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Posted: 4/24/2008 4:10:36 PM | So as not to off track some one elses thread I am creating this one to put my response to some one else to into it. Also any researtch will be moreorganized and condensed for others to read. It's apalling how common this is in infants, leading to weak bones and rickets. List of med journal articles at the end of this informative link:
http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;111/4/908
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Well it was from a different thread you were recommending it so this is what I bought:
http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=4192&at=0
I'm naturally a deal's shopper so I find cheaper prices than even online.  Plus no shipping or handling fees. But I guess the next bottle I buy should have the vit D added. I was hoping I was getting it in cheeses or other products -- admittedly as I've gotten older I do not get outside to play in the sun as much as I used to. I also thought since it was added to all milk that all cheese and yogurt have it -- not all do. I gave up milk but erroneously thought I was safe as I ate enough yogurt and cheese (and dark leafy greens) to keep up my calcium levels in my diet.
Sounds HQ, just need the D for the next bottle:
Description
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Purity, Freshness, 3rd Party Tested
Great Orange Taste!
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Meets our daily needs for DHA and EPA
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Pure and Great Tasting Omega Oils
Nordic Naturals has raised the bar on purity and freshness with our "Gold Standard" Arctic Cod Liver Oil. Nordic Naturals oversees production from sea to finished product—assuring 100% Arctic cod is delivered, within hours of being caught, to our plant for molecular processing in a nitrogen environment. The result—the purest and the best tasting fish oil, with the highest level of Omega-3 fatty acids per teaspoon of any cod liver oil, with only naturally occurring vitamins A and D. Enjoy the taste of "Pure Health".
All Nordic Naturals fish oils surpass all pharmaceutical standards for freshness and purity. Every batch is third-party tested, showing undetected levels of heavy metals, dioxins, and PCBs.
If you have been spooked by the medical babble (people love to be afraid), when you know you're going to be in the sun, make a blender drink 1 or 2 days before with a couple cups of broccoli head, some tomato paste (lycopene), and other vegs, seasoning to suit. The broccoli provides chemicals than prevent skin damage from too much sun (and it's amazingly good for lots of other stuff). Broccoli is a "super food".
Not me in the least -- I have a lot of scientific background so I know it is all just a limited tool and in a constant state of evolution. Sun is good for many things. amongst them with some lemon juice a stain left in the sun will wash out.
If not enough sun (wrong weather), then supplement. Quit being afraid of the sun, ignore the scare-mongering. The sun is Good for Ya. Humans have lived under the sun for a couple 100,000 years, now it's Bad for Ya? GMAFB One guy estimated that Vit D deficiency world-wide is causing more non-skin cancer, yes cancer, from sun avoicance than it is preventing cases of melanoma. Vit D deficiency is big item with medical people in the last couple years.
Which is why those who use sunblock, which I rarely use, have higher incidents of cancer -- their bodies are making less Vit D.
So should I be buying Vit D or D3? Nevermind, I see the type in my calcium citrate plus from walgreens contains calciferol which is D3. Somehow I haven' t taken them for a year now. I think they made me tired. Or maybe nauseated.
This one should get a person back into the norms fairly quickly and safely:
http://www.iherb.com/productdetails.aspx?c=1&pid=7050&utm_source=nt&utm_medium=c
250% vit D in 1 teaspoon
Specifically Ultraviolet B rays.... how does one safely do this? (like during the winter)
Some great reading here which makes it slightly less complex than it is:
http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/vitaminDPharmacology.shtml
Found this, too...
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminD/
The oral anti-fungal medication, ketoconazole, inhibits the 25(OH)D3-1-hydroxylase enzyme and has been found to reduce serum levels of 1,25(OH)D in healthy men.
I was on that med for toe fungus so my doctor could have ultimately caused that Vitamin D deficiency! Bad doctor, bad!  | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 4:50:12 PM | Broken Bones Blamed on Osteoporosis When Vitamin D Deficiency Is the Culprit
"(NaturalNews) You are female, over 50, post-menopausal and you keep breaking bones. In fact, you need a hip or knee replacement. The diagnosis? Most likely, your problem will be blamed on osteoporosis.
But the real reason you have brittle bones could be a vitamin D deficiency.
In a recent review of women with osteoporosis hospitalized for hip fractures, 50 percent were found to have signs of vitamin D deficiency"
http://www.naturalnews.com/z023106.html
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Vit D and calcium are assisted by Boron and Chromium (chromium picolinate)
Magnesium seems to be another element that is emerging as widely deficient and implicated in several diseases. | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 6:07:03 PM | RDA for Vit D is WAY too low
http://www.naturalnews.com/z023109.html
All-body exposure to strong sun can produce up to 25000 IU in the skin. | |
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Posted: 4/26/2008 4:42:21 AM | Vit D is necessary for the body to absorb calcium. The lack of calcium is the cause of brittle bones and osteoporosis. I am a very active outdoor person, and walk 30 minutes a day to work, but I was recently diagnosed with low Vit D - and I was getting 600 IU / day in my multi-vitamin and calcium pills. The Dr said to take 2000 IU / day.
remember sun-screen can also block the vit D. | |
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Posted: 4/26/2008 12:06:07 PM | Maybe certain bodies go through more for some reason -- I'm gonna have to research exactly what it is for, but I kknow its a poprhormone.
http://www.walgreens.com/store/product.jsp?CATID=100153&navAction=jump&navCount=1&skuid=sku3927343&id=prod3928494
Nutritional Facts
Serving Size 2 caplets
Servings Per Container 75
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value*
Vitamin D (as Cholecalciferol) 62.0% %
Vitamin B-6 (as Pyridoxine Hydrochloride) 10.0 mg 500.0% %
Calcium (as Calcium Citrate) 500.0 mg 50.0% %
Magnesium (as Magnesium Oxide) 80.0 mg 20.0% %
Zinc (as Zinc Oxide) 10.0 mg 67.0% %
Copper (as Copper Gluconate) 1.0 mg 50.0% %
manganese (as manganese gluconate) 1.0 mg 50.0% %
Those are what I stopped taking when I thought I had my calcium levels supplemented well enough through real foods, but apparently there is not enough vit D to get my levels back up. Looks like 3 tablets a day would do it. I have always heard one should have half as much magnesium as calcium for the perfect balance. But it does come closer to a good balance... notice the boron and magnesium you were just mentioning? As an aside I have been eating 3 ounces of almonds a day for about half a year now for a natural FRESH source of vit E and magnesium so I know I am fine there - However even almond loving me is starting to get sick of them. Have you seen a better balanced product?
which is just a storebrand of Citracal Ultradense product -- this is water soluble calcium. far superior absorption to the usual ground up rock or seashells.
http://www.walgreens.com/store/product.jsp?CATID=100153&navAction=jump&navCount=0&skuid=sku319160&id=prod19160
The United States and Canadian governments recommend a daily vitamin D intake of 200 IU. But vitamin D and cancer experts warn that this value is far too low.
??? My bottle says 250IU is 62% of the RDA. That does not compute. But you know why they were cautious with it don't you? Vitamins ADEK are fat soluble, and can build up in the fatty tissues and become toxic.
I am a very active outdoor person, and walk 30 minutes a day to work, but I was recently diagnosed with low Vit D - and I was getting 600 IU / day in my multi-vitamin and calcium pills. The Dr said to take 2000 IU / day.
Perhaps you need a more absorbable type. Because obviously you were taking enough which I would think means one of either two things -- your body is not using what it gets or your body is using more than the average(fighting pre-cancerous cells before it develops full blown into cancer?) for some reason.
Cholecalciferol is the best. Vit D3. Once you get older digestion acids deplete about 10 percent per decade from age 20. This is a well studied fact. So perhaps what you need is more acid to dissolve your pills. This is why you often see pills in HCL form -- this works to aid digestion. It's hydrochloric acid. Fresh pineapple is superb as is apple cider vinegar -- 2 T at mealtime. You will see the difference -- gas from incomplete digestion will go away.
You might also be building up a tolerance to that particular vitamin. Time to try changing forms, perhaps? Maybe the cod liver oil with 250% of your vit D in one teaspoon that I posted the link to in my above message? Orange flavored wasnt bad... I hate the taste of fish and even I could tolerate it.
They sell the enzyme in pineapple in dried up pill form -- I say its better to eat the real food and have added a pineapple a week to my own diet. | |
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Posted: 4/26/2008 10:48:18 PM | Best source of vitamin D is sunlight not vitamins. Your next best source is cod liver oil, I wouldn't over do it though. Why would you buy vitamin D when you can go outside and get it? It is the only sure way to get enough vitamin D without overdosing on it.
If you have weak bones you should go on an alkaline diet. an acidic diet will rob calcium from your bones. | |
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Posted: 4/26/2008 11:42:44 PM |
Best source of vitamin D is sunlight not vitamins.
Yup, I posted that from my juicing book in the last thread. But the story is even larger than that -- it turns out it is converted to other things the body can use with UV B rays so having BOTH IS beneficial.
Optimum lightwave frequency is 297 nanometers. Perhaps this is why some seem to almost get addicted towards tanning beds? They know it is doing their body some good -- They just have not figured out exactly why or how.
Why would you buy vitamin D when you can go outside and get it?
Answer above. I already read all this and would have to regoogle, refind, recopy, and repost the quotes. Basically the sun converts the D3 into prohormones and other good things used within the body. Hell, I think even wikipedia has the basic info but there is much more in depth out there should you want to look for yourself.
Cheers!  | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 3:30:19 AM | Since June 18th, 1995, HRM has and continues to live only on sun energy and water. Occasionally, for hospitality and social purposes, he drinks tea, coffee and buttermilk. Until now, he had three strict fastings, during which he had just sun energy and only water and was under the control and observation of various science and medical teams.
The first of these fasting lasted for 211 days during 1995-96 in Calicut, India directed by Dr. C.K. Ramachandran, a medical expert on allopathy and ayurvedic medicine.
This was followed by a 411 day fast from 2000-2001 in Ahmedabad, India directed by an International team of 21 medical doctors and scientists led by Dr. Sudhir Shah (Dr. Shah's synopsis report) and Dr. K. K. Shah, the acting President of Indian Medical Association at that time. Dr. Maurie D. Pressman, MD also describes his experience with HRM in an article he wrote and later joined the team for the next observation on HRM.
I myself won't fast not for that long anyways but there is proof that sunlight can be food to the body. What is interesting is that if you get enough sun exposure through the eyes you can get less tendancy to over eat. More of a chance you'll lose weight. Of of the reasons so many of us get so sick is that he avoid sunlight and get too much exposure to artifical lights. | |
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Posted: 5/5/2008 4:32:01 PM | Strike up another one for Vit D:
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Public release date: 5-May-2008
Contact: Witte J. G. Hoogendijk, M.D., Ph.D.,
witteh@ggzba.nl
JAMA and Archives Journals
Low blood levels of vitamin D may be associated with depression in older adults
Older adults with low blood levels of vitamin D and high blood levels of a hormone secreted by the parathyroid glands may have a higher risk of depression, according to a report in the May issue of Archives of General Psychiatry, one of the JAMA/Archives journals.
About 13 percent of older individuals have symptoms of depression, and other researchers have speculated that vitamin D may be linked to depression and other psychiatric illnesses, according to background information in the article. “Underlying causes of vitamin D deficiency such as less sun exposure as a result of decreased outdoor activity, different housing or clothing habits and decreased vitamin intake may be secondary to depression, but depression may also be the consequence of poor vitamin D status,” the authors write. “Moreover, poor vitamin D status causes an increase in serum parathyroid hormone levels.” Overactive parathyroid glands are frequently accompanied by symptoms of depression that disappear after treatment of the condition.
Witte J. G. Hoogendijk, M.D., Ph.D., and colleagues at VU University Medical Center, Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam, the Netherlands, measured blood levels of vitamin D and parathyroid hormone and assessed symptoms of depression among 1,282 community residents age 65 to 95. Of those individuals, 26 had a diagnosis of major depressive disorder, 169 had minor depression and 1,087 were not depressed. The average blood vitamin D level was 21 nanograms per milliliter and the average parathyroid hormone level was 3.6 picograms per milliliter.
Blood vitamin D levels were 14 percent lower in individuals with major and minor depression (average, 19 nanograms per milliliter) compared with non-depressed participants (average, 22 nanograms per milliliter). In addition, parathyroid hormone thyroid levels were an average of 5 percent higher in those with minor depression (average, 3.72 picograms per milliliter) and 33 percent higher in those with major depressive disorder (average, 4.69 picograms per milliliter) than in those who were not depressed (average, 3.53 picograms per milliliter).
The findings may be important to patients because both low blood vitamin D levels and high parathyroid hormone levels can be treated with higher dietary intake of vitamin D or calcium and increased sunlight exposure. “Moreover, the clinical relevance of the present study is underscored by our finding that 38.8 percent of men and 56.9 percent of women in our community-based cohort had an insufficient vitamin D status,” they conclude. Additional studies are needed to determine whether changes in levels of vitamin D and parathyroid hormone precede depression or follow it.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-05/jaaj-lbl050108.php
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Vit D3 is not water soluble and is not highly bio-available orally. The better form is Vit D3 dissolved in oil in gel-caps, because more oil is digested differently from water-soluble stuffs. iHerb is a pretty good price.
http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=6108
6/day for $3.50/month.
Vit D is dissolved soybean oil, inflammatory, physto-estrogen/estro-analog stuff but there's not much of it. I found some in saffloower oil gel-caps, but i can't find it now. | |
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Posted: 5/7/2008 11:19:56 AM | Vitamin D linked to reduced mortality rate in Chronic Kidney Disease
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-05/ason-vdl050608.php | |
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Posted: 5/8/2008 11:32:22 PM | | I always enjoy Satx and Random's postings on health matters- obviously the two of you have spent serious time educating yourselves and its great that you share it with the forum audience- good job mates, and keep up the good work! | |
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Posted: 5/19/2008 8:03:24 AM | After lots of reports recommending sun exposure when possible (no sun block or other chemicals, and non-burning exposure) as best way to get Vit D3, free!, here's another group recommending against:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080515102017.htm
... which includes: "study linking a decreased risk of breast cancer to increased levels of vitamin D ... MAY BE CONFUSING." No sh!t!
Do these people read each others' reports? Do these people ever step back and try to digest it all like us stupid consumers? Do they know how to use Google?
We consume, implicitly, unwanted, every day synthetic $$$chemicals , (because they are good for business, not for us), but the free sun is bad? Got it. I'll take my chances with Good Old Sol. The sun is more life-supporting than products from businesses will ever be.
As always, when you add it all up, it's a huge Tower of Medical Babble, with consumers whipsawed with contradictory, flip-flopping advice.
Man lived outside nearly all day, with no chemical $sunblock, for, well, for ever. As they say in politics: "So?"
What's the very clear, well-known deal with UVB and skin cancer? My guess is that bad diet (Oh no, SATX, not that again!) prevents the skin from protecting/healing itself. Skin will add melanin (aka tanning) in response to the sun, to protect itself. Increased melanin reduces Vit D production. Dark skinned people don't produce much/any Vit D in skin.
There are foods whose phyto-chemicals that do protect the skin, eg, sulforaphane (Brassica/cruiferous veg, etc).
As mothers USED to say, long, long ago, "Eat your vegetables!" | |
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Posted: 5/19/2008 1:49:48 PM | Study explains why vitamin D prevents prostate cancer
By David Liu, Ph. D.
May 18, 2008 - 9 41 AM
SUNDAY May 18, 2008 (foodconsumer.org) -- A study by researchers at the University of Rochester Medical Center provides an explanation why vitamin D may prevent prostate cancer and maybe other types of cancer.
Many epidemiologic and laboratory studies have showed that vitamin D may protect against many types of cancer including prostate cancer and it may be used both as a preventative and a therapeutic agent. The Canadian Cancer Society has already recommended daily use of 1,000 IU of vitamin D to prevent cancer.
The study published in the June 15, 2008 issue of the International Journal of Cancer found vitamin D acts on a gene known as G6PD and increases production of an enzyme called glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase.
This enzyme is known to clear cells of reactive oxygen species (ROS), molecules of peroxide or so called free radicals , which can be produced by exposure to some chemicals or forms of radiation and damage DNA, ultimately leading to development of cancer.
"Many epidemiological studies have suggested the beneficial properties of vitamin D," said Yi-Fen Lee, associate professor of urology at the Medical Center who led the research.
"Our findings reflect what we see in those studies and demonstrate that vitamin D not only can be used as a therapy for prostate cancer, it can prevent prostate cancer from happening."
The vitamin used in the study was 1, 25-hydroxylvitamin D3, the most potent and active form of vitamin D in the human body. Both normal cells and prostate cancer cells were used in the study.
The researchers also found that vitamin D does not have the similar activity in prostate cancer cells. “Vitamin D does not protect cancer cells from injury or damage, which is good,” Lee said.
"Our study adds one more beneficial effect of taking a vitamin D supplement. Taking a supplement is especially important for senior citizens and others who might have less circulation of vitamin D, and for people who live and work areas where there is less sunshine."
Vitamin D is photosynthesized in humans by exposure of the skin to sunlight. This vitamin can also be obtained from supplements or a limited number of vitamin D containing foods such as oily fish, egg yolk and fortified foods.
It has been known that up to 10,000 IU a day of this vitamin is safe to use. Experts believe that current recommended daily allowance is way too low. Presently, it is recommended that adults aged 19 to 50 have intake of 200 IU per day, according to Linus Pauling Institute.
http://foodconsumer.org/7777/8888/C_ancer_31/051809202008_Study_explains_why_vitamin_D_prevents_prostate_cancer.shtml
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If you are up to quota on your Vit D3 and then go in the sun, the body won't produce more, no risk of hypercalcemia:
http://www.healthscout.com/ency/68/590/main.html
Max intake of calcium/day should be 1500 mg max, from all sources, and you don't need it every day.
( Talking about bones, hyenas eat so much bone that they sh!t white!
Very strange animals, even stranger than me.
Ladies, if you think vaginal delivery is hard,
guess where the hyena's birth canal is?
http://www.exn.ca/Stories/1999/11/30/52.asp O U C H !
That's Intelligent Design for ya! Thanks, God, you're real barrel of laughs)
Boron and chromium (picolinate) synergize with Vit D3 to help maintain/build bones, so slip in a bit of those. It all helps fight osteoporosis, men and women, as
does an alkalizing diet.
This advice is not meant to treat or cure any disease. Ask Your Doctor. | |
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Posted: 5/22/2008 9:03:04 PM | This looks like a good one, in olive oil, and pretty cheap:
http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=543 | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 8:07:39 AM | Yes People can read or google up all the lies in the world if someone wants to sell a product. Regardless of many "medical" research reports (which some mentioned here already, are CONDRADICTORY) beware of people pushing vitD. It can make you not only extremely sick it can kill you. VitD is a steriod and also suppresses the immune system. VitD in excess amounts will actually stop the absorption of calcium and also cause the bones to LOSE calcium. A lot of short term medical research is just rubbish, not only because so many things are not factored in eg: 1 the molecular biological state of each individual is not examined for a start. 2Vitamins have much less value if mineral balance is wrong. 3Everybody uses vitamins and minerals at different rates. ESPECIALLY those that have unknown physiobiological problems at the molecular level, or even ANY unknown physical problems for that matter, and the list goes on!
You always hear/read in these studies- we took 200 "healthy test subjects". HOW is their "health" acertained, and by whose or what criteria do the "healthy subjects" meet. The list goes on. Too many "unknown"variables to start with, and the list goes on. The only fairly accurate studies on humans are those done over decades or many decades or for the full life of the subjects. Ofcourse full-life studies are not always possible and or practical for some/much research. Hence, many contradicting findings in different short term studies. As I have stated, vitD is a steriod and suppresses the immune system if too much is taken. Many so called Dr's and researchers are pushing up the so called "normal blood levels" and RDI levels (recommended daily intake) , that no-one really knows what the "normal" levels are anymore. VitD is stored in the fat of all animals and some plants. Unless a person is suffering from a disease causing abnormally low levels, then supplementation is not usually necessary if the diet has the correct amount and types of natural fats and oils and a little sun exposure. Eskimos live their entire lives almost totally covered up from the sun and have no vitD problems. And lets be honest, how many people have ever had their 25D or 1,25D levels checked properly. To test 1,25D properly the sample must be allowed to settle and clot at room temp for at least 30 mins (but no more than 2 hrs) then centrifuged. After centrifuging it must be frozen to between -2 degreesC and -10degreesC and must be transported in dry ice until reaching the testing lab.
So PLEASE everyboby, stop killing yourselves with the deadly D.
Also, on another note, for those with those with immune system problems and people suffering any inflamatory condition , avoid soy products because of the immunosuppressive effects of the phytoestrogens (very nasty) and also genistein (a soy isoflavone). Thankyou for reading this, hope this will stop people from making themselves very sick or killing themselves.
PS Someone mentioned earlier on this forum that vitD helps depression in elderly etc. The main cause of depression in elderly men is low testosterone, also a major cause of low bone mineral density. Depression in older women, and also low bone density is mainlycaused by low oestrogen (estrogen) and also low testosterone. This is taking into consideration other factors such as pain induced depression and other external depression inducing circumstances.
I cannot overstate this, your hormones play a much more important role in your physical and mental health than vitamins. It wont matter what you take to improve your health, if your hormones aren't right, nothing will help!!! So if you can afford it, the next time you go to your doctor, don't just get your vit's and mineral levels checked; get your hormone levels checked first!!! Note, blood levels of calcium is not a useful indication for calcium bone levels. Thankyou one and all. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 10:05:45 AM | "stop killing yourselves with the deadly D"
No Vit D deaths reported here, and no one is recommending "excessive" Vit D, so your fighting a straw man.
The recommendation is only to avoid Vit D deficiency, which is widespread.
Even the anti-vitamin FDA is considering raising the RDA for Vit D. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 5:49:11 PM | | Thirity minutes of sunlight around noon or longer if later on on the day or earlier. Vitamin D is very important for immune system. Yes you can get toxicity from Vitamin D but that's for food sources and most people don't get even get close to the amount. The body produces vitamin d when you exposure your skin to sunlight. It will only produce what you need. The next best soruce is cod liver oil but that's mainly for winter time. It is suggest to monitor your vitamin d levels in your blood when you go to your doctor. Generally speaking if you are getting enough vitamin d during the summer one teaspoon of cod liver oil daily should be enough for you during the cold winter months. Maximum dosage is 3 per day. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 2:16:26 AM | i agree with SOLOMON overall: too much hype over VITAMIN D. And its potentially dangerous (while not necessarily DEATHLY) from TOXICITY buildup. The real VITAL MINERAL that we actually need to take/supplement is VITAMIN K! This vitamin is the real CULPRIT in BONE LOSS and/or BONE SOFTENING.
You make enuff CALCIUM and VITAMIN D within your BONES and LIVER, respectively. We know that the WATER INSOLUBLE vitamins like AD and E get stored in the LIVER. And get used up at different rates depending on the person.
Vitamin D is mostly REPLENISHED by the SUN, so you do NOT need to TAKE it! However, COD LIVER OIL is a decent substitute but its more EFFECTIVE if you RUB it into the SKIN in the case of VITE D defiency and then SUNBATHE for 20-30 mins.
As far as the RDA Levels they are actually on the MAINTENANCE side of vitamin-taking. Due to DIET and LIFESTYLE, most of us need MORE than the RDA. Mainly because we EAT a lotta PROCESSED, de-nourished food. Our BELLIES are getting full but we are not getting enuff ASSIMILATED NUTRIENTS in our meals. We are STARVING in the midst of plenty.
Yes, OSTEOPOROSIS/OSTEOMALACIA is a sign of CALCIUM/VITAMIN D defiency brought on by NON-SYNTHESIS. Both have to be present to work together. In fact, you actually need CALCIUM, VITAMIN D "and" VITAMIN A and VITAMIN K. The most important NUTRIENT being vitamin K (dark green leaves, sea moss, chlorophyll or the supplement itself).
Vitamin K is not just for COAGULATION anymore. It never was. You need that VITAMIN K to SYNTHESIZE both VITAMIN D and CALCIUM. If you have no VITE K you will not have the best ASSIMILATION and SYNTHESIS of D and Calcium. And that leads to your BONES losing both.
So its not VITE D that we all need. Its VITAMIN K! | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 2:31:50 AM |
Which is why those who use sunblock, which I rarely use, have higher incidents of cancer -- their bodies are making less Vit D.
Or... they wear sunblock because they spend more time in the sun, which is very clearly linked to cancer!
Heaven forbid we look at cause and effect rather than making baseless assumptions! Whatever will happen next in this zany thread? | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 2:43:12 AM | | I have read that sunblock can cause cancer so I guess just covering up yourself is the best next thing besides eating plenty of antioxiant foods like broccoli which allows you to stay out in the sun longer than normal. Dark skin colored people can stay out in the sun longer. In fact to get enough vitamin d from the sun I have read they have to stay out longer in the sun. Too much of anything isn't good for you at all. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 10:18:10 AM | Do dead people report on forums what they die of ?
Too much secosteriod vitD causes brain lesions.
50,000 iu per day or vitD(secosteroid) did not increase bone density.
If anyone really wants to find why you don't need "vitD" supplements, please look at breakthrough research on Th1 inflamation and vitD (biofilm bacteria in the innate immune system and the problems caused by "vitD" ), and also the vitD hype machine at work, please visit www.bacteriality.com and this will answer just about any question on secosteroid "vitD" ;and also many other questions about the "pushers "of vitD. It may also help anyone on this forum and others they know who suffer with illnesses mentioned on this site. It has some MAJOR medical breakthroughs and I hope it will help as many people as possible, so please take a look, you may be able help a family member or friend , or just someone you meet. I came to this forum to help others and people who are ill, and if possible prevent others from becoming ill. So please look at this information it's a real eye opener . Sometimes preventitive measures aren't always what the seem. If anyone anywhere can be helped by the information on this site, it will be a good thing. I find helping people is very satisfying. And if I can help one thousand people or only one person, whether I know them or not it will be a good thing.
Like most people there also people here on the supplement band wagon or maybe a better term would be the supplement lifestyle. But if you look at civilization 1000 years ago for example, people weren't stuffing their faces with supplements,just eating basic clean unmodified unadulterated unadditivized(poisoned) foodstuffs. One modern example I know of, a journalist lived in the deserts with Arab freedom fighters for about 3 months on a staple diet of only water and dried figs and suffered no illness or ill effects, only the expected weight loss that would be considered normal.
Imagine shoving a weeks or months worth of food nutrients into your mouth every day. What would be the side effects? Not good in the long term. Sure if you have an illness or some particular health problem there is merit in helping the problem. But just taking supplements of any kind because "so&so" reported something, I'd call it false beleiving. Yes I do take certain supp's, but for particular problems, not just for the sake of "so&so's" say so.
How much codliver oil or vitD supp or any other massive dose of food extract did the average man living in Babylon take 3-4ooo years ago, or roman soldier 2000 years ago etc etc? None I would imagine. Don't worry I realise many civilizations have natural/herbal medicines and cures, but these things are not the same as taking a weeks worth of concentrated foods every day. Overload any system, even in the slighest way, for prolonged periods and what happens? Something breaks down eventually. Nothing will last properly under such circumstances.
I also read earlier the FDA was reccomending extra this or that. How many deadly and life threatening etc drugs have they approved over the years??? The sleeping pill stilnox(as it is known here in OZ) is still approved even though people are still dying indirectly from it's use, because people are unaware of what they are doing while under the effects of it, and don't remember what they've done afterwards.
Big companies (pharmecutical etc) with big money can buy most anything,including "good" reports or "trusted" people to endorse their products any day of the week. How many of these big companies have been caught out doctoring reports or influencing reports in their favour; especially when they pay for the research. Millions of false claims and billions in profits later,who cares who gets sick or dies, they've already made off with the cash. BYE BYE LARDASS!!! catch me if you can!!!
Certainly! supplements herbs medicines are necessary IF, you have a problem. But I say, hearer beware, your body is not meant to be overloaded to what some of the standards would have you think! We have people here in OZ and ofcourse other parts of the world that live to a very ripe old age and have NEVER taken anything other than the average simple diet. One old gentleman here recently on his late 90's birthday, when aked what he attributed to his health and longevity, stated "a life of plenty of beer and cigarettes ". I have an Aunty, the eldest or her family at 93yo this September who has never taken anything in her life besides ordiary food and drink, until recent years, due to old age. And when she was a child nearly died or a huge absess on her lung between her lung and heart which cost her 3 ribs and many months convalesing. She is under 5 ft tall and worked very hard in her early years in a munitions factory during the war making the shell cases for large bombs. And worked hard to help support her large family of brothers and sisters in very times. Of course she has the back hip and other type of problems associated with such hard overwork,but that's the type person she is and thats how it was in those days.
But to the people who live in the polluted cities I suggest they save the money they spend on supplements and move to a cleaner place instead of relying on these supplements to save them. Vigorous investigations show that engine emissions,especially deisel emissions cause all types of lung disease,cancers ,terrible health problems to pregnant mothers babies,children etc, which NO amount or supplements can stop, only clean air,food and water.
I hope I have been able to get across to everyone what I have intended to here. Basically, supplements etc are for the sick or those that ACTUALLY need them. Don't supplement just because you've been told to. One last note, the only person that really knows the most about the SECOSTEROID "vitD " will have their information found at the site mentioned above and other related sites mentioned there.
I only hope this will shed some light on a substance that is becoming very hyped up by those in the selling marketplace , for what I can only honestly believe from my own research, to be a profiteering excerise for those with the money to profit massively from it. And as I've said before, they're interested in who they hurt. Basically, more sickness, more profits to be made by selling treatments. And I don't mean treatments that cure, but treatments for symptoms only. And I've been through the ringer with so called medical doctors, specialist,s naturopaths etc , witchdocters some in my opinion, with all that crap for over 20 years. I have one good specialist now who is openminded about real medicine, and is not swayed by "popular" bullshit. Thank GOD Amen!
PS. Moses spent 40 days on the mountain with God, fasting without supplements,the Israelites wandered in the desert for forty years living very scarcely without supplements, and Jesus spent 40 days in the desert fasting without supplements either . So why do other healthy people need them ? Sorry I forgot, the supplement company owners are living in horrific poverty and need your hundreds of millions of hard earned dollars more than you do. How could I be so stupid and not realise that. But as I said, be very careful about this steroid D business,because I'm not the only one who is smelling a rat here.
You don't have believe me, but I would believe the foremost expert in the world today. www.bacteriality.com | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 3:26:47 PM | | Vitamin D overdose is from supplements it is nearly impossible to overdose from food sources, you would have to consume extremely large amounts of food to overdose. This is why you should have your vitamin d level in your blood checked when taking supplements. One tablespoon of cod liver oil is safe to take in the winter time. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2008 2:39:36 AM | | [satx78218 7/4/08/quote] Could you please elaborate on your answer."straw man" doesn't explain anything to me. And if your going to quote me it's only fair and reasonable to give a proper response, or at least one that I, and others can understand. I thank you kindly if you could do this. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2008 3:00:40 AM | | On my post 7/4/2008 I made a mistake and left out the word not. It was meant to read -And as I've said before, they're NOT intersted in who they hurt. Meaning big companies. | |
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