more easily here.
I took your allusion to 'blood of our ancestors' as metaphoric, not as a reference to the colour of the rain. I think red rain is most likely explained by the fact that rain scours the atmosphere. If organic material was incorporated into abiogenesis on earth, that would mean we indeed are products of the galaxy. But those who think life started on earth think that already, as earth is a product of nature.
Still it is good to seek evidence of non-terrestrial life, since it would probably cause a paradigm shift if we earthlings realized we are all way more related than different. Maybe we'd get together like Bill Pullman got us to in Independence Day. | |
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Posted: 1/27/2008 11:04:41 AM |
skypoetone wrote:
"Some researchers, including Chandra Wickramasinghe, director of the Centre for Astrobiology at Cardiff University, U.K., have said that Louis and Kumar’s idea may well be correct. He and other supporters pointed to the consistency of the alien-cell hypothesis with the popular 'panspermia' theory, which holds that meteors and comets might have seeded life throughout many planets."
As FrogO_Oeyes already indicated, this is not scientifically relevant to the Kerala case. Furthermore, it means nothing more than that the alien-cell hypothesis of panspermia advocates Louis and Kumar is consistent with the origins theory of panspermia advocate Wickramasinghe. It's good that the metaphysical speculations of three panspermia advocates are consistent with one another. Having said that, whatever evidence panspermia theories might enjoy, if any, none of it is garnered from the Kerala case. The scientific conclusions of the CESS and TBGRI may not answer "the whole question" on the issue of panspermia, but they do answer "the whole question" of the Kerala case. This particular case neither refutes panspermia theories on the whole nor does it contributes any support thereto; i.e. it is not scientifically relevant because neither meteors nor comets were involved. | |
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Posted: 1/28/2008 10:36:32 PM | Interestingly enough, this is also part of a Native American prophecy.
When the sky turns to blood, it is too late to turn back and prevent
the coming disaster which will purify the earth of all it's pig-like
consumers and merchants.
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/redskies.html
It is a long read but the prophecy is marked "The Third Sign" on that
page, and close to the bottom of the page.
It may be worthy to note that, the prophecy was extracted from Nexus
Magazine, Volume 7, Number 1 (December 1999 - January 2000). before the red rains of
India July 25, 2001. Though red rains have been recorded prior, in history. I am not
certain of the validity of the prophecy, however it mentions that at night, the stars shining
red, due to the red sky. This reminds me of the very old
biblical prophecy "The moon will turn to blood" - Joel 2:31
But that could also mean a lunar eclipse.
A lunar eclipse occurs when the earth's shadow passes over the moon,
the moon then has a red appearance.
http://astro.swarthmore.edu/~cohen/public.html
If whatever accumulated in the rain cloud and came down from the sky with the
rains of India, could possibly change in balance like the plankton algae of
the sea turns the sea red when it has a population explosion, could the same
happen with the sky, turning it red?
Plankton sea algae is not quite a plant, it is a single cell organism
http://library.thinkquest.org/J002608/sea_algae.html
The red stuff in the Indian sky/rains, is also single cell organisms,
once more, poster name "Ryft" says there are some sources claiming it has been
identified and is a form of algae. If so, can this algae in the sky multiply as in the sea,
turning the sky red? Or much more of it appear from where ever the source?
I need note that it is also said, scientists have never seen this life form before.
Of course, it's hard to know whom to believe these days. If it was thought to prevent a
wide spread panic, they could say anything. Originally this was going to be the tail
end of a post on the thread called "Nuclear War 12,000 Years Ago" regarding Mysterious
India in general and linking to this thread. But it's getting long, thus here belong.
Also the Phenomena is not confined to India alone, but has been recorded in other places
such as Rome, Ireland, California, etc, as posted by Skypoetone. So I'll post here in
greater detail, my thoughts on it. But will still link from there to here, due to it's
India and possible meteor relation.
I am reminded of expeditions to the South Pole
And the mysterious red pollen covering the ice.
The pollen grain is at first a single cell but if transferred to the stigma of a flower of
its own kind, it begins to grow : Biology for Beginners By Truman Jesse Moon...
http://books.google.com/books?id=2Y0fAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA114&lpg=PA114&dq=single+cell+pollen&source=web&ots=IYBH3IyOmB&sig=8-fGCRNiIRX6R554ZM9uyz8xIxs
Mysterious Red Pollen at the south Pole, Excerpt:
Arctic explorers also found massive red, yellow and green pollen from unknown tropical
plants covering the snow massively. This cannot be from volcanic action, but from a
large land mass with tropical plants.
(One Arctic Explorer) Kane, in his first volume, p.44, says: 'We passed the Crimson
Cliffs at Sir John Ross in the forenoon of August 5th. The patches of red snow could be
seen clearly at the distance of ten miles from the coast. It had a fine deep rose hue.'
(p.111 Bernard quoting Reed, who quotes Kane): http://wethepeople.tripod.com/Byrd.htm
Skypoetone also quotes McCafferty as stating there were 68 examples of other phenomena
such as coloured rain, not necessarily red. And since the strange pollen seen near the
pole was not only red, but sometimes green or yellow, it makes one wonder.
There are accounts of a former Prince whom spoke of purple rain,
but these others are documented facts and can not be ignored.
Below is a mystery in itself.
Don't let the "saucer" word scare you here, read it...
Excerpt:
"Ray Palmer, editor of "Flying Saucers" magazine [& later of Amazing Stories] wrote:
"Byrd flew to the North Pole, but did not stop there and turn back, but went for 1,700
miles beyond it, and then retraced his course to his Arctic base (due to his gasoline
supply running low). As progress was made beyond the Pole point, iceless land and lakes,
mountains covered with trees, and even a monstrous animal, resembling the mammoth of
antiquity, was seen moving through the underbrush; and all this was reported via radio by
the plane occupants. For almost all of the 1,700 miles, the plane flew over land,
mountains, lakes and rivers." The December 1959 issue (5000 copies) disappeared.
One distributor got 750 copies - they disappeared and so did the distributor.
Source/Full Story: Hollow Earth: http://wethepeople.tripod.com/Byrd.htm
Sounds "Nutty" at first, but if you read the whole story and realize 1700 miles beyond
the pole is well known lands, yet it is documented radio transmissions spoke of unknown
lands 1700 miles beyond the poles, meaning you are taking a dive into a giant crator.
Heat from the core of the earth, warming the whole area. The ice is a ring, not a cap.
Also Ham Radio opperators in many places, did pick up the radio transmissions.
Years later some reported they were threatened to keep quiet, some vanished.
Another good read on it...
"The anomalies of the region inside the Great Ice Barrier where the "mirage" of
Crockerland was seen on various occasions begin with Nansen's observation of 17
January 1894 at 79ºN 135º29'E, that the wind from the north raised the temperature while
the wind from the south lowered it, an indication that warm air was coming from the
North Pole area in the dead of winter."...
..."Beyond 80ºN Arctic explorers observe that instead of becoming progressively colder,
the water is warmer, and this warmth appears to proceed from the polar current. Greely
spoke of open water there all year round, and in the month of September Nansen recorded
that the further north he voyaged the less ice he saw. Three weeks later he found the sea
still open and unfrozen, leading him to comment: "It made us think we were still at
Bergen". In its publication of 10 May 1884 the Norwood Review remarked that: "Once
inside the Great Ice Barrier the climate is mild like that of England."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crockerland
I think any more on that would deserve it's own thread, and perhaps there should be one.
But I am showing my case that it is possible for single cell red plant pollen to originate
in the polar area and become airborn, far enough to paint the ice ring barrier at least.
Carried on warm winds from the pole-hole into the upper atmosphere, who knows where it
might come down?
OP Skypoetone quotes McCafferty as stating there were even some reports of milk,
bricks, or honey falling from the sky. I think most of us can dismiss most of that as a
little too far fetched. Ok I threw a brick once, but I didn’t know anyone was over there.
However I rule out nothing as impossible until I look at it closely, especially if there are
enough reports. Not so much a land of milk and honey, with building materials to boot,
but colored rain such as white could be reported as milk by some ancients.
Space and time are said to be the same, and very electrical in ways.
Rumors of High voltage experiments, such as the Philadelphia Experiment
also known as Project Rainbow: http://www.viewzone.com/philadelphia.html
have been reported, wherein buildings had missing "bricks" after the experiments,
and then bricks and other objects being used as the subject of further experiments.
One example is 1/3 way down this page: http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/exper.html
I haven't tried that experiment myself and can't vouch for it, as I have been more focused
on my archeology interests for a while now, but I've no reason to doubt it as I have seen
many unusual things regarding electrical experimentation, including levitation.
Electrical levitation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_levitation
Video demonstration (watch last part): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP5JgG1-0jg
A plastic wrap factory had rolls of the stuff rolling fast from one roll to another on machines
and the static electricity from this created a sort of invisible force field after a while.
I’ll look for that story link sometime.
John Hutchison Effect:
The effect named after him, he's not a quack.
Now see also Hutchinson Video demonstrating effects of high voltage/frequency energy on
various objects, some of which substantiate the Philadelphia Experiment claims,
such as embedded objects ( a must see ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeKP-bj4xOQ
I tried to find the brick story, but couldn't. I read it years ago.
My point is, if bricks can disappear and reappear elsewhere, they could indeed
fall out of the sky. Theoretically.
As for reports of Honey rain? This reminds me of another rain story as well.
This one documented by an entire town, including the Police Department.
14 years ago there was a mysterious goo jelly falling from the skies here in
Washington. I wasn't here at the time, but remember seeing the story on the
Unsolved Mysteries TV show, a few years later.
Excerpt:
May 8, 1997, Unsolved Mysteries
Robert Stack: It came from the skies to wreck havoc on the earth. It sounds like a bad
science fiction movie, but for the little town in Washington there was nothing
entertaining about the scourge that befell them in 1994. Six times it rained down from
above, leaving dozens of local residents ill, and several pets and small animals dead. It all
happened in Oakville, Washington, population 665. Here in Oakville, clouds fill the skies
daily, bringing rain some 275 days a year. So, when it began pouring on the morning of
August 7, 1994, no one was particularly concerned - until they realized it wasn't raining
rain. It was raining tiny blobs of gelatinous goo. It came down in torrents, blanketing 20
square miles, and brought with it something of a plague.
Full Story: http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/unsolved.shtml
People, with good cause claimed they were the victims of experimental bio-warfare.
The Air Force tried to say it was jelly fish falling from the sky (no chit) yeah,
they claimed they were dropping bombs in the ocean, and a school of jelly fish got
hit, blew up into the sky, drifted many miles inland, then rained on a town.
Hey you can't make this stuff up, ..well, the Air force can, but I mean I'm not making this
up. Geez, they put a lot of faith in that fluoride don’t they? Anyway, the mystery has
never been answered, kind of like something else in the sky these days, and now the red
stuff too? Hmmmmmmmm?
They even suggested a passenger jet emptied it's toilets in flight, but that could
not account for the amount of goo rain that fell, nor the duration of it's descent.
The whole town was covered with it, and it fell for quite a while, 6 different times.
So now our skies are full of wonders and signs. Biblical prophecy.
Better save your dog gone soul.
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