| | Are Caucasians decendents of Arabs ?Page 1 of 8 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8) | A friend of mine explained to me that Caucasians are actually direct dependents of Arabs that originated in the middle east and migrated north past the Caucus mountains hence the word Caucasians. Now this friend of mine though very articulate but I would not call him an expert. I asked another person and they said that theory is incorrect that Caucasians originated from Europe. I hope I'm not stirring the pot hear just curious. Really, if your a believer in evolution then you would agree that all mankind had a starting point and just migrated as they saw fit.
So I'd like to hear from other people, let me know what you think. | |
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| Are Caucasians decendents of Arabs ?
Posted: 2/28/2008 7:27:38 PM | Of course we were in europe at some point. This was in the middle of our migratory journey out of Africa. ALL PEOPLE COME FROM AFRICA. Just putting this there for the people that don't know. All of our ancestors are found there. From my knowledge, only Homo sapians and Neanderthals were found outside of Africa. Neanderthals being our cousins, not our grandfathers.
From my understanding this was about 50-70 thousand years ago. From Africa some migrated into the Middle East and Asia. I am far from an expert on the subject, but you can tell from the appearance of people as to how they migrated. Asians were our first explorers, and can be seen throughout the world from Polynesia to Hawaii, Korea, Vietnam, and even in America in the case of the American Indians.
Caucasians follow the European path through the Middle East. Some stayed put in the Middle East, while other migrated into Europe and Russia.
The key to understanding the evolution of the Homo sapian is understanding that first we all come from Africa. We all share common ancestry. Second, the reason we have subtle variations in appearance is from small periods of separated, localized evolution. This is the same type of variation that Darwin saw in the finches from the Galapagos islands.
This is a very basic showing, maybe someone can elaborate on it further. I would like to know more as well. | |
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Posted: 2/28/2008 8:30:21 PM | | Caucasians probably originated in Central Asia in the Afghanistan-Uzbekistan region and then expanded south and west from there. People usually think of Caucasians as "white" however many, perhaps most, Caucasians are not very light skinned. Caucasians are not descended from Arabs, however Arabs are Caucasians. | |
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Posted: 2/28/2008 8:37:07 PM | | When my friend mentioned that I couldn't put 2 and 2 together because you think Arabic you think of a person that would be very dark skinned but there are light skinned Arabic people some even have Nordic Caucasian traits like blue eyes which is not common but not impossible either | |
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timj82
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| Are Caucasians decendents of Arabs ?
Posted: 2/28/2008 8:53:44 PM | | We often see Caucasian used as synonymous for "White" however that is not accurate. As a racial group Caucasians include Northern Europeans, but it also includes many people from Central Asia, the majority of people on the Indian Sub-Continent, and the Mediterranean regions. Given the population of India today it is probably accurate to say that most Caucasians are not "white." | |
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Posted: 2/28/2008 9:02:55 PM |
ever notice how the Afghans look like Caucasians?
Here is a story about the famous "Afghan Girl" from the National Geographic cover.
http://www.famouspictures.org/mag/index.php?title=Afghan_Eyes_Girl | |
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| Are Caucasians decendents of Arabs ?
Posted: 2/29/2008 9:20:07 AM |
When my friend mentioned that I couldn't put 2 and 2 together because you think Arabic you think of a person that would be very dark skinned but there are light skinned Arabic people some even have Nordic Caucasian traits like blue eyes which is not common but not impossible either
Arabs are not a race. They are a cultural/language group.
Semites could be considered a race, perhaps, but I've never thought them particularly dark-skinned. On the other hand, I wouldn't assume they're an offshoot of Caucasians.
In any event, white-skinned people are thought to have originated from the area of the Caucasus (hence the name) then spread elsewhere. I'm sure there are as many theories as there are people who seriously study this, but I think that's the most widely-accepted view. | |
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Posted: 2/29/2008 9:32:01 AM | Oops missed the main question... Could Caucasians be an offshoot of Semites?
It's possible, I suppose, given their locations and relatively close looks - but I don't know the current thinking. | |
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Nergal
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| Are Caucasians decendents of Arabs ?
Posted: 2/29/2008 10:37:11 AM | From Wiki
The Caucasian race, sometimes called the Caucasoid race,[1][2] is defined by the Compact Oxford English Dictionary of Current English as "relating to a broad division of humankind covering peoples from Europe, western Asia, and parts of India and North Africa" or "white-skinned; of European origin" or "relating to the region of the Caucasus in SE Europe".[3] The concept originated in attempts chiefly by 19th-century European thinkers to develop a method of racial classification. This typological method was discredited and the concept is not relied on in scientific work related to humans.[4][5] People in Europe, especially in Russia and nearby, generally use the term "Caucasian" exclusively to identify people who are from the Caucasus region or who speak the Caucasian languages.
So its a misomer really. | |
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Posted: 2/29/2008 3:32:42 PM | Well, if we talk of Causasians colloquially, we are referring to Indians and Europeans, all of which are supposed to have migrated in successive waves from the Middle Eastern basin, upwards to the general area of the Caucasus, and from there North and East to Russia, and West to Europe, from the Middle East again, West to North Africa, and South to India.
It is possible to migrate from Africa direct to Europe, but you'd have to cross the Mediterranean. Also, this migration would have had to have occurred before Roman times, because Europe was already populated by then.
The general migration of tribes in Europe, such as the Celts, and the various Germanic tribes, always paints a pattern of migration that comes from Eastern Europe and Asia Minor (Turkey). So the people of Europe appear to have slowly migrated in successive waves, which work backwards to Eastern Europe and Asia Minor. But the ancient peoples of Eastern Europe and Asia Minor have similar successive waves of migration tracing back to the Middle Eastern basin (Iraq). The only exception is that the peoples of Greece appear to have taken to the sea, and re-entered the coastal regions of Middle East, and even stretched into the coastal regions of North Africa, via the sea. But even the Greeks can be traced back to the Middle Eastern Basin.
Africa is a little more complicated, because we are entirely reliant on what is evidentiary methods that don't include a historical record, which is incredibly surprising considering just how quickly a historical record existed in the Middle East from colonisation. | |
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Posted: 2/29/2008 4:29:03 PM | DNA has shown the path we took with little if any margin of error. It was out of Africa and the Mediterranean was not an obstacle. Some of the first to see America were from France by way of the Atlantic coastline who migrated as far as Peru, if I remember correctly, approx 20,000 years ago.
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Posted: 2/29/2008 4:44:04 PM | | I read somewhere that the Celts had a caste system similar to the system found in India and the some believe them to have common origins. We do know that the Celts resided in Asia Minor, so it's not too far of a stretch to suspect they may have been connected to the Indians. Modern DNA testing could probably confirm or rule out that theory. | |
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Nergal
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Nergal
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| Are Caucasians decendents of Arabs ?
Posted: 2/29/2008 4:59:27 PM |
DNA has shown the path we took with little or any margin of error. It was out of Africa and the Mediterranean was not an obstacle. Some of the first to see America were from France by way of the Atlantic coastline who migrated as far as Peru, if I remember correctly, approx 20,000 years ago.
That idea is a matter of hot debate among anthropologists and so far it seems that most still fall on the side of an Asia only migration to America. However there is some MtDNA evidence which suggests that there is also a European connection, as well as similarities between the American Clovis and European Solutrean stone technology. Personally I believe that there is a good possibility that some prehistoric Europeans managed to make it to America | |
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Posted: 2/29/2008 6:06:36 PM | | When I was growing up, my grandmother told me legends about red headed Indians on the plains of North America. In eastern Oklahoma, there is a state park with runes carved into it. This is not a hoax; but when the united states began to resettle the Cherokee nation into Oklahoma, They documented the discovery in the early 1800's. Recently, excavations have revealed that blondes and red heads have been found in China, and in Japan, the Ainu (also considered caucasions) occupied the island. I suspect that a variety of ethnic and racial groups have migrated to many areas on the earth | |
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Posted: 2/29/2008 9:37:34 PM | ....the word 'caucasian' has more of political definition than anything else, but for simplicity i'll refer to it as a taxonomic term.
.......the forerunners of 'caucasians' emanated from the high altitudes of present day northern india, pakistan, afghanistan, (aka Aryans).......which in turn migrated to these mountainous regions from the plains of India.....in doing so they slowly lost their pigmentation (as it would be expected) since the climate is considerably cooler.
....as populations grew they then migrated outward(in multiple directions) into the low lands, very likely in stages...........there may have been clusters of these pple who moved eastward but did not thrive there as well(though some may have ended up as far as Japan, but i'm not sure of what recent DNA testing has concluded)..... as there were some who moved northward towards n.central russia..........and most notably there was a group that moved westward, probably coming in from multiple directions............and it was this group that may have branched out and settled into smaller pockets.....some stopped as close as present day Iran, others moved onward into what now is turkey as well as in the arabian penunsula.......yet others may have gone from Iran through the Caucases (or around them)into western russia and then into northern europe.
...the group of Aryans that headed into asia minor may have eventually colonized the lands surrounding the mediterranean........while the group coming in from russia went on to occupy most of the northern european landscape......as they migrated, each evolved to suit their environment giving them the distinct superficial differences that we see today. | |
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| Are Caucasians decendents of Arabs ?
Posted: 2/29/2008 10:12:40 PM | | Not sure, but watch the movie True Romance. There's a good scence between Dennis Hopper and Christopher Walken concerning something very similar to your question. | |
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Posted: 3/1/2008 4:19:22 AM |
When my friend mentioned that I couldn't put 2 and 2 together because you think Arabic you think of a person that would be very dark skinned but there are light skinned Arabic people some even have Nordic Caucasian traits like blue eyes which is not common but not impossible either
Some of this is due to the fact that the Nordic would hop in their boats and raise hell all over the place during the middle ages. Central Europe has people that have Asian characteristic left over from the Gengis & the boys. Pure single race people in the Northern Hemisphere for the most part doesn't exist. We've been raping and pillaging each other far too long for that to be possible. | |
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Posted: 3/1/2008 9:08:43 AM | Long before anyone knew of DNA physical and social scientists as well as politicians broke all of mankind into three races: Negroid, Mongoloid, and Caucasian. Negroid was the easiest to pigeon hole, it included everyone who was black. However they always did have trouble explaining how black people ended up in Australia and New Guinea. Mongoloid included all East Asians and Native Americans, and some anthropologists did include the black skinned people from Australia. From the start the Caucasians presented classification problems. Including all of the light skinned northern Europeans was easy, however the farther east and south one looked the skin became darker while the Caucasian facial features remained the same.
Some held the belief that the light skinned Europeans represented the "pure" Caucasian race and that those with darker skin were the result of racial pollution from the other two races. That resulted in laws which prohibited marriages between races and during the first half of the last century Eugenics (racial hygiene) became quite popular.
Fortunately mankind is starting to outgrow those old fashioned racial ideas and recent science is showing that what had been thought to be pure is actually a rather complex genetic soup. The old classifications still do have some use. Physical and forensic anthropologist can look at bones and get some idea of what a person looked like and where they may have been from. But if we go back to our two thousandth or so great-grandfather we are all related, and he's black. | |
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Posted: 5/18/2008 2:19:53 AM | In regard to migration of Red haired people..
I seem to remember that a version of peoples moved on by the Moguls about the 13 th Centuary included a race of red haired ,people moved out of the northerly easterly asian region..
Perhaps they resided there,and migrated over to North America.. | |
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| Are Caucasians decendents of Arabs ?
Posted: 5/19/2008 5:59:07 PM | Well, I am Greek, Turk, Libyan and Brasilian, and I DONT consider myself "Caucasian", and neither do most "Caucasians" I know consider me one of their kind.
The popular definition of "Caucasion" has been changed, blurred, and redefined in lilly white 21st century North America. The classifications have socially morphed and THAT is what you/we deal with in our lifetime.
Years of being singled out and treated differently led me to the point I am today as someone who quite doesnt fit into "Caucasian" North America. I accept the "Middle-Eastern" moniker readily. Unfortunately, there STILL are stark differences in races and ethnic groups.
Blacks do not realise this difference. Most blacks I have had contact with look at race in a black and white binary spectrum only. If you are not black, then you are either Euro white or Asian to most of them. There is no other view.
In actuality, many blacks have more Caucasian "white" blood in them than I do. I am roughly the same skin tone as Obama or Beyonce`, for example, but they are considered black, while I would certainly be lumped into the white category by both of them , I bet, even though I have North African blood. That is just plain wrong to me, so yes, call me Middle-eastern, because I am certainly not "Caucasian" enough to fit the definition of mainstream North America.
We can argue semantics all day, but at the end of that day, I am classified differently than Mr. Germano-Anglo, who is considered mainstream Caucasian. That is it, in a stereotypical nutshell, with or without scientific notation.
To put it another way, as I am getting the crap slapped out of me in an alley by skinheads, I am quite sure that claiming "fellow Caucasian" will not cause them to cease and desist. | |
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| Are Caucasians decendents of Arabs ?
Posted: 5/19/2008 9:19:22 PM |
A friend of mine explained to me that Caucasians are actually direct dependents of Arabs
That is why we need to get rid of our SUVs and gas guzzling vehicles!
But I don't think we should restrict this to Caucasians. | |
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Vancer
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| Are Caucasians decendents of Arabs ?
Posted: 5/19/2008 9:37:01 PM | | I always thought Caucasians were originally immigrants whose features slowly changed due to an attempt at balancing out the depressing, cloudy, rainy, cold miserable climates they ended up in. | |
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