| BEC's and ORMES Posted: 4/1/2008 12:03:53 PM | I'm just throwing this out there
I've come across some interesting ideas lately concerning superconductors and such... then I learned about monoatomic elements (which I never even heard about before) then the BEC's, and I wonder if there isn't possibly a connection between them. BEC's have been created (or discoveed) by cooling atoms to near zero point energy.. and ORMES are naturally occurring monoatomic elements..which include the platinum groups (metals).. and both are supposedly superconductors.
Is there a connection at the quantum level and what can we do with these things? | |
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| BEC's and ORMES Posted: 4/1/2008 9:58:57 PM | Orbitally Rearranged Monatomic Elements (ORMEs) is a new idea that is claimed by someone called David Hudson. But so far, have found nothing concrete on it, and it could just be another hoax.
Bose–Einstein condensates (BECs) are at nearly 0 K, or -273 C. They do have some very interesting properties, not the least of which is superconductivity. According to Wikipedia and supeconductors.org, the hottest recorded superconductor is 138 K, which is still -135 C. However, it seems that trains like the maglev use supercooled magnets, that act as BECs. They tend to cost a lot more than normal conductors, though. Much more brittle too. | |
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| BEC's and ORMES Posted: 4/2/2008 8:20:57 AM | I don't know about the "orbitally rearranged" part.. although I have found that monoatomic elements in the metals group DO exist in nature...and have interesting properties...one being that they do not "bind" with other metallic atoms (maybe could be used as a lubricant?)
There is a relation to electro-magnetism in that they are not "polarized" in the same sense as most elements which has something to do with the electrons. But I am not a chemist by any means. BUT could it possible be a way for use to be able to "levitate" objects in a way that reduces energy needs? This could have great implications.. as "transport" of commodities is a huge drain on energy. Just some thoughts.. | |
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| BEC's and ORMES Posted: 4/2/2008 4:56:06 PM |
I don't know about the "orbitally rearranged" part.. although I have found that monoatomic elements in the metals group DO exist in nature...and have interesting properties...one being that they do not "bind" with other metallic atoms Monoatomic materials are indeed materials that are entirely composed of separate atoms that have no bonds between each other. However, the only molecules that are well-known to exhibit monoatomic behaviour, that don't act with any need to bond to others, are the inert gases Helium, Neon, Argon, Krypton, Xenon, Radon and Ununoctium. They are listed as the right-most elements on the Periodic Table, because their shells are all full, so they don't need to bond. Basically, from what I learned, all other elements desire to have full shells like the inert gases, and therefore establish either ionic or covalent bonds in order to achieve this. As a result, all other elements seek to bond with other atoms in order to achieve this. So I would find it incredibly unlikely to find pure monoatomic metals, because that would imply to me that atomic chemistry and quantum physics is entirely wrong, and it seems that both have many far-reaching consequences, which keep being found to be true. However, it would be incredibly hard to find monoatomic metals, because even a tiny amount of any material contains an incredibly amount of molecules. For instance a mole of gold weighs 196.97 grams. But a mole is 6.02214×10^23 atoms, or 602,214,000,000,000,000,000,000 atoms. So a trillionth of a gram of gold would contain 3,057,389,450 atoms of gold, about 3 BILLION atoms. Even if you could pick up a trillionth of a gram of gold, how would you check those 3 billion atoms to see that they haven't bonded with other atoms? They are just too small to examine.
It might be possible, but you'd have to rewrite some major parts of quantum physics.
BUT could it possible be a way for use to be able to "levitate" objects in a way that reduces energy needs? You're talking about the Meissner effect. It occurs in semiconductors. AFAIK, the metal semiconductors such as those used in the Maglev trains, those trains that "float" on magnets, only become semiconducting at a temperature close to absolute zero, which AFAIK, is where atoms become Bose-Einstein Condensates. So it seems that your usual semiconductors only exist in the same conditions as your BECs.
There are some experiments in superconducting alloys at about -135 C. But they are alloys and aren't monoatomic at all.
Further, as far as the claims of monoatomic metal goes:
Other elements which have many of these same properties are the Precious Metals, which include Ruthenium, Rhodium, Palladium, Silver, Osmium, Iridium, Platinum, and Gold. http://www.halexandria.org/dward479.htm
Moreover, in my reading, Gold is the most commonly quoted example of a monoatomic metal.
However, please look at this:
Superconductivity does not occur in noble metals like Au and Ag, nor in most ferromagnetic metals, though a number of materials displaying both superconductivity and ferromagnetism have been discovered in recent years. http://fluxongroup.physik.uni-erlangen.de/pages/research/superconductivity/index.html
Au is Gold. Ag is Silver.
Further, it appears that Ruthenium, Rhodium, Palladium, Silver, Osmium, Iridium, Platinum, and Gold are ALL Precious Metals,
A precious metal is a rare metallic chemical element of high economic value. Chemically, the precious metals are less reactive than most elements, have high luster, are softer or more ductile, and have higher melting points than other metals. Historically, precious metals were important as currency, but are now regarded mainly as investment and industrial commodities. Gold, silver, platinum and palladium each have an ISO 4217 currency code.
The best-known precious metals are gold and silver. While both have industrial uses, they are better known for their uses in art, jewellery and coinage. Other precious metals include the platinum group metals: ruthenium, rhodium, palladium, osmium, iridium and platinum, of which platinum is the most widely traded. Rhenium is a precious metal that is not part of the platinum group or one of the traditional precious metals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precious_metals
Please note that ALL of the metals listed as monoatomic metals with superconduncting properties are the same as the list of metals which are the most expensive to buy, Precious Metals. Also, if you were to buy "monoatomic" metals, I would imagine that most people would expect to be buying gold dust or iridium dust, an a price much more expensive than normal gold. But gold comes in solid bars. You cannot make jewellery out of dust. Before dust could be used, it would normally need to be collected and then smelted. So you could probably buy gold dust at a much lower price than normal gold. You can get it from a goldsmith, or a gold dealer, like the ones my mother used to work for, or anyone who deals or works with gold, because some of the gold will come off as dust.
If I was interested in making a scam, I could buy gold dust at much cheaper rates than normal gold, and then sell it at much higher prices than normal gold as monoatomic "superconducting" gold. After all, if you bought it, and you wanted a refund, on what basis would you get a refund? That you were conned? What person wants to admit that they were conned into buying incredibly expensive dust? All I would have to do is send them a cheque from a company called "Magic Dust, Inc." If anyone walked into their bank to cash that cheque, it would make them a laughing stock. So very few people will be willing to cash that cheque.
In case you are interested, someone approached me with the idea of a similar scheme, but in another area.
Without serious scientific studies or at least someone who you are 100% would never ever lie, I could not be this isn't just a scam, no different than the emails telling you that you've won the lottery if you send $1000 to them for "administration fees".
This could have great implications.. as "transport" of commodities is a huge drain on energy. Just some thoughts.. There is already a lot of research into this, in the form of semiconductor magnets. Check out Maglev trains. The Japanese bullet train is one. | |
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