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Posted: 4/24/2008 10:42:30 PM | Below is the speech from the movie "V for Vendetta", which in my opinion is very spot-on about the politics of fear and division that have been used by our current administration. This was my favorite part of the movie when I seen it almost 2 years ago.
In this scene V takes over the local propaganda news television station, and broadcasts his message to the people of England.
Good evening, London.
Allow me first to apologize...
I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of the everyday routine...
...the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition.
I enjoy them as much as any bloke.
But in the spirit of commemoration...
whereby important events of the past usually associated with someone's death, or the end of some awful, bloody struggle are celebrated with a nice holiday...
I thought we could mark this November the 5th
...a day that is, sadly, no longer remembered...by taking time out of our daily lives
to sit down and have a little chat.
There are, of course, those who do not want us to speak. Even now, orders are being shouted into telephones...and men with guns will soon be on their way.
Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.
Words offer the means to meaning...
and, for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth.
And the truth is.............there is something terribly wrong
with this country, isn't there?
Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression.
And where once you had the freedom to object...to think and speak as you saw fit...
you now have censors and surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting submission.
How did this happen? Who's to blame?
Certainly there are those who are more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable.
But again, truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty...
you need only look into a mirror!
I know why you did it.
I know you were afraid.
Who wouldn't be? War, terror, disease........
There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason,
and rob you of your common sense.
Fear got the best of you. And in your panic, you turned to
the now High Chancellor Adam Sutler.
He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return
was your silent, obedient consent.
Last night, I sought to end that silence.
Last night, I destroyed the "Old Bailey" to remind this country
of what it has forgotten.
More than 400 years ago, a great citizen wished to imbed the 5th of November forever in our memory.
His hope was to remind the world that fairness, justice and freedom are more than words. They are perspectives.
So if you've seen nothing, if the crimes of this government remain unknown to you.....
then I would suggest that you allow the 5th of November to pass unmarked.
But if you see what I see...if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek...
then I ask you to stand beside me, one year from tonight outside the gates of Parliament.
And together, we shall give them a 5th of November, that shall never, ever be forgot!
Perhaps we in America can make this November also one that will never be forgot by standing up for a candidate that stands for us, and not allow the using of fear tactics to scare us into silent obedience the way it has been done over the last few years.
Thats what we have to decide to vote for in the primaries, and the general election this November,........................... hope for the future, or fear of the past.
"The people should not fear their government, the Government should fear the people!" -V-
Its time we apply this priciple to all levels of our Government, after all,.... they apply for a job with us, and once voted into office they are supposed to work for us as well. | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 1:50:31 AM | Amen brother.
That why people early on compared Bush to Hitler (much to his dismay). But Bush (Rove actually and the cabal behind him) used fear to ensconce themselves in power. They simply create a fake boogie man and then promise "they" will protect you from them at any costs (THAT would be the catch).
Seems to have worked like a charm in much the same way as the fear of communists under your bed worked in the Hoover years. My only hope is that people finally see through the smoke and mirrors and do what's right. | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 5:10:29 AM | | It seems that your side is the side that brings"Fear" into the equation with much more frequency. Pictures of terrorists,of attacks on America, of war etc..are not necessarily fear inspiring they are the reality of the World in which we live. Thats the problem with Idealists they have trouble with Reality.... | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 5:17:18 AM |
t seems that your side is the side that brings"Fear" into the equation with much more frequency.
Really? How so? | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 5:19:33 AM |
It seems that your side is the side that brings"Fear" into the equation with much more frequency. Pictures of terrorists,of attacks on America, of war etc..are not necessarily fear inspiring they are the reality of the World in which we live. Thats the problem with Idealists they have trouble with Reality....
really? Tell me what is the terror alert colour today? | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 5:54:23 AM | See what I mean? ...lol Obama supporters use fear as a weapon much more effectively. Fear of "more of the same", Fear of any armed conflict, Fear of a continuation of Iraq, Fear of Lobbyists, Fear of Bush, ....they all use fear in different forms some are just more obvious...isn't that the basis for most issues.We worry or are afraid about what conditions will be like in the future, Economy,Employment, Health,War, Food, Shelter etc....
Despite yours sides Ostrich like approach terrorists exist who do want to harm America and Americans...
I watched an ad that was immediately labeled as fear mongering by your side, it showed pictures of war, known terrorists, etc....my question is, do these not exist? If so,
why does your side think the average American is incapable of acknowledging the reality of the world in which we live without cowering in Fear?
Whoever we elect will eventually have to deal with potential conflicts that may lead to War, do we want a President that may not have the tools necessary to make or support that decision? | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 6:32:10 AM | Insolent1, I am an Obama supporter and for my money, the only fear being sold is fear for our futures if Republicans hold Washington DC hostage much longer.
Fear for our futures.
It is "loathing" for more of the same and hope for change....
It is the possibilities inherent in negotiation and discourse with people who dont like us and disagree with us, hearing them out, not ignoring them and beating war drums...
again, hope.
Obama's team is not selling fear at all.
As far as potential "war" goes, "war" is obsolete, my friend. Even since we dropped nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and incinerated 150,000 Japanese women, children, and elderly ........"war" is about killing civilians. There are no more battlefields with troops facing off in brightly colored uniforms .........and no country in the world is ever, EVER going attack America or invite a war, given our arsenal of weapons bought and paid for by taxpayers at great expense to us..........
Individuals will, however. There are and there will be individuals who will want to commit acts of terrorism and destruction, but frankly, I dont think they are very interested in hurting American people ..... their aims are political and the seats of political power.
Speaking of "reality", that you seem to know so much of, what we need in office are people who are smart enough to know that war is now obsolete and the threats we face are from international criminals, not countries. The only real big decisions we need to make are to not do something too, too stupid to make things worse ........like another Iraq invasion. | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 6:34:46 AM |
Despite yours sides Ostrich like approach terrorists exist who do want to harm America and Americans...
Try asking "why"? could it be brutal imperialistic dealings with the nations that spawn these terrorists, and the knowledge of what happens to your allies eventually (Noriega, Bin Laden, and Saddam were all one time allies in fear-mongerring against others like Iran or Russia)
How many Americans were killed by terrorists in the past decade (and sorry you cannot count soldiers in Iraq, they are legit targets in an illegal war zone)?..... Now how many Americans died in the past decade because some arsehole thought sure he'd been drinking but he was fine to drive? Why isn't there an ad about that? Why aren't foriegn nationals drinking and driving in othe countries finding themselves held without trial by the US?
Ohhhh I get it a drunk driver doesn't scare anyone enough to take the focus off of a corrupt government, even if you have a much higher risk of being killed by one than by a terrorist. | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 6:44:16 AM | That's not fear Insolent, that's called being weary. Once we used to be able to believe we stood for something good and right in this country. Recently we've lost even the facade to which to cling. Can't we want to be better if it's at all possible?
This is hard to type because it's taboo to say "change". It's taboo to say "hope" or "dream". It's come to the point where the purest ideals of humanity have become a badge of shame.
I doubt I'm the only one Insolent who whenever the topic of Fear and Paranoia in politics come up in discussions in the break room or at the coffee shop, you pop into our heads. | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 7:04:29 AM | The difference is plain and simple, Some use fear to gain power, control the masses, remove rights that may be contrary to keeping grasp on that power, and scare people away from thinking and into conformity.
Others talk about the issues not from the stand point why you should be afraid, but what can we do to rise up from the current situation together as a nation.
Which approach seems more like keeping your head in the sand?
"Fight them over there so we won have to fight them over here"(Bush)
" If you vote for a democrat, the terrorists will win"(Dick Cheney)
" They hate us cause they hate freedom"(Bush)
"he doesnt have enough experience"(Hillary)
"I (Hillary) and John McCain have experience, all Barack has is speeches and empty rhetoric"
"He's (Barack) an Elitest"
OR:
"You have the power to change this country"(Barack)
"I'm asking you to beleive, not just in my ability to bring real change in Washington.... I'm asking you to beleive in yours"(Barack)
"this is not Red America, or Blue America, but the United States of America"(Barack)
While writing this something occured to me.........
Barack asks us what we are gonna do together to fix this country,
Hillary, and John tell us who we must fear, and how they will take care of us as if they are super heros capable of doing it all
And to a certain extent some of our Public's Lazyiness will help HRC, and JM. They want their Leader to do it all, and think for them to0.
They want everything to get better but dont want to put their own effort in.
They want their leader to think for them, not have opinions of their own.
Young People overwhelmingly support Barack, cause they are still willing to have fresh new Ideas, and put the work in to get then done.
Alot of older people still have the same drive as the young ones, and realize a candidate is not a super hero and depends on us not only in november but every day afterwards.... The UNITED, in the United states of America.
Others as cynical, and believe things like experience should be the deciding factor.
If they (candidates) are "Experienced" in the way Washington works, then they will be able to put on the cape and save us all, but not taking into affect that the experienced ones in Washington are the ones who screwed us in the first place.
Remember this? "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" -Kennedy-
Fear of the Past, or Hope for the Future, that is the question. | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 7:09:33 AM |
Young People overwhelmingly support Barack, cause they are still willing to have fresh new Ideas, and put the work in to get then done.
how is tax and spend a fresh new idea? how is more government a fresh new idea? somebody, please tell me. | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 7:28:14 AM | ^^^^^^ Like I said when quoting Kennedy "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"
The Tax issue is nothing more that a divisive issue, designed to scare people into voting one way just like other fear issues of terror, and inexperience.
We are in 3 trillion dollars in debt, with borrow and spend policies, how do we get out of that?????? borrowing from china more and more everyday to continue the Iraq war
Please tell me how we will balance the budget without ending the war and taxing the richest ones in this country??
How about we rebuild our economy, stop the bleeding in Iraq (both physically and financially), restoring our jobs and wealth so you dont have to worry about tax increases.
The only reason we worry about taxes now is because the "experienced ones" Bush and Clintons set the stages for the financial gutting of Americas economy, now the wife of one, and the the other with the support of Bush, want to tell us that they have the cure for the Bullshit they helped create???
If you have, giving is easy, if you dont then not so much.
Question is not tax increases, but why would we even notice it at all?
when you have dollars, being nickeled and dimed isnt as noticable as when you only have nickels and dimes to begin with.
BTW, who presided over the largest increases in government in the last 20 years?????
You guessed it: Bushes and Clintons!
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Posted: 4/25/2008 7:39:49 AM | Perhaps Americans becoming individually self sufficient, willing to work for themselves, and taking personal responsibility for the decisions they make would be a major change.
Hope for the future is like praying; gives emotional satisfaction but accomplishes nothing unless the person is willing to do the hard work of getting there.
"Change" may make a better, stronger America or may do just the opposite; it is easy to preach "change", it is much more difficult to find the correct "change" to have a positive outcome. When someone preaches that they are the "agent of change", intelligent people want to know what kind of change are they talking about, the devil is in the details!!!! | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 8:03:31 AM |
Like I said when quoting Kennedy "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"
ironic that you would quote this considering you support a candidate who prefers a nanny state.
The Tax issue is nothing more that a divisive issue, designed to scare people into voting one way just like other fear issues of terror, and inexperience.
politics is nothing but terrorism. I have been saying this for how long now? the fear of raising taxes is no worse than the fear of a 100 year war. this is politics, it's how it works.
Please tell me how we will balance the budget without ending the war and taxing the richest ones in this country??
how many times must I explain this to people. this is a myth. the capital gains tax is punishment for poor and middle class people. if I make $7.50 per hour, I am considered poor. if I make $7.50 per hour but invest $2 of that hourly wage into stocks and make a profit, suddenly I am rich? it taxes investments, not wealth. it just makes it harder to accumulate any wealth. this would double if oprahama gets his way.
also, you are from one of the most liberal cities in the US. NY city is ultra liberal. I live at the beach in NC, and this place is crawling from NY transplants. I would say that 1 in 3 of residents are from NY. they had to leave NY. you know why? number 1 reason given is high taxes. tax and spend liberal a myth? | |
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