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 novascotialass

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Posted: 3/2/2008 1:50:59 PM
First off, I'm not a physicist, so my understanding of motors and engines is quite limited, but someone in Ottawa thinks he has stumbled onto a unique discovery:

He's created a motor that does not slow down when it produces energy, it speeds up. He's been lambasted for referring it to as a perpetual motion machine (a bit of a misnomer), but he does believe that if perfected it could be used to create vehicles and energy sources that no longer rely on oil.

Besides finding this extremely interesting from an environmental viewpoint, I also found it interesting that this poor man gave up his family and job to pursue this dream because he believes that it may be an alternative to our relying on fossil fuels, which would eliminate the wars over this resource. And now someone has even threatened his life for using the term perpetual motion machine. How ironic, that someone who has the potential to change the World for the better has had so many obstacles to overcome. He claims he will persevere because of his belief that it if he is successful the World will be a more peaceful place.

Last week I visited the Biosphere in Montreal. It's a sphere that now houses a museum dedicated to a modern-day Leonardo Davinci (Bucky they called him), someone who devoted his life to inventing environmentally friendly inventions. He found a way to build incredibly strong dome-shaped houses that were more energy efficient than the ones we currently have and could be built at half the cost. However, he was stopped from manufacturing them because of "obstacles" and building regulations. In fact, overcoming obstacles proved to prevent him from keeping any of his inventions to coming to fruition in the marketplace.

What does all of this say about our Society, that we turn our backs on those who can really make a difference to this World and we offer no or very little support to encourage them to succeed?

I just found it interesting but at the same time upsetting.
 Stonestongue

Joined: 5/18/2006
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Posted: 3/2/2008 2:43:14 PM

What does all of this say about our Society, that we turn our backs on those who can really make a difference to this World and we offer no or very little support to encourage them to succeed?


It says to me that we need to keep posting things like this on various forums and help spread the word... The oppressors aren't going to do it for us.

The money hungry want everything broken down before they market it... That way they have 2 or 3 "new and improved" versions already made.

We know we need to stop using oil now but it seems like the ones in power wish to wait for catastrophy hits before major change is made... They wanna use up every drop.

The majority of us do nothing because we simply don't know... The more people who talk about this stuff, the more fire it will generate in our hearts and when the majority of good hearted people see it's possible to make this world a better place, we will see rapid change.

Really, we're already seeing it happen with solar businesses and other green businesses... Going green is actually the "in" thing to do right now... Finally, a trend I can get into... Let's hope it grows on us all.
 raraavis41

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Posted: 3/2/2008 3:13:15 PM
There will always be a market for a better mousetrap... once the benefits are clearly shown to outweigh the drawbacks. This is from the Wikipedia entry on geodesic domes:

As a housing system the dome can have numerous drawbacks and problems:

The shape of a dome house makes it difficult to conform to code requirements for placement of sewer vents and chimneys. Off-the-shelf building materials (e.g., plywood, strand board) normally come in rectangular shapes; there can be considerably more scrap, left from cutting rectangles down to triangles, than with a conventional building approach, thus driving costs up. Fire escapes are problematic; codes require them for larger structures, and they are expensive. Windows conforming to code can cost anywhere from five to fifteen times as much as windows in conventional houses. Professional electrical wiring costs more because of increased labor time. However, even owner-wired situations are costly, because more of certain materials are required for dome construction.

Air stratification and moisture distribution within a dome are unusual, and these conditions tend to quickly degrade wooden framing or interior paneling. Privacy is difficult to guarantee because a dome is difficult to partition satisfactorily. Sounds, smells, and even reflected light tend to be conveyed through the entire structure.

As with any sloping shape, the dome produces wall areas that can be difficult to use and leaves some peripheral floor area with restricted use due to lack of headroom. This can leave a volume that may require heating – representing a cost in energy – but that cannot be lived in. Circular plan shapes lack the simple modularity provided by rectangles. Furnishers and fitters usually design with flat surfaces in mind, and so placing a standard sofa (for example) results in a half-moon behind the sofa being wasted. This is best overcome by purpose-built fittings, though it adds to cost.

Dome builders using cut-board sheathing materials find it hard to seal domes against rain, because of their many seams; as well, these seams may be stressed because ordinary solar heat flexes the entire structure each day as the sun moves across the sky.

The most effective waterproofing method with a wooden dome is to shingle the dome. One-piece reinforced concrete or plastic domes are also in use, and some domes have been constructed from plastic or waxed cardboard triangles that are overlapped in such a way as to shed water. Buckminster Fuller's former student J. Baldwin states that there is no reason for a properly designed, well-constructed dome to leak, and that some designs cannot leak (Bucky Works: Buckminster Fuller's Ideas for Today). However, Lloyd Kahn, after writing two books on the subject (Domebook 1 and Domebook 2), became disillusioned with domes. He calls domes "smart but not wise" [2], and has collected many of the criticisms given above.


There was one dome house built locally many years ago but it has already been torn down. I heard it was because of the leaking roof problem.

And as far as a motor that increases speed as energy is taken from it... that would be a definition of a perpetual motion machine. Without any further details on how the motor works and what energy inputs it receives, then I would have to agree that physics does not allow more energy to be taken out of a system than what goes in (or already contains).


What does all of this say about our Society, that we turn our backs on those who can really make a difference to this World and we offer no or very little support to encourage them to succeed?

Don't blame society in these two instances. Government is funding alternative energy research and requiring power companies to have an ever increasing percentage of renewable in their power supplies.
 Boomstrike

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Posted: 3/2/2008 4:25:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogLeKTlLy5E
That's part 1 of several demo videos on youtube.

There's are reasons why nobody has ever been able to extract energy out of thin air. There have been thousands of claims of perpetual machines, all put forth by deluded charlatans. These people all think they're some sort of genius, but it's their lack of knowledge that makes them think so.
There are so many flaws in this guy's setup it's not funny. At best he has improved the efficiency of an inefficient motor, running under conditions in which the motor wasn't designed for, and that degrades it's efficiency tremendously. This guy should have finished his schooling. To think that he gave up his job and his family for his delusional endeavour is beyond comprehension.
 evnstevn

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Posted: 3/2/2008 4:36:46 PM
I don't understand why we haven't tapped ocean currents. A virtually endless source of energy.

 andysweden

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Posted: 3/2/2008 4:38:51 PM
Energy doesnt come from nowhere, the reason none of these breakthroughs ever seem to get anywhere is the fact they are infeasible.

The killer for some of them is simply that they run on some "new" fuel, that the inventor fails to work into the energy equation, ie that the refining process, actually burns more energy than the engine itself produces, therefore giving a negative energy output.

I love how all the conspiracy nutjobs come out of the woodwork with topics like this, just think of this. The vehicle manufacturers arent whacking people because they feel threatened, simple fact it, the invention sucks.

Ford, GM, Mercedes etc could and would buy up any viable invention, and then implement it in their new vehicles, making a fortune for themselves and the inventor.
Its the dream of every inventor.
 cocytus

Joined: 11/9/2007
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Posted: 3/2/2008 8:51:49 PM

perpetual energy and other promising inventions


Those are two term that shouldn't be used together in a sentence.
Unless that sentence is "There are no promising inventions that create perpetual energy."

Is perpetual energy possible?
Not involving any current scientific beliefs or technology.
Perhaps in the future...if mankind lives long enough.

Would an inventor who created something like this get "wacked?"
Maybe...but only by a company or group that would use his ideas to make themselves wealthy.
Or wealthier.

And they wouldn't "withhold" the idea from the public.
How would they make any money?
 bmark225

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Posted: 3/3/2008 7:47:03 AM
I wouldn't get too upset. If there is anything reasonbly useful here, someone will sort it out.

However, using the term perpetual motion machine is bad because it shows the ignorance of the person who is calling anything a perpetual motion machine. There is no such thing and it is described in the first two laws of thermodynamics. No machine can create energy from nothing. It has to come from somewhere and people have looked for several hundreds of years without finding one. So if someone claims to have one, scientists are very skeptical. (Scientists are really pretty skeptical anyway and that is a good thing.)
 Nergal

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Posted: 3/3/2008 1:04:53 PM
I came across this one one of the University websites the other day.



Inventors have tried to devise machines that work by themselves, and move without applied effort. The basic idea is to move a weight horizontally away from an axis, which requires much less effort than lifting the weight. The weight is then allowed to fall. At its lowest point, it is moved back closer to the axis, where an equal weight farther from the axis can lift it back up without external effort. Many means of doing this were proposed, and models built, but they all refused stubbornly to work. Some of us can see clearly that the falling of the weight can do a certain amount of work, but an equal amount of work must be spent to raise the weight to its original level, so the best we can do is break even. Inventors are led astray by the introduction of lever arms and torques, which do not change the situation. The principle of conservation of energy is so deeply engrained these days that it provides an irresistible refutation of any device that produces work with no other change in the universe. For most people, even scientists, it is accepted uncritically, like something said loudly three times before breakfast. However, the common observation that mechanical energy does seem to disappear without trace nourished the hope that perhaps the opposite also occurred. We can get energy from temperature differences, which is as close to perpetual motion as the universe comes. It is, in fact, the inverse to the disappearance of mechanical energy by friction. Oddly, it depends on the fact that matter is molecular, but that is another story!

Now that mechanics is so well known, perpetual motion is looked for in less well understood effects, involving electricity, magnetism or gravity, or fuels from water, and such like. The Dean Drive of a few decades ago was a vibrating device that was supposed to jump up more than it jumped down, so that it could propel a rocket without any external effect. The United States Patent Office will issue you a patent for perpetual motion. An early decision to throw out all such claims prima facie was reversed when a disappointed inventor shot a patent officer. Perpetual movers tend to be unbalanced, and it isn't worth human life.
 novascotialass

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Posted: 3/4/2008 5:44:28 PM
Thanks for all the responses.

I find the dome houses very interesting. I Googled the subject and found a report written by somehow who thought that dome houses might be the solution for the Katrina-ravaged south. Not sure whether his project took off, but it would have been an interesting place to pilot a new neighbourhood. A lot of the constraints mentioned by ravaavis seem to be due to our already having the infrastructure in place for rectangular buildings: the sewers and chimneys, for example, or even the cutting of triangular fixtures from rectangular lumber. Perhaps starting a community from scratch without any infrastructure in place would be a way to really test the durability and functionality of these types of homes. The question is, if we didn't have everything set up to accommodate our cookie-cutter homes, which type of home would be the more efficient to create? I don't have the answer to that, of course, but it is interesting.

Also noted by ravavis was that government is now funding alternative energy research. This is true and quite promising actually. For those who have been concerned about the environment (and stability in the middle East) for as long as I can remember, it is welcome, but too slow in coming.

I am still skeptical about the motivation of car manufacturers, however. If tomorrow we were able to invent an inexpensive, efficient, fuel-free engine, with little maintenance costs, those companies would be required to rebuild their manufacturing facilities and refit everything, not to mention the number of already-built vehicles that would be deemed worthless overnight. Those companies who could accommodate the change would be ok, but I imagine that it would cause great financial hardship at least in the short term.
 whenyer_strange

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Posted: 3/4/2008 9:16:07 PM

What does all of this say about our Society, that we turn our backs on those who can really make a difference to this World and we offer no or very little support to encourage them to succeed?
"Society" is created by "the masses," which have all the intelligence of a bunch of sheep. Unfortunately, there seems to be no cure for "society."
 Otto Bonn

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Posted: 3/4/2008 10:10:03 PM
I have an idea for what I call a Magnetic Compression Engine. It will combine an old, abandoned design with modern technology, sort of like what's been done with the Nipkow disc in Confocal Microscopy and the use of a motorized color wheel in some DLP televisions.

Also, a device that will take a certain kind of photographic negative and create an opening into the moment in time the photo was taken that will allow time travel.

Okay, the latter is more of a basis for a science fiction story.
 Alex82

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Posted: 3/5/2008 12:26:50 AM
read some non-fiction folks, everyone needs to wake up and realize that society as a whole is most definately sheep, and the laws of thermodynamics only apply to closed systems as well as the fact zero point energy IS NOT CONSERVED... all the institutions are arms of the global elite(the a$$holes that OWN YOU) so obviously they aren't going to tell you what you need to know to break free of the chains of slavery, look up some alex jones, read up on tesla(wardenclyff is not what you think it was) their are retiree's of the US gov that have stated anything you can imagine they've been there done that, starwars all that sh!t, look at the peroidic table of elements atleast half of the elements with no known stable elements the US has as stable elements in black projects i would imagine.

Permanent magnets only lose their strength when heated too much or are applied to a stronger magnetic field than their own, not to mention the fact they can lift upwards of 1300X their own weight, by no means is it anti-gravity but used properly it can provide us with immense power, you don't have to believe me but you'll see what i mean soon enough as the powers that be will have no way to suppress what i'll show you.

seriously read up on zero point energy and actually think about possibilities not just what the facts say.

Coral Castle is another good example of what is possible, according to every where i've looked it was built by one man that was shorter and lighter than myself, he was like 5'2"? and some of the blocks weigh a few ton.

Why is it that atop the pyramids there's about 450/v per m3 i think it was? hmm, could they be power plants that are harnessing earths harmonic frequency and sending it to space? or were they put there to be tapped by us?

question everything, just because someone says something doesn't mean they are unquestionably right or wrong(including myself) but you should definately look into matters with your own eyes and take a moment to think and come to your own realization of why we are here, why are we fighting eachother and why do we have a viewing budget of space of about 5% of the sky?(5% was arbitrary i admit but seriously we don't have a Fing clue as to whats out there)

yeah, this is abit of a rant but hell it needs to be heard everyone needs to question alot of things, Hemp isn't bad for you, infact there are labratory experiments that have concluded that delta-9 tetrahydracanibanol kills cancer cells in the brain while leaving normal braincells to function.

do some research, put down your fiction books and look at why shit works and you'll see answers(some you may not want to see)

ps, this is what happens when your single for a long time and have nothing else to do but read about what your interested in, i just happened to be interested in why shit is the way it is
 scorpiomover

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Posted: 3/5/2008 12:35:52 AM

He's created a motor that does not slow down when it produces energy, it speeds up. He's been lambasted for referring it to as a perpetual motion machine (a bit of a misnomer), but he does believe that if perfected it could be used to create vehicles and energy sources that no longer rely on oil.
I once watched a programme on a motor that ran on water, and could have replaced all need for motors that ran on oil. The inventor built it in the 1970s. He was approached by the Oil Companies and offered $1 billion simply for not publishing it. He wanted to help the world, so he refused. Then they threatened his life. Then attacks were made on his life. He was still in hiding, as his life was still threatened.

Last week I visited the Biosphere in Montreal. It's a sphere that now houses a museum dedicated to a modern-day Leonardo Davinci (Bucky they called him), someone who devoted his life to inventing environmentally friendly inventions. He found a way to build incredibly strong dome-shaped houses that were more energy efficient than the ones we currently have and could be built at half the cost. However, he was stopped from manufacturing them because of "obstacles" and building regulations. In fact, overcoming obstacles proved to prevent him from keeping any of his inventions to coming to fruition in the marketplace.
Well, I doubt that this is surprising. Most construction companies are set up to build rectangular homes. So they don't want to have competition. But look at the advantages:
Of course, like all domes, geodesic domes provide an enclosed space free of structural supports. Domes are very strong, actually getting stronger as they get larger. The basic structure can be erected very quickly from lightweight pieces by a small crew. Domes as large as fifty meters have been constructed in the wilderness from rough materials without a crane. The dome is also aerodynamic, so it withstands considerable wind loads, such as those created by hurricanes. Solar heating is possible by placing an arc of windows across the dome: the more heating needed, the wider the arc should be, to encompass more of the year.

Today there are many companies that sell both dome plans and frame material with instructions designed simply enough for owners to build themselves, and many do to make the net cost lower than standard construction homes. Construction techniques have improved based on real world feedback over sixty years and many newer dome homes can resolve nearly all of the disadvantages below that were more true of the early dome homes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodesic_dome

Think about that. You could build a dome that will survive a HURRICANE. And the bigger the building, the stronger it gets.
Also, from the same article:
Of all known structures made from linear elements, a geodesic dome has the highest ratio of enclosed volume to weight.
So it would be much cheaper to make than a regular house, and as the earlier quote showed, it would be much quicker to make.

But here's the real reason:
From an engineering perspective, geodesic domes are far superior to traditional right-angle post-and-beam constructions. Traditional constructions are a far less efficient use of materials, are far heavier, are less stable, and rely on gravity to stand up.

However, there are some notable drawbacks to geodesic constructions as well. Although extremely strong, domes react to external stresses in ways that confound traditional engineering.
There is no question it's better. But modern engineers just cannot get their heads around it. They just cannot grasp what Buckminster Fuller understood perfectly well. As a result, it is hard for construction companies to get an engineer to make them, and when they do, they cannot afford to pay them cheap wages, on the threat that if they want more money, they can be replaced. The same goes for labour. You cannot just hire anyone for dirt poor pay to build a dome. Plus, both construction companies and furniture companies are built around rectangular housing, so it would make competition for construction and furniture companies, and why would they want that?

It's just big business. If you want an idea to become popular, the best way is to make sure that the people who own the oil companies can make a fortune off it, to the detriment of billions. Otherwise, it's your livelihood against theirs, and when you threaten people's money, the knives come out. At least, that's my experience.
 Nergal

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Posted: 3/5/2008 1:23:22 AM

I once watched a programme on a motor that ran on water, and could have replaced all need for motors that ran on oil. The inventor built it in the 1970s. He was approached by the Oil Companies and offered $1 billion simply for not publishing it. He wanted to help the world, so he refused. Then they threatened his life. Then attacks were made on his life. He was still in hiding, as his life was still threatened.

Consdpiracy Theory ... from someone that allegedly has no respect for any scientific theory .. prove it ...
 Alex82

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Posted: 3/5/2008 1:26:08 AM
except for the fact there's a video of the guy drinking the exhaust from his skyline that ran on water. yep huge conspiracy theory some guy poisoning himself(if it wasn't water) just to start a conspiracy, riiite.

perhaps the scientific cummunity is corrupt, or mislead by a few that have been persuaded to say otherwise?

edit: 4:30 am here and forgot been inbetween persuaded and have heh
 scorpiomover

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Posted: 3/5/2008 2:19:33 AM

Consdpiracy Theory ... from someone that allegedly has no respect for any scientific theory .. prove it ...
I don't have any source, other than the programme. But that is what he said on the programme. It was on British TV, by the way.
 Alex82

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Posted: 3/5/2008 2:36:44 AM
it's not a conspiracy, hell you can convert your car to a water hybrid for 200 or 300 us now.
 Nergal

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Posted: 3/5/2008 2:50:58 AM
There was a mythical car that ran JUST on water, it was mooted as long ago as the 50's, and there are a number of stories about it. About how the oil companies have never heard of it. About how 2 reporters went looking for the guy, and the car had mysteriously disappeared. So there has never been any proof. It was supposedly water and some additive but it has NEVER BEEN PROVEN TO EXIST!

Water powered these days extract hydrogen, and its looking as though that might be a way forward.
 scorpiomover

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Posted: 3/5/2008 3:08:21 AM

There was a mythical car that ran JUST on water, it was mooted as long ago as the 50's, and there are a number of stories about it. About how the oil companies have never heard of it. About how 2 reporters went looking for the guy, and the car had mysteriously disappeared. So there has never been any proof. It was supposedly water and some additive but it has NEVER BEEN PROVEN TO EXIST!
I've seen patents on them on the internet, but never built one. I would have expected the patent office to have seen the thing in motion, but I am not a patent agent, so I don't fully know patent law.

But all this is off-topic. The simple fact is that domes CAN be built, and are known to be stronger, lighter and quicker to build than conventional houses. But it seems that most engineers understand the engineering of a rectangular house much better than a dome. It's not surprising. Rectangular houses have been around for thousands of years, so nearly all of the engineering of rectangular houses has already been done, and all you have to do is study what other people did, and copy it.
 Nergal

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Posted: 3/5/2008 3:30:06 AM
How is refuting a claim about a car that runs on water OFF TOPIC ... I already posted a note about patents. The patent office dont need to see a working model, diagrams are enough. If the claim involves perpetual motion the US patent office automatically grant a patent, providing the paperwork is in order, as the last time they refused one a member of the office got shot.

As for domes, it would require retraining the entire worlds building industry, making parts that arent available off the shelf and who would buy one. Most people want to live in square houses, most furniture is designed around that concept ..

Thats the trouble with a lot of these inventions, firstly the energy equation, then the economic equation and then the marketing equation.

Do we get more energy out of it than we put in ... the answer is normally no.
Is it more cheaper than conventional methods .... again the answer is normally no.
Will people want to buy it ... given the answers to the above 2 questions .. probably not ...

Take electric cars, or even hydrogen cars. Shwarzenegger recently paid out for a hydrogen Hummer I think. He is govenor of California and its a state big on low emission cars. The price he paid was astronomical, luckily he can afford it, but average joe on the street no way. Electric cars have massive problems with range, add more batteries and the car gets slower and still doesnt get much of an increase in range. So in terms of using them for long distance driving its a no go. The US is the biggest users of cars in the world, and they have the cheapest fuel too. And also the longest roads, so to an American electric cars make less sense than in the UK.
 Alex82

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Posted: 3/5/2008 3:54:10 AM
what happened to tesla's car that did 90mph in 1931? it disappeared too! coincidence? i think not!
 chrono1985

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Posted: 3/5/2008 4:18:02 AM
I highly doubt it's perpetual motions he's produce, maybe really efficient low friction, or a really efficient fuel. What most people fail to realize when they set out for perpetual motion is that everything in our universe reaches a point where it Normalizes, all of it's properties level out and all change ceases to be. One of my favorite perpetual motion claims happened not to far from me, the guy had a machine that appeared to achieve perpetual motion, but it didn't work when he moved it to far from where he first started it up. The cause was due to the way magnetics in the ground beneath his lab worked, was even demonstrated through some fairly simple math that there was a constant falloff for the amount of force being applied to the machines main component, which means it'd eventually die even if left there, the projection was something like 4 years.
 Alex82

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Posted: 3/5/2008 5:47:16 AM
forgot to mention that tesla's car was zero emissions to.
 Nergal

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Posted: 3/5/2008 5:52:55 AM
Alex .. lay of the cannabis and do some research before posting cr*p ...



The Tesla electric car anecdote refers to a supposed invention of Nikola Tesla related by a Peter Savo to one Derek Ahers on Sept. 16, 1967. Savo claimed that Tesla took him to Buffalo, New York in 1931 and showed him the automobile, a modified Pierce Arrow. The stock engine had been removed and replaced with a brushless AC electric motor. The motor was said to have been powered by a “power receiver” consisting of a box measuring about 24” long by 10” wide by 6” high containing 12 radio tubes and connected to a 6-foot long antenna.

The car was said to have been driven for about 50 miles at speeds of up to 90 mph during an 8-day period. This story has received some debate for the fact that the car’s propulsion system is said to have been invented by Tesla. No physical evidence has been produced confirming that the car ever existed.

In light of the fact that Tesla did not have a nephew by the name of Peter Savo, the Tesla electric car story is considered to be a fabrication. A number of web pages exist that serve to perpetuate the tale. [1] Every account of this purported demonstration auto is based upon the 1967 story plus literary embellishment.

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