| Is Obama a whiz kid?
Posted: 4/24/2008 1:27:51 PM | Barack Obama is the least experienced of all the candidates. He does not have the experience and skill to be able to handle all the problems that the United States is facing right now. How can he say that he will be able to accomplish all his promises, when he has never done any of those things in the past?
In the private sector, that would be a delusional fantasy. No one in the their right mind would hire the least experienced candidate. What makes Obama think that he is better than candidates that have decades of experience. In the real world a person with very little experience would not get hired, when there are many other candidates for the same job with much more experience and proven skill. Obama is an unproven long shot, which is too risky to take when the country is in turmoil and at war.
The only person that I can remember getting a high profile job with no experience was Dan Webb. In the early 70's, when Webb was just a kid, right out of Loyola University Chicago School of Law, he applied for and got the job of Assistant U.S. Attorney, U.S. Department of Justice, Chief of Special Prosecutions Division, U.S. Attorney's Office (1970-1976). Later he became U.S. Attorney, Northern District of Illinois (1981-1985). Back in those days, Dan Webb was known as a whiz kid. Is Obama a whiz kid? Even if he were, he is still an unproven long shot, at a time when the stakes are very high. | |
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| Is Obama a whiz kid?
Posted: 4/24/2008 1:37:43 PM | | like that movie with fred savage, where they go to vegas and play Super Mario 3? | |
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| Is Obama a whiz kid?
Posted: 4/24/2008 1:50:19 PM | What did Abe Lincoln do before he was elected? Our current whiz kid surrounded himself with some of the most experienced people to ever serve in government and look where it's gotten us. Swirling down the toilet.
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| Is Obama a whiz kid?
Posted: 4/24/2008 2:01:30 PM |
What did Abe Lincoln do before he was elected? Our current whiz kid surrounded himself with some of the most experienced people to ever serve in government and look where it's gotten us. Swirling down the toilet.
WORD.
All of the people with their fists up Bush's butt had decades of experience but lacked soul, common sense and totally screwed up judgment and, as the poster said, look where it got us. We need someone in office desparately who isn't in the pocket of monied interests. We need someone who's supported by the masses (Obama) and not the ones supported by Merck and Phizer. That's how this country got so incredibly screwed up in seven years. You want four more of the same crap? Go ahead. Vote for McCain or Hillary. But I don't know how you can sleep at night knowing full well McCain will involve us in yet another war with Iran and, as far as Hillary is concerned, I'm beginning to think she's a patholgical liar.
Now she's saying, that, so far, in all the primaries, she has the most popular votes. I think that sniping incident in Bosnia (that never happened) left her shell shocked. Experience means NOTHING if it's not accompanied by good judgment.
Consider Hillary signed on to this "war" in Iraq without ever reading the entire NIE that supposedly led up to the war.
Consider Hillary signed on to the Patriot act which basically decimated our Constitution (you remember the Constitution don't you? The one Bush characterized as "nothing but a goddamned piece of paper"). Is that your choice to answer that phone at 3:00 a.m.? If that phone rang she'd probably nudge Bill with "hon, it's for you". | |
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| Is Obama a whiz kid?
Posted: 4/24/2008 2:27:05 PM | Ya, noblelord, I wanted you to know I voted to delete this thread.
Anyway, whether you cast 2,000 votes or 2,000,000 votes in the Senate, I dont think one is more of a long shot than another.
You want to twist the "inexperience" knife in Obama's back but look at history, half the Presidents had NO experience in government at ALL. Obama has a long and clear voting record, he has made clear where he stands on issues at his website and set forth what many of his administration's policies will be ..........you just havent bothered to look.
McCain is another 4 years of Bush, if you like the fruits of the Bush regime then I am sure you will love the old "war hero".
Hey, give the old guffer the Presidency, he "deserves" it, eh? What with what he went through "over there" and all, eh, governor? What, what? | |
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| Is Obama a whiz kid?
Posted: 4/24/2008 2:40:11 PM | That is the funniest thing I've heard all day.
<div class='quote'>How can he say that he will be able to accomplish all his promises, when he has never done any of those things in the past?
You must be new to politics, OP.
At this level of government, campaign promises have zero influence on what actually happens after election.
No governance experience is required. The only thing one needs to become president is the approval of the corporations that front you the hundred million or so it takes to run a successful campaign. Unless of course, the candidate wants to put up 9 digits of their own cash. I ain't holding my breath.
After that, you only have three jobs for the next four years.
A) Do what the lobbyists of said corporations ask of you. (You didn't think that campaign $ came strings-free, did you?)
B) Campaign for re-election.
C) Line your pockets via profiteering and/or kickbacks. | |
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| Is Obama a whiz kid?
Posted: 4/24/2008 2:48:48 PM | He does not have the experience and skill to be able to handle all the problems that the United States is facing right now. How can he say that he will be able to accomplish all his promises, when he has never done any of those things in the past?
Herein is the biggest of the problems with Obama. He is a rookie. And this isn't the time for that. OJT for a few years, while he gets up to speed, isn't a luxury we have before us at this point. He has no earthly idea how to run a country like this. Consider yourself walking into that position cold, and trying to get it under control immediately, never having been a part of it! He's barely out of the IL state legislature, a whole different world from this. Maybe he is a fast learner? But any/all baggage aside, he isn't Superman!
Running the major super-power on the globe is no piece of cake that just anyone can do effectively. Nor does he have much idea how the Fed even works at this point. And it's very complex. While it's conceivable he could work through it somehow, IF he has all the right people, and IF circumstances were ideal, I don't see that kind of "stuff" in him, at least not yet. The current circumstances are anything but ideal.
And right now we can't afford to elect someone merely as a racially historic milestone. Conceptually, that's all good stuff, but we are in deep doodoo right now. The best of the best would have major challenges just getting us back to a reasonable place, and just to survive.
Same goes for Clinton. It's no time to elect somebody merely as the first woman president either. But when we put all that aside, and compare their actual qualifications and experience, and their current ability to know for sure they actually can do the job, they are miles apart.
Give this guy some time, and see where he can go in subsequent election cycles, when times are better and he has had the chance to grow. He's not going away, despite what his Mrs says. Right now we need very solid, experienced, dedicated leadership. The White House, and all that goes with it, is not foreign to Clinton. It is, to Obama.
Is he a true SuperHero? Well, who can say? But are we absolutely sure about that? And right now? When times are THIS bad? I am not ready to gamble on just a lot of rhetoric. Anyone can say anything! Doesn't mean it will actually develop, as we've seen so many times before including the current administration. Words and actions are very different things.
-Suth'nBoy
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| Is Obama a whiz kid?
Posted: 4/24/2008 3:17:34 PM | They're mile apart alright, in judgement. So what did Abe Lincoln do before he was elected? He got the nod because people decided he possessed good judgement even though he'd only been a state legislator in Illinois and he became possibly our finest president. So all this blather about experience is simply a talking point from Clinton and McCain people.
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| Is Obama a whiz kid?
Posted: 4/24/2008 3:31:24 PM | They're mile apart alright, in judgement.
I agree. That's been demonstrated quite a few times. That's largely what I was talking about. But that's not to say, with time, it will always be that way.
As for Abe Lincoln, at the time, he was a very unpopular president. We glorify his memory in current times, and have for generations. But the archives don't treat him nearly as gently..
-Suth'nBoy
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| Is Obama a whiz kid?
Posted: 4/24/2008 4:00:48 PM | ^^^ Is it safe to say you think Clinton has the better judgement? If so, I wholeheartedly disagree. The best political decision of her life was marrying a promising Rhodes scholar.
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| Is Obama a whiz kid?
Posted: 4/24/2008 4:10:10 PM | Well, we know one thing about McCain: four more years of GW Bush and disasterous Republican policy.
It's obvious that he has NO plans, NO platforms, NO policies to put forward........just the old "war hero" routine and staying the course in Iraq, maybe even "bomb, bomb Iran".
It's real simple: if you want four more years of Bush.........and we KNOW this guy isnt good for eight years .....vote for McCain. If you like the way things are, go ahead and vote for the man.
If you dont, vote for one of the other two. | |
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| Is Obama a whiz kid?
Posted: 4/24/2008 5:06:48 PM | | It's getting pretty old, this 'on the job training', and 'he's too green'. You cannot say that there has been one president in the history of presidents that can walk in there and do that job without a learning curve. It's impossible. And frankly, what I like about Obama is that he is not just like the rest of them. I like his fresh approach. | |
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| Is Obama a whiz kid?
Posted: 4/24/2008 8:56:27 PM | | I'm not at all interested in Obama but kids are usually a lot smarter than old people who want to bomb the planet. Oh wait I think he does too doesn't he ? | |
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