| Pizza man shooting would-be robber is good example
Posted: 4/2/2008 8:39:28 PM | I do not personally own a hand gun. I do however, think the story about the pizza delivery guy in Des Moines shooting the would-be robber is a great example of why extreme measures of gun control are a bad idea in this country.
A local Des Moines radio station reported this morning that the robber told the delivery man, "I'm going to blow your head off".
This innocent man might be dead right now if he had not had a gun to defend himself.
Do you think this strengthens the case for private citizens to continue owning guns? Or is it no big deal? | |
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| Pizza man shooting would-be robber is good example
Posted: 4/3/2008 6:03:46 AM | And if the person killed was just some unarmed nut shooting off his mouth? Or the pizza guy lied? What then?
Firearms are weapons. Like all weapons they require training and restraint if they are to be used properly. I've no objection to a person having a firearm. I just want the person wielding it to know more about them than which end of it the bang comes out of. | |
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| Pizza man shooting would-be robber is good example
Posted: 4/3/2008 1:55:44 PM | If Pizza man had a permit to carry the weapon I applaud him for it.
I am retired military and law enforcement and I carry a .40 Glock 27
with me almost everywhere. What good is the weapon if it is home,
unloaded in a drawer. What is the assailant or a potential victim going to do,
wait for you to go home and get it so you can shoot him?
One thing here though, if you have a weapon and you pull it out,
you better be dammed well ready to use it or the bad guy might take
it away from you and use it on YOU. | |
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| Pizza man shooting would-be robber is good example
Posted: 4/3/2008 2:18:07 PM |
What kind of society allows a bad person to carry a gun??
Think about it.
No society "allows" bad people to carry guns. Bad people get guns DESPITE the law which is intended to keep them from getting them (which is why bad folks are usually called "criminals"). This is reason #1 why Washington, D.C. has the highest crime (handgun, etc.) in the nation: the decent folk can't have a gun while the miscreant doesn't care about the law and preys upon those he/she knows are not armed.
The only laws regarding firearms which can possibly be Constitutional are A) those intended to prevent felons and other criminals from possessing them (it must be understood, however, that criminals will STILL acquire arms and use them for nefarious purposes), and B) those which provide severe penalties for the criminal misuse of arms. PERIOD! Any other law constitutes blatant infringement of the right of "the people" to keep and bear arms.
SCOTUS needs to settle this once and for all time with it's current opportunity (District of Columbia v. Heller). An individual "right" cannot be rationed by the people from whom such rights are specifically protected--it's like charging the cat to watch the canary; the wolf to guard the hen house; the diamond thief to mind the jewelry store.
The Constitution does not grant the people of the United States any rights, instead it specifically protects certain rights which the Founders understood are given to us by God and are essential to liberty. The Bill of Rights protects us ("the people") from the very government which the Constitution created.
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| Pizza man shooting would-be robber is good example
Posted: 4/3/2008 2:32:15 PM | No society "allows" bad people to carry guns.
Actually, any society with minimal to non-existant limitations on purchase/ownership and virtually no registration requirements is allowing "bad people" to carry guns simply by virtue of the fact that there is limited to no control over who can purchase one.
In a country that produces 3.5 - 4 MILLION guns per year with limited distribution controls, you can be ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that a significant portion will end up in the hands of "bad people".
given to us by God
I hear this one a lot but, you know what, in all of my years I have yet to find any portion of the Bible that affirms these "God-given" rights. Near as I can see most Constitutional rights are man-made, not God-given. | |
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| Pizza man shooting would-be robber is good example
Posted: 4/3/2008 2:42:49 PM | I think what the Pizza Dude did is acceptable. I used to deliver pizzas myself in some rough neighborhoods. I didn't get robbed myself, but I know drivers who did get robbed. I can't fault someone at all for carrying the means to defend oneself. I believe in a complete solution, though. Armed citizens...better career/lifestyle training for young people and indigents.......and long jail-terms for criminals. You've got to attack every angle of the problem.
But in short, yeah--guns are part of the American way. | |
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| Pizza man shooting would-be robber is good example
Posted: 4/3/2008 2:54:07 PM | Regardless of whether or not it is a God given right, it is a constitutional right. In most that states that I know of that allow concealed carry you do have to take training classes.
As far as registering a gun. I am against that. You or my neighbor have no business knowing that I own a gun. The government has no business knowing I have a gun.
What happens if our government falls? The first people that the new government would come after are those that have registered guns.
Now, before all you antis tell me that would or could never happen.........just remember that the same kind of people thought the Twin Towers would never be attacked.
There is a real serious push by the Democrats to ban guns. If we let them win, you will also lose a LOT of your other rights.
The Justice Dept. reports that there are over 2.5 million cases a year where a citizen used a gun to protect themselves. Over half of these cases were women protecting themselves and their kids from an intruder.
I will keep my guns, Thanks. You don't have to own a gun. But don't even try to tell me that we would be better off without them. | |
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| Pizza man shooting would-be robber is good example
Posted: 4/3/2008 3:06:13 PM | | Yeah look what happened to all the ppl in New orleans during katrina.. they were protecting themselves and property and the cops kicked in their doors and took their guns leaving them defensless to all the thugs and criminals running around. sorry to say but more and more america is turning into a police state. And as the .gov continues to attack americans (9/11, pearl harbor) to strike fear in our hearts to get us to comply.. i.e the patriot act. more and more rights are going out the window and we let them. So gun owners and american need to stand up and enough is enough. | |
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| Pizza man shooting would-be robber is good example
Posted: 4/3/2008 4:40:21 PM | Check out this site and you will see the truth about gun control.
 No bias there, what with legend comments like "subject to local ordinances and harassment" or "Unconstitutional Firearm Tax Card - Tax on right to keep arms, 4 states, D.C. and Cuba" (Cuba is a US state/territory?).
And best of all, the little yellow "hammer and sickle" imposed over the state map of Illinois. | |
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| Pizza man shooting would-be robber is good example
Posted: 4/3/2008 6:25:49 PM | In a country that produces 3.5 - 4 MILLION guns per year with limited distribution controls, you can be ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that a significant portion will end up in the hands of "bad people".
Do you also favor strict restrictions on speech, the press, assembly, religion, petitioning the government, being secure in one's own person, home, papers, and effects? | |
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| Pizza man shooting would-be robber is good example
Posted: 4/3/2008 6:41:10 PM | you know what the old bumper sticker says......When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns
and there's another good one......You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers
love, leslie
(red neck gun ownin' okie girl)
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| Pizza man shooting would-be robber is good example
Posted: 4/3/2008 6:43:43 PM |
What are you a Canadian or something dressed like a John Wayne with no gun?
Well no, I'm not a canadian, and I do own guns, just not hand guns. I have rifles. I think John Wayne had a couple of those too! | |
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| Pizza man shooting would-be robber is good example
Posted: 4/3/2008 7:11:36 PM | Canadian gun laws are foolish in the extreme. I don't want my gun locked up, unloaded, and unaccessable when I need it in a hurry. But, if I don't, I can lose the gun, be fined or jailed and no longer allowed to buy a gun for years afterwards. Plus I have to take courses that I must pay for and buy different permits and run through a lot of paperwork, wiating time, etc, etc. Totally nuts.
Hey...the guy was a criminal...he wanted the thrills of being a bad guy...he got them! As far as I am concerned, if the guy was robbing someone and got hisself shot, it's because he asked for it. Plain and simple.
As far as shooting someone and lying about it...takes a lot more to set up than you may think. Can't very well have some "vigilante" out there blowing bad guys away because he felt "intimidated", can we? But we sure can mace 'em or tazer them....so, make those legal. | |
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| Pizza man shooting would-be robber is good example
Posted: 4/3/2008 7:50:24 PM |
And if the person killed was just some unarmed nut shooting off his mouth? Or the pizza guy lied? What then?
Romantic Heretic, I considered the same question.
The robber is not dead though, and police have charged him with attempted robbery and are considering charging his girlfriend with conspiracy to commit robbery.
(red neck gun ownin' okie girl)
I'll be watchin' my P's and Q's the next time I pass through Oklahoma!
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| Pizza man shooting would-be robber is good example
Posted: 4/3/2008 8:02:44 PM |
There is a real serious push by the Democrats to ban guns. If we let them win, you will also lose a LOT of your other rights.
As if we haven't lost damn near all our rights with the when it was totally Republicans in charge? | |
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| Pizza man shooting would-be robber is good example
Posted: 4/4/2008 6:14:22 AM | I live in a conceal/carry state.MO.
And I do.
And I have learned the difference of someones mouth "shootin" off and the weapon shooting off he is threatening my life with.Wonder how many kids at[fill in the blank]would have been glad to know someone in their midst had the knowledge and personality to stand up and save them or their friends from the person who was randomly shooting them down?Even if you don't have the desire....be hopeful someone around you does. | |
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| Pizza man shooting would-be robber is good example
Posted: 4/4/2008 9:23:30 AM | dear john wayne,
never fear, we admire gentlemen who watch their P's and Q's around here, and they are held in high regard. we'll even smile and wave as you pass through.
we'll hold fire as well
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| Pizza man shooting would-be robber is good example
Posted: 4/4/2008 10:06:11 PM | Yeah Hitcher, I was thinking the same thing when I started it, seriously I was, but what the heck, went ahead with it anyway.
It'll die soon, then you can find something else to put down. | |
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| Pizza man shooting would-be robber is good example
Posted: 4/4/2008 10:26:34 PM | I'm a Canadian. Never owned a gun, never needed one. Not even when I visited Texas.
And I am a damn good shot, FNC1 and Browning semi-auto. Also with a bow and arrow, and a slingshot both of which are silent.
I'm a real nice guy, but I'm not a fanatic about it. | |
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