KenNV
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Joined: 4/2/2008
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Posted: 4/5/2008 3:42:57 PM | I don't understand this. I joined recently and have been reading so much in these forums and learned a few things in my own life as well and so, realizing that women have so many stipulations of men for dating, how could they be so easily suckered into polygamy in the favor of men?
I am bewildered to say the least.
More about the story, a 15 yr old gave birth to a kid with apparently some 50 yr old guy as the daddy. This kills my sex drive and makes me ill for it's so hard for me to believe that in spite of men having dirty thoughts as I even have, to actually carry out a trangression against another human is way too low. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2008 4:10:00 PM | | A compound of 200 people could not have been set up overnight. This has to have been going for a long time. What I find amazing, is that so many countries are now run according to secular beliefs, and that 10% of Americans are atheists, and yet no-one seems to bat an eye for ages. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2008 4:15:08 PM |
Nearly 200 Taken From Texas Compound
Apr 5, 6:07 PM (ET) By MICHELLE ROBERTS
ELDORADO, Texas (AP) - Child welfare officials have now removed nearly 200 women and children from a secretive West Texas religious retreat built by polygamist leader Warren Jeffs, authorities said Saturday.
The investigation began after a 16-year-old living there complained of physical abuse. A search warrant authorized state troopers to enter the retreat run by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and look for evidence of a marriage between the girl and a 50-year-old man.
The warrant said the girl had a baby eight months ago, when she was 15.
State Child Protective Services on Friday removed 52 girls from the compound. Marleigh Meisner, a spokeswoman for the agency, said that another 131 residents were removed overnight and that by Saturday afternoon 137 children and 46 women were being housed and interviewed.
"They seem to be doing fine," Meisner said. Four investigators remained inside the polygamist compound looking for additional children.
The whereabouts of the young mother who sparked the investigation are unknown, Meisner said.
State troopers who raided the religious retreat were looking for the girl, her baby girl and 50-year-old Dale Barlow. Under Texas law, girls younger than 16 cannot marry, even with parental approval.
Barlow had not been found by Friday night, officials said then. They declined to comment Saturday, saying a state judge had issued a gag order.
The search warrant instructed officers to look for marriage records or other evidence linking the girl to Barlow and the baby. The warrant authorized the seizure of computer drives, CDs, DVDs or photos.
Those inside the retreat did not respond to requests for comment.
The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints broke away from the Mormon church after the latter disavowed polygamy more than a century ago.
State law enforcers declined to comment Saturday, saying a judge had issued a gag order, and the local sheriff did not return calls.
The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints broke away from the Mormon church after the latter disavowed polygamy more than a century ago.
The compound sits down a narrow paved road and behind a hill that shields it almost entirely from view in town. Only the 80-foot-high gleaming white temple can be seen on the horizon. Authorities blocked access to the gate, keeping onlookers miles away.
The 1,700-acre property had been an exotic game ranch. It is surrounded by dusty, wind-swept land where sheep are raised and mohair produced.
Eldorado (pronounced el-dor-AY'-do) is a two-stoplight town of fewer than 2,000 people nearly 200 miles northwest of San Antonio. It consists of a cluster of government buildings, a couple of churches and a few blocks of houses.
State officials said they did not know how many people lived at the retreat, although local officials estimated about 150 two years ago.
The group, known by the acronym FLDS, has been led by Jeffs since his father died in 2002. In November, Jeffs was sentenced to two consecutive sentences of five years to life in prison in Utah for being an accomplice to the rape of a 14-year-old girl who wed her cousin in an arranged marriage in 2001.
In Arizona, Jeffs is charged as an accomplice with four counts each of incest and sexual conduct with a minor stemming from two arranged marriages between teenage girls and their older male relatives. He is jailed in Kingman, Ariz., awaiting trial.
The San Angelo Standard-Times reported that children were being kept at a community center and a Baptist church in Eldorado.
The owner of the Sutton County Steak House in nearby Sonora fed the children dinner on Friday and breakfast on Saturday, owner Linda Love told The San Angelo Standard-Times.
"They're singing songs. So happy and sweet and precious. It's heart-breaking," Love said.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080405/D8VRVHLG1.html
Every day, all day, people all over the world do crazy things in God's name.
The youngster in question, like other children raised by religious fanatics, would not have had a say in the matter.
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KenNV
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Joined: 4/2/2008
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Posted: 4/5/2008 7:40:21 PM | You question the Mom's??? I am sure the mom's were raped when they were 15 as well. This type of thing goes from generation to generation. What I would question is the men that were doing the raping! Those poor girls... they are probably uneducated, and secluded from the world, to them this is probably normal... geez I hate cults.
how could they be so easily suckered into polygamy in the favor of men?
These are not women on dating sites - these are children! How can they be suckered into polygamy? Again... they're 15 year olds!!!
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Posted: 4/5/2008 9:14:53 PM | One thing I wonder about... This is not an isolated incident. This same kind of thing crops up about once or twice a year. Is no one anywhere checking on these cults?
I understand that people have a right to practice their religion, I'm all for that, but with all the problems that have already come to light, why isn't someone making sure nothing like this is going on? | |
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timj82
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Joined: 11/16/2007
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Posted: 4/5/2008 11:44:32 PM | I celebrated the day that I heard Warren Jeffs was finally captured.
I celebrated the day that he broke down in prison, on camera, and admitted he is not "the prophet" he claimed he was.
I nearly celebrated when I heard about all this happening recently... that compound in Texas is evil.
I also heard a rumor that about half the girls rescued are pregnant.
That they're holding the 16 year old hostage in their supposed "temple" is appalling.
To top that off... they built an incinerator into the basement so they could perform the "blood sacrifice" which incinerates everything (including DNA) to purify your soul. Something crazy Warren Jeffs dreamed up by reading his scriptures.
I fear for the safety of all the women in that compound, and even for the impressionable young men there too.
Hopefully, Waco won't repeat itself here... but I'd still like to see their "temple" burned to the ground.
--Brandon | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 7:20:00 AM | The everyday Mormons are subjected to an annointing of their loins upon marriage by a Temple Elder, a man (I guess, as I have been told) and then have to live their lives in "the magic underwear" for the rest of their lives to protect them from "evil". Here in Massachusetts, USA, some of the local papers have been having fun punting around former Presidential candidate--and our former Governor--Mitt Romney's "magic underwear".
I find all this absolutely sinister occultism at it finest moment. Satan couldn't find a happer home.
Furthermore, they are baptising the death records of folks into their religion. Any geneologist will tell you that the Mormons keep the best records in the USA.
The Big E | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 7:48:33 AM |
Furthermore, they are baptising the death records of folks into their religion. Any geneologist will tell you that the Mormons keep the best records in the USA.
That's totally true. Except all I know is that no one is ever at the stinkin' church library during posted hours, and they don't answer the phones. Maybe they're in the bathroom struggling to get their undies back on.
On a serious note, how sad is this. Those kids and generations before them are brainwashed basically, and know no other life. Imagine how scared/sad/relieved those girls are, I hope they get them some major counseling right away so they are able to mainstream into 'real life'. | |
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edisto
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Joined: 3/29/2008
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Posted: 4/6/2008 7:54:57 AM | sometimes I think religion was invented to control women.
AMEN !!!
the "men" who impose this reality on girls /women, are no different than sex traders except that polygamist do it in the "name of religion"...
a lot of bad sheit is done in the name of religion, IMHO, 10% of what religions do is "good", 90% is pure crap~ | |
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KenNV
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Joined: 4/2/2008
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Posted: 4/6/2008 9:04:08 AM | I'd think this all started by voluntary participation by women. Why focus on the current individuals alone? To address the problem is also to address how it started for if that could be dilineated perhaps it could be easier prevented. Is this clear yet or many here just want to say that they're 15 yr olds? Most likely the very beginnings of this was not from 15 year old voluntarily going into it without their mom AND dad's permission.
When Jim Jones was having sex with young girls and many wives of other men, I question how people were suckered into that as well. How dumb could people be? And even after so much of the sexual abuse there were still hundreds who wanted to follow the fool to South America. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 9:38:57 AM |
One thing I wonder about... This is not an isolated incident. This same kind of thing crops up about once or twice a year. Is no one anywhere checking on these cults?
Because the Paulites and civil liberties groups go rabid every time it is suggested that there are organizations in the US that should be investigated. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 9:51:16 AM | | OP, you might be right, at one point in time a group of adult women must have consented to this lifestyle. I don't know the history all that well, but I do know it's been going on for generations, and by this point in time the people at these compounds know very little of outside life. They are also shunned if they leave and try to come back, I'm not even sure they're allowed back. They are brought up to be afraid of anything outside the compound, and taught that this way is the only way to heaven. I think that by now there was no "let me try this other lifestyle"...I think that by now it's how their mothers, grandmothers and possibly even great grandmothers lived, and it's all they know. I've heard stories though that they are quite often miserable in the choices that are made for them, who they will marry, and even jealousy among the wives. I don't know that there is someone to blame it on at this point, because the men are all 'brainwashed' too into thinking this is the only way to get to heaven. I remember reading that the more wives a man has, the better his chances, or the better 'level' he will reside in, something like that. But I think this particular section of the religion is a lot different than the people who follow someone like Jim Jones or David Koresch. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 10:18:30 AM | | this is absolutely disgusting and appalling in today's society...and out in the open and been that way forever...but,the police can't do anything until someone complains who lives there or is worried for their safety...it shows how easy it is for people to get brainwashed by charismatic fanatics who use religion as a weapon...I'm sure these women don't get to vote..lol...on anything and must suffer from depression,anxiety,and mental disorders brought on by living segregated and under the control of men who convince them; that there is a better place for them than here on earth,in the meantime stuffing their pockets and filling their sexual appetites...my what a good boy am I..look at all my children...yeah,right...worth millions and committing all kinds of fraudulent acts...it is no different than women who allow their husbands to commit sexual acts with their offspring...I can 't believe that none of these men were shot or castrated by mothers...I do hope that these organizations aren't so powerful that something is finally going to be done..women and children are not chattels to be used and abused by the men who control their every moment alive...and yes,I have to agree,they certainly must be lacking upstairs or very afraid for their lives...apparently,the young girl who contacted the police is missing....hope she's alive to testify...and I hope that someone can save the minds of the rest...reminds me of a puppy mill...who supports all these kids?..the govt? | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 10:22:51 AM | | I'm not sure how all that works, but from what I've heard on the news and various documentaries about it, they are self sufficient. I think typically they are contractors and builders, and I don't know exactly how they do it (because lord knows some of us have enough trouble feeding 2 kids with 2 incomes!) but they do seem to be very smart with their money and I don't think there is any government support here like food stamps and Medicaid...which might be part of the reason the govt's hands are tied. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 10:37:25 AM | .
Why was Mitt Romney’s father born in Mexico?
So is it acceptable to storm a Catholic Church or Synagogue now?
Poor La Esmeralda and Quasimodo had they lived in Texas.....
ELDORADO, Texas (CNN) -- Authorities stormed the temple of a Texas ranch that's home to a rogue Mormon sect Saturday, as part of a search for victims of physical and sexual abuse, police said.
Police called in ambulances and other emergency vehicles as they prepared to search the polygamist group's temple, officials said.
Authorities wanted medical backup "in case they're involved in sensitive areas that could escalate into a negative reaction," a law enforcement source said. A police helicopter circled the ranch Saturday night.
The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is a rogue branch of the Mormon church and forbids nonbelievers from entering its temples.
There were no immediate reports of injuries or arrests at the compound.
Earlier Saturday, 131 children and young women were removed from the ranch, bringing the total of people removed from the ranch to 183 since law enforcement officers raided the compound Thursday.
The majority of the 137 children removed from the ranch were girls. About 40 boys were removed, said Marleigh Meisner, a spokeswoman for the Texas Child Protective Services. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 10:42:45 AM |
So is it acceptable to storm a Catholic Church or Synagogue now?
I'm not sure what you were trying to convey with that comment, but to respond to how it came across--it's perfectly acceptable to say the least, to storm anywhere that is breaking the law and sexually abusing children. | |
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KenNV
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Joined: 4/2/2008
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Posted: 4/6/2008 11:31:02 AM | I wish I could use the terms dumb and dumber for this in regards to the men and women who first got involved in this stuff but it doesn't exactly apply.
The willing women is bad enough but of course there's also the male side of things that would like as much as possible and the younger the better...not sure if that is a dumb motivation or just greedy or wonderful in some minds, however, if it is known by the man that the woman is repressed I don't see how a man with a conscience could engage in it.
I think it'd be terrific to have 5 wives, but then thinking of how it'd be slefish to other men as they'd have less if I and others would do the same. For this reason alone it shouldn't go past a thought.
If the thought was actually surpassed and if a single tear rolled down the face of a female before even a single sexual act occured I have a hard time thiking men would be so callous as to continue.
I think of all the illegal houses of prostitution. I read about many Korean women coming into this country and used as sex slaves. It happens with Hispanics, other asians and I wonder why the 50-70 yr old men who have sex with these girls or right before they do and realize what they're about to do is against the wishes of the women why not just pay the money and leave and then report to law enforcement?
I have many problems with how women behave, especially in this country, but I find it even more appalling to know men can act without a conscience in not having a concern over another life. The polluted thinking of these religious quacks would enver go anywhere if it wasn't for guillible followers. Would it be too much of a leap to say women are more vulnerable to buying into stuff that is without merit? Think of astrology, palm reading and more. I am certain after reading a bunch of posts throughout these forums that women would be quick to state they are not more vulnerable than men but I'll contend they are and it's a responsibility of a man to not take advantage of the trusting nature of a woman. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 4:57:01 PM | Charlesedm:
Texas is very big with a lot a screaming mega-churches, born-again bible thumpers and a few mentally defective units running around with guns and oil wells like the President of the USA. Texas contains the extremes of everything intellectual and financial with mutliple beauty pagents every year and extensive breast implants for the participants.
An odd factiod, but, when I was a child there was a comic book called "Mad Magazine". The magazine was a political parody on the social fabric of American Society through liberal lensed humorists. Every year or so they would run on the front page their main character, Alfred E. Newman, as running for President. Well, believe it or not, the character looks like George W. Bush. And this was 40 years ago! How did they know????? | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 5:23:17 PM |
The everyday Mormons are subjected to an annointing of their loins upon marriage by a Temple Elder, a man (I guess, as I have been told) and then have to live their lives in "the magic underwear" for the rest of their lives to protect them from "evil".
From what I know only married women are required to wear the special underwear. It's granny-panties with ruffles all over, and is intended to eliminate temptation. Although they are only required to wear it when going to the Temple, the more extreme husbands will require their wives to wear it all the time; and some extreme women do so voluntarily. The FLDS women wear the old frilly dresses to eliminate temptation as well... you can see their "by extention" rationalization there.
Pertaining to men being the only ones who can annoint etc. The Bible is rarely friendly toward women, and does not think highly of women. Although a very recently created religion with its own scriptures seperate from The Bible, a more modern (though still oppressive in my opinion) view exists in that only men can carry the "priesthood" and the power to use and pass it on to others.
And as far as Mormons and their baptising dead family members... and extended family members... it is because of this act of theirs that you don't need to join their faith. If one of my children, or children's children, or in-law's children... etc... becomes Mormon at some point after I die - they will baptise the person once for each family member/ancestor who is not Mormon... including me.
So I don't need to join their church - because if they are right... I'm covered.
--Brandon | |
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