| Getting it on with Dad?
Posted: 4/6/2008 7:07:36 AM | There was a story on 60 mins tonight about a father and daughter who live together and have a daughter together. Disregarding the obvious confusion that will arise for the child when they're asked to explain how their cousins are also their aunts there are legal and moral problems with this union. The couple were quoted on 9MSN as saying 'We are just asking for a little bit of respect and understanding."
The woman said soon after reuniting with her father she began to see him as a man first and her father second.' They also mentioned the 'consenting adults' justification.
Does 'consenting adults' justify any sexual behaviour? | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 7:24:53 AM | | She used to live near here and I met her a few times so I was surprised when I heard they were father and daughter. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 7:29:08 AM | well the problems start if they ever try to have children... freedom of choice is gone when it affects others..
other than that... there is something too weird about having sex with a family member | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 7:32:04 AM | | They've had a daughter who's 9 mnths old and apparently healthy but the first child they had died. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 7:32:24 AM | a number of things come to mind..
for him...SICK **stard !!!!!!!!!!! non member of the human race.. beneath contempt !!
for her
get help... !!! either lacking faculties.. persepctive.. or many other normal judgement parameters ! | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 7:33:49 AM | An interesting topic. I ran across similar things while doing some research for an article.
The point of the article is a discussion of the way that (incomprehensibly to men) women will sort us into a neat group of men who are un-shaggable and men who are hot. We're smart, funny, intelligent, and good looking. "But I just don't see you in that way." Why not?
Anyway, I ran into a principle called the Westermark Effect. This is the principle whereby children who have been raised together are not sexually attracted to each other, despite having no actual blood ties. The connection, by the way, was me wondering whether the Westermark Effect may be triggered more easily or faster in women.
The research I did led me to a forum for people with... what's it called. Genetic Sexual Attraction. Essentially if you are related, but did NOT grow up together (ie, no Westermark Effect) the opposite occurs, and people are strongly attracted due to their similar genetics.
Incest is possibly the last taboo, but is it invalid in a society that increasingly believes that if you don't harm anyone you may do as you want? No harm, no foul, essentially. And if inbreeding is the real concern, then does contraception negate that?
Don't get me wrong, I find it repugnant too, but how long ago would we have said the same about homosexuality? Or even oral sex? | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 7:38:27 AM |
Essentially if you are related, but did NOT grow up together (ie, no Westermark Effect) the opposite occurs, and people are strongly attracted due to their similar genetics.
this couple do fit this profile since the woman hadn't seen her father since she was a very young child and met him again when she was 31. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 7:41:05 AM | There is NO corrolation between sexual preferences and shagging your daughter.. NONE !!
That it in any shape or form can be discussed as anything other than wrong ( in the hundreds of myriad ways it is ) is quite honestly beyond me. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 8:01:46 AM | It is a topic that I find almost impossible to step back from and look at without a sense of OMG to it. The ultimate taboo. Plus it no doubt stirs up additional feelings in anyone who was perhaps subject to incestual abuse, despite the fact that these particular two are consenting adults who, it seems, did not have a father/daughter relationship as such, and so there are not issues of abuse of trust etc. How can anyone possibly understand how they might view it when it's so foreign, and the wrongness of it is so very ingrained in us. I can't relate to them at all. Not that I feel any sense of outrage about their relationship though because it seems to me that neither of the two are victims of anything, judging from the details given here.
But it does bother me to read that they are breeding..that's the very sane, very biological reason for society having the taboo in the first place. The children born are victims, and as such that stops it being their business alone. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 8:30:26 AM | Did I just read what I thought I read? A father and daughter have a child together?
Wow what a mixed up family!
Isn't it the fathers duty to raise his children with morals?
'We are just asking for a little bit of respect and understanding." .....Sorry! I just cannot comprehend how a daughter and her father can have a consented sexual relationship.
I'm so blown away from this that it's impossible for me to see 'reason' let alone respect and understanding.
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Posted: 4/6/2008 8:31:44 AM | OK, even without the Westermark Effect, wouldn't both parties still recognise the taboo?
Obviously not for these two.  | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 8:39:20 AM | | They are consenting adults. Their union does not affect me in any way or form what so ever. Therefore, I would wish them the very best, a happy life, and what they do is non of my business. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 9:00:42 AM | The thing that makes me most uncomfortable is the kids. The lady has two kids from her previous marriage (whom I've met) and they apparently know that the guy who lives with mum is actually Grandad but they call him Dad. She homeschools them so they're not going to cop any flack from school but its a very very unusual set of circumstances to grow up in.
Why is it that most people seem to feel that these two adults should have recognised the taboo and acted on that instead of acting on the sexual attraction, but a situation involving the secretary and a married man or woman has a lesser taboo? | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 9:03:00 AM | Tis nothing right nor wrong, but thinking makes it so. Shakespeare
Amazing how bent out of shape we get about what
other people do when it will have no affect on our lives
what so ever. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 9:13:24 AM | Why is it that most people seem to feel that these two adults should have recognised the taboo and acted on that instead of acting on the sexual attraction, but a situation involving the secretary and a married man or woman has a lesser taboo?
Because incest constitutes inbreeding, and hence the taboo.
The married man and the secretary is more akin (get it?) to outsourcing.  | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 4:23:24 PM |
Why is it that most people seem to feel that these two adults should have recognised the taboo and acted on that instead of acting on the sexual attraction, but a situation involving the secretary and a married man or woman has a lesser taboo?
'm not quite sure the logic of this. It's much like saying "why are people willing to try anal sex but are so grossed out by beastiality?" They're both still taboos, but one is unarguably a greater taboo than another, one is a deeply ingrained society-wide disgust, and the other is just... a bit naughty.
I do think that the real victims here are those children. They're inbred, homeschooled kids who live with Dad-Grandad and Auntie Mum... how could they possibly be messed up? | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 4:57:59 PM | I'll precede this with the quailification that these are comments of a Father , who has a daughter.
I find the whole thing quite disgusting and reprehensible. This isnt any moralistic high tone.. nor the thoughts of religious zealousy as i'm not that way inclined.
As a father you are supposed to love unconditionally. To protect and nuture. To mentor and provide shelter and care for your children. You are the rock they can tie their boat to in times of storm. You are the shoulder they can lean on when things go bad. You are supposed to be a little wiser and if called upon offer sage advice.
She has obviously some serious issues of appropriateness, her thinking is obviously skewed. Whatever brought her to a place to consider her motives and actions to be acceptable needs to be addressed. She needs counselling.
He... he knew it want right......and gave in to incestual lust. He gave into primal urges. You can dress this up any way you wish. You can suggest its 'only ' a taboo and who is to judge. Well as a paid up member of the Fraternal Brigade I shall pass a judgement . He is of the lowest order of excreta. You failed as a father and probably only remain as human by default.
Quie honestly ...anyone who can accpet their position are just as morally bankrupt and reprehensible.
As an addendum.. I will weight my listening to others on the basis of whether they first are a parent..and secondly have a daughter. They say often you cant begin unless you have walked a mile in their shoes. Well Im a father ..and Id NEVER..NEVER care to walk in their shoes!!
As a parent you are supposed to care about your children. They obviously only cared about one thing. Hardly justification. They are pathetic. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 5:03:05 PM | | In today's world we have girls/ladies having children with 2,3,4,5,6, different fathers, not to mention artificaly, so in the future who is going to know who they are having a relationship with be sexual or not. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 5:07:39 PM | If a tree falls in a forrest and no one is there to hear it.....does it make a sound ??
of course it does..
They KNEW.. all bets off..its simple as that | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 5:27:50 PM | I by no means agree with this union and I agree with you Shrexy, As a mother I would hate to think what I might do if the same happened to one of my girls, I know I would not cope at all.
What I was trying to say is what is going to happen in the future with all these kids running around not knowing who they are related to. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 5:45:00 PM | Mafato...the thing that I can see happening is that one day...sometime in the future.. some child is going to realsie what has happened. They are going to qustion their validity and self value, they will in all likely hood consider their own existance to be a mistake. You then have a very sad situation where as no fault of their own a human is thrown into turmoil.
I hope on that day..there is someone there to love and protect them...probably from themself.
There is a disaster waiting to happen Im affraid . | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 5:51:06 PM | | So sad but true Shrexy, why don't people think about these issuse before before having children. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 6:05:40 PM |
I'm not quite sure the logic of this. It's much like saying "why are people willing to try anal sex but are so grossed out by beastiality?" They're both still taboos, but one is unarguably a greater taboo than another, one is a deeply ingrained society-wide disgust, and the other is just... a bit naughty.
I dont agree with the analogy you've used. I mean I dont believe that thinking applies because in my view both incest and adultery are anti the basic family unit. And if you recognise a situation that is taboo/dangerous and still act on it and the effect is family disfunction, with resulting bad effects on the kids, its still wrong. I've hesitated over using the word 'wrong' here as it becomes a judgement statement as soon as you use it. But the politically correct alternative of using a word/phrase like 'unhelpful' or 'disadvantageous to the children' hardly expresses my attitude. I think we've become desensitised to the good old fashioned values of morality and duty. | |
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