| Barack Obama And Bill Ayers of Weather Undergorund
Posted: 4/17/2008 4:42:44 PM | | Did anyone here about the connection between Barack Obama and Bill Ayers a member of weather underground that placed bombs at the pentagon and other governemnt facilities in the 1970's? Barack Obama attended a woods foundation fundraiser at the home of Bill Ayers right before he was elected to the Illnois senate. Obama was also a ceo of some sort in the Woods foundation in which Bill Ayers owned. I heard this on a radio station while driving home and before you think it is a republican based radio program, it is not. I am going to try to find a web site on this so I can post it here. I was just wondering if anyone have heard about it. Bill Ayers was a domesticated terrorist. | |
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| Barack Obama And Bill Ayers of Weather Undergorund
Posted: 4/17/2008 4:49:19 PM | | I just found a place where you can get more information. If you type in Bill Ayers into a google search and click on Obama's neighbor Ayers and scroll down all the way you will find the story about this. This is unbelieveable! | |
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| Barack Obama And Bill Ayers of Weather Undergorund
Posted: 4/17/2008 6:14:38 PM | In his "youth" (which lasted into what, his late 30's??) "W." was an alcoholic, a cocaine user, and a draft dodger who went awol from the National Guard. Yet, he was seen as "Presidential" by somwhere around 49% of the populace. In fact, most of the people who voted for GWB were probably "crazy radicals" from that late 60's early 70's era wherein Bill Ayer's did horrendous things. Then, the "flower children" got old and scared of their own shadows and became registered Republicans or "Reagan Democrats." Key differences here are, in the case of W he did stupid things as a young man. In the case of Obama some one who supports him did stupid things as a young man. While Bush has proven himself to be tyrannical, treasonous and incompetent I rather doubt it has anything to do with snorting coke and boozing it up as a little rich kid. Likewise, I doubt that any ignorant behavior on the part of Obama during his youth will have any bearing on his ability to be President. Certainly, the stupid things supporters did have no relevance.
You really have to wonder why there are so many and such persistent attempts to discredit Mr. Obama. An allergic reaction to anything doesn't mean there is a problem with the allergan; there is a problem in the person who has the allergic reaction. The smart ones seek treatment. | |
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| Barack Obama And Bill Ayers of Weather Undergorund
Posted: 4/17/2008 7:06:55 PM | Bill Ayers is an English professor. He's also an elderly neighbour of the Obamas.
Do you seriously check the backgrounds of every neighbour of yours going back 40 years before you accept an invitation to their house? Obama was eight years old when this guy was a radical.
But it all goes back to what they've been trying to do all along - they're terrified of running against Obama, so they're trying to run against anyone else. No matter how flimsy the connection. | |
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| Barack Obama And Bill Ayers of Weather Undergorund
Posted: 4/17/2008 8:18:38 PM | Did anyone here about the connection between Barack Obama and Bill Ayers a member of weather underground that placed bombs at the pentagon and other governemnt facilities in the 1970's?
...well aparently that worked wonders. boneheads all over the internet today are saying the same thing. guess what, Bill Ayers did not blow up anything. good work on all that research....
did you know if you did a google search on the bat boy, scroll down to result 234,587 you will see where bat boy married goldilocks!!! | |
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| Barack Obama And Bill Ayers of Weather Undergorund
Posted: 4/17/2008 8:24:37 PM | Part of the problem is that Ayers has never come out and expressed regret about his radical period... and God knows we love to see people gnash their teeth and wrench out a good performance of regret.
Obama has never denied knowing the guy... but it's not like they're good buddies... out for beers and spuds while they talk about how to 'take down the system.'
And like Obama said in the debate last night, he's pals with some pretty extreme conservative types too... like the guy he mentioned who condones blowing up abortion clinics... and no one is asking him about those connections.
Why isn't it enough for the people who don't want to vote for Obama to just stick to talking about why they don't like his ideas? Why they don't think what he's got planned will work? How he can't get us out of Iraq... or can't provide health care reform?
Those might be valid arguments... especially if presented with really great alternative plans...
but instead most of the noise seems to be about this nutty conspiracy crap... about finding the wackiest stuff you can throw at the guy instead of the REAL issues deserving of rational discussion.
It stinks of fear and ignorance to fall into that sort of trap. | |
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| Barack Obama And Bill Ayers of Weather Undergorund
Posted: 4/17/2008 8:34:54 PM | Do you want a president that shares his allegiance with a country other than the US? There is so much flying around about this guy. I admit all of what you hear is normally not true. When the two presidental candidates are chosen that is when everything comes out. This was printed on Washington Post.com.
I just can't seem to get it out of my head. My president of the United States, declaring his hometown : Jakarta, Indonesia, if that isn't conflick of interest I don't know what is.
That is a split priority. That says alot to me.
Hillary Rodham Clinton
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| Barack Obama And Bill Ayers of Weather Undergorund
Posted: 4/17/2008 8:48:12 PM | Yeah, god forbid we should elect someone who has lived outside the U.S. for a while in their youth...
Though... didn't John McCain also spend a bit of time abroad? Should we suspect him too?
Maybe anyone who has ever left the country should be counted out because they might have been replaced with some sort of doppleganger?
A robot double?
A pod person?
Maybe we need to do blood tests on all of them to make sure they're really human and not selling us out to the Greys?
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| Barack Obama And Bill Ayers of Weather Undergorund
Posted: 4/17/2008 9:27:37 PM | I suppose it would be fine with you if an Iraqi came over and ran for president? I don't call it scared or ignorant, I call it comon sense to want someone not from another country, even if only by half.
I am entitled to my opinion just like you are. I'm not scared..........ohh booo hooo and I'm not ignorant.....I'm just not as liberal as you, so of course that makes you right doesn't it?  | |
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Posted: 4/17/2008 9:52:15 PM | John McCain was born in Panama!
Lions and Tigers and Bears! Oh My!
(from Associated Press)
updated 6:22 a.m. ET, Fri., March. 28, 2008
DENVER - A pair of lawyers — one Republican, one Democrat — have concluded that John McCain’s 1936 birth outside the continental United States does not disqualify him to be president.
The likely Republican nominee was born on a U.S. naval base in 1936 in the Panama Canal Zone.
A federal judge in California has been asked to determine whether McCain meets the legal test to hold the nation’s highest office. Although McCain has called questions about his eligibility nonsense, his campaign, as it did in his first White House run in 2000, sought a review from legal experts to put the issue to rest.
“Based on the original meaning of the Constitution, the Framers’ intentions, and subsequent legal and historical precedent, Senator McCain’s birth to parents who were U.S. citizens, serving on a U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936, makes him a ’natural born citizen’ within the meaning of the Constitution,” the review found.
The issue was examined by former Solicitor General Ted Olson, a Republican backing McCain, and Harvard Law Professor Laurence H. Tribe, a Democrat backing Barack Obama.
The Constitution requires that only “natural born” citizens hold the presidency. But the Founding Fathers did not elaborate on the term, and the meaning of the phrase has long been debated.
John McCain was born in Panama!
John McCain was born in Panama!
( It makes a great soundbyte! Let's keep repeating it over and over and see if we can make some political points with it!)
John McCain was born in Panama!
John McCain was born in Panama!
John McCain was born in Panama!
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If you want the whole low-down--the straight story!--you can read about Barack Obama's family history in Indonesia in the TIME magazine cover story about his mother:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524,00.html
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| Barack Obama And Bill Ayers of Weather Undergorund
Posted: 4/17/2008 9:53:44 PM | When H. Clinton brought this up at the debate... Obama countered with the fact that her hubby (he phrased it... the Clinton admin. I believe) pardoned 2 of stated participants/leaders.  Tit for tat.
What bothers me the most about Obama (I have concerns..pros and cons for all 3 potential Presidental candidates)... is his vote to not make English the 'official' language of the USA.
Whether or not it should be obvious that English should be 'the' language... still, one would expect a Citizen and especially an elected official would vote YES on that simple issue. And, yes, that seem a 'petty' issue... but, to me it does carry meaning/merit as to which way one would vote on that. | |
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| Barack Obama And Bill Ayers of Weather Undergorund
Posted: 4/17/2008 10:37:52 PM | John McCain was born in Panama: yep at a US military base. Your point? John McCain's profile did not credit him as having his home town there. There is aslo a difference between Indonesia and Panama.
Let see, Obams mother was an atheist, his dad and step dad were {muslim} until they turned atheist. It is apparent his mother didn't care much for this country. If you have read any of that background you could see that. Obam is confused with being a muslim. I dispute that strongly. I think it's more in line with Black Muslim. Two totally different groups of people. Either way I would not expect him to admit it.
So, he comes with not much experiance, no real religion and no real loyality. He is a yes boy. He has been being groomed for this for a long time. You just want to follow the bamtrain, and that is fine, I am haapy for you and your dreams. All politicians lie. All politicians line their pockets. I just don't want to inject doubt about country loyality in an already doubtful arena.
That's my point of view. You are entitled to yours also. But, I'm sure nothing written on these pages are going to change anyones view. It' does not have to. It's just a place to express ourselves.  | |
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| Barack Obama And Bill Ayers of Weather Undergorund
Posted: 4/17/2008 10:50:14 PM |
When H. Clinton brought this up at the debate... Obama countered with the fact that her hubby (he phrased it... the Clinton admin. I believe) pardoned 2 of stated participants/leaders. Tit for tat.
I know a lot of people said he came off weak during this, but you know, I didn't see it.
He took everything that came his way, which is par for the course. I loved it when he did indeed make the comment about when president Clinton made those pardons. Rocked my socks.
What did piss me off during all of it was her rolling her eyes and snickering through it, then saying what a good man she thought Barack is, then in the very same breath tries to belittle him or bring something up that would try and make him look bad.
I also didn't like how a caller called her on her lying and her smiling her whole way through saying because she's spoke so much through the last 15 months she makes mistakes in some of the things she's told rather than saying 'yes, I lied. I'm sorry and I'm embarassed' Instead she stood there looking smug and said she made a mistake, even based on a book she wrote! on an account she should know well having written it just for that, as well as recounting it time and again, and said she was sorry, she was embarassed.
She told it trying to make herself look heroic, like she put herself in harm's way and she was this great brave lady. What load of crap. How can you give one version knowing full well it wasn't even close to being as she described, but completely different, but said she made a mistake?! It was a bold face lie. Pennsylvania citizens are right in saying she is a liar and can't be trusted.
As for the Ayers comment, I state what Barack has said... does anyone here answer for people that might merely be an acquaintance or someone you know because of their thoughts or beliefs, especially if they aren't yours? Because you might work with someone who is racist, someone who might have a record, someone who voices dissent, but is not someone you see every day, does that make you responsible for them, for their actions? I don't think so. We're not everyone's keeper, even though we may know them or know of them.
We need to stop beating a dead horse.
Since this whole campaign has begun I've seen such an ugly side to people. It has brought a lot of nastiness, ignorance, and fear shining right to the forefront.
Politics is good for doing just that.
But, it's also great for bringing a country together to try and work together and hope for a better future. If you don't have hope, you don't have much. | |
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| Barack Obama And Bill Ayers of Weather Undergorund
Posted: 4/17/2008 11:00:56 PM | This issue of who a person knows and does not know is really a wag the tail issue, if knowing a person who committed a felony then i would dare say, that Bush would not be in office. Because if i am correct one of his bothers was involved in the S and L scandle of the 80s and John McCain was involved also. So i ask you is John McCain disqualified.
Also because a person knows someone who ran afoul of the law does not mean you yourself is a bad person or even influences your judgement. I have a brother who is in prison for bank robbery now because he is my brother does it make me a bad person. We all know some one or has some one from our past who may have some skeletons in our closet.
I have one more question, did this man serve his time in prison? Also for all those so called christain what ever happen to forgiveness? | |
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| Barack Obama And Bill Ayers of Weather Undergorund
Posted: 4/17/2008 11:22:49 PM |
It seems to me I have heard once or twice you are judged by the company you keep. I guess people have gotton away from that too. 
And we've all heard ignorance is bliss, too, haven't we. | |
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| Barack Obama And Bill Ayers of Weather Undergorund
Posted: 4/17/2008 11:28:35 PM | I believe in forgivness. You can't choose who your family is. I agree no felon should be allowed to be president. They can't vote or carry guns why should they be allowed to be president? I can forgive the sinner, as I am one. I am more interested in how a person determines with whom their vote will go. Do you print out the voting record of the candidates and do a line by line comparison or do you follow the croud?
As long as you vote I'm happy. That's democracy. The majority rule. I don't have a problem with that. I am trying to get people to look at the records as well as potential cautions. Frankly none are fit. But I will go with the list of check marks I have made according to the way they have voted, not the way they say they will vote.
I also think the "party" lines should be abolished. What if I don't want democrat or republican. If you choose Independant, it limits your voting opportunities. That is not fair. I want to vote for whomever I choose. That is whomever has voted "more" in the views I hold. If you are a republican you can not choose a democrat in local voting and visa versa. If you are Independant you can not vote in the primary election. How is that fair to a voter that wants to choose the best choice for her/him and not for a "party" that tells you who you have to vote for? A person should have total freedom to vote who they wish to vote for with no if, and, or buts about it. You think thats freedom. Or is it just another way for someone to tell you what to do? | |
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| Barack Obama And Bill Ayers of Weather Undergorund
Posted: 4/18/2008 12:02:00 AM |
If you are a republican you can not choose a democrat in local voting and visa versa. If you are Independant you can not vote in the primary election.
Those rules differ from place to place and between the parties... I'm an independent and was able to switch to Democrat the day of the caucus to vote for Obama... but if I'd wanted to vote for McCain I would have had to have done it weeks earlier...
I agree that it's wonky... but it's the party's choice how they want to run things in the primary... political party's are artificial constructs outside of the 'official' election system... they can do pretty much what they want to choose a candidate.
Some of the 'founding fathers' were pretty passionate about wanting to avoid having political parties... but given human nature I think they were inevitable. | |
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| Barack Obama And Bill Ayers of Weather Undergorund
Posted: 4/18/2008 12:34:02 AM | Yeah, I'm Independant and here it's a longer wait. I just want it to not be a matter of having to switch so I can vote the way I want, with all the shuffling.
but given human nature I think they were inevitable. You are absolutely right. Everyone is more likely to follow the crowd. Have a good night or a good day as mine are a visa versa from the norm. | |
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