| Needle Exchange Posted: 4/13/2008 1:08:01 PM | Once the reasoning for needle exchange was to slow or stop the spread of AIDS...I am unsure what the success rate of that was???...I do know in the wake of that calling seems to have left behind a trail of track marks in arms across Canada...that lead directly to the drug community...Today we are more then educated and aware in regard to Aids...so the question is...why does needle exchange still exist?...I just got to Vancouver and after church stopped at the park across the street to find...needles???...several...used and left behind by some poor soul who has clearly lost their way...directly across from a church adds insult to injury...its not the attict I hate but the drug...why are we continuing the needle exchange program in Canada???....anyone?...at least be honest about it and change the title to "enablers are us"...thats all it is...I myself simply can't comprehend programs that enable people to maintain an exist and not better themselves or their lives in anyway???...and offer...NO HOPE...I asked a women in TO if she believed some people are hopelessly unemployable...without hesitation she said yes???...ridiculous ideal...everyone has something to contribute...in some way...exactly when people start believeing people have nothing to contribute is exactly the hopeless attitude that fuels such programs as needle exchange...and takes away from programs that have purpose...like rehabilitation and recovery..its our weakest link that can sometimes define us as a society...handing out needles for people to basically kill themselves???...or investing in programs that have no hope...IS our weakest link...in my opinion...making drug use almost exceptable on some level???...gives the drug community hold over a society that is victimised by it...the long term effects...increase in crimes homelessness etc...or simply when our children run the risk of coming across needles in parks or...god forbid...being stuck by one...we should all as Canadians take note and stand up...these are our children and what we choose to let them be exposed to...our responsibility to govern over...There are no victims in this classroom!...no more needle exchange...the money fueling these programs should be used for rehabilitation and recovery...its not rocket science... much like my visit to TO where three men sat in the park drinking from large cheap bottles of alcohol...loudly cursing to each other who had clearly not bathed in days...the women I was with explained...well some of them choose to live in the park???...really I don't have a problem with that at all...then get a job and buy your own park...the parks are for the children first...I believe in freedom of speech but when your speech or actions invade my space then I have the right to form an opinion...especially when it is something that canadian children will be exposed to...I will say the Toronto Police...like most police in my opinion these days outnumbered...were quick to start patroling the area and resolving the situation... | |
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| Needle Exchange Posted: 4/13/2008 1:23:09 PM | I guess you'd rather addicts share needles and spread diseases that way?
BTW, it's my understanding that needle exhange actually helps people with getting off drugs by giving out info and referrals on rehab programs. So, it's not just handing out clean needles, there is educational work involved as well.
While I agree with you that throwing used needles on the ground is wrong, the people doing that are obviously not participating in needle exchanges, since they have to turn in their used needles to get new ones.
BTW, where is it written that parks are for children first? I, as an adult, have just as much right to a clean park as children do. Incidentally, have you participated in or organized a clean up of the park? If not, perhaps you should since you're so concerned about it. | |
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| Needle Exchange Posted: 4/13/2008 2:07:20 PM | | I didn't read all that...clearly you are a typical armchair cridic...needle exchange helps stop the spread of disease???...do you have statics on that???...to who??...u must mean the new addicts they are recruiting...they'll be stoned half their lives or till they are found ODed somewhere...but they won't have hep C or Aids???...congradulations...needle exchanged worked!...or until that one time they are fending too much or in withdrawls and someone in the room or should I say alley or bathroom says...go ahead I'm clean...thats when they are handing out the rehabilition information??...lololol...OMG you are the reason the program exists...you are undereducaated on the facts of what the program is and what really goes on...not just the information and the photo opps your feed...addicts fend...they don't care about clean needles...muchless returning them to their designated spot after they have "smashed " ( the addicts call it smashing) whatever they are using in their arms...and with all your concern for addicts...when was the last time you went down to the needle exchange or shelter and spoke to one...they are human beings and what you will find is most or all...are waiting for a treatment program to open up or room in one to become available...you ridiculous...in my opinion if the world ran with the children as the first priority world wide...everything else would fall into place...be more clear...and definitely cleaner...good luck | |
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| Needle Exchange Posted: 4/13/2008 2:07:35 PM | | I didn't read all that...clearly you are a typical armchair cridic...needle exchange helps stop the spread of disease???...do you have statics on that???...to who??...u must mean the new addicts they are recruiting...they'll be stoned half their lives or till they are found ODed somewhere...but they won't have hep C or Aids???...congradulations...needle exchanged worked!...or until that one time they are fending too much or in withdrawls and someone in the room or should I say alley or bathroom says...go ahead I'm clean...thats when they are handing out the rehabilition information??...lololol...OMG you are the reason the program exists...you are undereducaated on the facts of what the program is and what really goes on...not just the information and the photo opps your feed...addicts fend...they don't care about clean needles...muchless returning them to their designated spot after they have "smashed " ( the addicts call it smashing) whatever they are using in their arms...and with all your concern for addicts...when was the last time you went down to the needle exchange or shelter and spoke to one...they are human beings and what you will find is most or all...are waiting for a treatment program to open up or room in one to become available...you ridiculous...in my opinion if the world ran with the children as the first priority world wide...everything else would fall into place...be more clear...and definitely cleaner...good luck | |
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| Needle Exchange Posted: 4/13/2008 10:31:26 PM | If you want to have a sensible discussion on this topic, you have to post in english first. Harm reduction is a huge part of any modern effort to reduce the damage caused by drug use.
Anyway, here is a wikipedia article, but it has links to several studies on the effects of needle exchanges. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Needle-exchange_programme
<div class='quote'>In the United States around 1/5 of all new HIV infections and the vast majority of Hepatitis C infections are the result of injection drug use.[2] Dozens of studies have shown needle exchanges to be effective at preventing the spread of HIV and Hepatitis C.[3][4][5][6][7][8] Needle exchange programs are supported by the Center for Disease Control and the National Institute of Health.[9][10] The National Institute of Health estimates that in the United States, between fifteen and twenty percent of injection drug users have HIV and at least seventy percent have hepatitis C.[11] The presence of needle exchange programs has been attributed to a reduction of high-risk injection behavior by up to 74%.[12]
if you doubt the efficacy of the exchange, feel free to look at the bottom of the page, and take out those studies to take a look at the results.
Here is another study
http://www.pulsus.com/cahr/abs/abs353p.htm
Conclusions: Risk behaviour appears to be driven by difficulty accessing needles, bingeing, and frequent cocaine injection. Since acquisition of syringes from NEPs and residence in proximity to needle exchange programs were associate with a substantial reduction in high-risk sharing, expanding needle exchange and removing syringe limits may have substantial harm reducing effects. However, the data also suggest that the elevated injection frequency and bingeing associated with injected cocaine can hinder the protective effects of NEPs. In this context, the need for comprehensive harm reduction strategies is underscored.
You'll find that most objections to harm reduction methods such as needle exchanges and methadone treatment are actually a function of ideology rather than studies. the information overwhelmingly favours the use of these methods, alongside traditional rehabilitation and detox centers. | |
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| Needle Exchange Posted: 4/14/2008 9:10:36 AM | Im not all that concerned with the needle exchange - although I d prefer that the junkies just purchased or were allowed to purchase needles from a pharmacy (which wasnt allowed in MA til recently) problem being that I hate supporting the habit with tax money. Be that its a reality, Im resigned to it.
Where I live, near Boston, the city and now the state offer not only needle exchanges, but openly hand out Naloxone - aka NARCAN - this is a drug not dissimilar from synthetic adrenaline that can reverse an overdose. Aside from the practical implications - ie junkies are not EMTs and are NOT qualified to self medicate - this is woefully expensive. Stop the spread of aids or slow it through needle exchange? fine - but to wantonly hand out Naloxone? Stupid, shortsighted, dangerous and a waste of resources that should be reserved for those who deserve it.
And yes, I am qualified to say so - I served 4 years aboard an ambulance. | |
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| Needle Exchange Posted: 4/14/2008 9:49:32 AM | Needle exchange programs are just an effort to recognize reality.
There are intravenous drug users, and will continue to be. Nobody's gonna wave a magic wand to make it go away. Heroin actually has two main side effects - it's addictive and it causes a rash in some people. But the deaths caused by its use are staggering. | |
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| Needle Exchange Posted: 4/14/2008 10:41:29 AM | well yes, death is a nasty side effect of heroin....one more reason NOT to use that shit.
personally, I think an OD death is darwinism at its finest. some are just not meant for this world - who are we to stand in the way? | |
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| Needle Exchange Posted: 4/14/2008 10:44:04 AM | No needle exchange until those who need neddles (like diabetics) get them free. After that? Fine.
Perhaps the "recycle-reuse" mantra should be used with needles used by addicts. Might save a lot of money that way. Sure...this program slows the rate of infections...but is it a substantial number? I don't know. Should drugs be trated as a health problem? Then, all the money currently being used to try to keep drugs out could be redirected to healthcare. Perhaps druggies need to be rounded up and stuck into rehab, wether they like it or not, and forced to get clean. No trials...simple blood test...comes back positive, off they go.
Perhaps drugs should be made legal and the tax dollars generated turned to health care. Put the gangs out of business.
Medical help withheld form junkies. They are already on a self destructive path...allow them to continue.
Drugs sellers might be "hooked" on their own crap...then locked up without medical care to "beat the habit"....repeat that a few times, then release them. I am sure the withdrawl would make them think twice before selling again...but, then again, no underestimating human stupidity and greed.
find the bigger fish...and do the same to them. Mandatory drug testing for all welfare recipients. They can supply a list of all medication they are on to eliminate any errors. Automatic mandatory rehab for those testing positive.
There are a few things that can be done. People just have to make the outcry loud enough that the politicians cannot set the ideas aside. | |
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| Needle Exchange Posted: 4/14/2008 10:50:28 AM | This makes about as much sense as telling your child not to have sex, and then letting the school hand out free condoms.
Don't do drugs, and what do we do? Give them free needles. To me it sends the wrong message. | |
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| Needle Exchange Posted: 4/14/2008 6:54:00 PM | well yes, death is a nasty side effect of heroin....one more reason NOT to use that shit.
personally, I think an OD death is darwinism at its finest. some are just not meant for this world - who are we to stand in the way?
Darwinism doesn't apply, most Opiate addicts are more than old enough to reproduce children before they die, their genetics get passed on to the next generation.
Medical help withheld form junkies. They are already on a self destructive path...allow them to continue.
I'm curious, at the point that Junkies are in the position of requiring medical assistance, do you truely think they're in it for the fun and good times?
Drugs sellers might be "hooked" on their own crap...then locked up without medical care to "beat the habit"....repeat that a few times, then release them. I am sure the withdrawl would make them think twice before selling again...but, then again, no underestimating human stupidity and greed.
What you're understimating is the power of addiction. There are some very VERY smart drug addicts, some of them arn't particularily greedy. Hell selling drugs doesn't even make you all that much money usually, it's like being in the fashion industry, only one in a 100 makes anything at all. The rest live in their moms basement.
This makes about as much sense as telling your child not to have sex, and then letting the school hand out free condoms.
That's EXACTLY how much sense it makes, which would explain why the states that don't have such high pregnancy rates, and why the US pregnancy rate is SO much higher than the rest of the industrialized world.
Hell a better annalogy would be, it's like calling a cab for a drunkard, because if he doesn't have to face the concequence of driving home drunk, he is more likely to remain an alcoholic.
To say let the disease simply take their course is stupidly short sighted. Infectious disease when left untreated does not simply remain within the individual. The entire basis of harm reduction is exactly whats in the title. Reduce the harm of the drug use. On the person, on society, on families.
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| Needle Exchange Posted: 4/14/2008 10:28:39 PM | What we really need is a low cost simple jet injection system that that can be handed out in exchange for needles, given enough time they would replace the needles and no more having to keep your shoes on in the park and no more spreading blood born sickness.
Forget social engineering, this problem should be solved with technology. | |
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| Needle Exchange Posted: 4/15/2008 5:55:29 AM | | If these people need to have a needle exchange program, they have a lot larger problem than just contracting diseases from dirty needles. In a way if they just leave these people alone, natual selection will take over. Problem solved. | |
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| Needle Exchange Posted: 4/15/2008 6:05:01 AM | Mom2beagle, needle exchange programs tend to work. If the problem of dirty needles is from the lack of them, then it is solved by increasing the supply. It also allows for the disposal of used ones.
Again, being in an imperfect world, we simply adjust an intervention to what is, not what should be. It is the case that people use drugs and it is the case that dirty needles spread disease ........it "should not" be the case in a perfect world, but that is the way it is. | |
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| Needle Exchange Posted: 4/15/2008 6:47:15 AM |
If these people need to have a needle exchange program, they have a lot larger problem than just contracting diseases from dirty needles. In a way if they just leave these people alone, natual selection will take over. Problem solved.
Hey I've heard that diseases are communicable, I've even heard that having groups of people with HIV doesn't confine the HIV within the population.
Also, natural selection only works if it kills them before they reproduce.
But hey, congratulations you managed to make a 100% contentless post. It has literally 0 thinking behind it, pure old school puritan GOD DAMN REALITY nastyness along with writing off a population you obviously have no understanding of.
I bow to the complete lack of understanding in this post, you outdo yourself sir. | |
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| Needle Exchange Posted: 4/15/2008 11:31:08 AM | hardball said: This makes about as much sense as telling your child not to have sex, and then letting the school hand out free condoms.
Don't do drugs, and what do we do? Give them free needles. To me it sends the wrong message.
I say: Whats wrong with handing condoms out in schools? Are you the mom who says "no not my kid?".. Education is obviously an important attribute, however these kids are going to do it anyway and why not know they have resources to practice safe sex? The same goes for the needle exchange programs.. I'm all for it. It not only reduces the risk of spreading disease it saves taxpayers tons of money in Healthcare costs associated with such diseases. | |
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| Needle Exchange Posted: 4/15/2008 12:00:43 PM | Needle Exchange has worked well in Victoria BC, but there are many people who oppose it. I worked downtown Victoria for years and have to say that there are less dirty needles and I don't notice the addicts around near as much. I've been told that some addicts are actually going into treatment programs that are offered at the Needle Exchange locations, those people may have never kicked the habit if not for the programs.
And to those using the term "natural selection" or an attitude close to that, have some compassion people. What if it was your child? The narrowminded approach will only push people to rebel more. | |
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| Needle Exchange Posted: 4/15/2008 7:00:26 PM | Free needles? Oh wow I never heard that!! Point me in the direction of the nearest heroin dealer! It's silly to think that giving addicts clean needles is condoning drug use. They're going to use whether or not you think it's right, and if they don't have clean needles...whattaya think they're gonna use? Bingo! Dirty ones! Not only is AIDS a problem, but so is Hep C. Let's think with some hope here. Say one of these people does finally kick a heroin habit and ends up living a productive life. Do you think that it'd be some kind of divine justice if they also ended up living the rest of their life with Hep C or AIDS? You think that since they once had a problem they deserve to live the rest of their life in a compromised health state? | |
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| Needle Exchange Posted: 4/16/2008 5:21:22 AM | | I think its a good idea, maybe we cold provide brown paper bags and shot glasses to all the alcoholics as well,and we could provide magazines and DVD's to all the people with sex addictions, free passes to all the buffet's in town to all the people with food addictions...this is enabling....the argument about health issues and what not is relevant but when you get down to it this sends the wrong kind of message to addicts... | |
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| Needle Exchange Posted: 4/16/2008 5:30:30 AM | | Hey good idea! But you've forgot to add giving money to the compulsive gamblers, can't leave them out... | |
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| Needle Exchange Posted: 4/16/2008 5:41:32 AM | | If someone is talking about killing themselves, and I say "no don't kill yourself" and then promptly leave a loaded pistol on their nightstand, I am telling them no don't do it, but my actions say yes do it. Same thing with the needle exchange program. If you are giving them free needles, then you are part of the problem, not the solution. | |
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| Needle Exchange Posted: 4/16/2008 5:46:41 AM | I think its a good idea, maybe we cold provide brown paper bags and shot glasses to all the alcoholics as well,
If it reduced cases of liver damage, and drunk driving I would agree.
and we could provide magazines and DVD's to all the people with sex addictions,
If it was shown to reduce cases of risky/innapropriate sex why not?
free passes to all the buffet's in town to all the people with food addictions...
If this reduced cases of heart disease, and reduced weight gain... why not.
See how these analogies fall appart?
this is enabling....
No enabling is when you allow somebody to use when they otherwise would not have the opportunity. It's self evident that the issue that prevents drug use is not dirty needles, as dirty needles are already being used. Statistically needle operations have reduced, not increased the societal damage of these drugs.
the argument about health issues and what not is relevant but when you get down to it this sends the wrong kind of message to addicts...
What, that sharing needles is something to be avoided? Did it ever occure to you that most needle exchange programs also provide a means of front line discussions with active users OUTSIDE of law enforcement? I'm curious how you think a 16 year old getting HIV from a needle sends the right message to other active users. They're already users the time for scared straight has past
If someone is talking about killing themselves, and I say "no don't kill yourself" and then promptly leave a loaded pistol on their nightstand, I am telling them no don't do it, but my actions say yes do it. Same thing with the needle exchange program. If you are giving them free needles, then you are part of the problem, not the solution.
Another great analogy, no wait, Needle exchanges REDUCE the risk, what you're suggesting is that LOADING the gun for them to INCREASE the risk will somehow REDUCE their behavior (suicide).
Try again.
Also studies show that your fears of encouraging use don't actually happen.
http://www.caps.ucsf.edu/pubs/FS/NEPrev.php
Does needle exchange reduce the spread of HIV? Encourage drug use? It is possible to significantly limit HIV transmission among IDUs. One study looked at five cities with IDU populations where HIV prevalence had remained low. Glasgow, Scotland; Lund, Sweden; New South Wales, Australia; Tacoma, WA; and Toronto, Ontario, all had the following prevention components: beginning prevention activities when levels of HIV infection were still low; providing sterile injection equipment including through NEPs; and conducting community outreach to IDUs. 10 A study of 81 cities around the world compared HIV infection rates among IDUs in cities that had NEPs with cities that did not have NEPs. In the 52 cities without NEPs, HIV infection rates increased by 5.9% per year on average. In the 29 cities with NEPs, HIV infection rates decreased by 5.8% per year. The study concluded that NEPs appear to lead to lower levels of HIV infection among IDUs. 11
In San Francisco, CA, the effects of an NEP were studied over a five-year period. The NEP did not encourage drug use either by increasing drug use among current IDUs, or by recruiting significant numbers of new or young IDUs. On the contrary, from December 1986 through June 1992, injection frequency among IDUs in the community decreased from 1.9 injections per day to 0.7, and the percentage of new initiates into injection drug use decreased from 3% to 1%. 12
Hundreds of other studies of NEPs have been conducted, and all have been summarized in a series of eight federally funded reports dating back to 1991. Each of the eight reports has concluded that NEPs can reduce the number of new HIV infections and do not appear to lead to increased drug use among IDUs or in the general community. 13-15 These were the two criteria that by law had to be met before the federal ban on NEP service funding could be lifted. This is a degree of unanimity on the interpretation of research findings unusual in science. Five of the studies recommended that the federal ban be lifted and two made no recommendations. In the eighth report the Department of Health and Human Services decided that the two criteria had been met, but failed to lift the ban. 15 The Congress has since changed the law, continuing to ban federal funding for NEPs, regardless of whether the criteria are met.
Ideology rather than thought.
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| Needle Exchange Posted: 4/16/2008 6:21:13 AM | Needle exchange will always be a contentious issue, the underlying problems are complex. For example extreme poverty, abuse, self esteem, incarceration in prison, male & female rape, chronic illness, coercion by partners, parents and all sorts of people make up the this picture.
The people who survive some of the greatest crimes in our society turn unfortunately to some means of relieving pain they simply don't have the means to deal with for a whole assortment of reasons.
These survivors are testimony to two things, the incredible endurance of the human body and mind to withstand incomprehensible suffering and the lucky chances that bridge hell and normality. One of these very fragile bridges is needle exchange - as others have commented that small glimmer of compassion, may be the only hand of care some of these people have ever known. These are destroyed people.
Think about it, someone reaching down to where they are, not judging them in their misery and encouraging these incredible survivors that there is reason to hang in there and try to walk out of hell. I agree another means of injecting would be preferable and eventually it will come - but in the meantime society should be asking why these people are being left to die so miserably. Very very few were healthy happy people to start with, many starting life already addicted or with foetal injuries - they simply weren't in a position from day one to take advantage of the choices us well fed and well clothed and well housed human beings have. They are in hell and it may be all they know.
There are substantial numbers of articles about the efficacy of needle exchange programs, yes it does save lives. What we really need is a needle exchange program for prisons, in a way that does not present a menace to staff. Why you ask? Because the growing prison population, don't stay in there, they leave 10% of them having been raped by multiple offenders, multiple times, many inject for the first time in prisons. Yet these prisoners do not even have access to bleach, something that life-saving, plain old $1/Litre bleach. Of the 10 million formerly incarcerated people who leave prison - many return to wives and girlfriends. Needle exchange affects more people than you think, and who goes last in a group of injecting users? The women, the abused beyond belief women or even children.
For those of you with the cavalier attitudes about the real human suffering of others, give thanks it isn't you, because truly very very little sepparates us for all our condemnation of others - how well do you think any one of us would cope with multiple pack rape or the horrors some of these human beings have survived? Hold your stones and your comments because drugs affects everyone of us in some way, spare a thought for the parents on here, you don't know how lucky you are, you should be ashamed of yourselves. Imagine how you would feel as a parent reading some of these comments on here, or a young person who has just lost a friend. A warm safe home sure can make some of us incredibly self righteous. | |
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| Needle Exchange Posted: 4/16/2008 10:08:28 AM | For those of you with the cavalier attitudes about the real human suffering of others, give thanks it isn't you, because truly very very little sepparates us for all our condemnation of others - how well do you think any one of us would cope with multiple pack rape or the horrors some of these human beings have survived? Hold your stones and your comments because drugs affects everyone of us in some way, spare a thought for the parents on here, you don't know how lucky you are, you should be ashamed of yourselves. Imagine how you would feel as a parent reading some of these comments on here, or a young person who has just lost a friend. A warm safe home sure can make some of us incredibly self righteous.
You are way out of line. I did not choose the life for the drug addict. They made that choice, so don't go trying to blame everyone else for the stupidity of someone that wants to do drugs. | |
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| Needle Exchange Posted: 4/16/2008 10:44:34 AM | | Although we all do make some poor choices in life I wouldn't exactly call it "stupid" for those who have unfortunately fell victim to addiction, any addiction at that. Some are stronger than others and can pull themselves back up while others continue to sink deeper.While I truly believe that one cannot be helped until they help themselves I totally agree with the needle exchange programs, condom distribution in schools and any other type of public services available along with Educational resources to help prevent the spread of deadly diseases. In case you haven't realized the spread of HIV/AIDS continues to grow rapidly in ALL communities and programs as such can and will save lives... | |
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