| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 4/21/2008 2:39:54 AM | When you read someone's profile, do you instantly dismiss them because of spelling/grammatical errors?
Does it make you think less of them?
Does "being educated" mean you're a better person?
If someone had a great pic, cool interests, but didn't use punctuation or spellcheck, would you still contact them?
I ask this because today I cringed when I read a profile where the guy spelt the name of his town wrong. The place where he lives. And then I thought "god, how shallow of me, maybe he can't touchtype or maybe he has dyslexia or something" and it got me thinking of how important first impressions are, and whether the fact that on PoF we make our first impressions based not only on a photo, but also on a person's written communication. | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 4/21/2008 2:50:30 AM | | It dosent bother me at all . Theres often a good reason why someone is not educated, parents couldnt be bothered sending their child to school, child was very shy and didnt pay attention , it does not make them less of an equal, and I hate it when on the forums and some better to do person says do a spell check, what right do they have makes my blood boil. | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 4/21/2008 2:59:03 AM | | Yep I have to say it would raise some questions about the member when they mispell something like their own town's name. But surely everyone doesn't spend the same amount of time proof reading themselves and I have to admit I've found the odd mistake in my own, even though I have a spell checker and use it a lot. On the other end of the scale, I would have to admit those that throw around $64 words like they grow on trees are probably just as big a turn off. I can understand big hitters in a forum because it's just a great place to be a pretentious wanker. Not to degrade this forum, because it's better than most and bad spelling isn't anymore ridiculed here than it is on a toilet wall. It's a good thing that people with poor literacy skills don't usually type up their own resumes, or they would never get a job. | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 4/21/2008 3:03:07 AM | Yeah, that's what struck me - I can understand spelling mistakes etc but the place where you live?? Hmm.. But still, I feel like a **** for judging him   | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 4/21/2008 3:04:20 AM | what i can't work out is that dyslexia is spelt in a educated fashion, why not let someone that can only spell using phonics come up with the spelling. if i was to spell it the word would be spelt dislecic. now i know im going to get bashed by the spelling natzis out there. | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 4/21/2008 3:12:25 AM |
why not let someone that can only spell using phonics come up with the spelling. if i was to spell it the word would be spelt dislecic.
Good point! | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 4/21/2008 3:24:35 AM | Literacy although nice, runs a poor second to emotional maturity in my eyes, I honestly do wish i was more scholastically capable but alas it was not to be. | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 4/21/2008 3:25:42 AM | | Depends on the severity and attitude. Some people are just not that bright or well educated. I am not here to be judgemental. Some people though are just lazy or unconcerned. Not even remotely interested in someone like that. | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 4/21/2008 3:36:00 AM | I must admit bad spelling used to bother me...but I can't really tell you why it did, but it did...I guess I thought that in this day and age and with access to so many mediums that all would be articulate at English (especially with spell checkers everywhere)..however I got over it, cause at the end of the day its not that important a issue as long as you get your point across. It doesnt bother me if a person misspells on their profile or the forums, I appreciate that not everyone is literate, educated , English may not their first language or may be dyslexic......and alot of people can't touch type either...and in my case, it could be a mistype due to long nails...as long as you can get across what's important to you...hey thats excellent.
As long as they can type.... I luv u, I mean I love you and mean it...what does it matter ?. | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 4/21/2008 3:40:20 AM | | I find bad spelling and grammar a big turn off. I don't like it when I can't understand what someone else is saying or writing. I don't aim to nitpick every spelling or grammatical error (as I make some myself) but a person should be able to express themselves in a way you can understand, even at a basic level. | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 4/21/2008 3:46:00 AM | i sometimes get text messages from younger family members and i can not for the life of me make out what it is they are trying to say.
as to someones input futher up for some people it is not a mater of being bright it is a matter of unnderstanding and being able to comprehend. when i was completing my apprentiship i would struggle on some modules yet the job its self i had no problem completing. i would get singed off on the account i could carry out the required task but would have trouble understanding the american english that the modules were writen in. | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 4/21/2008 4:07:04 AM | If the message that's trying to be conveyed can be done so sufficiently that it is understandable, then spelling/grammar issues are usually a non-issue really.
Bt lzines iz dffrnt matta al2gthr  ....translation: But laziness is a different matter altogether. If people don't have the self-decency to at least 'not' be lazy enough to make what they're saying comprehendible, then I usually don't bother or just laugh at what they've done. So no sense in wasting someone's time if they're so busy that they can't put the smallest amount of effort into what they're doing.
esrow hcum eb dluoc ti sseug I tub . | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 4/21/2008 4:45:16 AM | Mayb I am ! lol
I guess for me it depends on the situation and reason for writing. At work it bothers me severely - the kids school making errors upsets me as they expect better from the students.
In forums I notice but do not bother I realax here and use shortened or texting 'words'. As for a profile yes it does turn me off a little. I dont like to feel that I have to compete with a partner for whit and brains but ten again I have dated a guy who was not very intelligent and got so bored having to explain basic concepts to him - I even knew more about cars. I couldnt have an adult conversation with him it was a turn off to feel like I was with a child.
I really realllly want a man with a nice voice to read to me....................... or sing even.............................. ad a wicked dream bout an educated guy with wonderful voice :) | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 4/21/2008 7:10:20 AM | I don't care if someone is "educated". I adore people who are self-educated or well read much more than someone with a degree!!!
It's neither here nor there. However........................ I do love someone who can spell , is well spoken/written, makes me think & challenges my mind............................swoon.............. | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 4/21/2008 8:57:16 AM | "I never let my education get in the way of my learning" - Mark Twain
I am relatively fussy. I do notice spelling, grammar, etc. But the only thing I'd really judge harshly is incredibly bad spelling or excessive use of "text talk" in a profile, etc. I've noticed that people who "speak" like that rarely have much to say. It's not like they use that kind of writing to discuss their plans for the future and the effect that the shifting dollar value has on the economy.
No, almost to a person it's "i luv 2 listan 2 gr8 music and dance wiv my m8s".
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 4/21/2008 5:26:26 PM | Some here believe when it comes to grammer, spelling, they assume the ones anti bad spelling/grammer are educated and those who spell bad are not.
A degree is a peice of paper, it signifies or acknowledes effort, interllect, commitment, aptitude and an definate ability or two, the degree itself should be respected. Not always the recipient I guess.
A degree doesnt signify kindness, social skills, and a happy heart.
I mentioned in the disablilty thread one of the most inspiring people i know a Miss M , she is intuitive, funny, all embracing and non judgemental. She has Downs Syndrome woman of 28.
I know one of my kids his dyslexia - visual accurity dysfunction and depth perception issues, we spent alot of money with the behavioural opthamologist.
She writes on a slope from small to large and finds reading very verydiffercult. She studies very hard, is often exhausted because the extra effort required.
Does this make her not worthy of the respect that she deserves as she choses to write simple statements, and mispells many things. Predjuse is a nasty thing.
One would hope not. But if a university degree, or the ability to get a drivers license, or the ability to spell and use grammer, makes anyone superior, or implies they are interllectually less then well, it probably says more about them than the other person.
One would hope not everyone posts the same gramatically correct way or spell. I love to see the personalities popping out at you.
xmmm
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 4/21/2008 5:27:23 PM | Sometimes I would have to say 'yes' I am guilty of assessing others by their grammar, spelling and syntax etc etc .
And other times I know it's important to allow others to speak 'their' words..., everyone has a story and an equell right to be heard, It's just that some have better skills. We all know that .., nothing new there.
But..., I think as part of 'our' human condition we DO judge..., we cant escape that.
But the leveler is that mostly..., for me at least..., I try to grasp the meaning, gist or 'sub-text of what people are trying to say.
With 'nods of agreement to the previous three posters ..., and others above them. I agree with much you have said.
In moments I do admire and take note of more 'literate' people (and I wish I could type faster)..., and I suppose I am aspirational in that regard....., but..., the down side of being a literacy snob, is I may be seen as 'egocentric', critical and taking way too much of the micheal out of others...., via superior word power/play and advanced sarcasm.
I have never been too successful at the second....., or the first on reflection.
PoF is a reflection of the world outside in that...., there are all sorts here...., and usually/hopefully in the forums it is sort of self leveling and eventually everyone is heard..., if they stand up for themselves !
I do love it when It works like that...., there is a place for everyone...., and everyones words.
Everyone has their story and the equel right to have their story and feelings both spoken and expressed.
Some people have high skill levels "in here" while others have high skill levels "out there"in the real world.
So the simple moral is "a fair go for all mate(s)". | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 4/21/2008 5:33:10 PM | Yes sandy well said.
Some people have high skill levels "in here" while others have high skill levels "out there"in the real world
how true for some people the written word is a area of comfort a way the easily express their knowledge, thoughts and feelings . For others they are comfortable in a verbal touchy feely world.
Really well said /
xmmm
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 4/21/2008 6:04:56 PM |
I do admire and take note of more 'literate' people...//....and I suppose I am aspirational in that regard...
Mr.Freckle! ^^^ Whatever it is you think you lack, you've certainly got self-deprecation down to a fine art!
It's important to distinguish IMHO between the way something is expressed and the content.
In other words, whatever the book is saying is more important than the cover.
That said though, I do wish some people would make more effort...
God! I've seen some that's practically baby talk! 'diddum widdums' and 'sweetie cheatie' sort of stuff!
What's with that?
A bit more effort wouldn't go astray for some I reckon.
But anyway, I liked your 'moral' too. But can't help but notice, online and in the Real World,
that 'fairness' is an ideal many think applies only to them. | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 4/21/2008 6:09:43 PM | Mr. cheat, thank you for introducing me to the truth...., also what does the acroym IMHO mean ? 
I have to go out into the real world and wwwwork.
Sh#t sorry ..., now I remember what IMHO means. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2008 6:09:54 PM | Yep cudn't agree more.
Didduns widdums n sweetie cheatie r childish.
i wunder y people use such words?????? | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 4/21/2008 6:19:23 PM |
...what does the acronym IMHO mean ?
'In My Humble Opinion'
'IMO' is the same, bit without being humble about it! hahaha
Didduns widdums n sweetie cheatie r childish. i wunder y people use such words?????
Yeah it's baffling! I didn't like to say 'childish' but that's what it is alright.
As for why? Well, I can't think of any reasons.
Can you baronoz? | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 4/21/2008 7:25:39 PM | why do people get Dyslexia, and Autism muddled up... they are 2 totaly different handicaps. To do with the Brain, and the mind.
There are some good examples of people who have Dyslexia in the media. It has`nt held them back at all.
Cher, Sylvester Stallone , and Kerry Packer, to name a few that are more famous. It just means that on the part of the first two, they learnt their lines by having someone in the wings repeating the words they needed to put to voice.
People with Dyslexia tend to be able to better read, arabic, chinese and other languages they are written backwards or like in mirrors, and I have found they are also better at remembering history better than us normal people. They also make better workers at Telstra, for example, as they don`t have the trouble with coloured wires others have. Of course, these are only a few examples.
My mother was a teacher of people with both complaints. she found it easier to have people with Dyslexia, do their exams, orally. Some of the ages she taught werechildren from ages 8 toadults of 65 in both sexes. She even wrote a paper on Autism for the Speld group who are the people to see if you suspect anyone suffers from it. they have very good tutoring programs.
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Posted: 4/21/2008 7:39:17 PM | Hi damsel post 16.
i hope you dont think i have confused the two! but i do agree with how some people confuse what they see as being one thing and labelling it another.
I have a daughter with dyslexia and 2 nephews with autism ( of its varying degrees)
both have sub genres,
Dyslexia.. well visual accruity syndrome is differemt to visual dyspraxia different to depth perception issues.
same with austism there are levels 8 i think for asperges sydrome and develepmantal dyspraxia has differnt levels too. i dont know too much about them as im not a peadeotrician. | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 4/21/2008 8:36:49 PM |
Are you a literacy snob?
I are not.
At the same time i do use peoples format of verbal and written expression to shape an opinion of them.
I will in most cases have an opinion of their looks, their age, their history, their tastes, their body, their clothes, their tattoos, their piercings, their origin and culture, their homour, their witt, their opinions, their beliefs - everything.
I need to have an opinion before i make a decision.
I do not need to judge, however, to make a decision (!)
Funny thing is, i use frequently 'creative' grammar and spelling - english is my second/third language only and i grew up in a different culture - i was nevertheless accused here of using a spell checker, and the term 'Kobaltpedia' has been constructed in one of the threads.
I take it as a compliment, but a language is there to serve us - not the other way around.
As long as it works within its original purpose - to COMMUNICATE - anything is fair game.  | |
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