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 Deranged
Joined: 12/3/2005
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anyone watching the news knows of the recent cases of child porn against two CF soldiers in shilo. this news prompted me to finally get off my ass and show others how to do something both pro-active and easy to help authorities in the fight against child porn. i have the info posted in facebook in a group with the same name as this title. or go to http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10123836999

for those who arent on facebook, here is what i posted there:


By using P2P's, such as limewire, as well as cybertip.ca we can help authorities track down the people creating, storing and sharing child porn. I have spoken to people at cybertip, and they have assured me that they can begin a tracking process using the IP address we can obtain from limewire... even though it is not that person's direct IP address, it will still leave a trail that can be followed.
here is an example for limewire:

1) search using keywords such as "child porn, lolita, preteen, incest, and lollipop." r@y gold is another popular one
2) DO NOT DOWNLOAD any search results. hi-lite a title, right click on it, and choose "browse user."
3) a new tab will open for search results. the IP address on the tab is the one you want to copy.
4) go to cybertip.ca at http://www.cybertip.ca/app/report and fill out their report form. you will also need the date and time that you found the title.

if anyone has ideas on how else to find and report suspected child porn, please feel free to post it here.

some interesting sites:
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/5216.cfm
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/0,1000000097,2131871,00.htm
http://www.trustyfiles.com/help-child-protection.php


i have reported numerous IP's. and although i do not know the outcome of my reports, it certainly feels good knowing that i can do something to fight back.

(discussion and more ideas on how to fight back?)
 Piklee
Joined: 12/6/2007
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Posted: 2/2/2008 6:33:39 PM
Heres the problem: Those of us that actually have children or care about children think that this crime regardless of proportion is heinous. Period. ONCE is too much.
Now I know why some people don't or shouldn't have children.
 flyin-high
Joined: 10/28/2007
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Posted: 2/2/2008 6:47:18 PM
^^^^^^90% of all sex crimes are committed by someone who is close to the victim.

The people that your kids should be the most afraid of are YOU and other people who are close to them…. Not some dirty old man who they have never met.

The fact that you don’t know this makes the statement below very true.

Now I know why some people don't or shouldn't have children.
 Deranged
Joined: 12/3/2005
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Posted: 2/2/2008 10:36:09 PM

What you claim to be a witch hunt for the poor innocent "viewers" is in part an attempt to stem the free flow and cut the demand BECAUSE they can't catch the makers fast enough!!
nicely said. and thx for posting instead of staying out of it... when it comes to child abuse no one should be staying out of it... and to follow-up on letsgo's post regarding supply and demand... here's what cybertip has to say about that:

http://www.cybertip.ca/app/en/psa_p1#anchor_menu

let the witch hunt continue...

also from cybertip:


StatisticsCybertip.ca has a sophisticated system of gathering statistical information and has become a leading source of information on on-line child sexual exploitation. This information is shared with government, industry, and law enforcement to assist in developing strategies to combat child sexual exploitation and keep children safer.

Status of Reports
Arrests 30
Web sites shut down 2,850
Under Investigation 2,136
Intelligence 1,289


fighting child porn is a long up-hill battle. and maybe we never will win it. but what is worse, trying to stop child abuse, or ignoring it? even if the battle is never won, at least i can know i at least tried )and maybe even succeeded) in saving at least one child from the hell of sexual abuse.

and come on... in 2006 they had only 6,413 reports submitted to them, and from that they got 30 arrests. i'm willing to bet at least one of those 30 was abusing at least one child. which means the ppl who contributed to those 6, 413 reports all helped to save at least one childs life. and someone who would abuse a child, abuses multiple children. how many children were saved by those 30 arrests?

one is enough.

the way i see it (in terms of facebook, as i have no clue as to how many ppl are currently on POF)... facebook has over 8,000,000 profiles on it. if even only halfof those profiles had ppl reporting one IP address a week, that is 208, 000, 000 tips a year. now, going by 2006's stats of 30 arrests per 6,413 tips (thats approx 1 arrest for every 213.76 tips) 208,000,000 has the potential to generate over 900,000 arrests.

900,000 is a staggering number, and hard to believe that could ever be achieved. but lets reduce that number drastically to even a mere 1,000 arrests a year. we could scare these pedophiles back into obscurity where it is much harder for them to commit these crimes. not to mention much harder to find the demand for their supply.

maybe thats not "winning" the battle per se. but child porn is like prostitution in that it has been around for ages... and is unlikely to go away anytime soon. but if all we can do is shove them back into obscurity where its harder for them to victimize children, thats good enough for me. at least we can save some children if not all children... and let these ppl know that regardless of their on-line "communities", child abuse is not acceptable.

900,000 may be a staggering number, but i'm choosing to hold onto the hope that there are enough decent ppl out there who will put their own lives aside for the ten minutes it would take to report child porn. and who knows... maybe with quick enough action from the masses the authorities will have enough info to swoop in and herd a whack of pedophiles before they even know what the hell is going on. hey, one can dream. and i know i've already said it, but i'll say it again... even if the battle is never won, it certainly feels good knowing that i can do something to fight back.
 sunseeker69
Joined: 1/9/2008
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Posted: 2/3/2008 12:15:04 AM
Deranged I think your info on the cybertip.ca to help catch pedo's is very helpful and is a pro-active approach to helping the community and assisting the police as well.
I want to thank you for this as a dad and fellow com unity member.
I shudder at the thought of people wanting to sweep this topic under the rug and close the thread.They and people like Flyin high only add to the pain these children must suffer.
For the Record. My friend works for the Police (child protection unit) both Rcmp and WPS joint program.
He now has a copy of Flyin highs pictures just to be on the safe side.
These pervs are all over.
 printer2
Joined: 6/19/2007
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Posted: 2/3/2008 9:13:15 AM
It would be wonderful if everyone would get behind a cause and solve it. Now which cause there are so many? Only ten minutes a day does not sound like much to ask but people can only focus on a limited number of things. And what makes one more important than the other?

Who will look after the whales, the forests, the air, cancer, things that have consequences to effect society and the natural world. When the gorillas or tigers are gone they are not coming back.

We all pick the things that are important in our lives. If someone wants to go after pedophiles all the power to them. Children need to be protected and it is despicable of some to take away a child’s innocence from them.

But to put things into perspective more children starve or die of disease than are used in making pornography. Where should we put our efforts, mobilize the masses for the best good? And if we have everyone on board and sending in tips how many people would it take to check them out? Is this the best bang for our buck as far as society is concerned. Or should we be more concerned that every child gets a good education and can achieve something in their life? I do not think the media is blowing it out of proportion. There is a problem but I do not think it is effecting society as a whole.

I am also not going to change my life with the ‘if it saves one child it will be worth it’ argument. If we get rid of guns and no one ever gets shot, or if we get rid of drunks and no one gets killed in a car accident, it will be worth it. If we get rid of bottled water and no one dies of cancer due to the plastic it will be worth it.

I am not saying that people cannot go out and do things that they believe in and make the world a better place. Information on a problem is a useful tool into solving the problem. But it is up to each of us to decide what our priorities in life is. Some may not feel getting involved with pornography, even if to only hunt for it, is something they want to do.
 flyin-high
Joined: 10/28/2007
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Posted: 2/3/2008 9:16:06 AM
This is the worst case I can think of the top of my head… Again, someone close to the kids.

In the last 10 years the Catholic church has been ordered to pay out over 1 BILLION U.S dollars to approximately 1500 people for various sex crimes committed by their priests and bishops…. And these guys’s weren’t just trading pictures! That’s way more than anything the internet has provided. A few were prosecuted, but very few.

In the late 1980s, the Ontario government, the church and the POLICE all conspired in an unsuccessful cover-up in a case involving the sexual abuse of 700 children. Aside from a huge payout, and a public apology, nothing happened. Do you think the priests have stopped doing this, did it ever occur to you that they may have taken pictures?

Mbexplorer, I’m shaking in my boots… while your at it, why don’t you ask your friend with the R.C.M.P why the police helped to cover up the sexual assault of 700 children.

We have been led to believe that looking at child pornography makes you pedophile… it doesn’t… that belief will only help conceal the true pedophile, because we’re too busy chasing the much more accessible ‘internet pedophile”

Deranged, Your concerns are not unfounded, but your fears and your efforts are quite misguided.

Chasing the boogie man and calling me a pedophile for disagreeing with the current approach might make all of you feel a little better, but you have done very little to help your children or anybody else’s for that matter.
 edjoecdn
Joined: 5/25/2006
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Posted: 2/3/2008 9:46:07 AM
Hello all .............!

I think we can all agree that the subject of this thread is both real and distasteful. It's true that supposed "men" of god did diddle young boys.... that doesn't mean all priests are like that.
A few weak and perverted ones.... assaulted many ! Rot in hell is my opinion of them guys!

But if any such incident should come to my attention, regarding either my kids or anyone else's.... would I call the police... not right away ! No NO NO ...

I'd "do things" the police cannot, for they are bound by procedure and process for the protection of individual rights and the assumption / preseumption of innocence until proven guilty !

Can't really say anymore.. cuase as it says right beside the "post" button...

"anything you post can not be deleted" ! ....
 WeR1
Joined: 4/9/2007
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Posted: 2/3/2008 12:41:16 PM
What bothers me is that people arrested/accused wait up to ten years to go to trial. If they can afford bail they are on the street with no record and because they aren't convicted they don't show on a child abuse registry either. If they can't afford bail and are later convicted they get the same double time served break that other criminals do and while they are in a remand state, do not qualify for any therapy or programming.

How many MORE children can be victimized between the first offense and the trial?

Another thing that bothers me is that people don't turn into pedophiles at 18, they have usually offended as minors and there is no standard/minimum expectation, consequence in place to address the deviance while someone is still a minor and as such subject to the control/guardianship by someone.
It seems I saw a special once on a group of concerned citizens who used the internet to lure pedophiles into situations where they could be identified and the information passed on to police. The documentary said if the police had done that it would be considered entrapment, but nothing stopped a private group from doing it. I'd like to see something like that in Winnipeg.


I wonder if there is anything stopping someone from talking photos of licence plates on our local 'kiddie corner' and posting them on a 'social network' group? Might no get anyone arrested, but I'm sure friends neighbors and wives would like to know who is out there buying blow jobs from kids.

The more I learn about life the less I like 'civil rights'.
 Deranged
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Posted: 2/3/2008 1:15:49 PM
It seems I saw a special once on a group of concerned citizens who used the internet to lure pedophiles into situations where they could be identified and the information passed on to police. The documentary said if the police had done that it would be considered entrapment, but nothing stopped a private group from doing it. I'd like to see something like that in Winnipeg.
who says there's not?


general info:
http://ojjdp.ncjrs.org/jjjournal/jjjournal598/net.html
 Fort Garry Dark
Joined: 11/25/2005
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Posted: 2/6/2008 5:39:10 PM
If you have access to the Globe & Mail CHRISTIE BLATCHFORD is covering a trial. (Not available on-line)

The Halifax Herald publish the following today:


A 28-year-old Halifax man will be spending the next few weekends in jail after pleading guilty Tuesday to possessing child pornography.

Ryan Russell Inglis, 28, of Lucknow Street downloaded a dozen pictures of partly clothed or nude girls onto his computer using Limewire file-sharing software last June, Halifax provincial court was told.

Defence lawyer Don Murray described the crime as "an offence of inquisitiveness" that was out of character for his client, a steadily employed bachelor with no previous criminal record who has been assessed by a psychologist as a low risk to reoffend.

Mr. Murray asked Judge Bill Digby to impose the minimum sentence under the Criminal Code, 14 days in jail, and that Mr. Inglis be allowed to serve the time intermittently.

Crown attorney Craig Botterill said the images were soft-core and involved girls who appeared to be between the ages of 11 and 15.

"While not little girls, they’re clearly of the age he shouldn’t have interest in," Mr Botterill said.

The prosecutor admitted that it was unusual for police with the integrated Internet child exploitation unit to find so few images on a computer.

"We usually find thousands, if not tens of thousands," Mr. Botterill said.

Still, he requested a sentence of three months behind bars.

"The psychologist that assessed him said he can’t get to the root of what caused this fellow’s interest in these images, and that’s troubling," Mr. Botterill said.

"I don’t know if it’s inquisitiveness or deviance. It’s one or the other."

Though he hadn’t seen the images, Judge Digby said they obviously aren’t at the extreme end of the scale. He ordered Mr. Inglis to serve 14 days on weekends, beginning this Friday at 8 p.m., and placed him on probation for two years.

While on probation, Mr. Inglis is not allowed to go online on his computer unless it’s been equipped with software that allows police to trace his Internet activities. He also can’t be in the company of anyone under the age of 14 unless another adult is present. Mr. Inglis’s name will be placed on the province’s sex offender registry for 10 years.
 noble_cowboy
Joined: 1/24/2008
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Posted: 2/7/2008 6:02:58 PM
seems to be alot of attacking one another on this
but in reality, it doesn't matter wether its a priest, or a guy in his car on the corner, or on the computer; whether its boys or girls, this sick perversion needs to be persecuted and these people need to be persued by whatever meens the neighborhood, the police etc. can come up with
we as a society must also follow up on the liberal judges that let these perverts out with just a slap on the wrist and make sure that they pay the consquencees both polically if they're elected to the position or by way of the media so that pressure is put on them to help the police and fellow citizens take care of our kids
I have the belief that these perverts should be put in a cell with big bubba and tell him that this pervert raped your 10 yr old daughter and let him save the tax payer alot of money on treating and housing these perverts
for too long the justice system as let us down when it comes to protecting our kids, it need to change , make these perverts serve long and hard sentences, treatment doesn't work ; its been proven over and over again
thank you deranged for taking this all important step ; if nothing else comes of it, its got people talking and puts the topic in the forefront for all to discuss
 Fort Garry Dark
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Posted: 2/7/2008 7:33:52 PM

seems to be alot of attacking one another on this


I'm sorry did I miss something in this thread? From 5 pages to 11 posts says to me a mod has been busy.

I guess the number of posts will be down for a while. Its quite interesting how some people use public forums. Where's the popcorn?
 printer2
Joined: 6/19/2007
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Posted: 2/7/2008 8:17:56 PM
^^^^^^
If this keeps up we will not be #1.
 MissDemeanor
Joined: 5/1/2007
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Posted: 2/7/2008 9:40:51 PM
It's not surprising at all. IMHO it went too far and sometimes we all need to learn to pick our battles. Naturally that is just my opinion which only counts in my own house. Whomever disagrees, well I shall just have to agree to disagree with you.
 A Purrrfect Pisces
Joined: 11/12/2006
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Posted: 2/10/2008 8:20:00 AM
In this morning's Winnipeg Sun:


PORTAGE LA PRAIRIE -- A Portage la Prairie man has been sentenced to 90 days in jail for distributing child pornography over the Internet last Valentine's Day.

The 26-year-old appeared in Portage provincial court on Thursday and received the mandatory minimum sentence for distributing child pornography. He pleaded guilty to the offence Nov. 5.

Manitoba's Integrated Child Exploitation (ICE) Unit provided evidence of a sexually explicit video file involving a young girl, about 10 years old, being forced to have sex with a much older man.

On Feb. 14, 2007, the man sent the short clip over the Internet to a person he believed was a 14-year-old girl, but was in fact an undercover police officer in Vermont.

On April 30, the Winnipeg-based ICE unit and Portage RCMP searched the man's home in Portage and arrested him.

The accused believes he might have been drunk at the time of the offence, said Crown attorney Joyce Dalmyn.

In court, the man tearfully acknowledged that he must change his ways.

"This is a wake-up call for me," he said.

Judge Robert Cummings noted the accused had no prior record but warned him about the gravity of his offence.

"It's a serious concern any time child pornography is before the courts," said Cummings.

The accused received the mandatory minimum sentence of 90 days in jail and three years supervised probation. He is also prohibited from using a computer and from being in the company of anyone under 18 years old unless accompanied by a responsible adult approved by probation services.

He also cannot contact his sisters unless supervised by his mother.

The accused also pleaded guilty Thursday to failing to comply with an order not to have contact with anyone under 18, which he breached when he visited his sisters Dec. 23. He was sentenced to one day in jail, to be served concurrently.

Court heard the man was involved in numerous electronic conversations with the officer between January and March 2007.


PP

And he was sentenced to one day for breach .......... after stating when he was convicted that this was a wake up call for him.
He's 26 years old. It sickens me to think of all the horrendous damage he will continue to cause over the remainder of his life, without treatment.
 noble_cowboy
Joined: 1/24/2008
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Posted: 2/10/2008 1:08:42 PM
whats sickening is that he only got 90 days
that is just totally unreal to me ; 1st offence only means he hadn't been caught before
treatment or not, its been proven over and oevr again that this is 1 problem that they can't rehabilitate, the relapse rate with this problem is over 80 % ( don't know the exact number)even with treatment
yet again, the excuse being used is that he was drunk at the time ( there were conversations (that is plural) between jan. and feb., was he always drunk)
this should be a wake up call for all society ,not just him, that a judge would only give him 90 days : TOTALLY SICKENING is what I think the court system is on this subject, this involves our kids , we need to protect them better than this
 Wpg_Single
Joined: 11/10/2007
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Posted: 2/10/2008 9:21:54 PM
http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/2005/12/canada_new_dest_1.html

[quote} Canada new destination of choice for pedophiles?
December 31, 2005
High court ruling legalized
group-sex clubs with 14-year-olds

The Canadian Supreme Court ruling that redefined obscenity for that nation and legalized group-sex clubs, combined with Canada's unusually low age of consent - 14 - will result in an influx of pedophiles to America's neighbor to the north, contends a former consultant to the U.S. Justice Department.

In its Dec. 20 decision, Canada's Supreme Court legalized a type of business activity previously restricted by Canadian law, overturning two previous Quebec Court of Appeal decisions that had ruled group-sex clubs qualified as "bawdy houses" violating Quebec's community decency standards and were therefore illegal.

Judith Reisman, a world-renowned scholar and author of four books, including "Kinsey: Crimes and Consequences," said that since under Canadian law 14-year-olds are legally considered "consenting adults," the court's controversial decision "will now make Canada a sex traffic playground for pedophiles."

A former consultant to three U.S. administrations, Reisman, who is also a WND columnist, says the court's decision sends a clear message to pedophiles: "You don't have to go to Asia anymore. Pedophiles can have the blond, blue-eyed kids in Canada, too."

The Canadian government, Reisman believes, is sending a strong message to international sex traders that "you can get all the kids you want when you come to Canada." The liberalization of the Canadian courts, the author contends, shows "that pedophiles or politicians who refuse to prosecute these types of crimes are in power more than ever in Canada."

Supreme Court Chief Justice Beverly McLachlin was joined by Justices Major, Binnie, Deschamps, Fish, Abella and Charron in the sex-club decision. Dissenting justices Michael Bastarache and Louis LeBel said the high court's ruling "strips of all relevance the social values that the Canadian community as a whole believes should be protected," according to Canada's Globe and Mail newspaper.

"There is a real trend to break down moral principles in Canadian society," said Gwen Landolt, vice president of Real Women of Canada, according to LifeSiteNews.com. "The implications are horrendous," said Landolt. "It's an exploitation of human sexuality. Fourteen-year-olds will be exploited."

"The Canadian government," Reisman told WND, "will see that the kids are clean from sexual disease by giving them the appropriate drugs and medication and if they get pregnant, they will provide them with abortions."

Worth checking
http://www.drjudithreisman.com/
 WeR1
Joined: 4/9/2007
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Posted: 2/12/2008 4:54:20 AM
...to prove the point


<div class="quote">Sex offender inquiry panned
Minister refuses request from Whitmore lawyer
Tue Feb 12 2008

By Mike McIntyre

FEDERAL Justice Minister Rob Nicholson is refusing to call a sweeping public inquiry that would study how to better protect society from high-risk sex offenders like Peter Whitmore.

Whitmore, 37, was given a life sentence with no chance of parole for seven years after pleading guilty last summer to the August 2006 kidnapping and rape of two young boys from Manitoba and Saskatchewan.

His lawyer, Dan Brodsky, asked Nicholson for an "impartial, independent" study of what went wrong in the handling of his client and others like him, saying it was necessary to restore public faith in the justice system.

The Free Press has obtained Nicholson's reply, in which he says an inquiry wouldn't be "productive" because steps have already been taken to address the many legal flaws that allowed Whitmore to continue his sexual predation.

At his trial last summer, the Crown agreed not to seek a dangerous offender designation in exchange for his admission of guilt.

Whitmore's criminal history dates back to 1989 and includes five prior sex-related convictions that always resulted in him being released back into the community.

He has served several short periods in jail but was always released at the expiration of his sentences, despite alarming signs he was likely to reoffend.

Those signs include finding pictures of nude and partially clothed young boys in his jail cell.

The family of the 10-year-old Saskatchewan victim found themselves in the unusual position of agreeing with Brodsky that a serious national push for change is needed. They've spearheaded a local petition calling for tougher penalties and better monitoring and have also called on Ottawa to ensure better controls for predators like Whitmore.

Brodsky said a commissioner should be appointed with the mandate to inquire into what changes, if any, should be made in the law and especially the practice relating to the assessment, treatment and management of high-risk, high-needs offenders.

Nicholson apologized to Brodsky for his lengthy delay in responding to last summer's letter but said the concerns raised by him are already being addressed through tougher legislation.

He outlined several key areas where changes are being made, including the creation of Bill C-2 (the Tackling Violent Crime Act) which proposes several changes, including:

* Crown prosecutors will be required to inform the court whether or not they have fully considered and intend to pursue a dangerous offender (DO) designation.

* Offenders with a third, sufficiently serious violent or sexual conviction will be presumed to meet the DO criteria.

* Individuals found to meet the DO criteria but given a prison sentence with a long-term offender designation can be brought back for a hearing if they are convicted of a breach of any condition of the LTO.

Just wanna point out it says 'proposed' changes
 Piklee
Joined: 12/6/2007
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Posted: 2/12/2008 5:08:35 AM
Apparently there was a big bust in Ontario. Some of the numbers on the news were: 15000 Ontarians use PCs to distribute Child porn with about 4000 in TO.

OPP News conference today.
 dianthus9
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Posted: 2/12/2008 5:52:51 AM

* Offenders with a third, sufficiently serious violent or sexual conviction will be presumed to meet the DO criteria.


The effectiveness of this provision will be severely hampered by a system that is so over-burdened that many offenders are allowed to plea bargain to lesser offences and as such their conviction history doesn't necessarily reflect the crimes they committed. Pretty sad.
 40andsmitten*
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Posted: 2/12/2008 7:33:30 AM
News today

http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&showbyline=True&newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20080212%2font_childporn_080212

Highlights for those who can't be bothered,

Canada ranks fourth in the word in online child pornography distribution activity. The top three are Bermuda, Luxembourg and the Netherlands.

4th huh? The one time you'd like to come in last place.
 Fort Garry Dark
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Posted: 2/12/2008 6:14:14 PM
In the CBC cover of this story they say this:


Fantino said that in the past nine months, a total of 588 charges have been laid under the child pornography strategy, which was launched in 2006.


That is a lot of charges.
 Fort Garry Dark
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Posted: 2/15/2008 7:59:44 PM

and for justice system,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, need I say more!???


It isn't a justice system - its a legal system.
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