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| Why is Hillary losing? [Thread Closed]
Posted: 3/1/2008 5:34:15 PM | The most intriguing story this election cycle is how Hillary Clinton, after being the prohibitive favorite for the Democratic nomination for 5 years, is now on the verge of losing to Barack Obama. Hillary is intelligent; has experience; and has extensive political connections. However, those assets aren't translating sufficiently into votes.
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/1/2008 6:02:35 PM | I agree with Evnsteven on this one.
I am middle of the road politically-but would probably tend to lean GOP for some reasons I won't get into that here in the interest of NOT side tracking the thread. All that being said, she has run one of the most negative campaigns I can remember in a long time, assailing Obama the entire time. I understand it's politics, and I understand she is competing with him right now more than the McCain, but from the beginning her campaign has been just downright negative, and getting worse the more she falls behind.
It's one thing to be negative about issues of substance-for example, to say that Obama doesn't have experience. I could overlook that stuff. But some of the penny ante stuff that they've tried to tear him down on, like that he used parts of someone else's speech (uhm, doesn't everyone know that most politicians don't write a lot of their own stuff anyway?), or that he sold his house to a reputed crime lord, etc- I could go on-I won't. You get the picture.
Personally, again claiming my mostly neutral position- I don't really think either one of them is qualified. But as far as the two of them is concerned, he seems to be going about his business, and she seems like she's desperate and attacking him on things that most of us don't care about.
I don't think she's losing-I think she's all but lost. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/1/2008 7:22:17 PM | It's not that she's losing, it's that Obama is winning... HE is the one who is younger, more attractive, more charismatic... he's more like a celebrity... and we all worship celebrities... don't we?
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timj82
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Joined: 11/16/2007
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/1/2008 7:24:27 PM | | Hillary will probably threaten to run for president as an independent if she loses the Democratic nomination | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/1/2008 8:13:37 PM |
more charismatic... he's more like a celebrity... and we all worship celebrities... don't we
Not really, to be an official Americain celebrity now don't you have to spend something along the lines of at LEAST two weeks in rehab? | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/1/2008 10:52:37 PM | @spitfire
Hillary is intelligent; has experience; and has extensive political connections.
..........intelligent?....are you serious!........Hilary is crafty and shrewd but not intelligent!..there is nothing that she has done which would demonstrate raw intelligence!...as NYS senator, she has been guided by senior senator (D) Chuck Schumer, and has gone along with the 'flow'...she studies popularity polls and then defines herself based on that.... and changes her position based on similar fluctuations!
...experience?...doing what!....does being a first-lady' give her enough experience, and being elected NYS senator (a stepping stone job!) give her experience?...you could say someone like Ted Kennedy, Joe Biden or Joe Lieberman has experience but not her!
.....political connections?...which ones, and for who's benefit!.......what do you think Hilary would have to do in exchange for favors coming from these "connections"?
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who is she truly?.........simply an opportunist who managed to piggy-back herself into the political realm by way of husband's success, without whom she would just be a faint glitch in the average person's mind!
Hilary is losing NOT because of a superior competitor (obama) because he has no experience either!.......she is losing because she has a poor believability-index!
Neither one of the Dems are truly experienced enuff....the only one with any measure of experience was John Edwards, but the american voters choose to go with the charismatic types!.........this is because the US voter/s suffer from the 'pop-star politician syndrome'. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/1/2008 11:19:18 PM | he's more like a celebrity... and we all worship celebrities... don't we?
I'm not so sure it's so much that, they're both celebritues you'd take a picture of if you had a camera and they were around.
But when I see the kinds of things Hillary says in the paper I go "ok, yup" but when I see the kinds of things Obama says I go "Ohhhh, nice one". He just seems a lot smarter.
Being one of the few guys to vote no on invading Iraq goes a long way, too. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/1/2008 11:45:12 PM | "The most intriguing story this election cycle is how Hillary Clinton, after being the prohibitive favorite for the Democratic nomination for 5 years, is now on the verge of losing to Barack Obama. Hillary is intelligent; has experience; and has extensive political connections. However, those assets aren't translating sufficiently into votes.
Why is Hillary losing the nomination?"
She's losing because she's shown more and more of her true self throughout this process. Her Ad tonight that has been run '3:00am' was a scare tactic and Barack replied with respect and tact. As he's done through the entire race no matter what she's thrown his way or remarks she's made infering his race, lack of experience, and how she thinks she's so much more qualified than he is.
When, in fact, if you look into his past and his record and how long he's been working with and in the government, he has just as much experience as she does.
What she keeps throwing everyone's way is her friends and leaders she is well known to. She's well known to them because of her husband and his presidency, nothing more.
I don't want someone with 'experience' and one who claims to know so and so, I want someone who isn't crooked, been rocked with scandal, and genuinely wants to make a change and who's actually stirring hope in the hearts of Americans, and he's doing that very thing. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/2/2008 5:00:18 AM | ^^Some good answers above.
I think the biggest reason Hillary is losing is because of bad strategy throughout the campaign. She's made a number of huge, strategic blunders. Hillary underestimated her opponents (not just Obama, but everyone) and actually seemed to think that the nomination process would be over at Super Tuesday. Hillary hired a person (Patti Solis Doyle) to be her campaign manager who told Hillary at the outset that she wouldn't be able to remain in the position throughout the campaign season. Also, as a poster on the thread already said, Hillary's emphasis on her experience doesn't resonate for many voters. Chris Dodd, Joe Biden, and other Democrat former Presidential candidates in this election cycle have a lot more experience than Hillary does. More importantly, John McCain also has much more experience than both Hillary and Obama. Working the "experience" angle was probably not Hillary's best gambit. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/2/2008 5:45:24 AM | | Obama is an empty suit. He likely will win the Dem nomination but he will lose in November. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/2/2008 6:06:58 AM | Yes, the answer is very simple, as Evnstevn said, she is just not likeable at all, there is zero charisma & likeability and in my opinion she's too arrogant & overconfident. You can be brilliant, but if not likeable, there is no way to win people.
Also, I don't think the past scandals, as old as they may be, that they have escaped people's minds and I am not just talking about her philandering husband as she herself, was involved in many of the scandals that turned the White House as someone put it, into a "sleazy circus sideshow"...to name a few, Cattlegate, Travelgate, Vince Fostergate, Watergate.... | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/2/2008 6:23:23 AM | | Hillary's effort at running on the message of 'Change' didn't resonate with the voters. That message seems far more credible wtih Obama. Her husband was the President before this one so where's the big change. "Change Back" is what everyone is hearing. Obama figured this out and started going with the "Hope" campaign and that says what kind of change he wants to bring. 'Change' for the future instead of 'change' from the present. Her whole sarcastic spew about "the heaven's are giong to open up and celestial choirs..." underscored her concern with the optimism that Obama supporters feel. She did herself a disservice with that stunt because she was mocking the hope that America could be united. She showed her true 'polarizing' colors. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/2/2008 6:34:06 AM | I still don't understand why she's leading in Ohio. Maybe I'll find out on Tuesday.
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/2/2008 8:33:05 AM | Because Obama is promising everyone will have healthcare, a great job, the whole world will love us, terrorists will disappear into thin air, and best of all it won't cost anything except for those "rich" people who didn't work for what they have so it's ok to take it from them.
Or as I truely suspect, most if not all democrats are idiots. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/2/2008 9:02:11 AM |
Obama is an empty suit. He likely will win the Dem nomination but he will lose in November,
If McCain had any chance of drawing Dems or Inds, that might hold more water. But as it stands now, I'd bet on an Obama blow out.
Or as I truely suspect, most if not all democrats are idiots.
Interesting. If I truely believed the same about Republicans, and I have more to support it with the guys you offer us, I'd keep it to myself.
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/2/2008 10:02:32 AM | Exactly as simlasa said.....
It's not that Hillary is losing but that Obama is winning.
Hillary voted for the war. Anyone who voted for the war will carry that like an anvil around their neck.
Obama is charismatic and a great public speaker.
Don't even talk about experience. When it comes to the presidency, experience means nothing. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/2/2008 10:03:00 AM | 1) Hillary began to lose b/c she is a policy wonk, not a leader. A policy wonk helps you solve problems AFTER you are inspired to solve them. A leader has charisma, to inspire you to solve your problems not cry in your beer, and then leads you to the solution. Bill had both, which is why people notice his wife doesn't--even if voters notice in subconsiously, not consciously.
2) Voters are desperate for something new. They are losing houses, paying more for gas--it truly is the economy, stupid. As Hillary continued to lose--and Bill in desperation started his attacks--she appeared to be nothing more than more of the same. While Obama looks forward, she ran on her past history. If people wanted attacking politicians, they'd follow whoever hired Karl Rove. If they wanted to repeat the past 4 years, they'd vote a Republican back in.
People will, right now, follow an empty suit in hopes it will pull something good out its pockets. the problem will be, what will voters do if the empty suit has empty pockets as well? Voters think they know Hillary based on what Rush Limbaugh et al told them a long time ago. she's lived up to, unfortunately. Joining the Senate hasn't (white)washed her image enough.
3) People continue to be desperate for change, as they realize prices will only go up, not down. Hillary, we know, will follow the pattern in Iraq. As she loses her voice, she just seems more shrill. She's like Bob Dole, who's claim to the throne was only, "Hey, I've been waiting long enough for it!" No one thinks the Oval Office is owed to anyone, that it has to be earned instead. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/2/2008 11:58:14 AM | | She's losing because she's the second best candidate in the race. Personally I would have put most of the Democratic field ahead of her - it was an extraordinarily strong field going in. But more voters liked her than Biden, Edwards, Richardson etc. And more voters like Obama than her. | |
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Joined: 11/9/2007
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/2/2008 12:29:18 PM | | Hillary is losing because Obama is saying what the American public wants to hear. His Obamanomics and platform of "change" is something we all want to hear. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/2/2008 12:34:28 PM | I think Obama's wife used the word 'really' instead of 'finally'. And I think we'd be lucky to have someone like him as our president. As always, your mileage may vary.
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/2/2008 12:37:40 PM | How many former presidents or cantidates belonged to Waspy white only churches?
i doubt Bill was the first politician to play around and wont be the last. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/2/2008 12:57:53 PM | As an Independent voter, I'm finding the upcoming matchup a lot more interesting than I imagined it would be.
Hillary gets both a boost and a drag from her association with Bill. Her First Lady experience is a less than compelling reason to vote for her, along with those vaunted 'connections'. She is a slick, practiced, politician, a veteran of political battles since her college days, and every step she's taken since moving out of the White House seems pretty calculated, starting with her "carpet bagging" move to New York. Her vote for the war in Iraq, followed up by her support for withdrawal doesn't sit well with voters who didn't buy into the WMD or terrorist incentives in the first, or second, place. Obama's refusal to follow the crowd makes him stand out, and I credit him for daring to buck the trend.
I'm surprised that none of the pundits have taken to calling her "Slick Hilly".
I endorse..."None of the Above"...Brewster's Millions style. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/2/2008 1:18:16 PM | | She has a monkey on her back by the name of Bill! And her 35 years of experience just doesn’t add up. Obama doesn’t have any either he just puts on a better rock concert. | |
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| Why is Hillary losing?
Posted: 3/2/2008 3:11:23 PM | To quote a friend and Obama supporter like myself...
For those who think he lacks experience of any kind, or substance for that matter:
"You may not know what he's done, and I'm sure some won't LIKE what he's done, but if you want to ignore his rising against adversity (not notable?) to be President of the Harvard Law Review (not notable?) and the positive impact he had working as a community organizer on the south side of Chicago (not notable?) for whatever reason, well, that's your prerogative.
However, during the first (8) eight years of his elected service Barack Obama sponsored over 820 bills, including:
233 regarding healthcare reform,
125 on poverty and public assistance,
112 crime fighting bills,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
15 gun control,
6 veterans affairs and many others.
His first year in the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included:
The Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law),
The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law),
The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,
The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law),
The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee), and many more.
I'm not suggesting other Senators can't be a damn fine President. And like those financial prospectus warnings, past performance doesn't necessarily predict future outcomes - but I'm very impressed with the productive, often bi-partisan Obama "lack" of notable substance, myself." | |
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