| Mir VS Lesnar
Posted: 1/30/2008 8:09:36 PM | | Is it me or Dana White is starting to look a lot like Vince McMahon. In my mind Dana White 's stacked the deck so Lesnar is guaranteed to win. Because a big money making machine like Lesnar will look bad if he loses his debut in UFC. I like Frank Mir but he's basically just recently come off a major injury. Any ways anythoughts ? | |
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MNM08
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Joined: 1/14/2008
Msg: 2 | |
| Mir VS Lesnar
Posted: 1/30/2008 9:07:42 PM | | Dana White is like Vince McMahon in many way when it comes to promoting and taking credit for stuff that already existed. Mir is no walk in the park if he actually shows up to fight, he might want Lesnar to take him down because Mir could submit him there, but I feel Lesnar is too athletic and powerful and should win this fight. | |
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| Mir VS Lesnar
Posted: 1/30/2008 10:30:31 PM | | Lesnar's physicality will win him the fight, not his skill. | |
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| Mir VS Lesnar
Posted: 1/31/2008 11:51:48 AM | | I'm not saying Mir is a push over, and I like the guy much more than I like Lesnar. Personally I can't stand is arrogance. What I'm saying is Lesnar is fighting a three legged horse. Frank, just came off a near career ending injury. Your asking a guy who is about 80% of his potential to fight a guy who is on top of his game. I'm saying its not a fair fight. | |
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| Mir VS Lesnar
Posted: 1/31/2008 1:28:57 PM | Are you talking about the motorcycle accident? That was a couple of years ago now. Granted, he was badly hurt but he says he's completely healthy now. I personally don't think he was ever all that great. Good at submissions, yes, but the rest of his game is lacking and he gasses very quickly and doesn't seem to think well and regroup when things don't go his way.
All that said, I, too, like him more than Lesnar and his subs alone make him dangerous to a guy that for all we know is still, more or less, just a wrestler. Of course, Brock is a monster of a wrestler and that could win the fight for him.
It's an interesting fight because they would seem to have very different strengths and weaknesses. That always makes predicting what will happen difficult. I think that if it ends quickly it'll be because Mir got a sub in right after being taken down. If it goes out of the first round, I think Lesnar will win by gnp. | |
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EH1
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Joined: 1/8/2008
Msg: 7 | |
| Mir VS Lesnar
Posted: 1/31/2008 1:37:21 PM | | Lesnar is very athletic and coordinated for such a big guy so if he wins and shows good skills then he has a good future in MMA. On top of physical attributes Lesar has a good background in professional sh** talking from the WWE and that kind of stuff helps alot in promoting the fight. | |
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| Mir VS Lesnar
Posted: 1/31/2008 1:45:31 PM | | True. If he becomes reasonably well-rounded, he's got the potential to be "the next big thing" in MMA. That rarely happens with someone who didn't train in all elements of fighting early on, though. We'll see. I'm skeptical. I think a guy like Nog will always have his number. Maybe some strikers, too, like Mirko (if he can get it back together, but he may need to drop to lhw) and Kongo as well. Then there could be Antonio Silva on the horizon... | |
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| Mir VS Lesnar
Posted: 1/31/2008 3:03:59 PM | | This could be a decent fight. MMA is all about skill and stamina. Lesnar will likely suffer with stamina, too much muscle is not a good thing. Mir is not an endurance machine either, but he does have some good submission skills. We'll just have to wait and see what kind of skills Lesnar brings. | |
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| Mir VS Lesnar
Posted: 2/1/2008 1:14:05 AM |
lesnar is a joke
He couldn't hack it as a football player, that much I know. | |
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| Mir VS Lesnar
Posted: 2/1/2008 8:19:28 AM | Lesnar was 106-5 as a collegiate wrestler winning both the Jr. College ('98) and NCAA (2000) championships as a Heavyweight. So he obviously had a good wrestling background.
Lesnar actually has nothing to lose. If he does lose, everyone will be able to say it was from inexperience. Mir is the veteran and if he loses, it'll be his comeback taking a hit from losing to basically an MMA rookie (Lesnar does have one K-1 fight under his belt)
Personally i think Mir will submit Lesnar. Lesnar may have been training for the last year plus, but i don't think it's enough to make him an all around MMA fighter, yet. If he does win it'll be from his pure strength and size.
I'm more interested in the Sylvia-Noguiera fight anyway. | |
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| Mir VS Lesnar
Posted: 2/1/2008 7:10:48 PM | | I agree completely, I also expect to see Mir tap him out... probly wont be able to break his gigantic arm though. | |
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MNM08
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Joined: 1/14/2008
Msg: 13 | |
| Mir VS Lesnar
Posted: 2/1/2008 7:56:46 PM | At the weigh ins it was noted how huge Lesnar's hands are, the biggest in MMA. he also looked huge standing next to Mir. He was listed as 6 ft 2 and a half, but was taller than Mir, who is listed at 6 ft 4.
I want Lesnar to destroy him, to shut up the marks who are pissed off a former WWE wrestler is fighting. I got news for you, even though WWE is predetermined, these guys are still athletic, and would kick any of our living asses any time they felt like it. Just about any pro wrestler would destroy and athlete in any sport in a bar brawl, and if you thing different, you are a jobber.
Ask Shamrock, pro wrestling was tougher, he told me himself. | |
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MNM08
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Joined: 1/14/2008
Msg: 14 | |
| Mir VS Lesnar
Posted: 2/1/2008 7:59:17 PM | Whomever says Lesnar is a joke is ignorant. About the Football, at the Football training camps for rookies and tryouts, he was more athletic than any of them. He never played college football, so to think he could make it was a big challenge. Just about no one ( exception Stephen Neal ), would have a chance.
Lesnar could not handle the pressure of traveling and other politics in pro wrestling. Whomever says pro wrestling is easy legit has no clue and is ignorant. | |
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| Mir VS Lesnar
Posted: 2/2/2008 9:26:50 AM | Regarding the OP: White is indeed taking on some McMahonian characteristics, but they're seen more in his ego, and how he's using the virtual monopoly he has to get away with underpaying his fighters, not so much in the booking of matches itself (Which is Joe Silva's job anyway).
Secondly, Lesnar is hardly 'guaranteed' a win. There are so many unknowns in this fight that there's no guaranteed anything. Lesnar is the favourite, true, but it's all built on hypotheticals. The reason for that, is that this is his second pro fight. Mir is a good test for a marketable, yet untested fighter. You don't put someone in with your top tier when they've only had one actual fight in their entire career.
Thirdly, as has been stated, Mir's injury is hardly recent, and he's had four fights since it happened. If he's not ready to go by now, he should retire.
Other points throughout: Brock's gas tank. This is true, however Mir isn't really noted for his endurance either. Mir fights that go long tend to start looking like Mir v Christison. Who loses there? Everybody.
Pro Wrestling: Except for having some experience with big crowds, Lesnar's pro wrestling career will be a complete non-factor in the fight. The only reason for this is that he didn't do it long enough to build up the nagging injuries that never heal right that wrestling inflicts on a person. Pro wrestling is difficult, to be sure, but this is more from the schedule and the toll it takes on the body than anything else.
Ken Shamrock: Pro wrestling is most certainly not more difficult than getting knocked out by Kazushi Sakuraba, and then pretending you didn't. | |
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MNM08
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Joined: 1/14/2008
Msg: 16 | |
| Mir VS Lesnar
Posted: 2/2/2008 10:39:09 AM | Shamrock meant Pro Wrestling was more difficult because of the constant bumps you are taking, never get time off, the travel, politics, etc, etc......If you have been hearing the news since the Benoit murders, wrestling is more "real" than people believe. With all the pain these guys have had over the years, the pain pills, concussions, steroids, etc........but that is another blog, this is about Lesnar/Mir
You never know what can happen tonight. People did not give Couture a chance against Silva last year ( I predicted a Couture win ), and looked what happened. It would be better for Lesnar, if he lost, that he lost a great fight than to lose a boring fight or quick one......
I predict Lesnar wins by ref stoppage...... | |
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| Mir VS Lesnar
Posted: 2/2/2008 11:37:20 AM | I know exactly what he meant. What I mean, is that Shamrock as a source is ... a less than stellar. I also meant that getting KO'd by Sakuraba is an incredibly difficult thing to do, so I guess Can Shamrock is special in his own way.
As far as predictions go, Lesnar just powering through is a distinct possibility. Mir pulling off a slick submission is less of one. If the fight goes long, it will be boring. I call Lesnar by flying armbar at 45 seconds of the very first round, just because that would be the coolest thing in history. | |
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MNM08
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Joined: 1/14/2008
Msg: 18 | |
| Mir VS Lesnar
Posted: 2/2/2008 1:38:00 PM | | That would be pretty cool!.....Couture predicts Mir by submission in the second round and Silva by knockout..... | |
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| Mir VS Lesnar
Posted: 2/2/2008 1:49:10 PM | | Randy's really good at picking fights. Personally, I don't see Big Dim knocking anyone out any time soon, since that means he'd have to throw something that's not a jab. I'd pick Sylvia by boring-ass decision. Nog's probably a better boxer, but that reach advantage is a killer. | |
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MNM08
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Joined: 1/14/2008
Msg: 20 | |
| Mir VS Lesnar
Posted: 2/2/2008 2:44:55 PM | Randy is so good picking fights it is scary!! Silva needs an exciting win, fans were pissed off at the last boring fight he had.
I am looking forward to the next Ultimate Fighter season, with Quinton and Forrest as coaches, that match will most likely be their biggest PPV numbers of the year. | |
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| Mir VS Lesnar
Posted: 2/2/2008 3:04:41 PM | I think in the next year people will start showing more interest in organizations such as M1.
Not sure how many watched the New Years eve match between Fedor & Hong-Man Chow but I am hear to tell ya...M1 has just as much if not better talent than the UFC. Sooner or later fighters will have to be allowed to freely fight unilaterally. All these wonderboys coming from "The Ultimate Fighter" don't hold a candle to fighters in M1 in their respective weight classes. UFC was just the first to commercialize the sport. | |
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exxess
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Joined: 1/31/2006
Msg: 22 | |
| Mir VS Lesnar
Posted: 2/2/2008 3:13:12 PM | | hey ndru, check out Art of War. It's MMA thats come out of China really exciting stuff, similar to Pride fighting rules. I'm not going into who's got the better promotion because AOW is to new to really be judged but it's an alternative. | |
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| Mir VS Lesnar
Posted: 2/2/2008 3:34:07 PM | | exxess..You are making my point..There are Asian fighters out there that would tear the UFC up. The advantage that UFC has had over other organizations thus far is the ability to market & promote. One thing about successfully marketing anything..It takes money to make money. Granted, UFC jumped in & took the bull by the horns & got it done before anyone else. They had a monopoly going for the first few years..That said, From top to bottom, I just don't feel they are the most talented game in town. | |
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exxess
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Joined: 1/31/2006
Msg: 24 | |
| Mir VS Lesnar
Posted: 2/2/2008 3:54:26 PM | | That is debatable, there have been fighters who have crossed over and only a handful have been very successful in crossing promotions. The former Pride Fighting MMA fighters have had some limited success since they've crossed over but on the same hand I've been watching Pride Fighting for years when it was the dominate federation and UFC had hold their events at bingo halls. During that time guys like Chuck Lidell got their heads handed to them by the Pride fighters. It certainly seemed that it wasn't about who was the better fighter but where they were fighting because the UFC guys seemed very hesitant about getting knock out of the ring and the Pride guys seem very inept when they get pushed to the cage. | |
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| Mir VS Lesnar
Posted: 2/2/2008 5:34:10 PM | That's true. The different rules and enviroment make a big difference.
It wasn't long ago that Pride had arguably the best fighters, but now I think the UFC does for sure, save for maybe K-1's lightweight division being comptetitve with them. JZ is REALLY good. Now, there are definitely some standouts that could do well in the UFC who just aren't signed with them, but they're mainly not signed with M1 either.
M1 teamed up with what people are calling "Ghost Pride" (former Pride Fighting Championships people) to put on that Yarrenoka event where it was essentially Pride fighters vs K-1 fighters.
M1's only top guys are the Emelianenko brothers. They're big ones to have but M1 is going to have to do some big time recruiting to be competitive in general, or do a lot of cross-promotion events. | |
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