| Should Dr. Henry Morgenthaler should receive the Order of Canada?
Posted: 2/15/2008 5:03:12 PM | For reference, the Order “was established to recognize the lifetime contributions made by Canadians who made a major difference to Canada”. I support the nomination because he put his life on the line in support of women’s right to choose that eventually led to Canadian abortion laws being found unconstitutional and struck down in 1988.
For a chronology of events see http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/abortion/ | |
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| Should Dr. Henry Morgenthaler should receive the Order of Canada?
Posted: 2/15/2008 7:57:03 PM |
put his life on the line in support of women’s right to choose
First, "right to choose" is what you get at Burger King; what you're talking about is the right to abortion on demand, which is a completely different thing.
Why do abortion supporters always refer to the right to an abortion as the "right to choose?" Are you really so ashamed of the position you've taken that you can't even say it?
Secondly, "put his life on the line" is far from the truth. "Made a fortune" is the truth.
Morentaler did what he did for profit, with no other motive. He deserves absolutely no public recognition or award. To even consider him for the Order of Canada tarnishes the reputation of the Order beyond reclamation. | |
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| Should Dr. Henry Morgenthaler should receive the Order of Canada?
Posted: 2/15/2008 8:59:41 PM | You probably have never been the victim of stranger rape or pregnancy by incest. Morgenthaler’s actions stimulated a review of the laws of Canada that resulted in a recognition of a woman’s right to personal safety and security. This process took decades.
I don’t think you understand the implications decriminalizing abortion. Think about it…..it really can’t be equated with selecting a fast food option at Burger King. That's a tacky reference for an important subject. Despite what you may think, lots of women require abortions for very legitimate reasons…..and now they don’t have to have one in a unsafe and unhygienic situation that might end their life. | |
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| Should Dr. Henry Morgenthaler should receive the Order of Canada?
Posted: 2/15/2008 9:40:33 PM | | I don't think Morgenthaler should recieve the Order of Canada. I think there are enough people in Canada who don't view legalised abortion as progress, and therefore, where he stood for such a divisive and still debated action, it's ridiculous to honor him with the Order. | |
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| Should Dr. Henry Morgenthaler should receive the Order of Canada?
Posted: 2/15/2008 11:09:31 PM |
what you're talking about is the right to abortion on demand, which is a completely different thing
I've never been comfortable with men deciding what women can or cannot do with their own bodies.
I'm even less comfortable with back ally and illegal abortions for people that are determined to get one no matter what.
His medal is long overdue.
"Made a fortune" is the truth.
Going to prison for your political beliefs is not the best way to earn a fortune. | |
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| Should Dr. Henry Morgenthaler should receive the Order of Canada?
Posted: 2/16/2008 1:22:42 AM | He should!
The men in Government have been making this choice for women since 1869! In 1988 they finally found it that it infringes on a womans right. Dr. Morgantaler brought this to the forfront, in hopes that women don't have to go through unsafe practices. Between 1926-1947 as many as 6,000 women died from such unsafe abortions. Let's see... illegal abortions and thousands of women die, or legal, safe, clean professional abortion clinics where it's a routine procedure. I'm in favour where it's in the best intrest of the women and her rights. Which is what he has been fighting for nearly half his life.
That man has done so much for Women's rights, he's almost 85 and has not stopped.
Give him the medal that he rightfully deserves | |
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| Should Dr. Henry Morgenthaler should receive the Order of Canada?
Posted: 2/16/2008 5:12:44 PM | Should people have the right to have children they can't even take care of? Should they have the right to go spend what little money they have on booze and or drugs instead of feeding or clothing their children properly? And then go mooch off the foodbank and complain about how slow the service is while chainsmoking outside? Or instead of putting some money aside for their children's future? Better yet how about abuse their children in some manner besides neglect? Boy how about that child pornography roundup that happened recently?
Yet some of these holier then thou people who BREED and are Dysfunctional in some way or another, snub their noses in the air at those who haven't bred yet and treat the non-breeders like they are retarded and know nothing about children because they don't have any. Of course children's nasty words and bad behaviour (that they obviously picked up from their SHINING examples of parents), Racial hatred, judgemental attitudes and the joy of spreading hurtful slander/gossip and whatever other garbage I see on a daily basis is IGNORED and CONTINUES. The best is when a child spits on you and throws a rock in your back or another kid repeats the lovely gossip about you back to your face.......(and you can tell he doesn't believe it either and you can tell it hurts him too) but yeah parents of the year there, go learn some manners at least for your OFFSPRING's SAKE, DUH.
What's the kids lesson for their bad behaviour? More toys from the toy store, more crap food for the obese kids (who were bad as well), more wandering around past bed-time alone, more I don't have to do my homwework cause my doctor thinks I'm SPECIAL, more of here's a brand new Playstation for you (so we can gossip about the neighbor or whoever so)-even though the kid's obese and needs a major intervention before the kid dies at the age of 20, or here'e another videogame for another kid even though the kid's violent and assaults people and animals and etc......SIGH
But of course these type of breeders go on through life giving strangers drop dead looks and spreading lies all because they don't understand anyone who's not a walking Clone of them, oh and maybe the lack of Hobbies.
Meanwhile if they would shut their mouthpieces for once and get to know the stranger, the only reason they chose not to have children is because they are USING their right not to have a child until everything's right. And maybe if you took the moment to get to know the stranger you would know they had a life way worse then most of you, and they worked their ass off not to end up like their parents who were so lousy that the CAS had to take over, but none of that matters because apparently (where I live) it's better to have family around even if relatives are criminals, or violent or manipiulators or boozers or whatever; all because if anyone is actually alone that AUTOMATICALLY means they are a LOSER.
Of course there's another holiday on Monday-Family Day. Wow I thought there was enough holidays for that. Here's an idea , let's have these sorts of holidays: Use your
IQ's and stop Destructive Cycles Day, and how about let's BE NICE to Strangers Day and not act out Hate Crimes (just cause your bored and evil or have no SELF-AWARENESS).
Yeah so if anyone wants to say Henry Morginteler doesn't deserve a medal, when he was beaten in jail, when his clinics were bombed, when he recieved numerous death threats, then take a look around you. Open your eyes and see all the Hate, and ignorance, and lack of manners and selfishness, and children copying so called-behaviour and then growing up to gun down classmates, or con other children into child pornography and VICIOUS slander to keep the the Spirit of their unwelcoming (UNLESS YOUR RELATED TO SOMEONE HERE) Community alive.
Also for all the gender bashing going on, Dr.Morgenteler is one of the men who stood up for the rights of women. He thought of more then just himself. He also, in case those who don't know, witnessed what happened to his relatives and friends of the Holocaust, and their rights and dignity and lives stripped away all in the name of Hate and genocide.
So therefore I can see the benefits of why children should not be brought forth and really if those who are against abortion want to keep up this B.S. of we need to procreate and it's so immoral, please could you get a grip? The world is running out of fossil fuels and now food and maybe soon water and when the oil dries up and the enviroment changes it won't matter how many of us breed will it?
Help the children that are alive and suffering.
Give the Doctor his medal already. | |
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| Should Dr. Henry Morgenthaler should receive the Order of Canada?
Posted: 2/16/2008 5:47:24 PM | I think he absolutely should receive the Order of Canada, he has stood up for what he believes in and at great risk/danger to himself. He has not backed down, even when he was imprisoned, when his clinic was bombed etc. Regardless of whether you personally agree or disagree with abortion, women ARE going to abort, legal or not. It's better to be legal and as safe as it can be. I personally watched my best friend almost die of an illegal abortion in the early 80's, I tried to stop her from doing it but she wouldn't listen. She got an infection and they did not expect her to live. Fortunately, she did.
To those who say Morgentaler is in it for the money, bovine excrement. There are many other specialties that would pay more and have less hassle from the govt and public. He obviously truly believes in a woman's right to choose abortion (happy, Mr M?). | |
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| Should Dr. Henry Morgenthaler should receive the Order of Canada?
Posted: 2/16/2008 7:16:02 PM | ^^^ good dawd almighty...you nuts? He made a mint! Clinics in every major city. Thousands of articles bascially giving him "free advertising". Still making a good buck! Are there easier ways? Maybe...but he earned his the way he wanted to and makes no bones about it.
Does the guy deserve a medal? Maybe. It isn't up to those against him...but those who were for him.
Abortion laws kind of suck....the dad hasn't got a say! But, take it to term...again he has no say...he's gonna pay. So, either way, males are cut out of the loop one way or another.
{Shrug}...hey..it is ONLY the Order of Canada....not really world recognized or anything, so who really cares? | |
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| Should Dr. Henry Morgenthaler should receive the Order of Canada?
Posted: 2/16/2008 8:12:15 PM | For me it comes down to this.
Should women have the right to self determination?
Hell yes!
No laws negating a women's choice in Canada, a maze of them in the US, ....Canada has half the per-capita abortion rate.
Order of Canada?
Damn right, more than half our population is women, and Morgenthaler was integral in having their rights to SELF DETERMINATION recognized.
It's that simple. | |
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| Should Dr. Henry Morgenthaler should receive the Order of Canada?
Posted: 2/16/2008 11:09:39 PM | Oh puh-lease!! Women have self determination without abortion. It's called using your brain, and preventing pregnancy in the first place. Abortion is publicly funded irresponsibility. It's a disgusting form of birth control for women by their own choice find themselves in an embarassing or lousy position. Incest and rape? Um, yeah, what's the stats on that for abortion? Negligeable compared to those who weren't smart enough before spreading their legs.
Seeing as we can say that children shouldn't be born to bad breeders, can't we say that women so irresponsible to get pregnant when they don't want to, deserve to die in alleyways?
In this country contraceptives are so easily available, abortion shouldn't be necessary. The fact that we consider it a right is irrational. | |
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| Should Dr. Henry Morgenthaler should receive the Order of Canada?
Posted: 2/16/2008 11:18:27 PM | Actually, The majority of women who are choosing (love that word) to have an abortion are women in their mid 20's and upto their 40's. Women who already have had their children and don't wish to bring another child into the world.
Call a Pro Choice clinic and they will tell you the stats of the women who seek their services. Of course there are still women who are raped, and forced into incest and teens getting pregnant. But teen pregnancy is quite low compared to many years ago.
I've always wondered why complete strangers would have so much interest in another strangers uterus?  | |
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| Should Dr. Henry Morgenthaler should receive the Order of Canada?
Posted: 2/16/2008 11:59:57 PM | Contraceptives are not 100% effective, and many people wind up using them improperly. One little bladder infection is enough to put someone on birth control in sketchy territory, especially if they aren't aware that other medications can severely inhibit how effective it is.
My ex. wound up miscarrying a pregnancy even though we always used condoms, she always took birth control, and she absolutely did not want to have children. | |
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| Should Dr. Henry Morgenthaler should receive the Order of Canada?
Posted: 2/17/2008 12:33:03 AM | Abortion is publicly funded irresponsibility.
Nobody is going to force you to have one. If you don't want one, don't get one.
But your opinion does not extend as far as the bodies of all other women.
Modulo some divine right the inverse would be true and people could tell you what is or isn't going to happen to your body.
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| Should Dr. Henry Morgenthaler should receive the Order of Canada?
Posted: 2/17/2008 5:09:36 PM | I've been Pro-Choice for as long as I've been old enough to understand the issues. I think Morgenthaler started making the news regularly when I was in my early teens. However, I accept that this is a very controversial issue and quibbling over whether my opposites on this debate are "Anti-Abortion" or "Pro-Life" is just small minded.
I have a lot of respect for the Pro-Life people who take a stand. If someone truly believed that it was Murder... that pregnant women and their Medical Clinic Accomplices were killing babies... then why aren't they doing something about it? Carrying pickets? writing letters? preaching alternative choices like adoption? People who do this have my respect. Of course, the few extremists who use violence and murder to further their cause are hypocrites and get only contempt from me.
To be honest... while I am Pro-Choice, I am also anti-abortion. I believe that it should be a last resort method, and ideally for medical reasons, or reasons that were out of the pregnant woman's control. This is one of the reasons the current Abstinence Only education that's being taught in the states is so abhorrent to me. Canada offers comprehensive sex education and reasonable access to abortion. The States have an archaic sex education and make it insanely difficult to get an abortion... but the abortion per capita in Canada is half what it is in the states? Obviously, something's wrong in the U.S. of A.
Also... let's talk about "easy access" to abortion. A woman of my acquaintance was date-raped about 10 years ago. She didn't press charges because she figured it was her dumb-ass move to get drunk with someone she didn't really know/trust, but she did get pregnant and had no interest in spawning with this miscreant. Trying to get an abortion in a small city was met with resistance and hostility. She had to come to a big city to get access. I've known a few other women who needed abortions for an assortment of reasons. However, the only one who found absolutely no resistance was one who was told that her baby was developing without a brain; the doctor who broke the news to her was scheduling her for an "evacuation" as he told her.
Now... Dr. Morgenthaler. I don't quite get him. Maybe he's made a lot of money doing what he's doing, and maybe he hasn't. It strikes me as slightly crazy to put your name out there as an abortion crusader. Even if it is profitable... even if you are earning the gratitude of people who are vocally (or quietly) pro-choice... you're making your medical reputation as a "baby killer." I think he could have made at least as much money if he'd gone into plastic surgery, without ever getting arrested or publicly reviled. | |
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| Should Dr. Henry Morgenthaler should receive the Order of Canada?
Posted: 2/17/2008 7:17:34 PM |
Pro-lifers=Anti-abortionists. They just give themselves a positive name so that they dont sound so harsh.
I'll start calling them pro-lifers when they (personally without gov't assistance) take responsibility for every unwanted child in the country.
I'll start calling them pro-lifers when they started funding university educations for the children of single parents.
Nice post garnet73...
I think he could have made at least as much money if he'd gone into plastic surgery, without ever getting arrested or publicly reviled.
AND without spending time in jail, paying hundreds of thousands of dollars on defense lawyers and spending 20 years of his life fighting for the rights of women. | |
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| Should Dr. Henry Morgenthaler should receive the Order of Canada?
Posted: 2/17/2008 10:31:44 PM |
Abortion laws kind of suck....the dad hasn't got a say! But, take it to term...again he has no say...he's gonna pay. So, either way, males are cut out of the loop one way or another.
First, I love how some guy always turns this issue (or any issue involving women's rights) into "poor men... we're so oppressed!". They forget the centuries.. nay.. millenia that women have been oppressed and subjected to the will of men. Yet they can't handle, what, a measely 40 years of women having rights and being liberated? And you think you're the superior race (you, general. Not you specific).
As for the subject: I disagree with using abortion as a method of birth control. If you are so irresponsible as to consistently not use some form of protection (condom at the bare minimum) then frankly, you have no business participating in the act that got you pregnant in the first place. And for the women who are in their 40s, with children already and don't want anymore? Get your man a vasectomy; it's a far less complicated procedure with faster healing times than for you to get your girls tied. Solves your problem right there (so long as you don't do the nasty until something like 3 weeks later). Not wanting to bring another life into the world is no excuse for not being adult enough to take precautions against it. Using the operating room like a revolving door is disgusting; sure you're executing your right but don't you think you could be a little more - oh I don't know - responsible?
There are some cases, and actually more than you realize, where an abortion is necessary; in utero fetal demise, gross abnormalities (and I'm talking beyond simple Down syndrome), massive complications etc. etc. etc. Talk to a high risk obstetrician if you're really that curious, I'm sure he could tell you all you need to know.
Do I think the man deserves a medal? That isn't up for me to decide. If he didn't do what he did, someone else would have. Did he profit off of it? Show me one person who fought for anything on this kind of scale and didn't profit. Seems rather shallow and pig-headed to get upset because he profited from it; they all do. There isn't one person who advocates for something on this big a scale that doesn't profit.
Are women's rights important? Yes. They most certainly are. It's about time we shrugged off the shroud of this prehistoric patriarchal society and stepped into the future where men and women are on even footing - and if men can't handle that well, tough titty. | |
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