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Posted: 3/16/2008 6:06:56 AM | Can i say, that its funny how people go out and smoke, and drink, yet illegal drugs are seen as a big no no.
If you read all the current studies, you will find alcohol and tobacco are the 2 worst drugs around...yeh they're legal....funny that.
I won't go into great detail, but we now know alot more about different types of drugs, and don't have falsified govt facts coming out (yes this is true...there have been botched results)
For instance...mdma, is not neurotoxic in smaller doses..and there is speculation as to whether it is in larger doses...yet alcohol IS neurotoxic. Look what alcohol can do to you...make you terribly sick, get headaches...it's also funny how alot of peopl are suffereing from liver cancer these days. Yet...alcohol is ok?
I'm only a light drug user..perhaps some pills every 6 weeks, or some weed....but it doesn;t make me a bad person. I can say theyve opened up my mind sooo much its unbelievable. I'm extremely fit, healthy, easy to get on with....drugs haven't turned me into someone im not, and they never will
So, get off your high horses people and be a little more knowledgable and open minded.
read this if you don't believe me...this is one of a million things I could show you
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2007/mar/23/constitution.drugsandalcohol | |
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Posted: 3/16/2008 6:20:59 AM | you are awfully certian that you can control this habit of yours...I hope you are right.
I'm not hear to argue with you...excessive abuse of any mind altering substance is not cool in my books whether it be legal or illegal (I drink socially as in 1 or 2 beer about 4 times a year) lol...I've lived with an alcoholic I have friends who are stoners.....no difference...both abuse something that they say relaxes them...opens their mind whatever.....it makes them stoned morons lol.
Anyway liver cancer is not that common..its actually rare..and more likely not liver cancer...more likely another cancer spread to the liver.....Now head and neck cancer thats more commonly related to a lifestyle which abuses alcohol and cigarettes. And is more common than liver cancer.
Ps....this type of thread has been done over and over and over again where some guy who does drugs tries to inform us closed minded people to open our minds showing us how we are oppressed by the Man lol....its likely to be deleted. | |
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Posted: 3/16/2008 6:34:38 AM |
drugs haven't turned me into someone im not, and they never will .....So why do you do drugs? That's right
I can say theyve opened up my mind sooo much its unbelievable. .....?
I can see the connection with alcohol and drugs, but sorry I cannot see the connection with tobacco smokers/alcohol and drugs.
A person who smokes a cigarette is highly unlikely to commit a serious crime because they have smoked a cigarette.
Oh sure cigarette smoke can upset the health of others, but so does diesel and every other toxic fume that we inhale on a daily basis.
Illicit drugs are the leading cause for schizophrenia, and alcohol is a major factor in the killing off of brain cells that eventually lead to liver disease and dementia.
Now here's a tip for all you drinkers.....eat lots of Vegemite it contains Thiamine!
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Posted: 3/16/2008 6:38:52 AM | the op is looking at this from the wrong perspective.
women dont tend to like ppl who blatantly disregard the laws. personally, i could give less than a $hit if you want to foul up your mind and body abusing any substance. Its not something i do. As well, theres that whole "guilt by association" thing.
If im with you when the cops come and you have been smokin, or snortin, or pill poppin, or whatever,, im getting cuffed and arrested too ya douchebag! ppl who use abuse substances and are addicted are the same ones who fail to see the issues and problems associated with it,,, dumba$$es that they are.
to that bs that "it opens your mind". thats the lazy mans method to a free mind. try actual mind control, now thats freedom! | |
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Posted: 3/16/2008 6:56:43 AM |
"it opens your mind".
That's a real pantload. Back in my drug and alcohol days I thought about a lot of things. The problem was that none of my thoughts were all that coherent and they were almost never followed up by actions. Now that I'm clean and sober I can make actual plans and follow through on them.
Shocking what a clear mind can conceive. | |
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Posted: 3/16/2008 7:26:25 AM | OP, I agree with you on some angles. Drug laws are mostly ineffective, and many drugs should be decriminalized (not to be mistaken with being made legal). To my mind drugs are drugs, and while some are much more addictive or hepa-toxic than others, I still avoid anyone who is intent on the promotion of self-injury. My objections aren't really for moralistic reasons. When someone is using a mind-altering substance, any substance, to me it constitutes "self-harm." I just can't relate to anyone who is intent on disrespecting their body.
Look at what makes a drug a drug. Drugs are made up of depressants and antidepressants - uppers and downers if you will. They might give you a high similar to that experienced after physical activity or achievement, or they may dull your emotional sensitivity. Anyway, the point is that they take your mind and change it.
One of my biggest objections to illegal drug use, is that it is not a victimeless crime. For every otherwise productive member of society that is drawn into drug addiction, our economy and our society suffer. Both our social environment and our economic environment are less good because of losses to drug addiction. But for a minute ignore drug addiction - not everyone who consumes drugs is addicted to them. However, people who don't take drugs have no chance of being addicted to them. And - to use illegal drugs constitutes a flouting of the law. Some people will not want to associate even with the most casual users of drugs because they don't want to be associated with anyone circulating on the fringes of society. In all probability, people reading about casual drug use will also wonder how else you might thumb your nose at the law........
Furthermore, in this day and age more and more companies are testing for illegal drugs. While you may consider drug testing to be Gestapo tactics, they are a requirement for many companies. Remember that little section of legalese at the end of the employment application you didn’t really read? Your signature on that document is what gives them the right. There have been numerous cases of employees who have been hired and then fired by the new employer based solely on the conditions of that document.
The day before—or even the week before—an employment drug test will likely be too late to achieve “clean” results. Who knows how long drugs will remain in your system, since the answer is influenced by the specific drug half-life, intensity of the usage, method of usage, length of usage, tolerance, fluid intake, body size, body fat, metabolism, etc. etc. Hair samples can be used to indicate drug use until your hair has grown out. So unless you want to spend your wage-earning future working as a bouncer at a nightclub, you should bear all of this in mind. Some girls will also have given this some thought - who needs to be tied up with someone who might, at any moment, lose their employment because they failed a drug test? No future in that person whatsoever.
Non-medical alleviation of suffering is the only exception, for me at least.
Just my $.02
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Posted: 3/16/2008 7:51:54 AM | p-trish:
As well, theres that whole "guilt by association" thing.
If im with you when the cops come and you have been smokin, or snortin, or pill poppin, or whatever,, im getting cuffed and arrested too ya douchebag! ppl who use abuse substances and are addicted are the same ones who fail to see the issues and problems associated with it,,, dumba$$es that they are.
Bwaaahaa!!! I totally agree with this statement! If you are in total disregard of the laws concerning legal and illegal drugs, what other laws are you going to 'overlook,' thinking that they don't apply to you? I'm not willing to go to jail for ANYONE else's screw up, lose my house, my career, my honor OR my integrity just because some guy thinks drugs are cool.
Nope not for me. I have too much to live for and too much to lose to put up with someone else's ignorance, stupidity and warped sense of right/wrong. | |
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Posted: 3/16/2008 7:57:14 AM | Find the article, "Apollo and Dionysus" that Ayn Rand penned in 1969.
Read it and understand it OP, it will help you in the long run. | |
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Posted: 3/16/2008 8:25:56 AM | In her essay, "Apollo and Dionysus," Rand describes drug addiction among hippies as follows:
""Find the article, "Apollo and Dionysus" that Ayn Rand penned in 1969.
Read it and understand it OP, it will help you in the long run.""
CLIPPED FROM THAT ESSAY. :
Is there any doubt that drug addiction is an escape from an unbearable inner state, from a reality one cannot deal with, from an atrophying mind one can never fully destroy? If Apollonian reason were unnatural to man, and Dionysian "intuition" brought him closer to nature and truth, the apostles of irrationality would not have to resort to drugs. Happy, self-confident men do not seek to get "stoned."
Drug addiction is the attempt to obliterate one's consciousness, the quest for a deliberately induced insanity. As such, it is so obscene an evil that any doubt about the moral character of its practitioners is itself an obscenity.
In a passage from a different essay, Rand says that "drug addiction is nothing but a public confession of personal impotence."[*] Her published comments all refer to addiction, and do not include any explicit reference to the idea of using illegal recreational drugs without abusing them or being an addict.
thanks nicky. | |
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Posted: 3/16/2008 8:26:58 AM | gah, previous poster beat me to the ayn rand comment.
Drug abusers are just escapist if not cowards, something difficult comes up in life and they would rather run away or hide instead of solve or overcome the challenge.
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Posted: 3/16/2008 8:28:26 AM | Maybe the concern isn't so much the drugs but the fines and jail time that go with it? I am certainly not handing over my money for bail nor supporting a guy when he knowingly put his job in jeopardy like that. All I can see that leading to is a drama-filled life.
If you were to approach me, my concern would be that you wouldn't respect what constitutes my reality. If a girl doesn't like something, it is her right. She is a thinking human being who has to make choices that best fit with her. Can you respect a woman who chooses not to have that in her life? Yes, there are some sheep types that have never questioned authority, but sometimes the questioning of authority yields the same answer.
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Posted: 3/16/2008 8:33:25 AM | The OP is far too defensive about his drug use.
It's your life OP, but getting defensive about using drugs and trying to rationalize it as just "something you do" that people should accept isn't likely to happen.
If you're trying to defend your side of a debate (Any debate, drugs included), you should start out speaking on the positives // benefits of your side of it. If your entire argument for drug use consists of saying what someone else does is worse, you have none.
Murder is worse than robbery, but that doesn't make robbery okay. | |
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Posted: 3/16/2008 8:44:16 AM |
Drug addiction is the attempt to obliterate one's consciousness, the quest for a deliberately induced insanity. As such, it is so obscene an evil that any doubt about the moral character of its practitioners is itself an obscenity.
Could just as easily been talking about religion....
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Posted: 3/16/2008 8:53:23 AM | | Yes alcohol and cigs are terrible..........alchohol can totally screw peoples lives up just like meth or pills, but cigs just kills yourself..........I am very knowledgable when it comes to the alcohol and the meth and have seen what it has done to friends and family.....Have seen where they have said I am ok and can handle it then they have screwed up so OP don't tell me to get off my high horse just because you say it has not affected you yet and never will, you don't know for sure....besides op your very young and you say dont take nothing for granted, then I would remember that when you take your next pills!!! | |
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Posted: 3/16/2008 9:06:23 AM |
So, get off your high horses people and be a little more knowledgable and open minded.
*Gets down off high horse*...
Im fairly knowledgable...and yet I still say no to drugs, watchathinkabout that eh?!
Your little rant convinces me of nuffin.
Soooo... aside from all the other reasons in the thread.
...Im not interested in driving around & sitting in the car while you go find your dealer to score.
*Gets back on high horse* | |
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Posted: 3/16/2008 10:24:56 AM | To the OP, people who don't do drugs will never understand what drug use is like. They hold crazy media stereotypes (like doing drugs will make you commit crazy crimes, you will become so stupid you will almost be clinically retarded, if you do drugs then you are a ruthless criminal, etc).
Non drug users don't understand what drug use is like because:
1. Having never done drugs, they ONL Y get their opinions from places like the media, studies, parents, etc.
2. Being a strict non drug user, they probably don't socialize with anyone who does drugs. That means these people have no experience being around people who have actually done drugs.
Thats why you, being more educated in this whole drug business (as the responsible drug user you are) should write most of these people off as the people who vote for george bush or the people who join cults. They are highly impressionable by "facts" they hear from the media and things they read rather then by actually trying something to see and know the effect.
Have you ever watched the movie Reefer Madness? I have seen so many people have similar reactions to marijuana as that movie.
Anyways, the reason why drug use has such a negative connotation in modern society is that people with problems tend to use drugs. So the drug user gets portrayed as the murderer, the one who wants to fight all the time, the one who broke into the vets office to steal more drugs, or the one who slept with his sister and produced a ****ed up kid.
The media will never display responsible drug use because there's no story there. You will never see statistics that the majority of drug use is done by responsible adults in their own homes. Most problems with drugs would be solved if they were legalized.
Anyways, i'm probably going to get flamed for this post but i just figured i'd throw my 2 cents in. peace. | |
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Posted: 3/16/2008 10:34:52 AM |
Non drug users don't understand what drug use is like because:
1. Having never done drugs, they ONL Y get their opinions from places like the media, studies, parents, etc.
2. Being a strict non drug user, they probably don't socialize with anyone who does drugs. That means these people have no experience being around people who have actually done drugs.
Thats why you, being more educated in this whole drug business (as the responsible drug user you are) should write most of these people off as the people who vote for george bush or the people who join cults. They are highly impressionable by "facts" they hear from the media and things they read rather then by actually trying something to see and know the effect.
Actually, other than cigarettes (which are a drug of their own), I haven't done drugs..yet I know very well the effects it has on the people I care about. My first bf when I was young started out as a pot head...I could handle that. Then he added alcohol...not the best, made for very rock roads. Then he added coke to that....I finally left after he choked me one night. Just because someone never takes them themselves, doesn't mean they have never been exposed to it in their lives.
Drugs make you irresponsible, unconcerned for other people around you.
And to add political/religious affiliation into this burns me. I don't have to follow the media blindly. I know how to research, read and inform myself. With that said, I still voted for George Bush twice and would again, and I firmly believe in God, not religion. | |
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Posted: 3/16/2008 10:42:15 AM | To the OP, people who don't do drugs will never understand what drug use is like. They hold crazy media stereotypes (like doing drugs will make you commit crazy crimes, you will become so stupid you will almost be clinically retarded, if you do drugs then you are a ruthless criminal, etc).
Non drug users don't understand what drug use is like because:
1. Having never done drugs, they ONL Y get their opinions from places like the media, studies, parents, etc.
Not going to flame you, just want to point out that you are assuming and generalizing. It is illogical to assume that a person who doesn't use drugs now never has used drugs. In fact, if you had paid attention, at least one poster in this thread stated that he used drugs & alcohol in the past, and implied that usage was regular and enough to affect his life choices.
I myself used drugs, pharmaceuticals and marijuana, in my younger days. I used them enough and associated with others who used them enough to see the negative effects they can have. I myself was lucky enough to never become addicted to any drug, and to never have an accident that caused another person harm while under the influence. I am grateful for that. Having used drugs I understand the mindset of someone who does them recreationally, however I do not use them now and doubt that I ever would again. I see no value in using them, and prefer to avoid any risk of harming myself or others, or being arrested and having my life messed up because I did something illegal.
As has been pointed out, I don't have to support or embrace someone else using drugs, just as others are not required to support or embrace anything I choose to do with my life.
Getting back on my high horse now...
By the way, I also am offended that you bring religious beliefs and political affiliation into this topic. FYI, back when I did drugs on a regular basis, I also was a card-carrying member of the Young Republicans. It is insulting to say that people who don't support drug use have no ability to think for themselves. | |
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Posted: 3/16/2008 10:48:00 AM |
If you read all the current studies, you will find alcohol and tobacco are the 2 worst drugs around
Oh yeah, tobacco is WAAAAAAAY worse for you then methamphetamine and heroin. | |
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Posted: 3/16/2008 10:53:42 AM |
1. Having never done drugs, they ONL Y get their opinions from places like the media, studies, parents, etc.
Hah.
I'm a forensic toxicologist. My opinions come from firsthand observations of people who have been so whacked out they can't even stand properly. My opinions come from the dozens of coroner's samples of people who have died in their 30's and 40's from lifelong drug abuse. My opinions come from seeing too many people kill others because they were on a drug-fueled rage. My opinions come from seeing the same names over and over again cross my desk because a person is too addicted to drugs to stop getting arrested. | |
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Posted: 3/16/2008 10:57:14 AM |
To the OP, people who don't do drugs will never understand what drug use is like. They hold crazy media stereotypes (like doing drugs will make you commit crazy crimes, you will become so stupid you will almost be clinically retarded, if you do drugs then you are a ruthless criminal, etc). Very convenient to use those people as your excuse for supporting your desires rather than those who are the free thinkers who have turned away from that lifestyle. It's a bit like picking on someone smaller than you.
The issue I see with this is not so much that anyone does drugs, but that they have a problem with those who don't want to date them because of it. Again, if you want a woman to respect your position, then you need to respect hers as well.
There is a difference between whether something should be legal and whether it is legal. One of the reasons we can't have much legal is because our culture is a bit sue crazy. If we could adopt the attitude that if you're dumb enough to weed yourself out of the gene pool, then so be it, then more rights could be allowed. As long as people can claim victim status to their own decisions, then people will be restricted. It comes down to the almighty dollar as usual. The idiots cost us money, and if we don't want to pay for them, the way things are set up now we end up having to protect them from themselves instead of just letting them kill or maim themselves.
Eventually, cigarettes will end up illegal. Some states already have a very, very tough stance on alcohol, and more may follow. In fact, I expect in the next 20 years that people will have their weight and food intake regulated. We are not moving towards a freer country. | |
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Posted: 3/16/2008 11:05:05 AM | | Thank you CSI...yes smoking has been banned almost everywhere OP...but would like to see how you would react if you ever go to a morgue and see someone that has died from meth...try living with one, not a pretty sight....but of course OP made his vent and will most likely not come back. | |
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