| Are children safe no-where
Posted: 4/26/2008 12:34:03 AM | We have the fair in the recreation ground near to me at the moment.
There are police vans down there ,in the fair the whole time it is there,with police walking around the fair.Because of gangs of Asians(sorry dont mean to sound racist) that are ruling the area and hanging round starting fights.
Are our children not safe to go anywhere anymore?
Is there anywhere you have seen police patroling where likd should be safe?
The police always seem to be outside the school too | |
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| Are children safe no-where
Posted: 4/26/2008 1:33:06 AM | | Just a thought...if the police are patrolling the chances are your children will be safe. That is part of their job- it is called crime prevention. It involves being in an area where crime is likely to happen (drugs are often rife at fairgrounds)...and strangely, lots of people do not commit crime when the police are there. | |
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Posted: 4/26/2008 2:41:13 AM | | Oh for gawds sake . Yet another scaremongering thread . Children are not safe anywhere in the UK are they ? Especially when there are gangs of "asians" roaming about waiting to pounce on our children .Christ .Why dont you keep your children indoors and wrap them up in cotton wool to show you really care .Things were not this bad when I was a child .You cant trust anyone these days yadda yadda yadda . | |
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| Are children safe no-where
Posted: 4/26/2008 2:45:12 AM |
Are our children not safe to go anywhere anymore?
No. The best thing to do is to keep them locked up at home. If you ever do need to take them out of the house for whatever reason make you accompany them and to be on the safe side wrap them from head to toe in industrial bubble wrap. I'd suggest following this course of action until they are least 25. | |
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Posted: 4/26/2008 2:56:36 AM | Nice to see some police doing things other than collecting revenue for the government to be honest.
Depends how old your kids are mate, I used to love going to the fair for a fight when I was in my teens, if they aint old enough to look after themselves surely you should be supervising them. | |
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Posted: 4/26/2008 3:01:03 AM | Mr.Native only untill they are 25? you are going all soft on us!!.
Seriously though isnt it better to have police prescence at the fair for peace of mind?.
You could always consider moving to the sticks, start a commune,live off the land and be at one with nature | |
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Posted: 4/26/2008 3:02:27 AM | I have to say I am not sure that a fair is a good comparison with "are children safe nowhere". Fairs have ALWAYS been an unsafe place for unsupervised kids, well I can safely say I wasn't allowed to go the the fair when it came to our town without an adult until I was about 15. Fairs have always seemed to have the undercurrent of a "bit of trouble", there have always been fights in them.
If you had said there was a gang of teenagers terrorising the kids in the local park i would whole heartedly agree, but not at a fair to be honest!! | |
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Posted: 4/26/2008 3:57:56 AM | I used to take the boys,but now they are alot older they want to go with mates.Last year a girl was stabbed by a gang,so thats why the police are now patrolling the fair.
Yes,at least the kids should be safe enough,but we shouldnt have to tell them not to go certain places because of gangs with knifes.
I dont want them wrapped up in cotton wool,i want them to be able to go places on there own like i used to. | |
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Posted: 4/26/2008 4:08:43 AM | | I grew up in a housing estate in Glasgow .But I cant remember once being taken too or being collected from school .The gang problem was massive but being a young kid was ok ,being a young man their was very scary .There was a 12am curfew where I lived .If you were hanging the police would nab you and depending on their mood give you a good slapping .Going to the fair was something that kids could do safely but young men - no , not unless you were with your mates looking for some . | |
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Posted: 4/26/2008 4:51:08 AM | | When i was at school a girl in my year ran off with a boy from the travelling fair, it caused a huge amount of gossip amongst us, we thought it was a hoot, i suppose being 14 and extremely callow it never dawned on us that anything bad could have happened to her, we were just aghast at the idea that she may have been actually "doing it," but that was gentler times, when i`m sure that there were not really less nutters around i think its just we didnt hear about them so much, so no i would never let any child of mine go unsupervised anywhere these days till they were in their late teens, a bit strict but in an uncertain world it pays to be strict. | |
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Posted: 4/26/2008 5:27:00 AM | Fairs have always been a bit dodgy for kids, nothing has changed there, imo.
If it's not other kids looking for trouble, it's being ripped-off or having the Waltzer boys trying to make you lose your lunch (or your knickers).
I used to know a guy who'd spent some time with a travelling fair in his youth. The stoies he told were enough to make you reconsider ever letting your kids near one. | |
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Posted: 4/26/2008 6:08:17 AM | I'll bet there are as many black, white, polish etc. gangs around there as there are asian. But those don't stick out as much because there is less prejudice (within you) against 'them'.
And fair-ground people arent that bad either.
The biggest bigot here is the OP.
And if there were no police about that would be a problem too.
Tssk | |
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Posted: 4/26/2008 8:15:50 AM |
No. The best thing to do is to keep them locked up at home. If you ever do need to take them out of the house for whatever reason make you accompany them and to be on the safe side wrap them from head to toe in industrial bubble wrap. I'd suggest following this course of action until they are least 25.
I like this solution, it's elegant. It keeps the people who should never be allowed to have kids anyway, off the streets.
Well thought out. | |
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Posted: 4/26/2008 8:32:54 AM | NL, you cannot have it both ways. With the police there, you worry there might be trouble brewing. If the police were not there (to make their presence known), I am sure you would complain that they are absent.
Allow your kids so freedom.. to make mistakes, to mix with the wrong 'un, etc. If you trust yourself to have instilled a good value system in them, they will cope with the good & the bad in life. Afterall, you need to cut that 'umblical cord' to your youngs ones one day. Although I have only met them only once, they seem to be level headed enough to cope. Just ensure you keep in touch with their thoughts, feelings & their friends. | |
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Posted: 4/26/2008 8:51:57 AM | | im wary of places like fairs because they peado magnats but i have installed in my child stranger danger so i let her have reasonable freedom, if there is high police presence there then id have no qualms about letting my child go with friends gangs are everywhere and not always as much trouble as people think they just look daunting as it a large group | |
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Posted: 4/26/2008 1:23:27 PM | This is nothing new in that area, or anywhere maybe, northamptonlass. I lived in Northampton during the late seventies early eighties when the NF were at their hideous heights of their popularity. We used to have a fair on the fields behind the General Hospital, excuse me I forget the name of the fields, and they were never complete without a major fight a day. You avoided the fair if you were familiar with it. In those days there were skinheads going round just looking for it.
We were stopped on the A43 just after the roundabout as you left Northampton on our way to Wicksteed Park one bank holiday and told we would be arrested if we tried to go any further as Wicksteed was one big battle between Kettering and Northampton yobs. We didn't need the threat of arrest, we just didn't want a day out like that.
Sorry your kids can't enjoy a day out at the fair but it seems endemic in today's society. One reason I moved to France. I did take part in a couple of carnivals, and even at one of them witnessed youths wanting to go over the top with missile throwing at floats. | |
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Posted: 4/26/2008 4:47:24 PM |
black, white, polish etc.
Polish are white.
Do not mix races with nationalities. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 1:27:29 AM | trouble is, it is the doo gooders that went around saying, 'you cant hit children,' from parents and teachers to police and so forth and now i expect it is the same doo gooders that go round complaining how no one is safe now-a-days and have a low opinion of the police because they have little power to do anything...
i say a good ol witch hunt, burn all the scum and start again lol | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 4:32:59 PM |
Polish are white.
Are they?...even the mixed race ones?...or should I say 'dual-heritage'???
Not all british people are white you know. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 5:04:43 PM | Hmmmm I think the problem with gangs is the issue, and not the ethnic background, colour, or religious beliefs.
It seems that different areas of the country suffer from different types of gangs causing problems. Some areas have asian communities, some have chinese communities, come have black communities.
The whole problem is these "communities" that seem to keep popping up everywhere. I thought Great Britain was supposed to be multicultural. So why do people feel the need to all live in the same area and then the thugs not allow anyone who isn't the same colour/religion down their street. The whole thing is pathetic really.
Then of course you have your hooded yobs, who just hang about causing whatever trouble they can and "happy slapping" passers by. I'd love for the stupid little idiots to try that with me instead of the younger/older vunerable people.
It all points back to things I have raised in several other posts. There is no deterant to stop all of this behaviour anymore. Give the Police back more rights and powers.
I'd deal with 50% of crime practically overnight if I were Prime Minister. Not sure quite how legal it would all be, but you'd all feel a damn site safer  | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 5:25:52 PM |
The whole problem is these "communities" that seem to keep popping up everywhere. I thought Great Britain was supposed to be multicultural. So why do people feel the need to all live in the same area and then the thugs not allow anyone who isn't the same colour/religion down their street. The whole thing is pathetic really.
This is the government forcing integration into our society which to be honest...doesnt seem to be working that well. it seems people like to stick to thier own kind, whatever that may be.
Then of course you have your hooded yobs
More bigotry and generalisations, just like the OP.
I'd deal with 50% of crime practically overnight if I were Prime Minister. Not sure quite how legal it would all be, but you'd all feel a damn site safer.
I think i'd just emigrate.
The answer to the topic of this thread is simply...no where.
Not even in your own home or with your own family or friends or anyone who comes into contact with your child, everyone has the capability of doing damage and you can't wrap them up in bubblewrap, they'll suffocate!.....See? | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 11:55:09 PM | I agree with you,im not just picking on the Asians at all.Im just saying its a big problem at the moment in the area,everyones scared to walk past them because they wear knuckle dusters and have knifes on them.And WILL use them.This is also in school.
God help the kid of any colour or race that syicks up for him/herself.
I agree,the hooded yobs are the ones that hang aroung the parks and in town on a saturday afternoon.
We should be able to let kids out anytime,well young teens anyway.
Its not just happy slapping they film on their mobiles its lots of stupid things.
My son got attacked by a gang which turned into gangs last october and was made to kiss another boy while it was filmed on mobile and put onto u tube.
They shouldnt pick on younger kids,they are obviously cowards because they know they cant fight back,how can one or two children stick up for themselves against gangs? | |
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| Are children safe no-where
Posted: 4/28/2008 3:19:02 AM | Speaking strictly, that is: technically and accurately, then No, they aren't, but it's also true that no-one is, in the same sense.
You might discuss with them (your children) all (almost!) or any questions, and to give them confidence and likely to tell you anything (I don't know how to tell if it works, other than if yours SEEM to be happy to tell you things without fearing only you using rules on them), and then you can tell them to beware of some things, and they hopefully feel ok to ask you why - and at that point you have to balance between seeming to hold back (but why mummy, WHY!) (I'm a bloke, by the way), and leading them on to apparently exciting danger.
How about taking them to martial arts classes? Have to check for reasonable ones, there's too much of getting kids-for-the-sport, rather than sport for the KIDS!
I don't know about it, but I'm told that when it's properly done, it's giving them ideas of responsibility, as well as the ability to deal physically with most interference.
?- Tell them they can go around, but they go mob-handed, stick together, look after each other... even allowed to wear hoods...
Is it a silly question to ask what does/doesn't happen if you call the cops (with at least one definite reason) about lurking gangs? - But also, are they really lurking gangs, or possibly 'cool' (puke!) teenage groups?
Do you make space for your kids and friends to have somewhere to be/play with little adult boring rules!! ?
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Posted: 4/28/2008 3:35:29 AM | More bigotry and generalisations, just like the OP.
You do seem to be very quick to start using that Bigotry word, especially at the OP, I'm a little confused as to your point of view against her really.. I think you may have just completely missed the whole point.
Likewise it's also a fact that youth culture is becoming more prevalent, and the majority of this is down to youths with nothing better to do. Irrespective of whether it makes me a bigot or not, the majority of people causing problems that I see on a day to day basis are the types described, if you think that makes me a bigot then perhaps you should learn the meaning of the word before you go throwing it around, if people see these folk causing problems on a day to day basis I would hardly say that it is an irrational feeling towards that group - But what do I know? I'm just a bigot as well... right?
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Posted: 4/28/2008 6:04:58 AM | Thankyou, I do think a few people have missed the point actually.Or perhaps i could have worded it a little better,who knows.
The "Bigot" usuing man does seem to have a problem
And you can tell the gangs wanting to cause trouble from the gangs/groups of kids just doing there thing | |
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