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Posted: 4/28/2008 9:05:15 AM | do my fellow forumite agree that the ghurkas should be given british status/citizenship
here we have a troup of men who have stayed loyal to this country,monach,despite all they we have done to them
they show more loyalty than some that are born here.
they fought and still fight bravely for this country let give them the respect they deserve. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 9:08:38 AM | Don't know enough about it.
If they were not from the UK to start with, what were they actually fighting for, and why? What did they expect to gain from it? Were they misled somehow? The government lies and misleads to get people on their side all the time so it wouldn't surprise me.
(I'm hopeless when it comes to war history). | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 9:10:25 AM | Yes undoubtedly they should.
They have laid their life on the line for this country, something few of us are prepared to do. Plus look at some of the rubbish that is allowed Citizenship. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 9:14:32 AM | Yup and pay them decent pensions when they retire.
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Posted: 4/28/2008 9:32:38 AM | | Yup - as said above ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 9:45:51 AM |
''If there was a minute's silence for every Gurkha casualty from World War II alone, we would have to keep quiet for two weeks.''
They fight for us, lay their lives down for us, yes they should be granted british status/citzenship... The history surrounding the Brigade of Ghurkas is fascinating, google Brigade of Ghurkas for their website. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 9:46:19 AM | I agree - they have earned British citizenship.
As to why they serve in HM Forces ? Well, two main reasons -
Tradition / esteem - For many its a family tradition and because selection is so tough, those who are selected earn status among their peers.
The pay. The current pay of a British Army private may seem paltry to many considering they risk life and limb. The starting pay for an enlisted man is 13,ooo per year.
BUT compare this to wages for an unskilled man in Nepal of £500 per year and you can see that a Gurkha can provide for his entire family to live in luxury. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 9:48:09 AM | Yup, all of the above but also because their selection process is so rigorous that only the cream of the crop make it through.
At the moment we seem to be taking in the global flotsam, riff raff, criminal element call it what you will, but there are a lot of immigrants that wouldn't have been welcome in my Dad's generation. Back then you came to the UK with the intention at the elite Universities, and then going back home or of working darn hard and contributing taxes etc.
It'd be nice to have the Gurkhas to even up the balance a little. If we are going to have a broad immigration policy, then for the future of the nation & our competiveness in global capitalism, we need to ensure we take in the best of the best.
Also it seems rude to say, thanks for fighting and being maimed etc for us, but off you go now boys ! I think the British people, (as opposed to our crooked politicians) have a stronger sense of fair play than that. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 10:34:08 AM | The Ghurkas have shown great allegiance as part of our fighting force and should demand the upmost respect by this country and its government.
They have stood side by side us in battle and we should stand side by side with them in peace time also and support them.
There are UK citizens who would not fight for their own country so why do we penalise those that are not UK citizens who are willing to lay down their lives for us ????
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Posted: 4/28/2008 11:11:54 AM | They are honourable, loyal men laying their lives on the line to improve their quality of life who are treated with no respect by our country.
Disgusted when I saw an ex-Gurkha offering to hand back his medals as they were nothing but metal without honour attached from the country that gave them.
Yet again everyone on the forum and every thinking person in the country agrees and the Government ignores us. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 11:14:01 AM | | Yes they should, totally agree with charliedontsurf. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 2:18:29 PM |
The pay. The current pay of a British Army private may seem paltry to many considering they risk life and limb. The starting pay for an enlisted man is 13,ooo per year.
BUT compare this to wages for an unskilled man in Nepal of £500 per year and you can see that a Gurkha can provide for his entire family to live in luxury.
When they fight for Britain.....they are not in Nepal so Nepal's rate of pay should not apply . Its like saying that we should pay Somali asylumseekers whatever they get in Somalia and give them a hut instead of a council house .
The Gurkhas have fought alongside us for going on more than 200 years .They are now divided btw Britain and India as a force .They are amongest the best in the world.Every major conflict......they are there with us.............Kosovo,Afghanistan,Iraq to name a few.Guarded old Harry in Afghan if you notice .
They deserve better treatment than we are giving them.They are our equals in every way and deserve equal pay and pensions and our thanks and respect in the bargin . | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 3:51:59 PM | | Yet another nu labour way of saving money, by shafting the soldiers brave enough to fight for us, putting immigrants in mud huts might not be a bad idea :) | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 4:31:52 PM | Personally I think a ghurka's essential to a good Maccy D, although I know there are many who remove them cos they don't like the taste.
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Posted: 4/29/2008 1:19:51 AM |
When they fight for Britain.....they are not in Nepal so Nepal's rate of pay should not apply . Its like saying that we should pay Somali asylumseekers whatever they get in Somalia and give them a hut instead of a council house .
Thats NOT what I was saying ! A question was asked why they join - pay is one of the reasons.
Perhaps you can re-read my post and point out where I said they should be paid Nepal rates of pay ??
I agree they should be paid equally. In fact, have a couple more gurkha regiments - great soldiers. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 1:45:30 AM | Even if we can't "afford" to pay them equally, they should be allowed to stay in the UK and utilise our NHS service. They should also get equal pensions as it's when you leave the army that you need the most support.
I've been shocked recently to discover that injured Gurkha's have real trouble being allowed to use the NHS. Their wives and kids should be housed here, so they can visit, and the wives allowed to work while their husbands are treated. (Their culture is not a "welfare "one, so they'd want to be allowed to work!). They earn their right to British citizenship.
I know our NHS is overloaded, but if we can treat a failed terrorist, and the drunken chav that's just assaulted a nurse on a Friday night we should be able to treat our soldiers.
You fight and get badly injured for Britain and we refuse to treat your wounds? That's disgusting!
Does my head in how the politicians bang on about "equal opportunities" & "human rights" etc, while allowing good people to suffer like this. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 1:52:19 AM | I agree, they have been better British Citizens than many official British Citizens.
However, as much as I appreciate everything they did for us and without getting too political, surely we need to sort out the current state of our country and our own war heroes before we start 'adopting' those from another country.
Just a thought.... | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 2:06:46 AM | See now that's where we vary - I do see them as "our own" war heroes! Though I agree the way we as a society treats our military personnel in general needs addressing pronto.
I also think people like this - highly intelligent, disciplined, hard workers are just what's needed to sort out our country. More people like the Gurkhas and fewer spongers, criminals, and bone idle wasters and the UK will be doing OK again
Contributers, with a high level of personal integrity and honour (old fashioned word that innit?) not chancing takers is what's needed if we are to top the rot. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 4:10:50 AM | | Referendum (Democracy)? | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 4:14:59 AM |
surely we need to sort out the current state of our country and our own war heroes before we start 'adopting' those from another country.
Surely we should have thought of that before building a huge Empire and recruiting soldiers from all over it.
We cannot have it both ways. We cannot just employ the Gurkhas when we need them, then discard them when we are finished with them.
They should pass an Act of Parliament - anybody from any country who serves in the Armed Forces of this country for at least 3 years has earned citizenship.
I believe this applies to the French Foreign Legion - once one has served a set period, one is entitled to French citizenship. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 4:56:33 AM | well said brian
but we as a country dont we would sooner welcome peads,criminal,dealers,rapist,terrorist,parasite,scroungers,than people who would die for this country.
charms
the ghurkas are as much british as the special armed services (sas) the day queen victoria became queen of india and napal that is when the ghurkas became english soldiers there fore as soldier of our nation they should be entitled to the best we can offer our wounded but then we are a country who would rather put a higher priority on money than honour,loyalty,respect and pride. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 5:05:07 AM | Brian,
Please don't get me wrong! All I'm saying is that, yes, these heroes deserve it, but surely we should give them something worthy rather than a country that in the current state it's in will not welcome them.
In particular, the younger generations who do not understand or appreciate what they did for us will only look upon them as being the sponging immigrants that are so often welcomed into our country by the government. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 5:09:01 AM |
In particular, the younger generations who do not understand or appreciate what they did for us will only look upon them as being the sponging immigrants that are so often welcomed into our country by the government.
Only the BNP type eejits.
And that is not reason enough to treat the Gurkhas fairly. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 6:06:09 AM |
Only the BNP type eejits.
Shockingly enough the BNP support citizenship for Ghurkas.
I must say just because the younger generation won't understand isn't enough of a reason to not do something. In fact, that could be a 'teachable moment'. An opportunity to use them as an example of British values, I mean if foreigners can adopt those values and see the merit of something your historical tradition created then doesn't it stand to reason that the native population should too? | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 6:15:35 AM |
In particular, the younger generations who do not understand or appreciate what they did for us will only look upon them as being the sponging immigrants that are so often welcomed into our country by the government.
I kind of object to that. I know full well how much each member state sacrificed, and some are still sacrificing. Look at the likes of Canada, became terribly indebted because it followed the monarchy into a war which had nothing to do with Canada. Over a million Canadian servicemen gave their lives in World wars 1 and 2.
I'm sorry but anyone who's willing to go to war, and die to protect the civil liberties we've come to take for granted, is as worthy of being a British Citizen than anyone born in this country, if not more so. | |
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