| So how exactly does this EU thing work
Posted: 4/20/2008 5:33:09 AM | So I ran across this http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article3779828.ece
And was a bit like - wow. I have to show a bit of my ignorance now, I don't understand exactly how the EU works regarding health and safety in the UK. I thought the EU was economic? So how is it that Brussels sets standards in Scotland? Is it basically a federal system like in the US?
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| So how exactly does this EU thing work
Posted: 4/20/2008 5:39:58 AM | Well it works like this,the french,germans who hate the english dictate through the unelect no-marks of europe wat we can an cant do, but give us the privilege of making uk pay the most into the EEC whilst telling us we have to have all there cast off immgrants because the french ,germans dont want them but send them here.
iam surprised they havent made us change our driving to the opposite side of the road.
the sooner we get out an govern ourselfs the better.i would rather spend millions on the border police an equipment catching an sending the asylum seekers an other scounging immigrants back home. | |
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| So how exactly does this EU thing work
Posted: 4/20/2008 5:45:07 AM | the european union makes laws/decisions to cover all aspects of life from economic, working regulations, health & safety, trade, human rights and many more.
you could view it as a federal system but it is a lot more complex than that and not quite as joined as most countries still retain most key powers within their own government.
Every country has members in the european parliment and they can vote for or vito treaties or laws that are proposed.... most things are done to try and have a standard across all countries to make trade/travel etc... easier also that all member countries treat there inhabitents to the same rights.
That is my basic understanding of it anyway. | |
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| So how exactly does this EU thing work
Posted: 4/20/2008 5:59:22 AM | The EU is ffull of unelected uncivil servants who dictate how we can live.The "elected politicians" that we "elect" to run the EU is a confidence trick.
The EU is not the European Economic Community that the traitorous b@stard Edward Heath told my parents generation they were voting for.It is a VAST political machine that wants to run ALL the countries in europe by thier rules.
The EU is a vastly expensive,undemocratic and unanswerable confidence trick.
B-Dancer it IS a beaurocratic monster.The accounts have not been signd off for years as the accountants cannot account for missing money.There is rife corruption across the EU itself and certain member countries,such as France in the british beef debacle,openly flout EU rules and are not punished for it. And the ONLY reason that Ireland is the economic powerhouse that it is now is that multi billions of pounds were poured into it via EU grants.
And the Brits? Ahh we live in the 4th richest country in the world with the THIRD highest taxes in the world. We,as a nation,wear a big hat with the word MUG write large upon it.
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| So how exactly does this EU thing work
Posted: 4/20/2008 6:01:16 AM | It works like this.......
We get bullied into stopping producing our own stuff the way we like it so that we have to pay highly inflated prices to import from eu countries....
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| So how exactly does this EU thing work
Posted: 4/20/2008 6:04:53 AM |
Every country has members in the european parliment and they can vote for or vito treaties or laws that are proposed.... most things are done to try and have a standard across all countries to make trade/travel etc... easier also that all member countries treat there inhabitents to the same rights.
Are the members in European parliment elected directly or appointed? I should probably just go google this or check out wikipedia eh? I've known about the EU but wasn't quite sure of the dynamics of governance and how that intersected with each country's own political process. Sounds a bit of a bureaucratic monster. | |
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| So how exactly does this EU thing work
Posted: 4/20/2008 6:26:23 AM | Unfortunately they are elected by the governing party in that country and not by the public directly and even then it can be seen as "jobs for the boys" if you know what I mean.
It is a bit of a monster but I also think people read the daily mail too much and only focus on the bad things to come out of the EU.
Plus some have an island mentality and think that as long as we look after ourselves then screw everyone else, trouble is if we did this we wouls soon be left out in the cold by the rest of europe and the world....
remember you have to be in it to win it, and the best way to change/influence decision making is to be a part of it. | |
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| So how exactly does this EU thing work
Posted: 4/20/2008 6:35:25 AM | As I intend to become an MEP i think you lot have strange notion of the benefits the EU brings. If elected not only will I get a massive salary, travel expenses, living exspenses but I will also get a pension for the rest of life, with benefits comes to approx 30,000 pounds a year.
the EU has so much to offer, plus I can hire my own staff, any blond 21 year olds out there want a highly paid job then you know how to get in touch.
The EU is just benefits, bonuses and more benefits and you people should be grateful that we are in the EU. | |
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| So how exactly does this EU thing work
Posted: 4/20/2008 7:39:20 AM |
remember you have to be in it to win it, and the best way to change/influence decision making is to be a part of it.
Having visited Norway and Switzerland it is patently obvious that their inevitable decline into Third World status by non-participation in the European Union is not exactly proceeding at any great pace...... | |
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| So how exactly does this EU thing work
Posted: 4/20/2008 7:52:16 AM | ha ha ha
Switzerland the great fence sitters of the world
I was simply making the point to some of the above that if you don't like the EU and what it does then it is better to be part of it and change it for the better, which they could do. | |
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| So how exactly does this EU thing work
Posted: 4/20/2008 8:15:53 AM | I was simply making the point to some of the above that if you don't like the EU and what it does then it is better to be part of it and change it for the better, which they could do
Fair point. But there do seem to be some pro-EU enthusiasts who predict almost apocalyptic consequences if we were to withdraw from the organisation and I was merely offering the examples that give lie to that particular scenario.....
I fear that making the European Union a truly useful institution is akin to constructing an interplanetary rocket out of blancmange and fuzzy felt - no matter how much diligent effort you put into the project, it is, in principle, a totally unworkable idea...... | |
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| So how exactly does this EU thing work
Posted: 4/20/2008 8:21:34 AM | basically I can only tell you what I know about the EU from what I've seen happen in my job as a Truck driver
1) EU decides what will cause the British most problems
2) we get told what we have to do
3) almost all the other Countries flout the rules
4) EU stands behind the UK bends us over and we get shafted, Oh and we have to pay for the privilege.
5) Eu stands back and laughs at us silly British for obeying the laws.
Just wish we got a better deal out of been members of the EU. But until we stand up as a country like the French for instance, If there is something they don't agree with they cause as much trouble as possible until they get their way. You don't see them paying crazy prices for their fuel etc. They must be doing something right! | |
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| So how exactly does this EU thing work
Posted: 4/20/2008 12:45:27 PM |
Basically, 27 commissioners, one of whom is the president, rule Europe.
If thats the case, then why is firearms law broadly similar across Europe and them markedly different in UK ?
I would have thought that if these 27 REALLY ruled Europe they would not allow UK to have different laws. | |
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| So how exactly does this EU thing work
Posted: 4/20/2008 1:15:02 PM |
Maastricht Treaty of 1992. That created the European Union, and governs all new laws.
So, are you saying that UK is not allowed to pass any laws that are different to the laws prevailing in EU countries as of 1992 ?
Are there any laws that the UK proposed but were not allowed to enact due to EU vetoing them ? | |
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