| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/8/2008 8:12:26 PM | This is what she said. Disscuss what you think about her now. Can anyone tell me where she stands now? Has she taken these statements back? I know Obama didn't support the war.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkS9y5t0tR0 | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/8/2008 8:14:53 PM | | VOTE FOR MC CAIN IF YOU WANT HOPE FOR THIS COUNTRY SURVIVING | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/8/2008 8:18:46 PM | | I can't beleive people are still taking her serious | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/8/2008 8:32:03 PM | I could easily pull things from youtube that would put McCain or Obama in a bad light too-
I, personally, was against the war from the start...
but most Americans feverishly backed the Iraq War, it wasn’t until we were into the war that it was even okay to question America’s involvement in Iraq..
what hypocrisy that Clinton is crucified for beliefs that most Americans held~ | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/8/2008 8:41:44 PM | | I just think her and Bill need to go. I want to see new blood in the white house. I'm a republican, and don't care for McCain. | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/9/2008 8:09:58 AM | | Its funny that people ignore the fact that Obama based his campaign on the fact that he didn't vote for initial action in the War in Iraq and he wasn't even in the Senate at the time...that deception is much worse than changing stances or opinions based on new information..."Oh yeah the war is unpopular I think I will say that if I was in the Senate at the time I wouldn't have voted for it,oh what the war is popular, I mean I would have voted for it." Its interesting that he voted to continue funding for the War which he wouldn't have Voted for if he had been able to vote... | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/9/2008 8:38:02 AM | As my state legislator Obama was very vocal about not going into Iraq. How do I know? Because as I was working at a customer's office and stepped out into the parking lot of a rural downstate town to have a cigarette, there was Mr. Obama in the same parking lot stating as such emphatically.
What's misleading is that Hillary did not vote for the Iraq war. She voted on a resolution to authorize the use of force which was not the required Constitutional step of Congress declaring war on a sovereign nation. If I recall correctly, Senator Clinton was vocally against the war on principle and fully expected the Constitutional vote to come where her vote may well have been different.
Then it's not rocket science to know that voting for funding is not an approval of the war. The mess is made and the troops are there. If we are not bringing the troops home, it is completely irresponsible to then leave them without funding.
We're talking 'connect the dots' here and these points should not be as beyond the grasp of comprehension as they are seeming to be. | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/9/2008 8:51:26 AM | I agree connect the dots. Its easy to say you are opposed to something after the fact...basing your campaign on the fact that you didn't vote for something unpopular and letting the public believe that you actually voted is misleading..Obama may have voted present if given the choice or he may have voted one way and then immediately said he accidentally voted incorrectly..you never know..wow!A first hand account from an Obama supporter, I guess the arguments over now.... | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/9/2008 9:33:15 AM | He was opposed to it from the beginning just as you may or may not have been and I wasn't. Easy or difficult is not really an issue. He has statements from 2002 and beyond on record that show precisely how he would have approached it.
Now I can't very well argue that he's not letting people be misled by their laziness in not knowing he was not in Congress at that time while he is misleading people in alluding to Hillary voting for the war when there was no vote for nor against the war.
Know that you are being either misled or misleading when you equate voting for funding after the fact with support for the war itself.
So I'll give you a 2-1 edge in this match. lol
But come on! You've got to admit that walking out into a parking lot that was empty an hour before to suddenly be in the middle of this giant crowd of people with a guy who was obviously important at the center is kind of a wild experience. | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/9/2008 9:55:20 AM | | I am shocked that anyone supported the war to begin with. I know I never did! | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/9/2008 2:07:39 PM | I would like to know WHY was Obama against the war, I know that it is not popular to question HIM, but I do...
after the reverend Wright fiasco, I question Obama's "judgment"-
was he against the war because of his own moral outrage and he was taking a stand FOR America or was it because his "spiritual advisor" was against the war-
if it was because of the latter, I am even more concerned if he became president-
Obama's church seems to be a pacifist's nightmare so I would like to hear why Obama came up with the decision he did before I start worshipping him as so many seem to be doing~
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/9/2008 2:24:58 PM |
I just think her and Bill need to go.
They have been for the past 7 years...
I'm a republican,
And the republicans have been in charge since the Clintons left...
Oh the irony of it all... | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/10/2008 12:03:00 PM | A. Hillary did not "vote for the war". She voted to give permission to the President to go to war if necessary. The war was not necessary.
B. When this Iraq business was brought up, it was post 9/11. In the heat of terrorist attacks, very few people would want to appear soft on anything terrorist related. None of us, Obama included, have been in that hot seat to know what it would feel like, and why she made the decision she did.
C. Obama was not in the senate to vote on this issue, so he can talk about it all he wants, but we have no proof that he would have voted differently from Clinton.
D. Obama's voting record on the war since he joined the senate contradicts his statements regarding his stance on the war in the beginning. He has continually voted to fund the war, even up until the last time, when Clinton actually voted against it.
E. One of Obama's former aides, Samantha Power, went on national t.v. and said herself Obama cannot make any promises on Iraq because the situation may change by January 2009. I will not jump all of her about this, but it proves the point that politicians may switch their positions, and should not be ridiculed for changing their minds. | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/10/2008 12:25:15 PM |
Its funny that people ignore the fact that Obama based his campaign on the fact that he didn't vote for initial action in the War in Iraq and he wasn't even in the Senate at the time...
But he never says that. He says "I spoke against it" or "I was not in favor of it". He does not stand there and lie to people and say he voted against it....under sniper fire.... | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/10/2008 12:42:07 PM | what hypocrisy that Clinton is crucified for beliefs that most Americans held
So true, many Americans as well as some allies were determined to get rid of Saddam's brutal regime, which was thought to have funded the horrible actions behind 9/11.
Now how many are willing to admit today, they believed the same thing. | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/10/2008 12:47:48 PM | Nobody who bothered to read thought that Saddam Hussein was involved. Or think for that matter.
Certainly no other nation's leaders thought so. Even your own leaders were very careful - they would talk about 9/11 and Saddam Hussein, often in the same sentence, but that was to create an impression. There was only one time when an administration official slipped - that was Cheney during a TV interview when he actually said that Saddam was involved. In every other utterance everybody was very scripted to create the impression of a link without actually saying it. Clearly, they knew there was no connection. | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/10/2008 12:59:03 PM | | I knew who was responsible for 9-11 on 9-11. knew the names of the people and the organizations responsible. I also knew that hussein did NOT like terrorists. | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/10/2008 2:35:14 PM | | Now... don't you folks go and get me all on the defend Hillary bandwagon. That just wouldn't be right. | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/10/2008 11:47:10 PM | Then it's not rocket science to know that voting for funding is not an approval of the war. The mess is made and the troops are there. If we are not bringing the troops home, it is completely irresponsible to then leave them without funding.
I disagree. Funding the war is approving of it. If Congress cut off all funding for the war then Bush's hands would be tied. He'd have to get the troops out. They'd have no weapons, no food, no ammunition, no fuel, nothing. They couldn't fight a war. The President would then have to choose between returning the troops home or letting them rot in Iraq. | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/11/2008 3:41:22 AM |
I disagree. Funding the war is approving of it. If Congress cut off all funding for the war then Bush's hands would be tied. He'd have to get the troops out. They'd have no weapons, no food, no ammunition, no fuel, nothing. They couldn't fight a war. The President would then have to choose between returning the troops home or letting them rot in Iraq.
Why do you assume he'd make the rational decision? Seriously. | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/11/2008 7:25:13 AM | It doesn't sound like anyone is willing to make that decision though. But I see your point that while I believe the inevitable is probably to concede Iraq to Iran and sooner is likely better than later. I still don't see it as support for the war having occurred but I do agree though that a vote to not support funding would be a vote for withdrawal.
Who knows, while we imposed our ideals of Democracy onto them on our terms expecting the Iraqi Ben Franklin or Iraqi Thomas Jefferson to come forth, maybe saying we're gone and it's all up to you now might get them to rally together to be the Iraq that they want and not become West Iran. | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/11/2008 6:31:09 PM | Breaking from Newsmax.com
Obama Closing Superdelegates Gap
Barack Obama is gaining steadily on Hillary Clinton among Democratic superdelegates, nearly erasing her last advantage in a presidential race where those party insiders could be the ultimate kingmakers.
In a danger sign for Clinton, Obama over the past few months has sharply cut her lead among superdelegates — nearly 800 elected officials and party leaders free to back any candidate.
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"Obama has won more delegates, he's won more votes, he's raised more money, and now you see it happening with superdelegates too," said Simon Rosenberg, head of the Democratic advocacy group NDN.
Neither Obama nor Clinton is likely to win enough pledged delegates in state contests to clinch the hard-fought battle for the Democratic presidential nomination, leaving superdelegates to decide the race. The Democratic nominee will face Republican John McCain in the November election.
Despite heavy courting by Clinton, most of the superdelegates who made up their minds since January backed Obama. Clinton's superdelegate lead dwindled to about 30 from 100 in that time.
A count by MSNBC gives Clinton 256 superdelegates to Obama's 225. Obama, an Illinois senator, has gained steam in the past month, winning more than two dozen new commitments, compared with a handful for Clinton, a New York senator.
"It has been a drip, drip, drip toward Obama," said Steven Schier, a political analyst at Carleton College in Minnesota.
"Superdelegates can see Obama's advantages growing, and it's pretty clear it's going to be very hard for Clinton to catch him," he said. "If Obama notches a few more victories, it could become a stampede."
Obama has suggested that superdelegates back the candidate with the most pledged delegates — he leads by about 130 — and popular votes. He leads Clinton by about 700,000 votes, excluding contests in Florida and Michigan that were not sanctioned by the national party.
Clinton has struggled to overtake Obama in the Democratic contest and has rejected calls from some Obama supporters to get out of the race.
More than 300 superdelegates remain uncommitted or have yet to be named, giving the candidate who wins the bulk of them a path to the nomination.
CLINTON TRIES TO CLOSE GAP
Clinton hopes a strong run in the last 10 contests starting April 22 in Pennsylvania will close the gap with Obama in pledged delegates and popular votes, bolstering her claim she is best suited to beating McCain.
The private battle for superdelegates has been as tough as the public campaign for votes, with both camps courting uncommitted party leaders and trying to keep supporters in line.
Clinton has suffered high-profile reversals like the decision by U.S. Rep. John Lewis of Georgia, a prominent black supporter, to switch to Obama. Another superdelegate ally, New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine, suggested that backing a candidate who did not win the popular vote "would be a hard argument to make."
But she recently won the support of U.S. Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania and picked up three more superdelegates this week.
"Most superdelegates are in a holding pattern. They're waiting to see what happens in Pennsylvania and down the road before they make any decisions," Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said.
Rosenberg said the recent string of superdelegate endorsements for Obama made that argument hard to swallow. "A substantial number have moved — and most are moving to Obama," he said.
Wayne Holland, chairman of the Utah Democratic Party and a superdelegate, endorsed Obama on Thursday. He said he thought Obama could help Democratic candidates throughout Utah and the West by attracting new voters, donors and volunteers.
"As state chair, my job is to try to elect as many Democrats in various offices in this state as possible," he said. "I was looking for who could best help us win here, and that was overwhelmingly Senator Obama."
© 2008 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/11/2008 6:50:13 PM | ^^^^^^^
2008 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.
you may want to find out what this means before you use the story preceding it? | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/11/2008 6:51:11 PM | She's pasted the article in at least 10 different threads in this forum. I hope she gets modsmacked for spamming like that  | |
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