| 5-year-old boy handcuffed in school Posted: 3/22/2008 5:14:33 PM | If this don't beat all!!
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2008/01/25/2008-01-25_5yearold_boy_handcuffed_in_school_taken_.html
Kindergartner Dennis Rivera, 5, tells how he was handcuffed to chair at Queens school last week as mom, Jasmina Vasquez, listens. A 5-year-old boy was handcuffed and hauled off to a psych ward for misbehaving in kindergarten - but the tot's parents say NYPD school safety agents are the ones who need their heads examined. "He's 5 years old. He was scared to death," Dennis Rivera's mother, Jasmina Vasquez, told the Daily News. "You cannot imagine what it's done to him." Dennis - who suffers from speech problems, asthma and attention deficit disorder - never went back to class at Public School 81 in Queens after the traumatic incident. His mom and a school source said Dennis threw a tantrum inside the Ridgewood school at 11 a.m. on Jan. 17. Dennis was taken to the principal's office, where he apparently knocked items off a desk. Rather than calling the boy's parents, a school safety agent cuffed the boy's small hands behind his back using metal restraints, the school source said. The agent and school officials then called an ambulance to take the tot to Elmhurst Hospital Center for a mental evaluation. Vasquez was stunned when a guidance counselor called her at work to say her son was being taken to the psych ward. Vasquez rushed to the school from her job as a patient representative at Bellevue Hospital in Manhattan. On the way, she called Dennis' baby-sitter, who was closer to PS 81, and asked her to hurry over to the school. When baby-sitter Sandy Ortiz arrived, Dennis was still handcuffed, she said. School safety agents also were holding his elbows even though the boy was calm, Ortiz said. Dennis is about 4-feet-3 and weighs 68 pounds. "I hugged him. I said, 'OK, release the cuffs, I'm taking him,'" she recalled. "They told me, 'No, Miss. You're not taking him anywhere.'" Ortiz routinely picks up Dennis from class. She said she's never seen him behave in a way that would require him to be restrained. "I was so upset. There's no reason to handcuff a baby of 5 years old, traumatize him that way," she said. The handcuffs were removed before Dennis was walked out of the school and driven by ambulance to Elmhurst Hospital Center. He was evaluated at the hospital and released about four hours later, his mom said. School sources said Dennis had punched an assistant principal the day before he acted out in class. The sources also said he broke glass in an office door a week earlier. A spokeswoman for the city Education Department declined to comment on why school safety agents needed to handcuff Dennis, saying the incident was under investigation. The NYPD, which oversees school safety agents, also declined to discuss specifics. Deputy Police Commissioner Paul Browne said, "We hope common sense would prevail and we are looking at what happened." Vasquez immediately withdrew Dennis from PS 81 and enrolled him in a private school, Grand Street Settlement. "I asked him, 'Do you want to go back to that school?' He broke down in tears," Vasquez said. "He said, 'I don't want to go! I don't want to go!'" | |
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| 5-year-old boy handcuffed in school Posted: 3/22/2008 5:31:33 PM | | Yet another example of how society does not understand people with disabilities and further reinforcement of the discriminatory undertones of this "great" country. | |
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| 5-year-old boy handcuffed in school Posted: 3/22/2008 5:49:09 PM | Does anyone think this kid is going to "act out" after having the crap scared out of him? Bet his "ADD" and behaviour problems got a bit of straightening out too. Ok...it is rough on the kid...but if he learns the consequences of his actions early, it WILL help him later, disabled or not. So...it may not have been the BEST thing in the world...but it sure let the little buggers know that the school is NOT going to put up with their BS at all. It send a strong message to the parents...and the kids. All in all, a good thing.  | |
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| 5-year-old boy handcuffed in school Posted: 3/22/2008 6:15:04 PM | | Yes, I think that the kid is more likely to act out after having the crap scared out of him. Speaking from experience, I tend to find that this is exactly the point where I am likely to act out and I don't live in the confused world of a five year old in a school. And, then we'll blame the kid for just being bad when he doesn't respond to harsh treatment, even having the gall to rebel in some kind of way. Where on earth is the good in any of this? The school must know that they have failed this child if they felt that they had to resort to this and, if they don't, I hope that there is someone around to point it out to them. | |
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| 5-year-old boy handcuffed in school Posted: 3/22/2008 6:57:56 PM | That poor little boy..........i dont even have children,but think this is an absolutely appalling way to treat a little child,especially in view of the fact that he has learning difficulties & other health issues.... I hope these so called people in authority have the book thrown at them,...... | |
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| 5-year-old boy handcuffed in school Posted: 3/22/2008 7:01:22 PM | Did you not read the part where the boy had punched a teacher the day before, and he had broken glass the week before? It sounds to me like the parent is enabling their "baby", as they called him, to be a disruptive, destructive, brat.
One word: consequences!!!!!!!
Good for the school. If corporal punishment is not allowed, what do you expect the teachers to do, let the "baby" (ha) destroy property and abuse teachers? Learning this lesson in kindergarten is good - maybe in grade 7 or 8 this kid won't be the one in jail because of vandalism or assault.
JMO
On edit: I have nephews in my family with ADD and they are not violent toward teachers. Using ADD as an excuse to behave this way actually sends out misinformation about learning disorders! | |
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| 5-year-old boy handcuffed in school Posted: 3/22/2008 7:09:36 PM | I agree with the above poster. Cuddling these kids is BS! You act stupid & destroy property & hit people, off in hand cuffs you go. Sends a strong message to all the jack#@!# of the world!
RIGHT ON!
Its about time someone showed some balls when dealing with these malcontents! I hope they drag the parent in to the pysch ward! | |
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| 5-year-old boy handcuffed in school Posted: 3/22/2008 7:25:27 PM | He looks like a little monster and should be treated as so. This new treatment of children using kid gloves and never saying no is just stupid. A good hard spanking on the bum is a great way to get the attention of the children and get them to behave.
Lots of my friends have horrible children, little monsters and one day I can just see them killing off the parents for the insurance money. Anyone on the kids side, geeze. come on, bad behavior is not a health issue, he is a spoiled little **** and has a mother than fawns all over the sweet little baby... hey you do things wrong? you get punished just like in real life, who is he to break a glass door and punch an adult (that cant hit him back) he needs to know what is acceptable behaviot and what is not.
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| 5-year-old boy handcuffed in school Posted: 3/22/2008 7:33:55 PM | | Having disabilities is no excuse for bad behaviour - lots of children with health issues don't get destructive like this one did. Perhaps a good old fashioned whooping on the butt would have been more effective than cuffs and a psych ward. | |
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| 5-year-old boy handcuffed in school Posted: 3/22/2008 7:34:29 PM | I was wondering which way this was going to go. I too believe the world in general has gotten rediculous in their child rearing efforts. I got spanked, when warranted, my brothers got them more, (they acted out more) my sister, she was too quiet, so I don't recall. I still don't understand where the idea of putting blame on teachers came from, unless it was a last ditch effort to start over somewhere . But it does BEGIN at home. It always has, and it always will. My girls got a couple bottom swaps, but nothing traumactic. | |
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| 5-year-old boy handcuffed in school Posted: 3/22/2008 8:09:58 PM | | Seems a little scary to me that so many people are prepared to accept the chaining up of a five year old as a good idea. I doubt that those people who had to do it were so keen to ever have it happen to them again. Something is wrong when a collection of adults dedicated to educating young minds and making a difference have nowhere else to turn and this idea that it will teach the child a lesson and his behaviour will automatically change seems to me to be based more in hope than real expectation. We seem to be dismissing the whole thing as the kid getting what he was asking for when surely the real difficulty facing us all is that too many children are in this situation today and the days of beating it out of them have long gone. | |
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| 5-year-old boy handcuffed in school Posted: 3/22/2008 8:33:29 PM | Let's see the child has a speech problem. Child becomes frustrated Child throws tantrum out of frustration
I say the teachers should be trained on how to handle special situations as such. Being able to communicate with someone who is having a difficult time communicating is frustrating for all.
The school was in the wrong and the proper training for to handle such a child was not implemented properly.
To those of you here that are saying " good! should teach him a lesson" You apparently have not worked with special needs children.
These school "people" if I should even call them that , were out of context with the way they handled the situation. When professionals/teachers are trained properly, these children have no problems with behaviours. They aren't your "typical" child and are atypical. They need to be handled quite differently then your so called "normal" child.
GET EDUCATED PEOPLE!! | |
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| 5-year-old boy handcuffed in school Posted: 3/22/2008 9:40:33 PM |
Did you not read the part where the boy had punched a teacher the day before, and he had broken glass the week before? It sounds to me like the parent is enabling their "baby", as they called him, to be a disruptive, destructive, brat.
I agree. | |
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| 5-year-old boy handcuffed in school Posted: 3/22/2008 9:51:54 PM |
Did you not read the part where the boy had punched a teacher the day before, and he had broken glass the week before? It sounds to me like the parent is enabling their "baby", as they called him, to be a disruptive, destructive, brat.
Dear ADDX10
Do you have a psychology degree?
Until one understand the psychology of the child and how that child learns, and perceives the world around them, then it's not anything to do with the parent. This is at the school level where the so called professionals did not handle the situation properly or did not know of the child's special needs.
Once you understand their world, their learning abilities, and their perception it changes your outlook on how to handle these children.
This is a problem at the school level where the so called professionals were way off base! | |
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| 5-year-old boy handcuffed in school Posted: 3/23/2008 1:57:08 AM |
Being able to communicate with someone who is having a difficult time communicating is frustrating for all.
Communicate? With a five-year-old that's throwing a temper tantrum? I don't care if he's got a speech problem or that he has ADD or whatever. If you try to "communicate" with him, or even a normal, healthy five-year-old, you have lost the war.
He was handcuffed? So freakin' what? He's causing a major disturbance, knocking stuff of the the vice principal's desk, throwing things around. You're damn right he gets handcuffed. Or paddled, but no, we can't have that anymore.
But, you want to "talk" to him. This is precisely the kind of attitude that leads to thirty kids and teachers getting gunned down when little Johnny is allowed to get his way whenever he throws a hissy fit, but later finds out that most people won't tolerate his crap.
When we put the paddle back in the principal's office we'll stop having little hellions going off like time bombs. | |
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| 5-year-old boy handcuffed in school Posted: 3/23/2008 2:54:13 AM | As someone who has taken psychology courses AND has ADHD, I can safely say that the little lad was treated properly. He NEEDED a REALITY CHECK. He got one. Unfortunately his parents did not support the reality check and he will probably be in & out of trouble for the rest of his life.
Dr. Benjamin Spock was an absolute moron when it came to dealing with children. The results of his type of child rearing are directly responsible for the insanity we see in schools today. Corporal punishment needs to be re-instituted in every school for a variety of reasons. One, it teaches kids to FEAR authority. This is a GOOD thing. Which kids tend to get in less trouble?? The ones who FEAR the consequences of being CAUGHT. Two, It means that kids understand that if they act badly there will be direct consequences for their actions. Three, Niceness is enforced. How many times did you as a kid think about doing something and then think, "Well, if I do it, I've got to face the principal. Then after I get home I've got to face my parents, and they'll tear my @$$ up even worse." Tends to put a damper on being an evil lil twerp.
Kids with ADD & ADHD need STRICT REGULATION. We need far more structure than normal kids and need tons of discipline. Military school is the best option by far. You cannot be easy on us and expect us to become good citizens...if you do go easy you get yet another Dillon Clebold (School shooter) and the ensuing mess. Even the most disciplined ADHD kids are going to be problematic, but at least if we are taught to fear authority we won't get CAUGHT very often simply because we learn to avoid getting caught for fear of the punishments. It is far better to be a devious Sgt. Bilko type than end up in jail for life because we lacked the control & skill to keep out of trouble.
ADHD Example: Thomas Crown. watch the dang movie.
Because us ADHD'rs don't think like normal people, we attack a problem from multiple different directions at once so that we cover EVERY angle and when we are properly taught discipline we are bloody hard to catch. Think Huck Finn, Sgt. Bilko, Thomas Crown, Chief McHale, or any other twisted devious lil bastich that drives authority bananas because we've figured out how to not get caught, how to not leave evidence behind, and how to enjoy making people wonder "How the heck we did that!?!?!?!?" We are the peak of ADHD evolution because someone took the time to make us realize that STRUCTURE is KEY. We follow a system, we get inside it, master it, then start using it to our own advantage ALWAYS keep anyone you know with ADHD on a VERY short leash. It not only keeps us out of trouble, it makes us even sneakyer and more devious...which to the US Gov't...is a good thing!!
Would you rather have us working FOR the benefit of the country or against it???
Jeez, if I ever punched a teacher/pricipal I'd not have been able to sit down for a week. You idiot liberals keep coddling kids and you'll continue to have to build even more prisons to hold them in later life...and we already jail more people than any country on earth...it's time for a change back to core american values...Whoop some @$$, take some names, and keep things on an even keel. QUIT THINKING THAT YOU CAN LEGISLATE GOOD BEHAVIOR. | |
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| 5-year-old boy handcuffed in school Posted: 3/23/2008 4:04:53 AM | | first mistake was not calling the parent for a misbehaved child right away. guess the goverment has no faith in parents anymore. second whould be the psych analysis without permission from anybody related to the child . hauling a kid off in a ambulance, the handcuffs thing pails in comparison to the kid now feeling there is something completely wrong with him, and the stress her mother was in adds to this. | |
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| 5-year-old boy handcuffed in school Posted: 3/23/2008 4:15:05 AM | i hardly think calling a ambulence is corporal punishment, its more of, lets find his flaw so we can label it. and bill her for it all, which without insurence is 1000 or so
the problem with corporal punishment is when you start fearing everything and not taking any risks at all. its a tricky pony. no one will react the same to a situation in the long term. the scale tips both ways | |
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| 5-year-old boy handcuffed in school Posted: 3/23/2008 4:41:02 AM | >>>Unfortunately his parents did not support the reality check and he will probably be in & out of trouble for the rest of his life.
It is not the schools job to give him a reality check. If he broke glass, the school should have demanded the parent pay for it- if he attacked a teacher, the school should have demanded he get reprimanded or they would press charges- if he freaks right out, his parents should have been notified immediately and, if it is as bad they claim it was, should have had him expelled. Those are logical steps- chaining a 5 year old with mental disabilities to a desk while you continue to hold him down, is not.
>>>One, it teaches kids to FEAR authority.
Heavens know beating people is the only way to get them to listen. It certainly worked with Rodney King- he was acting up, on drugs- he deserved to get the shit kicked out of him! And like you said, he learned his lesson(well, if you ignore the continued use of drugs and drunk driving)
One must wonder what right the Government has to beat your kids if they act up in an institution they have no right to refuse to attend.
And being terrorized at the notion of going to school? That just creates socially balanced kids.... | |
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| 5-year-old boy handcuffed in school Posted: 3/23/2008 6:47:12 AM | Big Shrek: You still don't have a degree. Sorry but taking courses and a degree are two very different things as well as, and I"ll assume here at this point, not working in healthcare or psych wards.
I speak from having a child that has speech problems, and a learning disability. My child used to take the worst tantrums I thought imaginable.
With the help of professionals who explained to me how he learns and perceives things, from a psychological testing and diagnoses we are all able to understand my son better and are able to deal with him. AND GUESS WHAT?? no more outbursts.
These children do not learn and process information the same way. Even recalling information gets skewed from our point of view where it won't make sense to us, yet they know what they are talking about.
I have to treat and discipline my son much differently than I do my other two children. Why is that? Because it works for HIM.
Having had a short career with special needs people it is the same with the clients I once had. What worked for one didn't for the other. Every case is different and with the information provided for each client it is the professionals ' duty to read the information over, implement the course of action, and utilize it in the classroom setting. Even with your basic psychology courses you seem to fail remembering this. Where something doesn't work you end up back at the drawing board so to speak and implementing a new course of action, testing it and finding out the end results?
If you have even the basics of psychology never forget the important aspects of it! ;)
kissable0305: I am seriously appalled at those of you without a healthcare or medical background or degree to even think in such a manner. Your typical disobedient children sure corporal punishment could work for them. It would more than likely instill the fear in them. Your atypical child? Won't work!
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| 5-year-old boy handcuffed in school Posted: 3/23/2008 7:17:49 AM | Home schooled students consistently score better than public school students. Why do you think that is? And why did a court a California court recently hand down a ruling that makes the One hundred and sixty six thousand home school students in that state truants? Might it be that people are about sick of our government screwing up our children? Another recent statistic says that 1/4 of teenage girls between the ages of 14 and 17 have contacted some type of STD. (this is still school age people!) Think about it. JD  | |
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| 5-year-old boy handcuffed in school Posted: 3/23/2008 7:25:22 AM |
Home schooled students consistently score better than public school students. Why do you think that is?
That would be the cause of the parent being able to dedicate more one on one time with the child and making sure they understand what they are learning. As compared to one teacher and 30 kids in the classroom. There isn't much one on one in these types of settings.
As for the early age of sex, again education and knowledge could help in making informed decisions rather than poor ones. | |
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| 5-year-old boy handcuffed in school Posted: 3/23/2008 7:31:21 AM | I do not know if this is being done in the US or not, but here in Alberta, if there is a child in the classroom with a behavioral problem, such as ADD, ADHD, or FASD, the school can apply for funding to have an assistant brought in who works only with these children. (The same is done for children with physical disabilities. There was a student who grew up with my daughter who had the same nurse with him every day for years). These young students often learn at a slower rate than the 'normal' students, they have problems focusing and concentrating, and they get frustrated easy. Once they reach the frustrated stage, it is very difficult to get them out of it.
I am in no way condoning the temper tantrums, hitting or destruction, but these children just need different instruction and guidance. They learn to trust and be comfortable with their teaching assistants and the incidents of disruption become less frequent. | |
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| 5-year-old boy handcuffed in school Posted: 3/23/2008 7:34:40 AM | I personally would've locked that little monster in a dog crate.... And tossed it into the nearest body of water.
I hate kids. | |
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| 5-year-old boy handcuffed in school Posted: 3/23/2008 7:38:23 AM | I say the teachers should be trained on how to handle special situations as such. Being able to communicate with someone who is having a difficult time communicating is frustrating for all.
The school was in the wrong and the proper training for to handle such a child was not implemented properly.
OK..for the record....if not trained to be,at least marginally observant,how did they get their teaching tickets? If they are that observant...why is the kid in public school to begin with?Even the mother must have some clue that her child needs some help.
How big is this kid.My friends son is 12 and nearly 6'1"tall and 160.He's TWELVE. I don't want to see if he ever gets angry enough to lash out.
GET EDUCATED PEOPLE!!
It is our tax dollars that hire "these" people and most blindly trust the system.Shouldn't the system police themselves as well?? Educators,GET EDUCATED,weed yourselves of the bad apples.At least the marginally adequate ones. | |
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