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Posted: 1/29/2008 4:57:52 PM | Again I see where someone has found Jesus in a piece of marble. They are planning on selling it on ebay.
The topic I am looking to discuss is. IF the person truly believes in Jesus and thinks that his image is coming through on something. Do you feel that auctioning those things off is like Judas selling him for 30 pieces of silver? | |
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Posted: 1/29/2008 5:42:07 PM | If the thing was truly a miraculous relic, then according to Catholic canon law, the penalty for the selling of relics is mortal sin, and perhaps even excommunication if a whole business is made out of it. So yes, I agree. The selling of relics falls under the sin of "simony".
Note, though, that we don't consider it a sin to buy them off of eBay if they're being bought to be saved from desecration. For example, Eucharistic Hosts are sold, which may come to the hands of black Mass practitioners. Also, antique, blessed prayer desks are often sold to the BDSM crowd for purposes that they obviously weren't made for. | |
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Posted: 1/29/2008 7:02:10 PM | - Does anyone have any specific evidence as to what jesus looked like? No.
- Did anyone draw Jesus when he was alive? No.
- Then we could simply say that the present representation of Jesus is totally wrong as he could simply look like me or any other pof members.
- Therefore, seeing some kind of image on an object does't necessarily mean it is Jesus. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 12:36:38 AM | | But lets face it seeing the image of a pof member on a piece of toast would be (a) Scary and (b) not net you any money off eBay | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 4:29:07 AM | Passionateman,
The question isn't really "Is it Jesus" the question is "If one believed it was Jesus in the object" We all know that believing something and proving it can sometimes be very difficult. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 10:09:07 AM | Serious
The question isn't really "Is it Jesus" the question is "If one believed it was Jesus in the object" We all know that believing something and proving it can sometimes be very difficult.
- Yeah, but how would you know what Jesus looked like to begin with?
- Does church's representation of Jesus on cross exactly as he looked like? No. Because it was simply drawn based on assumptions.
- That being said, anyone who thinks Jesus looks like the drawings on the church is because they have been brainwashed from childhood that Jesus looks like this drawing.
- Therefore, their mind keeps looking at the shadows anywhere and different objects and when they see something similiar to what they have imprinted in their brain (i.e Jesus drawing in church), they automatically make a big deal out of it and it is put on E-bay. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 10:27:16 AM | Someone trying to make a profit off of religion? Get out of here! It must be a world first!
TV Evangelists sell their services all the time.
Numerous frauds have been made in the name of God.
St. Paul's Basilica is a hellishly beautiful piece of architecture. It must have been paid for somehow...
Of course people are going to try and profit off of religion. Look at the examples that have been set for them! | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 1:28:59 PM | I can't say whether it is a sin or not to sell the object, since I do not follow a christian belief system. But I do want to point out: If this person believes in Jesus, and sees what he believes is an "divine image" of him in something. To me it would stand to reason that he wouldn't sell it. If I saw what I believed to be "god" within something in my possession, I would keep that as a sign, or gift. I would believe it's a communication to me. So, the fact that its person is selling this makes me believe: 1, that It's a hoax to make some quick money. And 2, That this person doesn't believe that what they have seen is a "Divine" anything.
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Posted: 2/1/2008 10:46:16 AM | | I'm pretty sure I saw some guy here on the forums that looked a lot like Jesus... | |
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Posted: 2/2/2008 12:26:13 AM | | Excellent question. Of course it is doubtful that these images are really of Divine origin and it was pointed out that these are popular depictions of Jesus or Mary that appear on tortillas and such. We do not know what they looked like. The thing that puzzles me is that there is always someone who pays alot of money for these things. Maybe they would serve God better by using the money to feed the homeless? | |
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Posted: 2/2/2008 5:14:25 AM | | That RD is too true especially if the purchaser truly believes they are buying an image of Christ or Mary. After all I do believe the bible says something about a rich man chances and a camel going through the eye of a needle, I am sure there are those here that know the quote better. | |
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Posted: 2/2/2008 9:28:30 AM | As a non christain I see selling these so called images of Jesus as rather odd.
Now if it were a tortilla with the image of Elvis I might be tempted to bid. | |
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Posted: 2/2/2008 9:56:57 AM | | SFL, true. The Bible also mentions something condemning graven images. That dosen't seem to stop anyone. Truthfully, if I found an "image" of Jesus on a tortilla, I might put it on ebay. I could use the cash, and not sure if it would be compromising what I believe to do so. I probably just contradicted myself..lol. | |
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Posted: 2/2/2008 11:04:26 AM | "The question isn't really "Is it Jesus" the question is "If one believed it was Jesus in the object" "
We don't have to go far pertaining to modern religions in seeing which one has propagated the belief that God lives in graven images. The Greeks had a big influence on idol worship in Rome which had the first guiding influence on Christianity after the death of Christ.
I do not find it unusual that adherants of the Catholic church and it's thousands of break off Christian religions see Christ and Mary in many objects and believe the object gives off some special "heaven magic" that will not only allow special healings but will allow special prayer contact with the other side.
Consider those that kneel before the pope and kiss a ring? Consider those that kneel and while praying stare at a statue of a dead Christian or the cross that Christ died on.
Consider those that enter a church and cross themselves.
Consider those (in a stressful/dangerous) situation who grab a small cross/medallion about their neck while saying a quick prayer to help them through that situation.
There are so many Christian religions that directly/indirectly teach the practice that God lives in objects...man made or natural...and we should give special worship/reverence to them.
If you are the type of person that needs a natural or graven image to help you sustain your faith in God....have at it. That doesn't mean it is right though. As RDtoo mentioned...."The Bible also mentions something condemning graven images." but that has never stopped humans from participating in that practice that God did command us not to do. I believe the commandment went... Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 20:5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them;
And the question..."Do you feel that auctioning those things off is like Judas selling him for 30 pieces of silver?" If they are being sold on the premise of the seller knowing the object is going to be revered as holy and probably worshiped as such, the seller and the buyer have in my opinion sold themselves as 30 pieces of silver. But....doing this is an accepted everyday common practice. That doesn't make it correct. | |
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Posted: 2/2/2008 9:39:10 PM | montanan76 said:
"The question isn't really "Is it Jesus" the question is "If one believed it was Jesus in the object" "
We don't have to go far pertaining to modern religions in seeing which one has propagated the belief that God lives in graven images. The Greeks had a big influence on idol worship in Rome which had the first guiding influence on Christianity after the death of Christ.
I do not find it unusual that adherants of the Catholic church and it's thousands of break off Christian religions see Christ and Mary in many objects and believe the object gives off some special "heaven magic" that will not only allow special healings but will allow special prayer contact with the other side.
Consider those that kneel before the pope and kiss a ring? Consider those that kneel and while praying stare at a statue of a dead Christian or the cross that Christ died on.
Consider those that enter a church and cross themselves.
Consider those (in a stressful/dangerous) situation who grab a small cross/medallion about their neck while saying a quick prayer to help them through that situation.
There are so many Christian religions that directly/indirectly teach the practice that God lives in objects...man made or natural...and we should give special worship/reverence to them.
If you are the type of person that needs a natural or graven image to help you sustain your faith in God....have at it. That doesn't mean it is right though. As RDtoo mentioned...."The Bible also mentions something condemning graven images." but that has never stopped humans from participating in that practice that God did command us not to do. I believe the commandment went... Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 20:5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them;
Yes, and woe to all us uneducated, popish, idolatrous peasants.... How insulting.
There are so many Christian religions that directly/indirectly teach the practice that God lives in objects...man made or natural...and we should give special worship/reverence to them.
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As RDtoo mentioned...."The Bible also mentions something condemning graven images." but that has never stopped humans from participating in that practice that God did command us not to do. I believe the commandment went... Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 20:5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them;
Regarding the very same book of Exodus: according to it, God commanded Moses to forge the Ark of the Covenant, topped with two gold cherubim. Inside this Ark, the presence of God dwelled inside, sanctifying it so that that anyone who unworthily touched it would die.
Moses was also instructed to forge a bronze serpent and lift it up on a pole. Those who were bitten by snakes would cast their eyes upon it and be healed.
The Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem contained many statues of lions, cherubim, oxen and other creatures.
The First Commandment forbade the creation of idols: that is, images in which gods were believed to dwell inside, like homes. It is not a blanket condemnation of all three-dimensional artworks, even those used in worship. If it were, then God would not have ordered the creation of the Ark of the Covenant, the bronze serpent, the tabernacle, or the Temple of Solomon (although the Temple was built on David's initiative, God accepted it and dwelled inside it).
Consider those that kneel before the pope and kiss a ring?
I haven't yet met the Supreme Pontiff, but when I meet the local archbishop, I genuflect and kiss his ring. I've also tried to make a habit of kissing my pastor's hands. You got a problem with that, bub? This reminds me of a story about St. Francis of Assisi. One day, a group of people at the village he was staying at told him of the local priest who was living in sin because he was sleeping with a woman. But when Francis confronted the priest, he kissed the priest's hands. He knew that even though the priest was a sinner, those hands still hold the body and blood of God in the Eucharist. Like him, I respect my priests' hands because I have faith that they bring me Jesus.
Bowing or kneeling to a religious or royal figure is a Biblical sign of respect; it is not necessarily one of worship. Joseph's brothers bow to him with their noses to the ground (Genesis 42:6). Joshua prostrates himself before an angel (Joshua 5:14). King Saul prostrates before Samuel (1 Samuel 28:14). The prophet Nathan bows before King David (1 Kings 1:23). The sons of the prophets bow to Elisha at Jericho (2 Kings 2:15). Daniel prostrated before the archangel Gabriel (Daniel 8:17).
Consider those that kneel and while praying stare at a statue of a dead Christian or the cross that Christ died on.
I like to pray while meditating upon a crucifix, a holy card, or an image of my patron saint (whom I do not believe is dead, but is more alive than we are because he is in heaven). The Israelites in the desert lifted their eyes up to the bronze serpent to be healed. The gospel of John says, "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so must the Son of man be lifted up." I lift my eyes to the cross to seek the same healing. Got a problem with that?
Consider those that enter a church and cross themselves.
You say this as though there is something wrong or even shameful about the practice. Seems like you have something against "those" people. | |
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Posted: 2/3/2008 5:34:02 AM |
IF the person truly believes in Jesus and thinks that his image is coming through on something. Do you feel that auctioning those things off is like Judas selling him for 30 pieces of silver?
If the SELLER believes it's an image of Jesus, then he must be committing a sacrilege. Altho it's more like the Moneychangers in the Temple than the 30 Pieces of Silver. Or like drawing lots to see who gets the clothes after the Crucifixion.
If the BUYER believes it's an image of Jesus, and is an adult, then he's fair game. We don't have any life-portraits of Jesus. The best guess is that he looked like a Palestinian Jew--whatever that means. It probably does not mean the auburn-haired, fair-skinned angel who comes to us from medieval Europeans who hated Jews. But, if someone decides he can identify Jesus in a crowd or in a rock, with no evidence at all, and he has money to throw around, then you may as well take it. Sheep are for shearing.
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Posted: 2/3/2008 6:52:55 AM | Going with the idea that God or Jesus can appear to us in whatever form he chooses. Isn't it possible. (for those that believe) for his image to appear as we would recognize it. Not as he would have appeared when he was alive?
Again it is not a debate about IF he lived, what he looked like, it is all about the belief of the seller and buyer.
Good point about it being more like the story about drawing lots for his clothes. | |
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Posted: 2/3/2008 12:40:58 PM | | Nobody has mentioned this but I think Roman Catholics are much more likely to attach significance to an image on a tortilla than Protestants are. Protestants are more likely to think it is kind of cool and leave it at that. I remember back in the 80s there was a news story about the image of Mary on the front of a Presbyterian Church in Royal Oak. I drove out there to check it out and was amazed at the crowd on the lawn burning candles, kneeling in prayer, etc. They were mostly RC's. I did see the image after a while and it was kind of cool, it was made by the shadows and lighting. Not long ago I drove past the same Church and there was no Pilgrims at all. I wondered if the Presbyterians had a court order to get the RC's off the lawn or had changed the way the lights hit the building. Although this kind of thing happens in a Christian way, it seems much more mystical, much more pagan in nature. I don't mean that as a put-down, it just strikes me that way. | |
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Posted: 2/3/2008 1:00:55 PM | Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 20:5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them;
Jacobus, of what part of the above quoted verses makes you exempt or anyone else from doing anything those verses say not to do?
Bowing or kneeling before a cross or a statue while praying....give me reference where Christ did it and you have proved your point.
Show me where Christ wore religious medallions of any kind to foster his faith and you shall have proved your point.
Show me where Christ knelt and kissed someone's ring out of respect and you will have proved your point.
"You got a problem with that, bub?" I have no problem with human weaknesses wherein they do what is actually not acceptable by commandment from God. Humans will always make allowances. That is why we are humans. If you feel bowing or kneeling before another man and kissing his ring is a way to show your resepct for his religious position, thats your choice. Personally I shake a man or woman's hand. That is my way of showing respect to another person be they adult or child. Men and women kneeling and bowing down to a person of high society status and or religious status and or kissing their hand or ring has always been done. That does not mean it is a correct or incorrect thing to do. It just means it is a traditional thing that has always been done and accepted as a practice by humans as a form of respect. The question here though is if you will do it for someone with high society/religious standing, why not do it with all you meet to show your respect to them? Why do you choose to do this for only certain individuals instead of anyone you meet? Does it actually insinuate that you feel some people deserve a certain amount of more visible respect then the rest you meet? My point here is not against you. My point here is you are an example of many who do things without considering the implacations of your actions in this topic we speak of.
God did have moses build the Ark of the Covenant. BUT....I do not remember God telling Moses to tell all those that worshipped him to bow and kneel and pray to the ark. Maybe I missed some verses about that. How about listing them for me as after searching I can't find them?
The reason Moses was told to afix a serpent to a pole was because those following Moses were still heavy into graven images being their salvation. Other wise the story would have been about the people being instructed by Moses to pray in unwavering faith after being bitten and they would have an instant healing form God. God supplied what was obviously needed in that one specific setting, a graven image. But he did not tell Moses to tell his followers to pray to it or to worship it. He told Moses to tell his followers all they had to do was to cast their eyes upon it and they would be healed. So God did not break his own commandment.
The temples did contain many graven images of things on earth and in heaven. But these things were commanded by God to be made for his specific purposes. No where was it ever recorded that these things were to be worshipped or bowed down to during prayer.
I myself have pictures of Christ with the apostles and Mary that cause me to reflect about Christ and his gospel. But I kneel before none of them in prayer. I wear no cross or medallions though once I did. I need nothing to help me with my faith in Christ but my mind.
The following are your words.....
"Got a problem with that?"
"You say this as though there is something wrong or even shameful about the practice. Seems like you have something against "those" people. "
You have a problem with your own actions because you have went to elaborate statements to defend what you do as well and acceptable and or right.
You skipped a part of my past post. I said if using images helps a person to sustain their faith in God then have at it. I did then state that doing that does not mean it is correct. It just means it is an acceptable practice did by humans.
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Posted: 2/4/2008 6:28:45 AM | "Going with the idea that God or Jesus can appear to us in whatever form he chooses. Isn't it possible. (for those that believe) for his image to appear as we would recognize it. Not as he would have appeared when he was alive?"
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Sure. But at that point we're in the realm of fiction. So the apparition may as well be of a lizard, or ANYTHING. | |
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Posted: 2/4/2008 6:33:33 PM | Montanan76 said:
Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 20:5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them;
Jacobus, of what part of the above quoted verses makes you exempt or anyone else from doing anything those verses say not to do?
No one is exempt. I don't have idols or treat any images as idols. But I make a distinction between an idol which is worshipped and an image which is simply used for devotional purposes. Hence why I said: "The First Commandment forbade the creation of idols: that is, images in which gods were believed to dwell inside, like homes. It is not a blanket condemnation of all three-dimensional artworks, even those used in worship."
Bowing or kneeling before a cross or a statue while praying....give me reference where Christ did it and you have proved your point.
I don't believe this is necessary to demonstrate the acceptability or non-acceptability of a practice, any more than it's necessary to find jumbotron screens in the Bible to justify the use of them in certain churches. However, the 138th psalm of David records, "I will worship towards thy holy temple, and I will give glory to thy name." 2 Chronicles 29:29 records King Hezekiah and the people in attendance bowing before the sin offerings on the Temple altar ("And when the oblation was ended, the king, and all that were with him bowed down and adored.") These are examples of people whom the Scripture consider righteous facing in the direction of man-made objects. They do not worship the objects, but there isn't anything wrong with physically facing them.
Show me where Christ wore religious medallions of any kind to foster his faith and you shall have proved your point.
He didn't have any, but He used material objects to perform some of His miracles. For example, He used clay and spittle to heal the blind man's eyes (John 9:6-7). At the Last Supper, He washes the Apostles' feet; an external sign of an inward faith.
There are, as well, Scriptural examples of relics having supernatural power. In 2 Kings 13:21, the bones of Elisha bring a dead man back to life. In Acts 19:11-12, St. Paul's handkerchief heals the sick. The hemorrhaging woman was cured by touching Christ's cloak (Matthew 9:21).
Show me where Christ knelt and kissed someone's ring out of respect and you will have proved your point.
If Christ is a king, He wouldn't have had to; nor do I say, though, that kneeling before certain figures is a necessity, but merely an act of devotion. Christ did wash the feet of the Apostles, though, presumably while on His knees.
he question here though is if you will do it for someone with high society/religious standing, why not do it with all you meet to show your respect to them? Why do you choose to do this for only certain individuals instead of anyone you meet? Does it actually insinuate that you feel some people deserve a certain amount of more visible respect then the rest you meet?
As an Asian, I prefer bowing in general over handshaking. A genuflection, though, is traditionally only assigned to certain offices.
I believe some people have higher offices than others, and that those offices can be respected through external signs like kissing a ring. It doesn't have anything to do with whether I like the individual who's wearing it; I didn't like my city's previous archbishop at all, but I think if I had met him, I would kiss the ring out of respect for his episcopal office.
God did have moses build the Ark of the Covenant. BUT....I do not remember God telling Moses to tell all those that worshipped him to bow and kneel and pray to the ark. Maybe I missed some verses about that. How about listing them for me as after searching I can't find them?
I'm not telling people they must bow to certain things; but that it is not against God's commandment, according to traditional Christian understanding. I've listed a couple examples of righteous Old Testament figures bowing before the Temple altar.
The reason Moses was told to afix a serpent to a pole was because those following Moses were still heavy into graven images being their salvation. Other wise the story would have been about the people being instructed by Moses to pray in unwavering faith after being bitten and they would have an instant healing form God. God supplied what was obviously needed in that one specific setting, a graven image. But he did not tell Moses to tell his followers to pray to it or to worship it. He told Moses to tell his followers all they had to do was to cast their eyes upon it and they would be healed. So God did not break his own commandment.
The temples did contain many graven images of things on earth and in heaven. But these things were commanded by God to be made for his specific purposes. No where was it ever recorded that these things were to be worshipped or bowed down to during prayer.
The reason I brought up the bronze serpent is to show why there's nothing wrong with using a visual representation as something which brings the soul to faith.
You have a problem with your own actions because you have went to elaborate statements to defend what you do as well and acceptable and or right.
A defense is just a defense. Many of the New Testament letters were written in defense of certain beliefs. It doesn't mean St. Paul had a problem with his own actions.
You skipped a part of my past post. I said if using images helps a person to sustain their faith in God then have at it. I did then state that doing that does not mean it is correct. It just means it is an acceptable practice did by humans.
You also said that the use of images in worship is contrary to God. Or to be specific: "but that has never stopped humans from participating in that practice that God did command us not to do."
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Posted: 2/7/2008 9:10:13 AM | "You skipped a part of my past post. I said if using images helps a person to sustain their faith in God then have at it. I did then state that doing that does not mean it is correct. It just means it is an acceptable practice did by humans.
You also said that the use of images in worship is contrary to God. Or to be specific: "but that has never stopped humans from participating in that practice that God did command us not to do."
My reply was an argument to the contrary. "
I am in total agreement Jacobus that you are using logic to debate your using certain religious material in a way that Christ did not.
Understand your own logic...I think you do but I don't think your aware how much you are 'bending' Exodus 20:4-5 to suit your needs. The following is a good example of this.....
"No one is exempt. I don't have idols or treat any images as idols. But I make a distinction between an idol which is worshipped and an image which is simply used for devotional purposes."
So kissing a man's ring would be classifyed by you as a devotional purpose? If you took his hand and kissed it...I would say nothing as kissing the cheek or cheeks or hand and or hugging and patting shpoulders or back or the chest in greeting or leaving has always been a common practice.
I am sure Christ did those things. I am sure he also bowed and shook hands, two main forms of greeting with respect used through out the world by many cultures.
But I doubt he kissed any ring. I doubt he prayed while looking at a statue or drawing or painting. Did he kneel before an alter within the temple? Possibly. But he did not use it to help him to pray. Alter's had always been held as holy especially by the Isralites because of their specific use for the sacrifices made to God.
The following was a real stretch in my opinion to support your beliefs....
"He didn't have any, but He used material objects to perform some of His miracles. For example, He used clay and spittle to heal the blind man's eyes (John 9:6-7). At the Last Supper, He washes the Apostles' feet; an external sign of an inward faith."
Let's understand some basic happenings of religious relics.....it is over done and tends to lead a person to use the object/objects to supoort their faith which in turns allows them to forget that they could have the same if not stronger faith without the objects like...prayer cards, medallions, crosses, vials of holy water and dirt, statues, pictures, certain garments like those the priests and ministers wear that people touch and kiss.
Christ did not teach that any of the above was ever to be used to foster a person's faith. He knew human weaknesses. He knew they gave reverance to objects in a way they shouldn't thus the verses in Exodus to hopefully persuade his followers not to do it. He did not give exception to anything.
And christ kneeling to wash feet out of respect, not a good support case or the fact he used spittle and clay to heal with. Christ used spittle and clay as a material means to help the blind man heal himself. Christ could have healed anyone of anything without touching them at all. But that is not how humans work and he knew it so he used what did work....what the human eye sees the human mind is convinced of.
Please understand this....as Judas sold his faith for 30 pieces of silver, so do I think that people today as then in Judas's time and way before him sell their faith for the need to believe in what the eye sees. I did it once also. I don't now. I don't need materials to foster my faith. They are nice to see and look at and even to contemplate about regarding a thought they might help bring forth but medallions, crosses, prayer cards and repiticious prayers, etc., ....those things I am not in need of anymore to help my faith grow. But we are not all alike and I understand that. So if someone needs those things to help them have faith, it is better then they not having any faith I would guess. | |
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Posted: 8/21/2008 12:16:14 PM | I get that all the time ...LOL. Anyway Jeshua Ben Joseph( AKA JC) was likely a dark semitic person. Just read the descriptions in the bible.
For my 2 pieces of copper, I have found things that to me were divine images in natural objects and I would GIVE them away to other who would get it or "needed" it, but certainly not sell them. I would find it to be a singularly "non-spiritual" thing to do that.
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Posted: 8/22/2008 9:38:29 AM | Selling off an article with JC's image on it. Nope...they do it all the time. It isn't as if you were selling him out to turn him over to the authorities for them to crucify...which was what Judas did. You are selling a corn-flake or piece of toast with an image on it.
Got a corn flake that looked remarkably like an indian in full feathered head dress, etc once. I ate it.
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on their respectful heads and then a lesson in logic IMO. 
But his action can’t be compared with Judas’ action IMO. By selling – he is not selling out Jesus. He may be disobeying his commandments of believing in graven images. But disobeying commandments is NOT the same as being a traitor!!! 
