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| america - the 4th and final reich
Posted: 4/28/2008 12:23:08 PM | saw this on a foreign policy website
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"come you masters of war
you that build all the guns
you that build the death planes
you that build the big bombs
you that hide behind walls
you that hide behind desks
i just want you to know
i can see through your masks...."
in reviewing the events of the last several years can there be any doubt that america is the embodiment of the fourth reich. in fact since 1945 it has been quite clear that the u.s. has picked up the aims and ideology of nazi germany and taken them to new heights
"....you that never done nothin'
but build to destroy
you play with my world
like it's your little toy
you put a gun in my hand
then you hide from my eyes
and turn and run farther
when the fast bullets fly...."
have any of you ever wondered why from the moment berlin fell in '45 several u.s. generals wanted to push on to moscow? the true aim of re-arming germany during the interwar period was to destroy the soviet union and to rid the european continent of its jews
"....like judas of old
you lie and deceive
a world war can be won
you want me to believe
but I see through your eyes
and I see through your brain
like I see through the water
that runs down my drain...."
in the events that are currently taking place in southwest asia, israel is but a sacrificial pawn (or lamb if you prefer). they've been led to believe that the flames of a war involving syria and iran won't consume them too
HA! the fools
"....you fasten the triggers
for the others to fire
then you set back and watch
when the death count gets higher
you hide in your mansion
as young people's blood
flows out of their bodies
and is buried in the mud...."
listen to the radio and tv talk shows. listen to the hatred and madness that is spoken. read the newspapers and internet blogs that speak of waging the battle for christianity and democracy. hideous monsters one and all
"....you've thrown the worst fear
that can ever be hurled
fear to bring children
into the world
for threatening my baby
unborn and unnamed
you ain't worth the blood
that runs in your veins...."
go to any abortion clinic and speak to the counselors. they'll tell you many a tale of frighten women who don't want to bring a child into this world which they feel is soon to end
"....and I hope that you die
and your death'll come soon
i will follow your casket
in the pale afternoon
and I'll watch while you're lowered
down to your deathbed
and I'll stand o'er your grave
until I'm sure that you're dead"
those of you who are so smug and think america will be the true 1000 year reich, remember what happened to the third | |
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| america - the 4th and final reich
Posted: 4/28/2008 12:36:18 PM |
those of you who are so smug and think america will be the true 1000 year reich, remember what happened to the third
Yeah, we smoked them. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 12:56:33 PM | yeah because america bashing is so cool! kinda like wearing a che guevara t shirt to show how hip and down with the cause you are at protest rallies.
4th reich. comparing the US to Nazi Germany. wow, guy, going for some really new material, i see. Listen, if you hate the country so much, get the hell out. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 1:19:22 PM | | people it's not about you so why get so defensive ? you see what your government is doing every day and it's getting worse all the time so why defend the liars and warmongers in the whitehouse? they don't defend you ? they take your money and take your children to die for their only greedy reasons and you defend them ? what is wrong with you people ? open your eyes already! same thing is happening in Canada just not on such a rediculous scale. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 1:27:08 PM | | Bob Dylan, Masters of War, circa 1974, a protest song about the Viet Nam war. It held up back then, Chimes of Freedom was cool too, back then. Think we could play the tune for Bin Laden, Chavez and Akamadenijad ? | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 1:28:58 PM | | I get offended when we talk of America as a modern day nazi state. I get irate when i hear comparisons of our troops - not in this post- to the SS. Im getting a little fed up with neato **stard slogans and no action. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 1:33:42 PM | yeah because america bashing is so cool! kinda like wearing a che guevara t shirt to show how hip and down with the cause you are at protest rallies.
4th reich. comparing the US to Nazi Germany. wow, guy, going for some really new material, i see. Listen, if you hate the country so much, get the hell out.
Yeah hey! You tell him! All the people who do not want to worship global elites and materialism should just move out, go somewhere else and then we can come and kill you there, seeing as you support a republic and not a corporate owed state.
The o/p probably evens respects General Butler, you know the war hero who learned he wasn't actually serving the people of the nation that he loved, he was actually being paid by the people to abet corps(e), I mean corporations to further debase their lives and steal their wealth. I am sure you know better then to be grateful for such a man and his work to alert people of the dangers they were facing then and now. Imagine that, General Butler, his estate was worth $2k upon his death, his work during the wars did not pay as well as it did for the likes of the Bush family and other fascist leaning people.
What a fool he was hey, his family, if he had helped the fascists in the US carryout their coup, he would have been a God among men, what a fool hey! No wonder fascists/socialists and their like despise such a man, he was a traitor to corporate. I am already sure you are aware of his work and by the spirit of your words, you truly do not respect General Butler nor would you heed his words nor learn from the events that have been stricken from the corporate run educational system.
Imagine that, a war hero, who gets a job under the guise of serving the nation, finds out it is all a sham, then works with those whom the corps(e), I mean corporations, told him were enemies of the corps(e) to stop the coup.
Yeah, those damn republic haters, bashing corps(e) and their agenda.
People are the problem that people face, not corporations with aspirations to turn the republic of people into a fascist state.
You go girl, tell people how much they owe the corporations that were stifled during the last depression that they manipulated into being upon the people.
Don;t you just wish all those people who want to be people would leave the republic as the republic of people is best served by corporations and the global elites, we must not forget how much people owe the European elites and their inbred families living today.
Yep, you keep on telling people to disrespect the advise of hero's like General Butler, DWE, JFK and the many others who unfortunately brought truth forth to people.
Yep, fiat people promoting fiat lifestyles have the best advise for people.
Anyway, the links are below to the information about General Butler. But I am sure since you profess to be so in love with the republic, you may, if you are not aware of the truth of history, you may see the light and see that corporations and their "employees" do not have the best interest of the republic nor the people at heart.
To those who proclaim we must fear people rather then corporations, please report your opinion of the following as you sure put so much weight into what you perceive or are fed as truth, try some real food for thought, you may have something other then fiat information to provide us back. Garbage in, garbage out, you know the story.
In any event, if you truly wish your ego, I mean opinions to carry any weight with people, tell us your thoughts about General Butler or are you a promoter of Anti-Truthism, another one of those anti-Truthites?
I can't wait to hear you shills for kills start to slander this man.
Truly, fascists hate him, the department of education even feels that it is not in the interests of the people to recount this chapter in history which shows them for what they are!
Tell us all of your love for him and his love for people and the republic and then prove to us that you are sincere when providing your opinion which you push rather then present.
pt 1 http://youtube.com/watch?v=dlC5IiKikJ0
pt 2 http://youtube.com/watch?v=TiQh1_rYw9w
pt 3 http://youtube.com/watch?v=g0xsU_0LKco
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Posted: 4/28/2008 1:56:00 PM | AngelKing, knock it off with the "love it or leave it" bullshit.
That shit is sooooo 1968.
Drives me up a wall to hear more idiots saying those words.... damn. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 1:58:09 PM | | Don't forget the germans were just following orders as well. Just regular people being recruited to do it's countries bidding, sound familiar ? | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 2:27:34 PM | no steven
I won't knock it off. what im saying is not 'love it or leave it.' what im saying is a little deeper than that. what it means is this - if you're just going to run around with the little rah rah speeches about the evils of america and how evil corporations are, Im going to reserve my right to ridicule you and exercise that right.
simply put - the che guevara stuff is sooooooo 1990 and its boring. it bores the hell out of me because its more bellyaching with no actual plan for change. Its like being locked in the car with that guy who complains about traffic and whats on the radio to no end.
either lead, follow or get the hell out of the way.
as to the America bashing - i am beyond aggravated with it all. fundamentally, my country is a good country with some screw ups - that however does not call for or demand a change from the top down into some socialist utopia that can never exist. sure, there are screw ups - but that doesnt mean all of the government is bad, that all the military is bad and that all corporations are inherintly evil.
I get annoyed at this wannabe anarchist talk. all those old hippies from the 60s? where are they now? working or retiring from those corporations they once so despised. | |
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| america - the 4th and final reich
Posted: 4/28/2008 7:25:19 PM |
if you hate my country so much, nothing is keeping you here.
Passing this message on to angel from respondent:
Now we know who owns it!
Tells us, what do you think of General Butler?
What advise do you give us lowly peasants in regards to what he and others found and proved?
Do tell, you say you have the people's best interest at heart and you own the country, do you own the people as well?
Please help us, watch the videos, they are disturbing to fascists, some images and words are detrimental to that which owns and sells men and profits from the blood, sweat and tears of those who make up a republic/nation of and by the people.
You surely must have something to say about this most important aspect of history.
Tell us of your love for General Butler or slander him and debase his work, just like you debase all aspects of life.
Watch the video, reply here, tell us your opinion of this highly decorated General?
Are you saying he is a liar? He has fabricated this as did the committee that enacted the fines and the others who accepted the bribes and saw that the information given to people, was debased and actually made out to be unworthy of teaching in our schools.
I am sure you will have the answer that we the people need or you may feel moved to insult me, in any event, we truly wish to know what you are all about. You say fear that one, fear that, buy this, buy that, that is lie that is fact. you seem as you have all the answers.
Come on, I invite you to dinner, we will feast on truth, it is so good, you will like it, try it! Fiatism is on its way out, real is in! Many love the Sears made nylon Poncho's but in truth, they are not real ponchos. I guess some people accept fake as real and even live to promote it as being better. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 8:26:18 PM | It use to upset me... get me all riled up to see posts as the OP started here.
THEN......................... I remember..........................................................
It's a PC thing (being politically correct...fadish.. fashionable) and I was never PC unless it was something I held true beliefs in... rather than being in a crowd screaming and yelling for whatever ..... just because.
Oh my... look at the big ole bad USA... it's the youngest Nation on Earth and yet it is to blame for the woes of the World............................ reminds me of the 'family' situation where the older siblings do the real damage and point the finger towards the youngest as the cause.  | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 10:16:20 PM | people it's not about you so why get so defensive ? you see what your government is doing every day and it's getting worse all the time so why defend the liars and warmongers in the whitehouse? they don't defend you ? they take your money and take your children to die for their only greedy reasons and you defend them ? what is wrong with you people ? open your eyes already! same thing is happening in Canada just not on such a rediculous scale.
You're right, it's not about us, it's not about oil or greed either, it's about transformation of the Middle East which many people don't have the ability or desire to visualize...because the results are not immediate. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 11:14:06 PM | it's about transformation of the Middle East which many people don't have the ability or desire to visualize
And somehow you feel the US government has this right ? why ? Did they suddenly become the rulers and dictators of foreign policy of the world in your view ? The war is undeclared and illegal ( undeniably ), everyone that has died there died for nothing ( including the US men and women ) so technically they were all murdered by the US government.
Do you honestly believe the things in your head ? | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 12:35:40 AM | I find this thread quite interesting, especially now when the parallels of the economics of the failing Veimar Republic and the present economic condition of the US are so obvious. That is another book altogether. I am not going to deeply enter this discussion at this point, but I did want to present a quote which seems to be a guidepost to the US government since WWII. MAKE NO MISTAKE I LOVE THIS COUNTRY, but I think our government, as a whole has numerous, gigantic shortcomings.
A republic should make only partial peace. One must always have some little war in reserve, to keep up the military spirit.
Napoleon | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 6:24:57 AM | And somehow you feel the US government has this right ? why ? Did they suddenly become the rulers and dictators of foreign policy of the world in your view ?
- as superpower with the largest nuclear capacity, the US certainly does have the right and a duty to her citizenry to maintain that status and protect them from all possible threats. the middle east is a wreck and yes, if it means us getting involved to stabilize the situation, we most certainly can and will impose our presence in our own self intersts.
The war is undeclared and illegal ( undeniably ),
> thus far not according to US law.
everyone that has died there died for nothing ( including the US men and women )
> I want you to tell that to a dead marine's family. he did not die for nothing.
so technically they were all murdered by the US government.
> gotta love the hyperbole of the word 'murder' here. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 11:17:23 AM | "we most certainly can and will impose our presence in our own self interests."
Cmon, Cmon you can't believe this. This is exactly what the problem is. U.S self interests and American policies over rule any other international law. So lets just say that the the main goal of the administration is to obtain and seize control of the middle east for oil, for arguments sake. Is this an acceptable reason to go to war? To control the resources of a foreign country despite the countless deaths of innocents and your own troops. Only to further your own agenda. That is self interest. It's also a self interest to allow colleagues to obtain billion dollar war contracts and funnel tax payer money into such corporations. This is an example of self interest.
So you believe the U.S reserve the right to invade and go to war for such reasons? Such a stupid argument because they can intend anything to be "self interests" and justify it by your reasoning. You want to support such a government?
and you must be delusional to believe this statement.
"the US certainly does have the right and a duty to her citizenry"
they give a rats ass about you and the citizenry. they have a duty to their lobbyists and to the corporations for which they sit on. maximize profits anyway they can, what better way to do it then to manipulate the government and laws. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 11:45:16 AM | @ angel
Thanks for civility! Peace be yours, or war be yours should be the proper blessing to bestow to you.
I have addressed this question to other war mongers who claim we need to go after a few rogue people within a nation because the few are conspiring to kill us all.
You said to me that I should not base my considerations of corporate, either corporate armies or corporations based upon a few bad apples.
That people need not worry about corporate enterprises even if a few bad apples exist within the economy of almost every sector of industry and more all around the world.
But your mindset says, we should sacrifice the lives of innocent people for sake of a few bad apples (AL CIA "DA) who our money trained and you and those you support sold us on doing it, for the good of the people and the nation. You do know, you people are actually batting .000 when we review true history related to war much which is available through a past heroic leader within your industry, General Butler.
Now how come millions of innocent people die for sake of a few bad apples but you say, let corps(e) reign, do not judge them on the past and present work of their evil kin within the global economy. But your mindset says, attack and destroy even upon assumption and opinion and this is to attack and kill innocent people as a result of your chasing a few bad apples.
This is very biased thinking on your part and truthfully anyone who is pro-war needs to provide their opinion of General Butler and his report about the fascist coup that would have destroyed the constitution and seen 500k citizens/vets were to be led by General Butler to create and maintain a fascist state with a dictator as the leader of the nation that was once a republic of and by the people.
The fear mongering over a few rogue clients of your machines and then the oh but don't worry about a few evil corporations, there are some that are innocent so we should not go there, this is very telling.
Once again I ask, what is your opinion of General Butler and his information?
Do you support him, a highly decorated hero of your war machine? Do you give any credence to his words, his testimony?
If you say or feel he is liar, tell us why?
And if you tell us not to heed his words and accept that global corporations, owned by the global power elite are not friend but fiend, what is your proof that the corps(e) such as Citibank, Standard Oil, Mainstream Media, those who run the federal reserve are now change from evil to good, people loving corps(e)?
All war wishers should answer this, tell us your sentiments about the facts from history and tell us why you would heed the words of those who do not go to war (they are chicken hawks) over the words a man who led others to toil within your war industry has to say.
Ignoring this as well as pro-war people echo posting between each other, to congratulate each other for being pro-corps(e) will not remove the fact that you will not address this question.
If you refuse to answer, tell us why you will not offer up opinion which seems to be your life blood, here is your chance once again to give all the facts to us lowly peasants.
Thank you for being civil, believe me, I am trying really hard. My family has lost many lives, potential wealth to your war industry, generally with the belief that what they do is for the benefit of people. Your past leader says different, what do you have to say about that?
Thanks all for participating as in these times, it is not wise to neglect to investigate every nook and cranny that is offered up as evidence.
Much of the work of war mongers seems to act upon assumption, drum up support and work to deflect investigation that reveals/finds fact.
You know that prejudice prior to investigation is ignorance, do you know this? You seem to have us right where you want us as if all the evidence is not allowed to be discussed, we are merely participating in a sales promotion for war.
Cheers!
ps/ Thanks oneblend for posting my reply, I was hoping to hear feedback, but I will wait, I am sure those who bang war drums, professing to be of and for the people want to review all the evidence that is available. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 12:23:27 PM | I am being serious when I request for somone to define what is war mongering and what is not. Where is the line which defines one from the other. When does one start the process of saying war is ok?
Is it before or after a terrorist busts down your door and rapes your women and kills the men?
Is it before or after a 'hanging chad' is the least of one's problems because there is no longer ANY right to vote or voice disagreements with one's government?
Also, let's put a scenario up. If another Nation... say Canada or England or France, etc. is attacked in a situation similar to 9/11. Would they request the USA to be on alert to back em up just in case? Would they turn to the USA for it's military might? Does the USA get a
temporary pass from being the '4th reich' and being an allied force?
Just curious if a true unbiased response can be given to the above questions. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 1:02:28 PM | "Is it before or after a terrorist busts down your door and rapes your women and kills the men?"
are you referring to Vietnam? oh i thought you were... and I would be hard pressed to think they busted any door down. Remember the government stated that a bunch of terrorists hijacked a bunch of planes with box cutters and were able to avoid any radar allowing them to crash the planes. Perhaps the door was left unlocked. Oh is that a conspiracy theory or are people just being naive?
And I don't think a country would need to request anything. I would think the U.S would use the opportunity to do whatever they please. You know self interests. See angel for details.
War mongering? maybe to use force as the primary means to obtain your objective, including self interests. | |
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