| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/16/2008 11:14:30 AM | Reading a few posts on various threads from members who are obviously passionate about Britain and being British give me the impression that -
They see the UK as once mighty and being "flooded" with foreigners.
Some fear this country eventually having a huge or even majority population of non anglo saxons.
One poster even predicted the UK gradually becoming a third world country being ruled by sharia law.
They perceive the foreigners / immigrants having more rights than the UK natives.
They quote lack of housing caused by immigration.
And immigration forcing wages to be lower.
The list goes on but its all doom and gloom. I dont know if it will turn out this way but..........
My question -
IF it did - if you found yourself living in a UK reduced to a third world country under sharia law and you as a native were the minority, with less rights, earning far less than you wanted to - And you saw other countries prospering - would you try to enter the other prosperous country as an illegal immigrant and try to make a better life there or would you stay in the UK no matter what happens ?
Try to stick to the question - would you stay in the UK or enter another country illegally.
edit - by "illegally" i mean to live there illegally ( working or claiming benefit or even retiring ) | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/16/2008 11:17:40 AM | would you try to enter the other prosperous country as an illegal immigrant and try to make a better life
I'd be off quicker than you could say "failed asylum seeker" | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/16/2008 11:26:30 AM | i would certainly make an effort to flee,but something tells me it wont be as easy as it seems...what with the british public transport already being compared to third world standards etc etc | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/16/2008 11:28:52 AM |
i would certainly make an effort to flee,but something tells me it wont be as easy as it seems
Don't worry. I'm sure I could find room for you on my yacht. You'd have to leave your tractor behind though. | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/16/2008 11:34:24 AM | sorry Mr.Native sir but as the country is not yet in complete meltdown then defra laws about kath and her tractor still stand... i could cruise it down the euro tunnel as a last resort i suppose | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/16/2008 11:34:40 AM | i think a lot would depend on the country....some places overseas have a policy of 'shoot now, ask questions later'..which is one of the many reasons people end up coming here.
if it's a place as cushy as this one must appear....put me down for a ticket! | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/16/2008 11:37:49 AM | I know where you are going with this and to directly answer your question, no i wouldnt give up my british status to live as an illegal immigrant in another country.
Why, because i would be no better than the very people i critisise for bringing this country to its knees and secondly i would not like to be considered the same way as i consider those that blatently wander into this country and abuse its hospitality. | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/16/2008 12:08:58 PM | Try to move and make a better life for myself and my family? You bet I would.
But then I expect my views on imigration and foreign people living in the Uk or even trying to get in here are different to the majority. I think on the whole our country is great and the diverse and varied people that live here help to make it so.
I think a small minority are giving the vast majority a bad name, like in many other areas of life.
My advise to anyone worried about such things is to stop reading the daily mail and try not to take as fact everything you read/see in the news. | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/16/2008 12:11:35 PM | | Yes I'd leave everything apart from my cat (I'll smuggle him in my knickers) and get out asap, Infact I'd love to emmigrate now. | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/16/2008 12:12:59 PM |
IF it did - if you found yourself living in a UK reduced to a third world country under sharia law and you as a native were the minority, with less rights, earning far less than you wanted to - And you saw other countries prospering - would you try to enter the other prosperous country as an illegal immigrant and try to make a better life there or would you stay in the UK no matter what happens ?
You would be surprised how many people from the UK did this in the 80s & 90s in Australia. All of my friends were illegal; some have not long become residents after all this time, some begrudgingly came back, & some were deported. (Anyone that has to one of my meets - you've met a deported alien lol  ) ... I was the envied lucky one that had citizenship ...
would you stay in the UK or enter another country illegally. Absolutely - I would have in the 80s if I had to, & would again. Thankfully I'll never need to though as I'm sorted as a dual citizen so I'm alright Jack lol  | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/16/2008 12:32:50 PM | Brian - is this where you point out the double standards of those who would move abroad and and yet not be enamoured with the flotsam and jetsam of the world flocking here?
Well to put my piece in early..
You're thinking in black and white terms - there are always shades of grey. It is to simplify the argument.
The people of this country are obsessed with race and it is so boring. I'll never understand the dyed in the wool racists or the dyed in the wall uber liberals - to me they are both two sides of the same coin. | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/16/2008 2:10:02 PM | I want to live in the usa ! or scotland or australia or southern europe !
Britains skrewed, its piss man, i liked it all imperial, **** the influx, **** the eastern block, **** the muslims, **** the LABOUR**** !
I wasnt bought up in a factory or in a asylum seekers centre !
I freekin hate this place ! | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/16/2008 2:29:07 PM | | I dont want to leave this country, and I dont want to see it do down the pan, we need a completely new goverment and the place needs "cleaning up". I guess I would stay and fight to make it a better place. | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/16/2008 3:15:30 PM | Yep would definatly have a go.. but the difference is.. I would take the first country I crossed to that offered me a better way of life. If they accepted me of course, if not I would trod off back home with my tail between my legs.
We see many Asylum seekers crossing many countries to get to us. I think this is what P's the Brits off. For example a seeker has found france, but thats not good enough and they have to sneak over via tunnel or wotknot to the UK to take advantage of our services.
Some have taken up fake ID's etc while living here illegally to reap the benefits. | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/16/2008 3:58:49 PM | if you found yourself living in a UK reduced to a third world country under sharia law and you as a native were the minority, with less rights, earning far less than you wanted to - And you saw other countries prospering - would you try to enter the other prosperous country as an illegal immigrant and try to make a better life there or would you stay in the UK no matter what happens ?
Ok so if sharia law is different to the constant video surveillance by councils, the police, mobile and internet tapping by the gov't agencies, inhibiting our freedom of speech and action, being politically correct to the point of racism/sexism etc. then maybe I could veer towards them?
I currently have very few rights as upheld by Law.
I earn a pittance and would have a higher income if my two daughters (13/16) were to move in with me and I get sacked than I do working and average of a 50 hr week. I would also have quality time to spend with them (hey, I could probably afford a couple/three months in Goa into the bargain??)
Yes I see other countries as carrots on a stick... I do however have age against me and due to me failing the education system (C grade o'level French) my foreign Language isn't all that good. So I'm stuck with English speaking countries for ease.. problem is I'm white, over 40 and don't have qualifications in the needed skills (like a dummy I went to University rather than get a trade like many of my friends who are now naturalised Canadians/Australians/New Zealanders.
Once my divorce is all paid up.. you never know.. Ruffy may go on a long-long-long-long holiday to the antipodes
Power to the people as Wolfie used to cry.. Power to desert the sinking shi(t)p.
Ruffy | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/16/2008 5:01:54 PM | The problem is, to which country in the world would I go to ensure that I mixed with my own kind?
Well I am of the 'Humankind'.
There are only 2 kinds of human in my book, the kind, and the unkind.
Botswana, now there is a lovely country to live. The pace of life is slower, you are amongst nature, the neighbours of the village all know one another and help each other, they share what little they have, they don't have to worry about knife/gun crime, and everyones smiling. When I lived there I was openly welcomed in by all and sundry. There was no racism. They were no suspicious. There was no paranoia. I became incredibly chilled out and felt privileged to have the opportunity to meet such blessed souls. These are the kinds of people I would prefer to live with, and I would say these are my 'kind'. 
I liked that place so much that I stayed there illegally as an illegal immigrant for quite some time, and I was mad for coming back, because from the moment I arrived in London, I was in for an unpleasant culture shock!
La'kech (I am another you/you are another me).
p.s. most people i know who are done with working, have retired to a warmer country so that must say something. After all you say about this country, it has given most of us the opportunity of relative wealth. Our currency is the strongest in the world, and our property prices are at ridiculously high levels, ideal for selling up and finding a nicer place in the world to live. It just makes sense really doesn't it? You could say its a blessing in disguise.. and on you go to live a more fulfilling, meaningful, enjoyable, relaxing phase of your life. | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/16/2008 5:38:04 PM |
IF it did - if you found yourself living in a UK reduced to a third world country under sharia law and you as a native were the minority, with less rights, earning far less than you wanted to - And you saw other countries prospering - would you try to enter the other prosperous country as an illegal immigrant and try to make a better life there or would you stay in the UK no matter what happens ?
Firstly, I have to say it wouldn't happen, IMHO.
Secondly, I am a bolshy fecker (some of you may have noticed) and I wouldn't go down without a fight.
In short, no, I wouldn't leave. | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/16/2008 6:05:12 PM |
Pray tell - what exactly would you be fighting against?
Ooh, good point.
IF it did - if you found yourself living in a UK reduced to a third world country under sharia law and you as a native were the minority, with less rights, earning far less than you wanted to
Most of that bit, although the
earning far less than you wanted to
I've been fighting against for years. Bloody government (of whatever political persuasion) keeps disagreeing with the arguments of a fair day's wage for a fair day's work. Such is the life of a lowly public servant.
I'll fight tooth and nail to ensure that sharia law does not become the judicial system of this country. It won't happen though and I'm quite confident that I'll never need to throw myself under any horses to ensure women retain their rights and (notional) equality. | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/17/2008 2:59:26 AM |
I believe under this completey imcompetent useless goverment having screwed this country up for 11 years the only way is down as iam concerned, etc etc etc etc
Gazza,
Any chance of an answer to the question ?
The problem is, to which country in the world would I go to ensure that I mixed with my own kind?
I was nt asking what country you would choose - I was asking if under those circumstances, you leave the UK and live illegally in anther country. | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/17/2008 3:42:17 AM | Nope I wouldn't live illegally in another country UNLESS my child's life was in danger. When it comes to my kid's physical saftey I'm willing to break the law without blinking.
I'd rather stay here and plod away for the restitution of our civil liberties. With fingerprinting of school kids (to use the library), DNA retention by the government, the rights of over 266 public bodies to enter my home without permission, cameras in bins, detention without trial, the planned microchipping of the met, the tax situation etc, we are selling the very freedoms our forefathers fought so hard for down the river at a frightening speed. I'm not entirely sure that Sharia Law wouldn't restore some of the rights to personal freedom that this government seems hell bent on removing!
It's easy to blame the immigrants for all societies ills, Hitler demonized a section of society on his way to power too. At the end of the day we are an island ffs! The political will just isn't there to control immigration. Remember the Eastern Europeans are told by the British Government that this is the "promised land" back in their own countries, and offered all sorts of incentives to come here.
These illegal people aren't coming in on tiny Cornish smuggling boats, women and kids are being bought and sold at major airport coffee shops and we allow it to happen. The powers that be need us to be fighting amongst each other and pointing the finger in the wrong direction at the immigrants so that we don't watch how closely their noses are in the trough and storm parliament for the start of the next revolution!
The British are being a bit dumb right now, but we are a stubborn, brave race so when the public does wake up to how it's being conned Nu Labour and all it's cronies will be in for a rough ride! | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/17/2008 3:51:47 AM |
The British are being a bit dumb right now, but we are a stubborn, brave race so when the public
I noticed that you used the word "we".
Its just a shame that the only party who pride themselves on nationalism, have a majority of members and supporters who will never regard you or your children as British.
I am born here of foreign parents and the BNP supporters I refer to would say I am British because I am white and born here and my parents were from the "British Isles"
Yet, a person born here who is non white is not so welcomed by them ! | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/17/2008 4:22:03 AM | ^^^^^^^
You think I don't see the irony in that? I've had nasty messages to that effect from forum members and have blocked a couple of people as a result.
The BNP do not represent the British people, not the generations who fought through two world wars and arrested and tried the Mosleys for treason. They may represent a small minority of uneducated welfare spongers who think that thuggery = power. Twas ever thus, I remember the NF of the 1970's and 1980's. | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/17/2008 4:30:00 AM |
They may represent a small minority of uneducated welfare spongers who think that thuggery = power
Well, yes - of all the members here who supported BNP views and ideaologies, most have immediately resorted to nasty and abusive language.
And some could not even spell the name of their country !
Only a few have spoken calmly and debated rather than ranted.
The UK is evolving. Day by day, there are more black people born in the UK of parents who were born in the UK - and are black. The number of non white UK citizens is growing all the time. Every generation that passes, these non-white people are more and more British with British parents and British grandparents.
This is going to cause a problem in the long term for a party that claims to support the British but dont regard black UK born people as British enough !
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