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Posted: 4/3/2008 5:45:53 PM | This is why Harper doesn't let anybody speak to the media without his approval. To prevent these kinds of comments from getting out, as they have so often in the past.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewan/story/2008/04/03/lukiwski-video.html
The video.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/video/vs?id=RTGAM.20080403.wvcomments0403
Saskatchewan MP apologizes for anti-gay slur
This story contains language that may be offensive to some readers
Last Updated: Thursday, April 3, 2008 | 5:57 PM CT Comments138Recommend209CBC News
A Saskatchewan MP says he's sorry for comments he made on tape in 1991 that the NDP says are offensive and homophobic.
A flush-faced Tom Lukiwski offered his apologies to reporters in Ottawa on Thursday, but would not answer questions on whether he would resign.
Conservative MP Tom Lukiwski apologizes Thursday for anti-homosexual comments made on a 1991 tape found by NDP staff.
(CBC) "If I could take those comments back, I would," the Conservative MP for Regina Lumsden-Lake Centre said. "I would give anything to take those comments back. They do not reflect the type of person that I am. I can only say that on behalf of myself, my family and my children, I am sorry. I am ashamed."
The apology came after the Saskatchewan NDP released a video recording in Regina on Thursday that showed Lukiwski making disparaging remarks about homosexuals. The New Democrats called on the prime minister to remove Lukiwski from the party caucus.
The NDP said it found the 17-year-old tape when it moved into the Opposition offices at the provincial legislature.
"How did I feel when I viewed it? I think I can say disturbing — his comments were disturbing, and it made me feel rather sick," said New Democrat MLA Pat Atkinson.
Shortly after Atkinson released the tape to media in Regina, New Democrat MP Bill Siksay raised the matter during question period in Ottawa.
The B.C. MP said the video showed Lukiwski referring to "homosexual faggots with dirt under their fingernails who spread diseases."
Lukiwski was the general manager of the Saskatchewan Progressive Conservatives in 1991. He was first elected as a Conservative MP in 2004.
Siksay demanded Lukiwski apologize immediately or face disciplinary action from his own party.
Tories stand by MP
But Government house leader Peter Van Loan later said the Conservatives are standing by Lukiwski since he's apologized for his remarks and stated that he no longer hold the opinions expressed in the video.
"We welcome that quick and unequivocal apology and consider the matter is now closed," said Van Loan.
Lukiwski was first elected in 2004. The previous MP for that riding, Larry Spencer, was suspended from the Canadian Alliance caucus after he told a reporter he would support a law to outlaw homosexuality.
When he ran for office, Lukiwski criticized Spencer for those remarks.
The tape also includes comments from Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall that Atkinson said were "troubling."
She said Wall was using an "immigrant accent" and ended with a disparaging reference to then NDP Opposition leader Roy Romanow.
In 1991, Wall was a ministerial assistant working for the Progressive Conservative government. He was a candidate for the Tories in the October 1991 election, but failed to be elected.
On Thursday afternoon, Wall also offered apologies for his comments. He said he wasn't making fun of Eastern European people or Ukrainians in the video when he used an accent. In the video, Wall can be heard saying, "Roy Romanow got his head up his ass."
Wall said Thursday he's trying to get in touch with Romanow to apologize one-to-one.
"I used words in reference to Mr. Romanow that I teach my kids not to use and hope they don't," he said. "It's not something that I'm going to show at Christmas time, certainly. It's obviously not a very good example of how anybody at any age should conduct themselves."
With files from the Canadian Press
Anti immigrant, and gay, if he threw in a joke about beating his wife he'd have it covered. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 7:20:43 PM | | I wouldn't say it's reflective of the whole party besides that it was 17 yrs ago but then again I don't know a whole lot about Canadian politics. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 7:29:42 PM | | How does being anti-gay, and anti- immigrant relate to spousal abuse? Thats one of the worst comparisons I have ever heard. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 7:34:54 PM | I know in 17 years MY opinions and views have changed...so why can't a politicians? Oh, yeah...all old farts and set in their ways. Duh...
If I could "take back" certain things I said 17 years agop, maybe I would...but I wouldn't be the same person I am today. We all say and do things we realize later may have been hurtful....sometimes we get a chance to rectify it..often we let it be water under the bridge and work towards making ourselves better people. So do politicians.
This whole thing is a "non-issue" as far as I am concerned.
Seems Canadian news has many a slow day, and has to dig back a long ways to find anything to say! | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 7:36:15 PM |
How does being anti-gay, and anti- immigrant relate to spousal abuse? Thats one of the worst comparisons I have ever heard.
The OP is a model case of bigotry .
That's what liberals are ...intolerant bigots who want to go on witch hunts for anyone who said or thought something they don't agree with since it doesn't conform to their programming of "political correctness " ....even if it happened more than a decade ago !!
These liberal sorts of people are dangerous to a free society .I often find the venom liberals spew to be very offensive , but , I certainly support their freedom of speech. I wonder if they offer the same?
It is scary that these sorts of liberals are so common and that they have the establishment main stream media as their allies as shown by the publicity given to this witchhunt ....the snivelling little totalitarians.
It's best to try to ignore them while standing up for everyone's free speech. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 7:40:06 PM | I think the NDP are making a big deal out of nothing.
This happened 17 years ago. The NDP asking for him to be removed from caucus is over the top. His apology should be enough.
I am sure we have all said things that we regret. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 8:05:51 PM | I wouldn't say it's reflective of the whole party besides that it was 17 yrs ago but then again I don't know a whole lot about Canadian politics.
The guy that was in the tape? Replaced another guy who got canned because he made homophobic comments. It's a well known feature of the conservative party.
How does being anti-gay, and anti- immigrant relate to spousal abuse? Thats one of the worst comparisons I have ever heard.
Mmmm maybe I should have gone with sexist commentary. I was kidding about hitting every single form of bigotry.
oh well he could have said something about Jews or Muslims too.
The OP is a model case of bigotry .
That's what liberals are ...intolerant bigots who want to go on witch hunts for anyone who said or thought something they don't agree with since it doesn't conform to their programming of "political correctness " ....even if it happened more than a decade ago !!
You're bitching because I'm not sufficiently tollerant of intolerance. Ummm ok then guilty as charged.
Anybody who throws that argument around usually just has no problem with the initial comment to begin with. Just be honest, you think he was right!
So tell me, how long is long enough to take an apology seriously, it's not like this guy wasn't an adult when he made these comments. We're not talking about "in my college years I said some things I shouldn't have said."
Anyway, the problem is that the conservative party CONSTANTLY has crap like this happen, essentially they're the party of bigotry. They've had multiple people have to resign in the past over just this sort of crap, and guess what? Harper has made it for the first time in canadian history that the media can't speak to his own party members without his authority. Just so he can keep a lid on exactly this sort of crap.
Now I admit, 17 years is a long time ago. But you have to remember, this guy was SELECTED to replace a man who was making the exact same sorts of comments. It's a pattern of behavior here, and frankly considering this happend at a freaking conservative PARTY, I think it says something about their internal make up.
So if not having much love for a political group of homophobes, racists, and sexist jerks makes me a bigot. Guilty as charged, I guess I'm a "bigotist"
> Tom Lukiwski, MP, is not allowed free speech. He must get that idea right out of his head.
> Best wishes to anyone who treasures free speech and freedom of thought.
Oh he's allowed to say it, I'm not saying he should be put in jail, I'm saying that he should be held responsible for it. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 8:15:41 PM | > Tom Lukiwski, MP, is not allowed free speech. He must get that idea right out of his head.
> Best wishes to anyone who treasures free speech and freedom of thought.
> Soul Union. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 8:33:44 PM | | this is a non issue, the ndp's are dying to literally -politically gain any kind of points they can in anyway they can. forget it already and talk about things way more important than that. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 9:01:13 PM |
You're ****ing because I'm not sufficiently tollerant of intolerance. Ummm ok then guilty as charged.
Ok , oh great one....what else will you decide everyone must tolerate ?
Be sure to keep us posted .
The truest thing that you have said is that you are guilty ...... that , I very much agree with.
YAWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!
Yawning at a liberal religious service. A "special interest" has been blasphemied and it happened just over a decade ago at that !....This is important stuff.
lol
You're ****ing because I'm not sufficiently tollerant of intolerance. Ummm ok then guilty as charged.
Well said!
Yup , it would make sense to liberal . lol
Anybody who throws that argument around usually just has no problem with the initial comment to begin with. Just be honest, you think he was right!
Oh oh!! , am I going to under go the inquisition myself ?
Go away you control freak .
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Posted: 4/3/2008 9:03:41 PM | I just watched/listened to the video on the CBC news webiste, and yeah, they are being jerks, but I don't see why such a fuss must be raised about this. Sure, they were adults, but they were somewhat drunk and farting around with a camera, both situations which can bring out the worst and most insensitive comments from all of us. And for the record, I am a member of the NDP, regularly volunteer for my NDP candidate during elections, and generally hold the NDP in high regard, but in this case I disagree with their pushing the matter. And I move beyond political-correctness, to the point where the very ideas of race and gender (and the supposed categorization of these) can offend me, as I do not believe that they are useful categories (but it is late, and I am starting to get into my anthropological theorizing here...you wouldn't understand my points without probably at least a few years of anthropology/sociology theory...) Anyway...
Sure, this is somewhat of a pattern amongst conservatives, but his apology seemed sincere enough, and, as I say, they were just farting around, and half of what was said was probably meant strictly to be humour, though it was in very bad taste. Besides, the guys are being somewhat sexist, too, fringing on some things which could be considered harrassment today, and not at all appropriate behaviour for a campaign office (party or no party), but no one is picking up on those issues...
You're ****ing because I'm not sufficiently tollerant of intolerance. Ummm ok then guilty as charged.
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Posted: 4/3/2008 9:21:17 PM | And here I though this was the current events section.....17 yrs ago?? Do the liberals have staffs of people checking out the backgrounds of all the conservatives?? Does that pay well? I remember the Nazis had the Gestapo checking people out. The Soviets had the KGB. Canada and America have Liberals doing that, and people thought liberals were the party of tolerance.....LOL
Just remember who the people are who want to take away your FREEDOM and LIBERTY, the are called Liberals. Once you lose them, you are not going to get them back.
The conservative party, bigots
Now if that is not a generalized statement, what is???? What plans do liberals have for those EVIL conservatives?? Lynchings? Concentration camps? Higher taxes?
Anyway, the problem is that the conservative party CONSTANTLY has crap like this happen, essentially they're the party of bigotry
another comment to bring people together.....LOL
So Wife beating or spousal abuse is just a joke????? Now that Really says a lot. Thank you for that insight into your soul. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 9:29:54 PM |
And here I though this was the current events section.....17 yrs ago?? Do the liberals have staffs of people checking out the backgrounds of all the conservatives?? Does that pay well? I remember the Nazis had the Gestapo checking people out. The Soviets had the KGB. Canada and America have Liberals doing that, and people thought liberals were the party of tolerance.....LOL
http://www.freedomsite.org/new.html
Criminal complaint filed against Canadian “Human Rights” Commission for theft of WiFi signals in order to spy on Canadians and post racist messages on websites
March 18/08: CENSORSHIP BREAKER: CHRC wants Secret Hearing. Lemire Posts Evidence and will BLOG from Hearing!
March 17/08: Lemire Defence team Slams March 25 SECRET HEARINGS for CHRC Spies and Infiltrators
LIBERAL MP KEITH MARTIN: Open up the March 25 Marc Lemire Hearing in Ottawa
MACLEANS: Stalinist Tyranny in Canada: Dirty tricks of the Canadian Human Rights Commission exposed.
Canada has become a "HRC" Laughing Stock to the world: Cayman Islands hold up CHRC as example of Human Rights Commission out on control
Canadians Demand Public hearings on March 25 for CHRC testimony on Internet spying operations | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 9:31:21 PM | heh I'm just ammused how many people are trying to turn this thread into being about me. Watch as the bigots circle the wagons.
<div class='quote'>And here I though this was the current events section.....17 yrs ago?? Do the liberals have staffs of people checking out the backgrounds of all the conservatives?? Does that pay well? I remember the Nazis had the Gestapo checking people out. The Soviets had the KGB. Canada and America have Liberals doing that, and people thought liberals were the party of tolerance.....LOL
The idiots left the tape in an old office that was being taken over by an NDP.
http://www.freedomsite.org/new.html
March 18/08: CENSORSHIP BREAKER: CHRC wants Secret Hearing. Lemire Posts Evidence and will BLOG from Hearing!
March 17/08: Lemire Defence team Slams March 25 SECRET HEARINGS for CHRC Spies and Infiltrators
LIBERAL MP KEITH MARTIN: Open up the March 25 Marc Lemire Hearing in Ottawa
MACLEANS: Stalinist Tyranny in Canada: Dirty tricks of the Canadian Human Rights Commission exposed.
Canada has become a "HRC" Laughing Stock to the world: Cayman Islands hold up CHRC as example of Human Rights Commission out on control
Canadians Demand Public hearings on March 25 for CHRC testimony on Internet spying operations
Uh huh, let me guess what you're about tolerating and what you're not about tolerating.
<div class='quote'>Ok , oh great one....what else will you decide everyone must tolerate ?
No thats what we have a constitution for. You wear your bigotry on you sleeve. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 9:39:47 PM |
Uh huh, let me guess what you're about tolerating and what you're not about tolerating.
I tolerate all honest and sincere opinions.....even opinions I very much disagree with .....that's the small price to pay for living in a free society.
Get it?
Uh huh, let me guess what you're about tolerating and what you're not about tolerating.
Oh oh ! ....the iquisition again?
Thought police?
Get a life. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 9:54:49 PM |
No thats what we have a constitution for. You wear your bigotry on you sleeve
Tolerance??? I have not called anyone a bigot or any other names, but I think I could find a post or two on this thread where someone has......
heh I'm just ammused how many people are trying to turn this thread into being about me. Watch as the bigots circle the wagons.
Why look, I did not have to go very far at all.
Oh oh ! ....the iquisition again?
Thought police?
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Posted: 4/3/2008 10:08:49 PM | It's about time people stopped whinning like 5 year olds on the playground.
"Johnny called somebody a bad name! Boo Hoo Hoo!!!!"
I got past that stage in kindergarten.
There are a lot of sissy's out there that need to grow up.
And for those out there who are taking offence at my remarks. I say
"So What are you going do about it? Go tell your mommy?"
Sticks and stone may break my bones but words will never hurt me. A lesson many out there forgot to learn in preschool.
 Nan ya nan ya nann ya
Or as a former Liberal Prime Minister said on TV while giving the world the middle finger "Fuddle Duddle" | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 10:23:42 PM | We'll see three types of responses.
1.Those that think he should be held accountable for his actions.
2. Those who think enough time has gone past that his appology is sufficient. (this position I can understand even if I don't share)
3.Those who think what he said was just freaking fine, and wish people could still talk like that in polite company.
<div class="quote">There are a lot of sissy's out there that need to grow up.
And for those out there who are taking offence at my remarks. I say
"So What are you going do about it? Go tell your mommy?"
Way to minute, you're using verbal taunts and then telling other people to grow up? You're being childish and hipocritical, and also your annalogy doesn't make sense, because I'm not gay. So the comment isn't about me.
I tolerate all honest and sincere opinions.....even opinions I very much disagree with .....that's the small price to pay for living in a free society.
Get it?
Absolutely, so why may I ask are you not respecting my right to have an opinion? You seem to jump to defend homophobia, yet have no issues with insulting me for having my own opinion.
So what is it, does everybody have the right to express their opinion without concequences or do they not?
Anyway, I'm not saying he should have any stupid legal action against him or anything, I'm just saying, The conservative party? Basically a group of people with bigotry tourettets. They can't go a year without saying something stupid, or having something come out, it's as regular as Republican homosexual scandals. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 11:16:54 PM | OPoster has a future writing for that beacon of fair and balanced journalism, The Sun.
Why stop with the Conservatives? As we all know:
The Liberal Party, are all back stabbing money laundering bird flipping criminals.
The New Democrats, are all communist ring stealing baby killers.
The Bloc Quebécois, are all English hating curd eating terrorists.
The Green Party, are all flannel wearing pot smoking tree hugging vegan freaks.
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I'd be inclined to thank the MP for his years of public service before I condemned him for 13 seconds of ill conceived antics at a party nearly two decades ago.
Although first elected as a Member of Parliament in 2004, Tom Lukiwski has been a leader in Saskatchewan public life for many years.
In addition to running his own small business, Tom’s professional career has included serving as the Executive Director of the former Progressive Conservative Party of Saskatchewan and General Manager of the Saskatchewan Party. Born in Esterhazy, Saskatchewan in 1951, Tom has been a lifelong resident the province and has lived in the Regina-Lumsden-Lake Centre constituency for over two decades. He currently resides in Regina Beach with his wife Diane. He also has two grown sons, Tyler and Ryland.
Tom’s life has been full with a commitment to community service. He has served on the Labatt Brier Committee and the Saskatchewan Roughriders Marketing Board of Directors and has also played key roles with Skate Canada, the Bill Clarke Fundraiser in Support of Parkinsons Disease and the Peter Gzowski Fundraiser for Literacy.
Tom was first elected to the House of Commons on June 28th, 2004. He has served on many Parliamentary Committees including the Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy, and Ethics and the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs. He was also instrumental on the subcommittee that dealt with the Federal Accountability Act.
After being re-elected in January of 2006, Tom was sworn in at Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and Minister for Democratic Reform.
www.lukiwski.ca
Um...Skate Canada? Seems rather odd that a homophobe would be volunteering his time and energy in support of amateur figure skating.
STATEMENT BY TOM LUKIWSKI, MP
APRIL 3, 2008
“Some comments I made back in 1991 have been made public and I just want to publicly say that I’m truly, truly sorry. I’m ashamed of those comments.
If I could take those comments back, I would. I would give anything in the world to take those comments back.
They do not reflect the type of person I am. I do not believe in those types of comments.
I do not believe the context behind those comments. I can only say that on behalf of myself, my family, my children, I’m sorry. I’m ashamed, and I wish those comments were never made.”
www.lukiwski.ca
The public humiliation and the gigantic * he will forever have beside his name strikes me as being held pretty accountable.
Too bad this will take attention away from the nation's business. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 11:26:48 PM | does it matter anymore what party someone is from????? they ALL take money outta my pocket, no matter whos in power. we should do away with the party system, just run on what people are actually saying, which these days isnt much. wheres Ross Perot when we need him?!?!?!?!   | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 11:42:38 PM |
Absolutely, so why may I ask are you not respecting my right to have an opinion? You seem to jump to defend homophobia, yet have no issues with insulting me for having my own opinion.
You're full of it.
You're parroting a lefty smear campaign against someone who said something more than a decade ago. I don't like that kind of vindictiveness and intolerance.
Your term homophobia is a lefty orwellian term that is ambiguous at best . Is anyone who honestly feels that gay marriage is not a good idea a "homophobe"?
Anyway, I'm not saying he should have any stupid legal action against him or anything,
You know darn well that in lefty Canada a person can have legal action brought about by offending someone who is "more equal" since thay are a member of a "special interest" group. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 11:51:12 PM |
You're full of it.
You're parroting a lefty smear campaign against someone who said something more than a decade ago. I don't like that kind of intolerance.
No you like YOUR kind of intolerance. The conservative kind. Are you saying that what he said was disgusting and wrong, and that he should be forgiven purely based on how much time has past? Weren't you just giving me a hard time for chosing what should be tolerated and what shouldn't be?
The snake is eating its tail, and you're not making any sense.
Your term homophobia is a lefty orwellian term that is ambiguous at best . Is anyone who honestly feels that gay marriage is not a good idea a "homophobe"?
Mmmmm or maybe just bigoted, or intolerant, but it's your kind of bigotism and your kind of intolerance so thats just fine right?
You know darn well that in lefty Canada a person can have legal action brought about by offending a member of a "special interest" group.
If this guy was charged for inciting hatred, I'd be outraged. This is hardly using media as a pedestal for hatred against particular groups. I'm sure this guy would have much preferred his views on gays remain out of view of the moderates. | |
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Posted: 4/4/2008 12:05:53 AM | I'm outraged this "op" is inciting hatred with his disdainful and libel thread, and is purposely blinded that homosexual sex is not disgusting and very wrong.
Human rights commission should know about this hateful thread. | |
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Posted: 4/4/2008 12:37:15 AM | conservative vrs liberalism
capitalism Vrs Socialism
i believe in both as a possibility
socialism can work, but more in a star trek type of setting we as humans still have not reached a level to take out human labor.
but where all human with our own value system, i hate liberalism vrs conservative labels as those labels have a attitude that sounds like a racist to black or white people | |
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