| smoking bans
Posted: 4/15/2008 9:33:54 AM | I just like to get peoples opinion on this. recently, the city I am planning on moving to, banned smoking in restaurants. I was wondering if people supported these bans, or think that each individual business owner should be able to run their business they way he or she chooses to.
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K-lo
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Joined: 7/31/2006
Msg: 2 | |
| smoking bans
Posted: 4/15/2008 9:47:04 AM | I definitely believe business owners should be able to make this decision for themselves. It's Capitalism.
Some businesses will find that banning smoking will improve business, depending on their customers. Others will find the exact opposite and their businesses might fold altogether.
Our state went non-smoking - and I really don't go out as often now. I cook at home instead or get stuff to-go. If I go to pubs, I pick the ones with patios.
I don't really look at it as "my right to smoke" or "my non-right to inflict other people with second-hand smoke." It's purely a Capitalism issue for me. If people have the option to pick a non-smoking establishment over a smoking establishment, and the smoking establishments see their business decline - then they can make the business decision to change to non-smoking and attract more customers. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 9:58:47 AM | | I agree, but I am shocked at the number of people who disagree with us. some people actually believe that it's the right of the government to dictate to business owners how to run their business. uhg. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 10:03:45 AM | I'm with K-Lo all the way on this. I just don't believe the government should over implicate itself on choice. Perhaps that comes from the fact it had always been a certain way for a lifetime and now we have more government imposition. What's next? Another aspect is that police authority is given to non-law enforcement workers. Timmy's mom from the Health Department can walk up to you if you are 14' away from a doorway and slap you with a fine. Just not sure this is right.
Now with that said, I have zero problems with the respect for the health of others aspect of it. It's not that it's a bad idea at all to have ways of having smoke-free environments. As a smoker, hopefully a former smoker very soon, I strive to be respectful of others and not impose my bad habits onto others. | |
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K-lo
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Joined: 7/31/2006
Msg: 5 | |
| smoking bans
Posted: 4/15/2008 10:03:56 AM | Well, actually, in Ohio - - it wasn't necessarily the "government" that made the decision. The "people" voted on it. Even so - I think it is anti-capitalist and anti-privatization. But that seems to be the trend in today's society. Protectionism and paternalism is running rampant.
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I don't know if it will ever end. So many people thrive on controlling others and wielding power . . . more so then they care about just tending to their own lives. It's a lonely place for the individualistic sort. Myself - I vote for the candidate that is the least likely to regulate everything that could possibly be regulated in this country. I'd actually like to start electing people who will stop implementing new legislation. Everything is over-legislated and over-regulated.
Also - - so much of these prohibited and taboo things are all marketing scams. It's genius really. But the scheme is: 1) Scare people into believing that the sky is falling (or something is bad, bad, bad); and then 2) Go in for the kill and sell the things that make people believe they will be better for stopping the sky from falling. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 10:11:00 AM | also, the question is when and where does it stop. right now, there is a woman who has lived in an apartment for 30 years in NYC that is facing a lawsuit because a new neighbor said that they smelled smoke in a common hallway. now it is coming into the home. this from the same city that banned trans fats. I don't think it's going to end! | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 10:41:22 AM | I absolutely love these smoking bans in public places. They finally banned smoking on all bar and restaurant patios around here 
All we need around here is a bit of sun and I'll be sitting on a patio enjoying a beer. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 10:44:59 AM | | Wait until they ban beer. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 10:46:06 AM | you think that's bad. in bloomington,IN you can't even smoke on the sidewalk without gettin a ticket, unless you're in front of a bar. we have a restaurant ban, but there's a loophole that if you air supply is different for the smoker than the non-smokers you can have one.
Also there is a restaurant in Mooresville that protest this law and has been fined multiple times, but the food is so good people keep coming back. regardless of smoke. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 10:48:47 AM | did you about the guy they found in the basement of a pub who was dead. never smelt his corpse decaying, because of the smoke smell. then smoking ban hit and guess what they smelt.
I don't mind going out to smoke, but i hate when the self-righteous****uckers look down on me for poluting the environment while they pass in the dodge hemi. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 10:51:05 AM |
Wait until they ban beer. There is already rules associated with who, where and when we can drink beer, so in effect, it's already been done.
Kinda off topic though. | |
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K-lo
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Joined: 7/31/2006
Msg: 12 | |
| smoking bans
Posted: 4/15/2008 10:52:33 AM |
Wait until they ban beer.
How does one buy stock in the black market? | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 11:00:17 AM |
I absolutely love these smoking bans in public places. They finally banned smoking on all bar and restaurant patios around here
All we need around here is a bit of sun and I'll be sitting on a patio enjoying a beer.
wow, wonder who you are going to vote for.  so let me get this strait, you want a ban on smoking in bars but you want to sit on the patio and have a beer? you do realize that people are going to be smoking on the patio don't you. why don't you stay inside in your smoke free environment?
I am not a smoker, but I have an idea for all those who smoke and live in places that have banned it in restaurants. start dipping at the tables. it doesn't affect people around you, but I guarantee you that the site of you spitting in a cup will make them sick when they try to eat. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 11:14:55 AM | They make sense in Restaurants because everybody knows that smoking section smoke goes to the non-smoking side.
But Bars is another question.
Here in Iowa they just passed a No Smoking in Bars and Restaurant Law. However this was hyprocritical because Casino's Bars were exempt as is the Statehouse. See Lawmakers knew if they banned smoking in Casino's, the revenue that came to the State would drop significantly. So in essense they told the Bar owners, "We are doing this to save lives! You have to enforce it or get a fine! However there is no way we are going to worry about saving lives in the Casino's because that effects OUR bottom line"
Meanwhile they smoke there fat cigars at the Statehouse.
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Posted: 4/15/2008 11:18:07 AM | | and this is the reason that bans are a HORRIBLE IDEA! this isn't a one size fits all society. | |
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| smoking bans
Posted: 4/15/2008 11:26:19 AM |
Kinda off topic though.
Not really. Most smokers understand the concept of not smoking around non-smokers, the topic does include a discussion of government intervention and regulation of personal choice.
You might like to have a beer with your steak, but there are non-drinkers at the restaurant that don't want to see a beer on your table when they eat theirs. They get other tee-totallers involved and then an activist pastor in town rallies a huge group into the county board meetings. Next thing you know, you've lost a liberty.
It's easy to say big deal when we're talking about regulating vices. But every time a government body takes away a liberty, they look to the next way to be intrusive. Next it might be that it is illegal to have any of the 80 cent lightbulbs in your home as you are required to have the $8 lightbulbs in every socket in your home. Environmentalists will say, no biggie... but to enforce it one day you have to open your home to compliance inspectors. Random searches of your home.
At some point you have to question where the line is. | |
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K-lo
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Joined: 7/31/2006
Msg: 17 | |
| smoking bans
Posted: 4/15/2008 11:36:33 AM |
At some point you have to question where the line is. True dat. And I'm really starting to wonder if it's going to be "too late" before enough people start asking that question.
But seriously - how does one buy stock in the black market. This is going to be my genius money-maker. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 11:38:30 AM | Let me ask my buddies Crocket and Tubbs.
I saw this post in another forum that I consider pertinent.
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts8703224.aspx
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Posted: 4/15/2008 11:41:07 AM | | ittech, the ultra far left don't see this. it's funny you mentioned banning beer. there was a college somewhere in the mid west that had a muslim population that wanted a halal option on the menu at the student food court. they gave it to them, but then they still refused to eat there because they felt is was offensive that they had a halal menu where they served alcohol and demanded they stop serving alcohol. it will never be enough. things like these are scary. I am all for a ban, which is enforced by the restaurant owner, but when local government does it. that is where we must draw a line. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 11:44:45 AM | | not sure how to buy stock in the black market but I have a couple of suggestions for you. purchase precious metals. don't purchase stock in them. don't purchase certificates, get the real deal. stack your gold and silver bars like fort knox. then when you want to sell, sell them to a collector. you get cash and therefore will not have to pay the dreaded and illegal capital gains tax! | |
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K-lo
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Joined: 7/31/2006
Msg: 21 | |
| smoking bans
Posted: 4/15/2008 11:57:04 AM | I'm thinking I might also buy stock in microbreweries. (I already have some moonshine partnerships - so I'm good there). But, if I get in with the microbreweries now, then maybe I can stay with them when they "go under."
As a matter of fact - I think I just came up with my own reverse marketing scheme! I will start the underground microbrews, and then I will scare people into believing prohibition is the right way to go . . . and then I'll own the market! Oh, I'll also start a whole line of non-alcoholic beverages, with some new "super ingredient" that makes it healthy . . . it could be wheat germ for all I care - but I'll give it a different name. (Kind of like Activia has done. You do realize that that ingredient they promote is in regular yogurt anyway, right?) Anyway - so all the good people who have condemned alcohol will buy the non-alcoholic stuff, they'll feel good about themselves . . . and I'll be rich!!
Oh - and the non-zombies can still drink the good stuff underground. And I'll still be rich . . . and happy.
I can't believe I didn't already do this for the cigarette market. I have a lot of work to do. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 12:03:48 PM | | I also find it a little ironic that the same people who promote smoking bans, have no problem with $1 draft night, or $5 all you can drink. you can drink 23 beers, but just don't smoke! I know the argument of, drinking 23 beers only hurts the person doing it, until they leave the bar. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 12:04:01 PM | Microbrewies made me think of a time I was in a bar in San Francisco that had 40 taps lined up behind the bar.
I ordered a Budweiser to which the bartender rolled his eyes and disappeared into the back for about 5 minutes or so. He came back in with a 6-pack still on the plastic rings. He told me he had to go to the liquor store across the alley to buy it so he could serve me. I told him I was feeling like having 7 beers.
Back to our regularly scheduled programming. | |
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K-lo
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Joined: 7/31/2006
Msg: 24 | |
| smoking bans
Posted: 4/15/2008 12:19:51 PM | Ohhhhhhhhhhh . . . evil Itechman! I'll tell you what - you better check that sass at the cellar door when you come to my underground sanctuary.
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The dipping thing would be a good idea except for the fact that I still have an aversion to dip since I accidentally swallowed it in the 8th grade, and, well . . . got sick. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 12:28:42 PM | | I still like my idea of dipping at the table. smoking may smell gross but watching someone spit while you eat can't be good for the appetite. | |
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