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| | Personality of God.Page 1 of 5 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) | Another thread here took me back to a question I had years ago about God existing outside of time and space... I think that whether you're inside or outside of time, it's still the same thing... The only difference is the breaking down of things.
If God needed no beginning or end, how did It/He/She develope personality? How were likes and dislikes distinguished in the morals of God? How did God learn what was good and what was bad, what was pleasure and pain?
If God could grow and was eternal, wouldn't God always be growing?
Would the paradox be breached between being eternal and experiencing non-being?
Would that experience not bring a change/growth?
These are some of the questions (when mixed with the notion of infinity, unity and the difference of all things) which make me believe we are all just some of the many aspects of God/One/Tao/etc... At the moment it can't be proven, but I have a feeling it will be one day, or should I say when the one person words it properly.
I mean, how do you describe something that keeps growing to defy proper description?
This is by no means a knock at Theists or Atheists... I welcome input from all and I am neither and both.
By the way, I realize none of those questions can be answered yet, but it never hurts to guess. | |
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Posted: 2/1/2008 5:48:07 PM |
If God needed no beginning or end, how did It/He/She develope personality? If God has a personality, perhaps it was developed by observing us? | |
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Posted: 2/1/2008 5:59:36 PM | If God has a personality, it's probably in disorder by now, after watching what is going on here on earth! He is probably seeing his therapist twice a week! | |
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Posted: 2/1/2008 6:43:34 PM | | DOES god have a personality, or are YOU projecting? The idea of "godness" seems to be a human universal, but also seems to reflect the dominant thinking of the specific culture--ancient Greeks thought gods were flawed just like humans; modern Christians seem to the think that god is omnipotent and knows exactly what he's doing; Indians separated god into a million pieces, each with a separate personality. Prajapati, anyone? | |
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Posted: 2/1/2008 8:29:42 PM |
If God has a personality, it's probably in disorder by now, after watching what is going on here on earth! He is probably seeing his therapist twice a week!
God and I must be seeing the same therapist... | |
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Posted: 2/1/2008 9:33:46 PM |
If God has a personality, perhaps it was developed by observing us?
That's the way I tend to lean.
DOES god have a personality, or are YOU projecting?
Well, for sure I'm projecting but that question is more for the folk who believe their god made everything according to value... Just wondering how this value was defined by their god.
Indians separated god into a million pieces, each with a separate personality.
I kinda share their thinking when I say I believe we are all aspects of God. | |
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Posted: 2/1/2008 11:07:29 PM | What if God, or what some people define God, is nothing more than aliens from a different planet? Or maybe a couple... Wouldn't that mean that GOD had a personality?
But the Great Divine on the other hand is this amazing energy force... This living thing that Aliens learned to manipulate into life... However even the great Alien gods can't be so amazingly powerful to give real life to the universe, just exist in it...
Therefore God in the sense of a Great Divine is with in all living things... Each thing has its own personality, be it human, animal, the wind etc etc...
Therefore the great creator has a personality, because Gods energy is one in the same of all of us.... Which would mean their is still just one great creator of all things, or many.... | |
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Posted: 2/5/2008 4:07:22 PM | What if God, or what some people define God, is nothing more than aliens from a different planet? Or maybe a couple... Wouldn't that mean that GOD had a personality?
But the Great Divine on the other hand is this amazing energy force... This living thing that Aliens learned to manipulate into life... However even the great Alien gods can't be so amazingly powerful to give real life to the universe, just exist in it...
Interesting, but the Great Divine as you call it is more along the lines I'm meaning.... I think these aliens would still be the same thing as us, even if they planted our seed, theirs still had to be planted.
Therefore the great creator has a personality, because Gods energy is one in the same of all of us.... Which would mean their is still just one great creator of all things, or many....
Or both.
I still lean towards an everlearning God which learns from it's own creations, adopting our personalities as its own... Dying and being reborn with every change.
In this essense, we may all have our chance at creation... All things eventually become the sum of all things(imo) | |
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Posted: 2/5/2008 4:57:05 PM | "It never hurts to guess." The following contributions stem from my understanding of Christian theology:
Stonestongue wrote (Msg: 1)
If God needed no beginning or end, how did [he] develope personality?
If God is eternal, then so would his personality be (i.e., it did not 'develop'). His personality has eternally been, and will eternally be, what it is.
Stonestongue wrote (Msg: 1, cont'd)
How were likes and dislikes distinguished in the morals of God? How did God learn what was good and what was bad, what was pleasure and pain?
If God is transcendent, eternal, and omniscient, then he does not come to value a thing; what he values now he has valued and will value eternally. Furthermore, moral order is not something to which God is subject; rather, moral order is itself grounded in the very nature of God and revealed prescriptively by his declared will.
Stonestongue wrote (Msg: 1, cont'd)
If God could grow and was eternal, wouldn't God always be growing?
One of God's attributes is immutability (i.e., he does not 'grow'). God is who he is, eternally.
Stonestongue wrote (Msg: 1, cont'd)
Would that experience not bring a change/growth?
Only if that experience in some sense communicates new information, which is diametrically incongruent with an eternally omniscient God.
Stonestongue wrote (Msg: 1, cont'd)
These are some of the questions (when mixed with the notion of infinity, unity and the difference of all things) which make me believe [that] we are all just some of the many aspects of God/One/Tao/etc.
Intriguing. However, since there is practically nothing analogous between our being and God's being, it is faulty to reason from our experiences to his. They are two very different orders of being. (As already stated, this response is from the perspective of Christian theology, which is not bothered by such questions. It is therefore curious as to what reasons you had for handing Christian theology its hat. It cannot be for lack of empirical substantiation, since a number of your fundamental convictions lack the same.) | |
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Posted: 2/5/2008 5:14:03 PM | Since it's all theory anyways, you're right... It never hurts to guess.
If God is eternal, then so would his personality be (i.e., it did not 'develop'). His personality has eternally been, and will eternally be, what it is.
If that was true, It (I refuse to give God a gender) would not be able to change It's mind on any subject... I'm curious what your take on that would be.
Furthermore, moral order is not something to which God is subject; rather, moral order is itself grounded in the very nature of God and revealed prescriptively by his declared will.
But if God is omnipossible (which is my belief at the moment) It would be able to change It's morals... Remember we are just talking about God... Not any one religions perspective on God... Let's steer clear of exclusivity ok? You don't know the workings of God any more than I do... I'll just pretend there's an imo in there.
One of God's attributes is immutability (i.e., he does not 'grow'). God is who he is, eternally.
See above.
Only if that experience in some sense communicates new information, which is diametrically incongruent with an eternally omniscient God.
Everytime new information is shared, there is growth and/or change... This is universal... Eternal does not mean stagnant.
Intriguing. However, since there is practically nothing analogous between our being and God's being, it is faulty to reason from our experiences to his.
I disagree... There's nothing that can be proved faulty about the notion God learns from us... My theory is that's why we're here... To know Thyself(Ourselves).
They are two very different orders of being. (As already stated, this response is from the perspective of Christian theology, which is not bothered by such questions. It is therefore curious as to what reasons you had for handing Christian theology its hat. It cannot be for lack of empirical substantiation, since a number of your fundamental convictions lack the same.)
Hmmm... Curious... I'm not specifically talking of a Christian God or it's theology... The Christian perspective is one of a few I'm asking about... Christians don't have a stranglehold on God... I fail to see any empirical value to your claims either.
Thanks for your opinion. | |
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Posted: 2/5/2008 5:29:34 PM | Stone I appreciate what you are saying...
The question of a Great divine is a curious one indeed.
I agree that giving God a sex, is really rather rediculous considering sex is only needed to procreate. Thus God would be both and neither at the same time.
I do believe if the spirit of God lives with all things, that God then experiences ALL, whether it be love, hate, misery, joy, loneliness, any and all emotions would go back to the source of oneness.
Man kind such a curious creature, always trying to conquer the workings of nature. Trying to make things perfect, to fix the mistake mankind deems God has made, such as birth defects, genetic inperfections...
Is this God trying to fix Gods own blunder, or are these things mistakes at all?
So many questions with so many theories...
By the way, we do have our chance at creation... Our every day existance is a chance at creating a way of living, creating art work, creating life through children, creating life through gardening.. Those of us who become Dr's, scientist, work laborously to keep life, to perfect life, to make life better, to take away life, and to do what they believe is right for another life.
What we do today, so often creates some sort of effect for tomorrow, whether it is to polute, or to bring beauty into the world...
Is it on the grand scale of a great divine? Who's to say? | |
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Posted: 2/5/2008 6:56:08 PM |
If God needed no beginning or end, how did It/He/She develope personality?
The personality was developed after God was named "Father". And in doing so, He was given a penis in people's minds, became a father figure, a protector, creator..... Because limiting minds found it easier to distinguish their belief from that which they knew.... No stretch for the feeble minds in charge. Sad commentary...
How were likes and dislikes distinguished in the morals of God?
The morals were created in the hands of those that wanted to control the masses, therefore setting commandments "in stone" for all to follow. It was a way to get order and control back. It had nothing to do with "God's morals"... it was man, defining man.
How did God learn what was good and what was bad, what was pleasure and pain?
Who's to say God knows what is good, bad, pleasure or pain? Where did that come from? To say something like that, one would have to have some belief that God was capable of learning. That would mean that God was limited.
My take is that God is whatever I want to make it. And I personally choose to believe that God is nothing but and everything containing the thought of love, in all it's entirety. That's not limiting it to your understanding of love either.... it's greater than anything I as a human can consume. I choose not to end my thoughts with man's descriptions... I make my own up as they suit my growing needs. It contains endless possibilities.....
I mean, how do you describe something that keeps growing to defy proper description?
I just did. Or at least I did in my own mind....  | |
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Posted: 2/5/2008 6:56:42 PM |
Stonestongue wrote (Msg: 11)
. . . (I refuse to give God a gender) . . .
Me too. However, for the sake of clear and intelligible communication, I do give God a pronoun. (And since he is more than some mere inanimate object, I do not use "it." According to proper English grammar, object pronouns cannot be used to describe persons.) This does not somehow mean that I think God is a male; it has been the consistent practice in the English language to use the masculine pronoun as a generic antecedent. (Until about the 1980s when feminists, wringing their hands about how sexist it was, decided this had to be changed. Oh please.)
Stonestongue wrote (Msg: 11, cont'd)
But if God is omnipossible (which is my belief at the moment) It would be able to change It's morals... Remember we are just talking about God... Not any one religions perspective on God... Let's steer clear of exclusivity ok? You don't know the workings of God any more than I do... I'll just pretend there's an imo in there . . . The Christian perspective is one of a few I'm asking about... Christians don't have a stranglehold on God...
It is your post that contemplates God in an unspecified context. However, my response contemplates the God of Christian theology to the extent of my understanding, and is very exclusive because I believe in no other gods. I will not pretend to be a polytheist for your sake nor anyone else's. I believe in God alone—exclusively, yes. And I will freely engage any issues or concerns from the perspective of my belief system whenever those issues or concerns seem relevant to it. If you want your thread to exclude the views of Christians—or just me personally—then make sure your post states that clearly. (That does risk having your thread deleted, however.)
Otherwise, accept the input from those who have very specified beliefs that may differ extensively from your own. You will notice that I stated clearly that my response stems "from my understanding of Christian theology," and elsewhere that my response "is from the perspective of Christian theology." There is no need to "pretend there's an imo in there" when I was already very clear and candid about the perspective from which I was responding. I neither said nor implied that my response was somehow the absolute and uncontestable truth of reality. You said that "the Christian perspective is one of" the perspectives you are asking about. Surely I can engage that relevantly and directly without somehow having "a stranglehold on God"?
And about your assertion that I don't know the workings of God any more than you do? That assertion is consistent with YOUR belief system. Please don't shove your beliefs down my throat. Your belief system does not determine what I do or don't know.
Stonestongue wrote (Msg: 11, cont'd)
Everytime new information is shared, there is growth and/or change... This is universal... Eternal does not mean stagnant.
However, omniscient does imply immutable—by definition. If God learns some new thing, he was not omniscient.
Stonestongue wrote (Msg: 11, cont'd)
There's nothing that can be proved faulty about the notion God learns from us . . .
Under your own systematic theology, perhaps. However, orthodox Christian theology holds that God has transcendent omniscience; ergo, it is a logical contradiction to assert that God can learn from us. Remember, I am responding from my understanding of Christian theology. | |
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Posted: 2/5/2008 7:06:30 PM | Thanks nexthyme.
I do believe if the spirit of God lives with all things, that God then experiences ALL, whether it be love, hate, misery, joy, loneliness, any and all emotions would go back to the source of oneness.
Do you suppose our personalities would go back to the source as well, to be incorporated in "all that is" as well? I kinda think so.
Is this God trying to fix Gods own blunder, or are these things mistakes at all?
In my way, God is trying to figure out what we/It is by splitting into all aspects of Itself... I think everything is going how it's supposed to... I don't think God wanted to cause Itself pain, but what is done, cannot be undone... All aspects includes even the worst states of being... We are to learn from this and eventually transend our need to learn about suffering... Good and bad weren't in the equation until we made it so and incorporated it into "all that is"... But that's just my personal belief.
By the way, we do have our chance at creation... Our every day existance is a chance at creating a way of living, creating art work, creating life through children, creating life through gardening.. Those of us who become Dr's, scientist, work laborously to keep life, to perfect life, to make life better, to take away life, and to do what they believe is right for another life.
This I know... I was just saying that in an infinate time, even we (each of us) may start a big bang with a thought.
What we do today, so often creates some sort of effect for tomorrow, whether it is to polute, or to bring beauty into the world...
And it's really our choice isn't it? Very nice.
A quick question for Ryft... Not knocking your faith, just curious.
One of God's attributes is immutability (i.e., he does not 'grow'). God is who he is, eternally.
If God couldn't grow, learn or change His (since I'm asking a Christian) mind and if our experience can not touch God, what was the purpose of Jesus changing the gospel or even being on Earth as man? Is Jesus not considered to be a part of God? Would that change in the gospel not be considered growth? I'm sure in the Bible God changed His mind a few times... That's growth, not immutability... I see Jesus as our brother, not our savior (but again, that's just me)
And about your assertion that I don't know the workings of God any more than you do? That assertion is consistent with YOUR belief system. Please don't shove your beliefs down my throat. Your belief system does not determine what I do or don't know.
Not trying to do that... But unfortunately, if you knew the workings of God, would that not go against your belief?
I won't try to undermine your opinion if you don't undermine mine... Just trying to grow... I appreciate your input on the Christian perspective, but it's not the only one is all.
Let's put it this way... Your chances of knowing God are as good as mine.
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Posted: 2/5/2008 8:13:54 PM |
If God needed no beginning or end, how did It/He/She develope personality? How were likes and dislikes distinguished in the morals of God? How did God learn what was good and what was bad, what was pleasure and pain?
In pantheistic beliefs, we are all one - God is One - God is All - THE ALL.... so if we are all part of God, are we not all part of the Divine Personality? .... and said Divine Personality is acquired via our human experience.... we grow in our perspective, as human beings, therefore the ALL grows... what we experience as humans, as a whole, is what the ALL experiences.... therefore ALL is possible. | |
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Posted: 2/5/2008 8:18:52 PM | ^^^ I'm curious... Does Pantheism believe that things like rocks and trees are also part of God? My way does... I believe We were/are the rocks.
Pantheism is close to my beliefs, but not exact (of course) | |
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Posted: 2/6/2008 1:22:27 AM |
Stonestongue wrote (Msg: 15)
If God couldn't grow, learn or change His mind and if our experience can not touch God, what was the purpose of Jesus changing the gospel or even being on Earth as man?
I do not agree that Jesus changed the gospel. I highly recommend a study in "covenant theology" which clearly demonstrates—scripturally, theologically, and philosophically—that from start to finish God's covenant dealings with mankind is thoroughly consistent and progressively reveals his eternal plan of salvation.
Stonestongue wrote (Msg: 15, cont'd)
Is Jesus not considered to be a part of God?
This question invokes complex christological issues, which is to bite off far more than we can chew here. Such issues are related, but it is possible—and certainly preferable—to address specific features of Christian theology, rather than attempting to tackle the entire system in a single thread. Let us address God and his attributes as it relates to your thread, rather than the complex finer points of who and what Jesus is and the implications thereof.
Stonestongue wrote (Msg: 15, cont'd)
I'm sure in the Bible God changed His mind a few times . . .
When you restrict yourself to English translations, it is easy to come away with that notion. But restricting yourself to English translations is highly irresponsible exegesis. When you examine those specific passages of Scripture in their original languages (e.g. examine 'olam nacham'), you discover that such is actually a misunderstanding (q.v. 1 Sam. 15:29).
Stonestongue wrote (Msg: 15, cont'd)
If you knew the workings of God, would that not go against your belief?
Not at all. You see, this seems to lean toward a bifurcation fallacy, that we either know nothing about God or everything about God. There is a third option it fails to recognize: that we can know some things about God, which he has chosen to communicate to mankind through various means. You can certainly disagree that God has revealed anything about himself, but that does not eradicate this third option affirmed in Christian theology.
Stonestongue wrote (Msg: 15, cont'd)
I won't try to undermine your opinion if you don't undermine mine . . .
If you want me to refrain from critically examining your beliefs, I'll certainly try. But go ahead and try undermining my beliefs any time. I appreciate and even seek out such critical analysis.
Unless you meant 'exclude', as in you hope I do not try excluding your beliefs. To this I would say, "I never have, and never will."
Stonestongue wrote (Msg: 15, cont'd)
I appreciate your input on the Christian perspective, but it's not the only one, is all.
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Posted: 2/6/2008 5:48:05 AM | Pantheism is not an organized religion.... it is more of a way of believing..... like monotheism and polytheism. In pantheistic beliefs, everything is part of the Divine... and yes, that includes rocks, trees, water, air, the dirt...... all things living or not. From what I know of your beliefs, stonestongue, I would say your beliefs are very very close to pantheism.
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Posted: 2/6/2008 8:59:41 AM | When you restrict yourself to English translations, it is easy to come away with that notion. But restricting yourself to English translations is highly irresponsible exegesis. When you examine those specific passages of Scripture in their original languages (e.g. examine 'olam nacham'), you discover that such is actually a misunderstanding (q.v. 1 Sam. 15:29).
Oh well, if it can't be explained properly in english without being misconstrued, it will have to remain shadowed for me... If the translators couldn't do it right, what chance do you have?(no offence) I would rather learn sanskrit.
If you want me to refrain from critically examining your beliefs, I'll certainly try. But go ahead and try undermining my beliefs any time. I appreciate and even seek out such critical analysis.
No, you can be critical... Just don't get all bent out of shape when I do the same... That's all... You seem to equate being critical and comparing to "shoving a belief down your throat"... I can do without that nonsense is all.
I was never under some illusion that it was. I am simply not that ignorant.
In that case I truly appologize for believing otherwise.
Bullielover;
Sorry, I didn't see your response earlier;
Who's to say God knows what is good, bad, pleasure or pain? Where did that come from? To say something like that, one would have to have some belief that God was capable of learning. That would mean that God was limited.
I see it the other way... If God couldn't learn It would be limited as It would be stagnant... If God couldn't grow, God is very limited indeed.
My take is that God is whatever I want to make it. And I personally choose to believe that God is nothing but and everything containing the thought of love, in all it's entirety. That's not limiting it to your understanding of love either.... it's greater than anything I as a human can consume. I choose not to end my thoughts with man's descriptions... I make my own up as they suit my growing needs. It contains endless possibilities.....
I like that, but endless possibilities? Would that not include the capacity to learn and grow?
From what I know of your beliefs, stonestongue, I would say your beliefs are very very close to pantheism.
My beliefs are kind of a mixture of alot of things... I'm influenced by Taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Universal Humanitarianism, Pagan, etc... The only label I could give myself is Omnitheism and that is just a way where difference is celebrated, Infinity is recognized and all personal truths have a part of "the" truth... I lean towards the belief that God would be omnipossible.
We all have a puzzlepiece to "the big picture" (I personally think that's because we are all aspects of God) | |
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Posted: 2/6/2008 11:35:17 AM |
If God couldn't learn It would be limited as It would be stagnant... If God couldn't grow, God is very limited indeed.
I see The Source as having omnipotent knowledge and power, therefor not anything to be compared to man. There is no room for improvement on perfection. We, as humans, strive for that..... so we have room for improvement, coming closer to God.
I like that, but endless possibilities? Would that not include the capacity to learn and grow?
Yes, it includes an infinite amount of room for growth. That's my objective daily.... to come just a little closer to God. | |
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Posted: 2/6/2008 1:15:16 PM | Now let's remember I'm not putting down any views here... I'm just comparing them to mine.
I see The Source as having omnipotent knowledge and power, therefor not anything to be compared to man. There is no room for improvement on perfection. We, as humans, strive for that..... so we have room for improvement, coming closer to God.
See, I don't believe our future actions could possibly be known to God or whatever you wish to call It... That's where free will comes into play for me... I make my decisions and they aren't known to God until they are made by me... Therefor, in my way, God learns from us and grows through our experiences.
Everything is perfectly being what it is... You are perfectly being you... I don't think it could go any other way.
Yes, it includes an infinite amount of room for growth. That's my objective daily.... to come just a little closer to God.
I thought you were talking about God having infinate room for growth as that's how I see it... I don't think we have to try to get closer to God as I believe we are God... But again that's just my opinion on the matter. | |
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Posted: 2/6/2008 2:06:02 PM | Stone,
I think there is a basic plan... Kind of like how video games are... There is a basic script for each character, and then from there depending on this basic plans are where choices come in.
I have to agree, the idea that God knows all, even before it happens, takes away the whole purpose of freedom of choice.
Would he knowing create Hitler (to name one of MANY who "rulers") who had a plan of Genocide, and did a pretty great job at it?
Would he knowingly create Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Green river killer, BTK, Zodiac, and the list goes on and on, because people are expendable. Therefore it fits in his LOVING plan to teach people that you're on your own, if you get mixed up with these people.
Did he personally think it was a really great thing to have a Tsunami wipe out a grip load of people, including innocent children and Christians? (I add the Christain part, because a Christian friend of mine said that was those peoples punishment for NOT being Christian.
Gods spirit resides with in all, however we also have our own soul that was given freedom of choice, does God regret this, or does God not have moral compass that says ALL humans are his children?
As a parent, I could NEVER sit back and ALLOW my kids to kill and or be killed.
I find great confusion when the bible states God want the slaughter of these people. If there is one diety, then those slaughtered people were his children too.
To me as a GREAT Divine, that gave man kind freedom, this freedom entailed allowing these children to grow, to form their own paths, to chose from a story line of many. Drawing closer to God doesn't seem to mean just doing what we think God wants, but rather what Gods spirit guides us in. By being able to see God around us in others, and all the greatness that was put into nature.
God exists in all, and shows examples of being humble in the smallest of creatures, to being demanding in our attention in caring for earth and others during hurricanes, tsunamis, earth quakes. Which is a natural process of the world that was created, but if we listen we can hear those things needed to care for one another...Children of God... | |
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Posted: 2/6/2008 3:01:45 PM | Jr. Senator;
the Bible is for how man is to live forever thu God...
Thanks for your opinion.
Nexthyme;
I find great confusion when the bible states God want the slaughter of these people. If there is one diety, then those slaughtered people were his children too.
That's why I don't buy into the Biblical perspective on God personally.
Gods spirit resides with in all, however we also have our own soul that was given freedom of choice, does God regret this, or does God not have moral compass that says ALL humans are his children?
I think God was the Tao and without personality until we evolved to have them... Good and Bad are our creations, adopted by God(imo)
Other than that I don't know what to say... That was all very good and beautiful... Thank you. | |
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Posted: 2/6/2008 4:10:34 PM | IMO God was created in the image of man...
We gave "Him" personality.
"He" is the mirror reflection of All of Us.
The great "I AM" is really WE ARE. :) | |
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Posted: 2/6/2008 6:54:33 PM |
The great "I AM" is really WE ARE. :)
Thanks Sky... I'm of the persuasion that it was both... "WHAT AM I?"
You are twisting the facts,God made man like his image ,and you need to spend sometime on studying and reading,
This isn't the place for nonsensical claims of truth... There are no facts on this matter and no, the Bible is not good enough to be considered "fact" even if it jives with your personal truth. | |
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