| 4.000 dead Posted: 3/24/2008 3:28:52 PM | | its going on 6 years, since our lovely government invade iraq. now 4.000 soilder dead. do you feel safer. i no i dont. i have learn from the past. if your waiting on the government to protect you. you will be waiting a long time. this is the same government who cant even build a fence. so lets see when it was bush and cheneys time to serve there country, first bush hid behind his daddy, and cheney on vietnam . he said he had better things to do. to me just means they are cowards.they dont mind sending you or me to war, but when its there time, they show there true colors.there war on terror is going about like there war on drugs.on 03/24/2008. cheney said on 4.000 soilders getting killed. it was more a burdin on george w bush, then there familys. this coming from a coward, like cheney. then you wonder why it own citzen are turning on its own country.in the end, we all no . they dont care if we die or not, its long over do. for us to show our leaders what we the people really means. | |
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| 4.000 dead Posted: 3/24/2008 3:38:12 PM | 4,000 my hairy butt!
You know, they don't count those who were flown out and died later in Germany or other military hospitals!
And, try over 1 1/2 MILLION disabled! | |
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| 4.000 dead Posted: 3/24/2008 3:53:32 PM | | You dont feel safer? Good. Go over to the Middle East and live. | |
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| 4.000 dead Posted: 3/24/2008 3:53:35 PM | | yes sorry meant, what our government . says in there country, there is no tell how many lifes have been destoyed , by george w bush, how many american soilder will be hurt for rest of there life. but our government dont care, hell they never had to fight, as a former soilder, i have been called a traider. but if so. its all because i dont beleive in there neocon veiws. | |
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| 4.000 dead Posted: 3/24/2008 3:57:14 PM | | unlike most i have been to muslim countrys. did not bother me. but i guess i dont worry about our government protecting me, where i come from we protect ourself. we dont need our government protecting us, like the wall our government was suppose to build. great job dont you think. | |
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| 4.000 dead Posted: 3/24/2008 4:49:33 PM |
You dont feel safer? Good. Go over to the Middle East and live.
You like the war? Good. Go over to the middle east and fight 'em your own bad self.
Take Bush and Cheney with ya!
Reason for Requested Deletion: Redundant subject 1/2 have voted to delete this thread, at least 7 delete votes out of 10 are needed to auto delete this thread.
And we're fighting for freedom and free speech?
That "deletion" stuff is garbage. | |
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| 4.000 dead Posted: 3/24/2008 4:52:49 PM | | oh we could never be that lucky. but as for deleting my forum. i dont think i said anything wrong.my forum is like tv shows you dont like, turn it off or dont read it, is this forum run bye repubicans. | |
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| 4.000 dead Posted: 3/24/2008 8:57:54 PM | The 4000th US soldier was killed in Iraq less than a week after the fifth anniversary of the war. More than 30 were just 18 years old, about 80 were older than 45, nearly 100 were women. A quarter of those who died were from just three states: California, Texas and New York. Each had a name, and for every name - perhaps parents, children, siblings, friends, family.
Very sad. So very, very sad. No question about it.
This is pretty sad too:
Documented civilian deaths from violence: 82,394 - 89, 914
Iraq Body Count is an ongoing human security project which maintains and updates the world�s largest public database of violent civilian deaths during and since the 2003 invasion. The count encompasses non-combatants killed by military or paramilitary action and the breakdown in civil security following the invasion.
Data is drawn from cross-checked media reports, hospital, morgue, NGO and official figures to produce a credible record of known deaths and incidents
Recent events Sunday 23 March: 74�dead
www.iraqbodycount.org | |
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| 4.000 dead Posted: 3/24/2008 10:10:10 PM | Cheney notes 4,000 troop deaths in Iraq Published: March 24, 2008 at 7:08 PM
ANKARA, Turkey, March 24 (UPI) -- President George Bush "carries the biggest burden" when U.S. soldiers die in Iraq because he committed the country to war, Vice President****Cheney said.
"The president carries the biggest burden, obviously,"
Cheney told ABC News while in Turkey. "He's the one who has to make the decision to commit young Americans, but we are fortunate to have a group of men and women, the all-volunteer force, who voluntarily put on the uniform and go in harm's way for the rest of us." ++++++++++++++++++++
The BIGGEST Burden?????
I just watched "FrontLine" How these guys sleep at night I don't know. All of them.
I have No respect.
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| 4.000 dead Posted: 3/24/2008 10:39:58 PM | The true list of Military casualties is available for display "icasualties.org" The men and women serving abroad in Iraq who die in foreign countries are, I say again ARE included in the list of US casualties.
military fatalities have been confirmed by The Department of Defense. Total: 4000 Confirmed: 3995 Pending: 4 ( to the ignorant this means, 4000 on record, 3995 confirmed and 4 pending. Therefore the bodies have been identified officially)
Recorded Civilian Casualties [ Independent sources estimate ] 82,394 – 89,914
US Contractors [This number remains unknown, in 2007 it was estimated to be roughly 1000+]
Wounded... I Can't find an accurate source. But an estimate that places it in the millions is in no way realistic. | |
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| 4.000 dead Posted: 3/24/2008 10:52:39 PM | | In the presidents defense, he may of started the attack but he has no control over it anymore.The President can keep us in Iraq 90 days only. If your going to blame someone then blame congress. | |
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| 4.000 dead Posted: 3/24/2008 11:01:05 PM | .
In the presidents defense,
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There is no defense for this group. Marketing of a War to what end????
Unbelievable what has been wasted... | |
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| 4.000 dead Posted: 3/25/2008 12:07:01 AM | groan. Woodenmike? The 4000 include all deaths including training in the USA.
As to casualties, this has been as minimal as anybody could expect.
I have done 3 years over there and am about to go back. We are well equipped and we are fighting for your lives.
Y'all want us to give up? Y'all want us to just quit? They attacked us and they ain't stopping.
You have a better alternative than fighting back?
They have been after us for 1400 years... we are infidels ya know.
1.5 million disabled? Where in the #@$ did you make that up? This would be one in every 200 Americans, pal. I don't see Wal Mart flooded with wheel Chairs.
Try to keep to the facts.
I don't enjoy reading forums comments full of lies. Too many people are dumb enough to believe them.
So do tell. 1.5 Million disabled. That would be more than the amount of troops that have served in the military over the past 6 years. Please tell us where the numbers come from.
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| 4.000 dead Posted: 3/25/2008 12:35:25 AM |
Woodenmike? The 4000 include all deaths including training in the USA.
got any documentation to back that up?
Woodenmike? The 4000 include all deaths including training in the USA.
How many Iraqi's were in on 9/11?
They have been after us for 1400 years... we are infidels ya know.
Uh huh, thats why you invade one of the secular countries in the middle east right, and ignore the troublesome countries such as Saudi Arabia right next door?
Try to keep to the facts.
LOL the same could be said for you.
Just because Woodenmike is wrong doesn't make you right. | |
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| 4.000 dead Posted: 3/25/2008 1:42:12 AM |
The 4000 include all deaths including training in the USA.
Just done a quick search & every source I can find say's that, in FACT, the figure is the number of American troops killed INSIDE Iraq since the lie began. That doesn't include other coalition casualties.
Y'all want us to give up? Y'all want us to just quit? They attacked us and they ain't stopping.
The Iraqi's didn't attach the US. The Taliban didn't attack the US..... Both parties condemned 9/11 and offered support in bringing the perpetrators to justice.
My advice is to stop listening to the propoganda fed to you and check out the facts yourself. There are enough Iraqi war vet web sites out there that will enlighten you.
You have a better alternative than fighting back? Don't you think it would have been a better idea for Mr Bush to visit Saddam in 2003 with a big fat cheque for $500,000,000,000 (the estimated cost of the war so far) , the promise to lift sanctions and the use of 150,ooo American troops for rebuilding the iraqi state would have had better results?
If you believe this war is anything to do with a war on terror then you are a fool. | |
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| 4.000 dead Posted: 3/25/2008 9:32:15 AM | Cheney had a chance to go into Iraq when he worked for GB41 back in 1991..and he said, we'd be crazy to do it. Apparently one of his strokes changed his personality.
GB43 sure did sell the war, along with Colin Powell. but was Cheney pulling the strings again, like on 9/11 when he, not the Commander in Chief, was the one ordering fighter jets to shoot down civilian aircraft?
some parts of Iraq are less dangerous than others, yes, which is how some GI's can claim everything's hunky dory, and others wonder what they are smoking. 10 support every trigger puller. But does it help America at all? Even the Pentagon admits, Saddam supported no terrorist groups except those who went after his local enemies, the Israelis, the Iranians, and the Kurds. He had exactly nothing to do with the 19 9/11 terrorists (15 of whom were Saudis). "They" haven't been fighting us for 1400 years b/c we haven't existed for that length of time.
The Iraqis are ironically doing to us, what the Founding Fathers did to the British redcoats--and having the same success because of it. Extra boots on the ground will not create any more success than the Brits could have had against our ancestors with extra boots on our ground (and support from our own Torries), and for the same reasons. | |
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| 4.000 dead Posted: 3/25/2008 11:31:45 AM |
Does it really matter where the 4,000 military members died, or how. What matters is these individuals are remembered for whom they are. Soldiers who fought for you, your country and what they believe in. Last time I checked they were not forced to go at gun point. As a soldier I know the mentality these men and women have, perhaps my morality is on another level, but regardless I know the sense of pride and honor that comes with the task. Regardless the question at hand is... was the war in Iraq worth the cost of life. Absolutely not. But, constitutionally you are all responsible. The ballot that many of you didn't cast has cost the lives of your sons, brothers, and friends. It's a shadow that the American public shall be darkened by for many years. Although, many of you have good intentions about speaking up against the war in Iraq, I urge you to at least try to get your facts straight. It was Ignorance that started this in the first place. | |
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| 4.000 dead Posted: 3/25/2008 11:44:57 AM |
Does it really matter where the 4,000 military members died, or how. What matters is these individuals are remembered for whom they are. Soldiers who fought for you, your country and what they believe in. Last time I checked they were not forced to go at gun point. As a soldier I know the mentality these men and women have, perhaps my morality is on another level, but regardless I know the sense of pride and honor that comes with the task. Regardless the question at hand is... was the war in Iraq worth the cost of life. Absolutely not. But, constitutionally you are all responsible. The ballot that many of you didn't cast has cost the lives of your sons, brothers, and friends. It's a shadow that the American public shall be darkened by for many years. Although, many of you have good intentions about speaking up against the war in Iraq, I urge you to at least try to get your facts straight. It was Ignorance that started this in the first place.
When out of ignorance you stick your hand in a blender, the smart thing to do is pull it out, not keep it in there out of a misguided sense of loyalty to the fingers that were lost before. | |
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| 4.000 dead Posted: 3/25/2008 12:00:31 PM | | I'll take a pass on the Strawberry Dacquiri's thank you. | |
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| 4.000 dead Posted: 3/25/2008 12:11:59 PM | | If there were anyone on the fence about The War/Invasion/Occupation, I would hope that the statement by Cheney--"So?"--would have removed all doubt. Who would have ever imagined that "Executive Branch" would ever take on the same meaning as "Crime Boss?" It also doesn't help that the Congress is too lazy or too vested in corporations, or both, to do their jobs. | |
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| 4.000 dead Posted: 3/25/2008 12:39:12 PM | And this, from the World Health Organization
New study estimates 151 000 violent Iraqi deaths since 2003 invasion
9 JANUARY 2008 GENEVA/BAGHDAD
A large national household survey conducted by the Iraqi government and WHO estimates that 151 000 Iraqis died from violence between March 2003 and June 2006.
The findings, published today on the web site of the New England Journal of Medicine, are based on information collected during a wider survey of family health in Iraq, designed to provide a basis for the Iraqi government to develop and update health policies and plan services.
The estimate is based on interviews conducted in 9345 households in nearly 1000 neighbourhoods and villages across Iraq. The researchers emphasize that despite the large size of the study, the uncertainty inherent in calculating such estimates led them to conclude that the number of Iraqis who died from violence during that period lies between 104 000 and 223 000.
"Assessment of the death toll in conflict situations is extremely difficult and household survey results have to be interpreted with caution," said study co-author Mohamed Ali, a WHO statistician who provided technical assistance for the survey. "However, in the absence of comprehensive death registration and hospital reporting, household surveys are the best we can do."
"Our survey estimate is three times higher than the death toll detected through careful screening of media reports by the Iraq Body Count project and about four times lower than a smaller-scale household survey conducted earlier in 2006," added Naeema Al Gasseer, the WHO Representative to Iraq.
The study found that violence became a leading cause of death for Iraqi adults after March 2003 and the main cause for men aged 15-59 years. It indicated that on average 128 Iraqis per day died of violent causes in the first year following the invasion and that the average daily violent death toll was 115 in the second year and 126 in the third year. More than half of the violent deaths occurred in Baghdad.
"Some homes could not be visited because of high levels of insecurity and more people move residence in times of conflict. These factors were taken into account in the analysis as they may affect the accuracy of the survey work," said Salih Mahdi Motlab Al-Hasanawi, Minister of Health of Iraq. "Nonetheless, the survey results indicate a massive death toll since the beginning of the conflict."
Besides deaths, the Iraq Family Health Survey tracked health indictors such as pregnancy history, mental health status, chronic illnesses, smoking habits, sexually transmitted infections, domestic violence and heath-care spending patterns.
Another notable finding of the survey was that a worryingly low 57% of the women surveyed said they had heard of AIDS. That compares with 84% of women in Turkey and Egypt, 91% in Morocco and 97% in Jordan. www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2008/pr02/en/index.html | |
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| 4.000 dead Posted: 3/25/2008 1:14:55 PM |
When out of ignorance you stick your hand in a blender, the smart thing to do is pull it out, not keep it in there out of a misguided sense of loyalty to the fingers that were lost before. The removal of U.S forces from Iraq would cause a greater cost to life than the occupancy of coalition forces. It's Important to remember your country stripped Iraq of its weak, but stable grasp. The people of their country unfortunately depend on you for aid, and protection. If only the United States believed in winning the support of the people, rather than beating and scaring the population in its own country. But can you blame your soldiers, they are fighting a war in which there is no support. | |
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| 4.000 dead Posted: 3/25/2008 5:53:32 PM | this is a war of ideals and thoughts. we will be in this war for a long long time. get used to it. the enemy wants us dead. all of us. women and children. we must fight until the radical islamic ideologs no longer exist. it's the biggest challenge in all of our 200 years as a nation. | |
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| 4.000 dead Posted: 3/25/2008 6:28:23 PM |
the enemy wants us dead. all of us. women and children. we must fight until the radical islamic ideologs no longer exist. And this has what to do with Iraq?
Last time I checked there weren't any radical islamist of any note or concern in Iraq until AFTER it was invaded (mainly because Saddam hated them more than you do).
And what has Bush given them now, which Saddam denied them?
One of the largest MTA's in the world to hone their craft. | |
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| 4.000 dead Posted: 3/25/2008 6:58:45 PM | | Whether the invasion of Iraq was right or wrong is a mute point. We are there. We can leave the country with a semblance of stability and a functioning government or we can leave the country to chaos which will likely ensue if we just up and leave at this moment. If we leave the Shiite factions are going to fight it out, and Sadr is likely to take charge of them and ally with Iran, the Sunnis are going to turn to whoever is willing to help them, likely Saudi Arabia and various terrorist groups of the Al Qaeda variety. The Kurds will just get screwed for Turkey and Iran won't allow an internationally recognized Kurdish nation. An ethnic cleansing will ensue where there will be millions of dead and there will be terrorist havens, atleast until another strongman (gangster, thug) takes over. I don't believe we should have an open committment to the country but at least a couple more years to give the various government factions time to compromise and exert control. The lack of the Iraqi government to do anything meaningful (as well as to be outright lazy by letting us do most of the work while they take "summer breaks") has ticked me off but I'm willing to give them some more time. | |
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