| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 3/28/2008 10:10:40 AM | This is a quote from Reverend Wright: "The Italians for the most part looked down their garlic noses at the Galileans."
When asked about Wright's controversial statements and comparing them to Don Imus remarks Obama said there is a big difference, "Wright is a retired pastor." Does that make overtly racist remarks alright? Shouldn't a person be held accountable by what they say vs the occupation, or lack thereof, where they are employed? On The View, I heard one of the most ignorant people on the planet, Joy Behar, state that this isn't an insult!" But then again, this is the same woman who said that only whites can be racist because she learned it in her sociology class. Joy, do us all a favor and ask for a refund and give back your degree.
It blows my mind how the same people who condemn others for racist speech will blow off what others say because of their agenda. This quote from Wright was not an endearing quote. It was using a racial stereotype to insult an entire ethnic group. It is the equivalent of nappy headed hose. If we are going to condemn people for what they say then it should be ALL people or NONE. I'm very tired of the ad hominem argument of checking who said it before we go on the attack or choose to ignore a person's statements.
In this country we are entitled to Free Speech and that is a great thing. However, why is it that some speeches are more free than others? Why is it that one person, criticizing or insulting one group is deemed as more offensive than a different person insulting another group? Is it alright for Italians to be defamed (with an obviously stereotypical nose reference with garlic thrown in there for emphasis) and African-Americans to get a pass because they are on some "do not offend" list? I abhor all forms of racism because it is based upon ignorance. And ignorance is an individual, not a group problem. RACISM and BIGOTRY cannot possibly ever end until EVERYONE is held accountable for what they say and free speech is allowed to expose the true bigots in our society. There is no defense to stereotypical or racist remarks and it is time to stop looking at the race, name or affiliations of a person to say, "It's wrong!" | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 3/28/2008 11:14:24 AM | "garlic noses"...have to remember that line next time I see Dom at the restaurant...he'll crack right up!
Big deal..."garlic noses"...those getting their noses out of joint for a comment fomr some cracker needs their head examined. Frikkin' people.... | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 3/28/2008 11:21:03 AM | Obama mentioned his church during his appearance with Oprah. It's the Trinity Church of Christ. I found this interesting.
Obama's church:
Please read and go to this church's website and read what is written there. It is very alarming.
Barack Obama is a member of this church and is running for President of the U.S. If you look at the first page of their website, you will learn that this congregation has a non-negotiable
commitment to Africa. No where is AMERICA even mentioned. Notice too, what color you will need to be if you should want to join
Obama's church... B-L-A-C-K!!!
Strip away his nice looks, the big smile and smooth talk and what do you get? Certainly a racist, as plainly defined by the stated position of his church! This guy desires to rule over America
while his loyalty is totally vested in a Black Africa!
I cannot believe this has not been all over the TV and newspapers.
This is why it is so important to pass this message a long to all of
our family &friends. To think that Obama has even the slightest
chance in the run for the presidency, is really scary.
Click on the link below:
This is the web page for the church Barack Obama belongs to:
www.tucc.org/about.htm
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On another subject (kind of the same lines though) I think that all those people on welfare and "Benefits Checks" should have to do a drug test before getting their check...actually it is the law abiding, tax paying trying to do it the right way who pays for their checks. While they sit on their dead a** and do drugs and goof off....ugh what a whacked world we live in. | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 3/28/2008 3:07:43 PM | | The point is, yna6, that if we are going to blow off comments from one person that are definitely slurs then it should apply all around and it doesn't. The reality is that if you are of one ethnic group you get a pass and if you are a member of another one you get fired. What is the difference between "garlic noses" and "nappy headed?" They both point out physical characteristics that are associated with certain ethnicities. Have Italians lined up demanding apologies from Wright? Have Italians protested? Do the Italians even have the equivalent poverty pimp of Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton going on national talk shows to claim that they have been insulted? I could care less about the comment re: garlic noses, it's the old sticks and stones thing. However, I do care about is the fact that free speech should involve a level playing field. And it doesn't. And a large part of the problem involves buffoons who put a spin on words based upon the race and ethnicity of who said them. | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 3/28/2008 3:17:11 PM | Interesting topic. Double standards have existed, well, forever. And I'm afraid, will be around forever.
My father was Italian and Irish. My mother is half African American and half Polish..
Does that make me a "nappy headed, garlic nosed, beer swilling, potatoe eater who can't tell up from down?
Sure would look good on a resume. | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 3/28/2008 7:15:40 PM | Mike...but Italians got stuff going for them...like pizza. What do other shave going for them? Hmm...chinese food...sushi...sphaghetti and other pasta....grits? Hmmm....havn't seen Swanson "backslab bacon an grits" in my frozen food section. Haven't seen "jambalya" either. hmmm...have seen black-eyed peas though...but not a profusion of it.
We are always gonna have slurs....we take them and live with them. Heck...I got family I think of as slurs on me! LOL!
The thing that gets me is that if you are NOT "PC" today, you get labeled as a racist.
I have always stood for "equality" Nobody gets a hand up or a hand-out because of race, sex, religion, colour...nothing. All treated equally. Most people feel that is VERY intolerant of me. Tough cookies. Anyone trying to use any of those qualities to garner financial support or public sympathy are the REAL racists. "Professionl victims" of the first order, who need their heads examined and pronounced brain-dead to the real world.
People do need help...on an individual basis ONLY, not as a group. An immediate family group, yes...but not a race as a whole. If the gov't did this, we'd se far less racial intolerance and a lot less "native" lobbists (read 'professional Indians'). These guys are using their positions as spokespersons to try and swindle billions out of the taxpayers paockets...and getting it! Then they demand even more. And more! It can end with the stroke of a pen.
Sit on the reserves and take the handouts...or come off and BE citizens. Very simple. Some politician will have the guts to actually do this some day...and end all this controversy. Until then, the grass-roots movement of the outraged taxpayer will continue to grow.
As of now, during a recent poll, 70% of Canadians feel that natives should NOT be granted "land claims". The taxpayer is growing tired...and angry. | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 3/28/2008 8:42:19 PM | I agree yna6, what bugs me is the hypocrisy. And I'm with you all the way re: standing for equality. And you're 100% right re: the whole PC nonsense. I find PC offensive. I actually co-authored a book many years ago titled: The Politically Incorrect Jokebook written by 4 white males. The book was full of humor that made fun of everyone. However, in today's climate it is completely ridiculous for any group to demand equality and then turn around and demand special treatment because they are in some group that was once oppressed. It's a classic case of some people wanting things cut both ways.
I'm with you re: the oversensitivity aspect. Hell, a joke is a joke. Imus made a stupid, unfunny and insensitive joke that the professional victims turned into a witchhunt and got him fired. What irks me is this Wright guy has said a lot worse in a serious context and he's defended by the exact same people who called for Imus' head. | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 3/28/2008 9:29:24 PM | | So your saying it's o.k. to slur italians because they have something going for them??? What about sports? Barry Bonds? Michael Jordon? What about Michael Jackson? What is he chopped liver? | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 3/29/2008 6:23:35 PM | | What gets me is the prestidigitation by the Obama worshipers. They distract us with the 30 second sound bites argument while the core beliefs and agenda of his church go unquestioned... | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 3/30/2008 11:31:10 AM | Who does this Wright fellow think he is?
Judea was conquered Roman territory.
part of the greatest empire ever.
He needs to study his history. | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 3/30/2008 11:52:20 AM | "I think that all those people on welfare and "Benefits Checks" should have to do a drug test before getting their check"
Only if this includes CORPORATE welfare.
("I don't care if you ARE the Chairman of General Electric,
(' ') you still have to whiz in this cup!") | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 3/30/2008 12:14:39 PM | | The difference I see is Imus is a "shock Jock" therefore pretty much expect to hear off the wall comments/remarks. A reverand retired or not is a leader in a community and should set an example. Although I don't see what he has said being offensive I will have to agree with the OP in regards to how freedom of speech only applies to certain folks. I guess it will only apply to those who make the most noise who knows but I am personally tired of hearing the bellyaching.... | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 3/30/2008 12:32:51 PM | IM half italian and frankly, Im not all that offended. We as a culture are full of people who enjoy self depricating humor and can laugh at ourselves and the stereotypes - stereotypes, which are grounded in some modicum of reality.
I don't care all that much and even laugh at stereotype based humor. If its Imus cracking on Nappy headed hos or Carlos Mencia or Dave Chappelle making fun of any variety of ethnicities and their stereotypes, it doesn't matter - it IS funny and for the most part, not all that hurtful.
What Wright says about Italians and Whites can be construed as hate speech, given its context - but again - its only damaging if you allow it to be. TIme has come in this world where we need to realize that some people are never going to change - all that can be done for civil rights has been done - its up to us as individuals now, to decide where we will conduct our lives and how. | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 3/30/2008 3:16:26 PM | | I'm curious as to how his defenders are going to explain that talking about Italians and their "garlic noses" is really just the good Reverend venting frustration over inequality for blacks in America, and how it's not at all racist or hateful. | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 3/30/2008 3:22:08 PM | | The guy is a loose cannon, but let me get this straight: is he talking about life 2,000 years ago? | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 3/30/2008 5:49:46 PM | What happened 2-3,000 years ago isn't a great deal of interest to me, apparantly it is to the religious types.
A more interesting matter is how and why Jesus Christ, a Galilean, grew blue eyes and blonde hair? He most certainly had Arabic features....dark eyes, black hair, coffee colored skin ..... why do we never see Christ portrayed like the current day Palestinians look? | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 3/31/2008 2:29:29 AM | I am a proud second generation Sicilian, and I'd like to take this opportunity to say what has been a sore point my entire life. No sooner do you say the word 'Sicilian', you know the next word out of the other person's mouth is going to be "mafia". I was teaching at a college and one of my colleagues was actually afraid that if he crossed me, I was going to do him in.
This characterization of Sicilians as automatically becoming mafioso is perpetuated in the media. Just keep your eyes and ears open, and you will see what I mean.
The irony for me personally is that one of the reasons my grandfather came to this country is that he was approached by the mafia and refused to join. Such a refusal meant death if he did not leave. There are many Sicilians there and in the USA who are strongly anti-mafia.
Such stereotypes diminish a great and ancient culture. The best existing Greek temples are in Sicily. Palermo was the first European city to have a cathedral, a synagogue, and a mosque, where people of all faiths could openly worship. Sicily is a unique blend of Greek, Arab, and Norman influences.
Tired of not saying anything in my youth, I now challenge anyone who derisively lumps me in with a dangerous criminal organization. | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 3/31/2008 4:30:49 AM | Zeppolino, good post.
The media loves to slur anyone that is not of one certain religion..
It has become such that if you mention Italian, people think Mafia.
If you mention Muslim, you think terrorist.
If you mention Catholic, you think child molesting priest.
If you mention German, you think Nazi.
However, when is the last time you saw a Jew being portrayed in a negative light? When you mention Jew, victim, innocent, comes to mind. It's not by accident. | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 3/31/2008 3:40:34 PM | | Rev Wright is a demonstrable fraud. The first item in the Biblical list of Christian qualities is THANKFULNESS. Rev Wright has yet to be heard thanking any non black person for anything or his country for anything it has provided him or even thanking God for anything about this country. His pockets are bulging with its money, his belly is bulging with fatness from thousands of its sumptious meals, he lives in a mansion and rides in expensive cars, and still he does nothing but gd dmn America and everyone else, not of his race. Where is the thankfulness? Is it too much to ask for a hint of that first of all Christian virtues? What about the millions of white guys who died for our freedom in wars like WWI, and WWII, can we at least get a "Praise the Lord" or a "Thank you Jesus" for them, Rev? How can a person claim to be a Christian or anything else for that matter and be totally void of it's main precept? He's a fraud. | |
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