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 timenough123

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Posted: 4/30/2008 2:23:39 PM
There are two unarguable truths that can things that can be gleaned from the debacle surrounding Obama and his big mouth buddy Wright.
One is that Obama is a liar. He was intimately aware of Wrights rants from years of attending church, and his belated protestations of ignorance were disgusting.
Secondly is that he has shown astonishingly poor judgement in his choice of friends and affiliations and should be nowhere near the most powerful position in the world.

We have had to suffer through the worst presidency in US history for the last 8 years.
Lets not make the same mistake and vote in another turkey.
Vote for anyone but him.
 *thebestguyhere*

Joined: 3/30/2008
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Posted: 4/30/2008 5:36:37 PM
whether or not he wants to be associated the reverend mostly tells it like it "really" is.
 timenough123

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Posted: 4/30/2008 5:59:09 PM
--whether or not he wants to be associated the reverend mostly tells it like it "really" is.--

Really now. The US government is part of a vast conspiracy that imports
drugs into the black community and engineered AIDS to kill blacks.
What color is the sky in your world?
Wright counts on the lunatic fringe and I can see he wont be dissapointed.
 Outdoor2

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Posted: 4/30/2008 6:13:51 PM
It is well documented that the CIA has, from time to time, imported cocaine for domestic supply in order to glean profits that they then use for other operations. They've admitted as much. Which makes one wonder....what haven't they admitted to?
 grog27

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Posted: 4/30/2008 6:22:57 PM
Is this shit the sort of stuff that passes for "intelligent political commentary" on the forums now?!?! What a joke!!!
Get a f**kin' LIFE, man!!
Come back when you can post a thread with at least a minimum of thought behind it! Until then, please leave political topics to the grown-ups.

Bye!!
 *thebestguyhere*

Joined: 3/30/2008
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Posted: 4/30/2008 8:17:49 PM
Really now. The US government is part of a vast conspiracy that imports
drugs into the black community and engineered AIDS to kill blacks.

basically yes among many very worse things. Some people need to take a closer look at the people they trust and then take a good close look at the condition of your country before making decisions about who is decieving who ?
 nipoleon

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Posted: 4/30/2008 9:14:13 PM
If you can find Jesus Christ and get him to run for President, then get him and I'll vote for him myself. Until that time we are stuck with regular human beings for our politicians. We can't find a candidate who's lived in a cave as a hermit his whole life.
This is a perfect example of the silliness of our political process.
Why aren't they talking about issues, policies, opinions ?
They don't want to, that's why. They can't win doing that.
 a bit nomadic

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Posted: 4/30/2008 9:40:10 PM
^^^^ true, but it's not Obama who is driving the Wright story.

I think that the politicians are culpable in driving down the level of political discourse, but in a sense that's at least in part because the way our media works doesn't really allow for reasoned discussion about important things. That takes TIME, attention spans, and more than 20-second sound bites. And the last Clinton/Obama debate i Pennsylvania was a perfect example of how little pundits think of American voters and what we REALLY want to hear about.
 shieldvulf

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Posted: 4/30/2008 9:43:09 PM
Let's remember, while it's true the Rev. Wright said "God damn America," once that I know of, his peers, the Right Revs Robertson and Falwell among others, have said many times that America is damned, that America was punished for our wickedness by gawd awrighty with 9/11, Hurricane Katrina, and other divine retributions. The Rev Wright, by calling for that judgment to come, is far less offensive than saying it already has and hooray for gawd for kicking our ass.

Perhaps more to the point, Robertson and Falwell claim to know the mind of gawd. They tell us what the divine intended, what gets the divine's panties in a bunch. Wright speaks for himself, as far as I can tell. That makes R and F the big, fat liars and blasphemers, doesn't it?

I particularly enjoy watching the several bloviates on FALSE NOISE who happen to be Catholic, going on and on about how the Christian thing to do, when you hear about something in your church you don't approve of, you get up and leave! Like Billo or any of his ilken never heard any rumors of priests with candy. No, if they had ever heard about child molesting priests, they would have gotten up and left! It's not like it was ever in the news or anything.

And anyway, do you take any political cues from your padre? Do you take spiritual counsel from your Congressman, too? When was the last time you cared what goes on in a church you never heard of?

Nobody will change their mind or their vote over this, you know? It is so not about anything.

Cheers!

Vulf
 cotter

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Posted: 5/1/2008 5:37:43 PM

Nobody will change their mind or their vote over this, you know? It is so not about anything.
Well shucks "vulf ... and here I thought this might finally get him out of the running.

I have my own reasons for not wanting Obama to be the candidate ... won't go into it here ... just was hoping this would get the job done and we'd be rid of him.
 timj82

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Posted: 5/1/2008 5:56:35 PM
If you can find Jesus Christ and get him to run for President, then get him and I'll vote for him myself.


I think Jesus Christ would lose the election
 trubblemakr

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Posted: 5/1/2008 6:10:56 PM
lol what makes u think jesus christ would want anything to do with the united states and its history of mass murder genocide,supoorting terrorists, creation of terrorist cells etc
the list is endless
i highly doubt christs kingdom , when it does come, will resemble anythign evenly remotely similiar to the crap us humans have created for ourselves

at least mr wright is completely correct and telling the truth, which is alot more than one can say about the other pretenders
i say vote for Mr Wright!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

personally tho on the original topic
i wouldnt recommend voting for any of the existing parties
i say have a new election and disqualify the existing parasites
they only ran because they were both part of minority groups
your choices are.
1 an ex presidents disgruntled wife
2, an african american who is even whiter than i am
now if they also added an oriental and a homsexual
hmm i wonder how many trillions the next president will steal and put usa into further debt

this would darn near be a total wipeout as far as politics goes and would simply be a total minority election
 EarlzP

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Posted: 5/1/2008 6:50:59 PM
I wonder from out of obscurity comes the reverend just in time to cast a shadow of doubt over Senator Obama, a shadow that might be enough to keep Senator Obama from being the first minority to hold the office of president, sorry it just seems to be self defeating does it not?

Our country is in trouble I am going to listen to the candidates not just to what they say but the way they say it, the emotion the desire the fire in their words
 *thebestguyhere*

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Posted: 5/1/2008 6:54:52 PM

I wouldnt recommend voting for any of the existing parties
i say have a new election and disqualify the existing parasites
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcrQIhDjlnY
 Ur Xoxo

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Posted: 5/1/2008 7:21:16 PM
OP,

Wright's meltdown is not Obama's, but it did cause him to refute his pastor's ego driven outburst. IMHO... the pain shown on Barack's face, as he was distancing himself from the remarks, was truly genuine. I believe he was/is in conflict with Wright since the beginning of their tumultuous relationship.

One should not believe everything a man of the cloth says or believes.
They are after all just mortal men, also capable of disillusionment.

"We have had to suffer through the worst presidency in US history for the last 8 years.
Lets not make the same mistake and vote in another turkey."

Well that is debatable, but I'll go along with him being a turkey... that can not fly.

Barack Obama has shown he can stand up to his pastor, the media, and racism. If he does not win this election he will be back for another round.

Hoping the USA,
sees the light
in the darkness.
 shieldvulf

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Posted: 5/2/2008 8:56:16 AM
OK, I've thought it 0ver, and cotter? That's a little creepy. In the first place, "we" don't want to be "rid" of Senator Obama. That's a weirdly presumptuous tone to take. What "we" do you presume to speak for?

And in the first first place, Why did you go to so much trouble to mention your strong reaction to the man, only to decline to name it? You go to all that trouble to not tell us something? What is that?

I enjoy your posts, c, even your more aggressive remarks, like these. Maybe I'm just unsettled to be your target for a change. Or, maybe that conspiratorial wink strikes me funny, since I can't make out what our conspiracy is.

Cheers!

Vulf
 WarmthNpassion

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Posted: 5/2/2008 12:14:20 PM
Barack Obama is a first term Senator from Illinois with absolutely no record of achieving anything in his political career. He has for the majority of his term been running for President. It seems to me that his total lack of achievement has more to do with not voting for him than his lying about anything. I’m pretty sure there is not a lot Hillary can do at this point to win anyway. So, do we vote for a Republican again which would validate all the harm Bush has done to this country? Frankly, I don’t see that any of the candidates are worthy of being President. I may just end up writing in “Ron Paul” when election day comes.
 blackprince

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Posted: 5/4/2008 1:11:45 AM
I read this in a interracial forum that i belong to and i thought it was so insightful and written well (wish i could write this well ) that i had to post it, can i have some feed back on it.


To The Editor:

As a 78 year old American of African descent, I
feel compelled to respond to all this "much ado about nothing" when it
comes to the statement that Michelle Obama made about the fact that this
is the first time in her adult life that she has been proud to be an
American.

The country needs to hear this from the Black
perspective.

Long before I was born, my grandfather Joseph
Burleson, owned a considerable amount of land in oil rich Texas. Because
during that era, Blacks could not vote, nor could they contest anything
in the courts of the United States, my grandfather's land was STOLEN by
his White neighbor. My grandfather, who was literate and better educated
than my grandmother, drove to town. Seeing my grandfather leave, the
covetous neighbor asked my grandmother to show him the deed to the
property. He snatched it. She could not insist that he give it back, nor
could she have reported this THEFT to the sheriff because of the fact
that Blacks had no rights in the 1800's. The prevailing law at that time
was he who held the deed owned the land. Do you think that is something
that I am PROUD OF? Right now I should be living off the oil and gas
royalties.

In 1934 when my dad drove us to Texas to meet
his family, when he stopped to purchase gasoline, his daughters and wife
were not allowed to use the washroom. As a man it was easier for his to
relieve himself in the bushes, but not for the females. We were,
however, reduced to having to go in the bushes, also. Do you think I am
PROUD OF THAT?

In 1938 when my oldest sister went to enroll in
Hyde Park High School, she was told by the counselor that she did not
want to take college preparatory courses, she wanted to study domestic
science. Do you think I'm PROUD OF THAT? Of course, when Beatrice
Lillian Hurley-Burleson went to school the next day, that was the last
time anyone thought that the Burleson girls wanted to study domestic
science.

When in 1943 my parents attempted to buy the 2
flat at 5338 South Kenwood, where we had lived since 1933, in Hyde Park,
Chicago, IL we were told that we could not buy it because there was a
restrictive covenant that said that the property was never to be sold to
"Negroes." Do you think I am PROUD OF THAT?

In 1950 when I graduated from college, I was
unable to get a job because I was considered "overqualified." the code
word for they would not hire me because of my race. All of the want ads
called for Japanese Americans or Neisis ( the word given to Japanese
Americans at that time). Do you think that was something that I should
have been PROUD OF? I understood that America was trying to make up for
the interring of innocent and patriotic Americans who were our enemy by
association.

My cousin's barbershop was bombed in Mississippi
in the 50's because he was encouraging Black people to register to vote.
His wife who had earned a Masters Degree from Northwestern University
lost her position as the principal of the local school because of the
voter registration activities. Is that something I should be PROUD OF?

Now we get to Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the pastor
of the Obama family. Rev. Wright like so many religious zealots
overstates many things, that many of his members do not agree with. To
suggest that Senator Obama should leave the church of his choice is not
only a double standard, but it is absurd. Would any of the talking heads
who are so alarmed by Rev. Wright's thoughts and speeches suggest that
Catholics should abandon their faith or denounce and reject the Pope
because so many priests have molested children. These children were
exploited and taken advantage of and they had no choice to even know
they could resist, reject and denounce. To me the situations are
parallel, except for the fact that the priests behavior is a physical
violation of the innocence of children who are marred for life; and the
priests behavior is a crime. Rev. Wright's speechesare just words, that
one can listen to or not, the members have a choice. Should Governor
Romney denounce and reject the Mormon Church because some of their
members practice polygamy?

As Senator Obama has previously stated, we have
entered the silly season.

Barack Obama is an adult, and most importantly,
he is an exceptionally intelligent adult. Like most of us adults,
fortunately, we do not accept all we hear or see. If we did, the world
would be more amoral, debased and perverted than the world of today is.

I see all these "so called" ponderings an
attempt to marginalize the candidacy of Senator Barack Obama. I cannot
truly call this racism because some ignorant Blacks have also spoken
disparagingly about him.

I accept this as the darker side of mankind who
because of their own inadequacies, they project their deficiencies on
others. Barack Obama is a very rare individual, the likes of whom the
world seldom sees. Like most geniuses, they are often misunderstood.
They are objects of envy and jealousy. They are suspect because they
soar above the average man who does not have the intellectual ability to
understand the greatness of special people. They are also targets to be
pulled down to the level of the mediocre who cannot stand to see an
individual with deep convictions and high standards.

We have not seen a phenomena like Barack Obama
in many years and many generations. Like Ghanda, like Jesus, like
Einstein, like Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., like Mother Theresa,
genetically, intellectually and spiritually, these people offer the
world so much, but they are often maligned and misunderstood.

Barack Obama is a Christian in the true sense of
the word. A true Christian loves his fellow man unconditionally. A true
Christian wants the best and tries to bring out the best in his fellow
man. A true Christian wants to unite and bring the world together in
peace and harmony. This is what Senator Obama stands for; but,
unfortunately, he has had to get off point to answer these false
charges, innuendoes, and just plain lies.

We are in the presence of an angel unaware in
Senator Barack Obama; and this country needs him, more than he needs us.
He is the only person at this time in history who can restore respect
for America with the worlds' people. Because of his family background,
the influence of his beloved mother who instilled great values in him,
the influence of his absent father who vicariously inspired a son to go
to Harvard as the father had done, the influence of a minister who
brought him to an understanding of the value and meaning of
Christianity, the influence of a brilliant Harvard educated wife who
inspires him and keeps him grounded; he is the epitome of a citizen of
the world. He is of the world because the world is in him; and this is
what America needs to bring us out of the abyss to which we have sunk in
the eyes of the world.

Like, Michelle Obama, after living in this
country all of my 78 years, loving my country and not understanding why
my country has not loved me, I now for the first time in my adult life
feel PROUD OF MY COUNTRY because I sense a maturing, a recognition of
talent and character, and not color, and a field of candidates aspiring
to lead this nation coming from very diverse backgrounds of gender,
religious beliefs, national origin, ethnicity, age and experiences. This
to me is the HOPE that America is coming into her own and will begin to
CHANGE and will embrace the philosophy upon which this country was
founded, where all men are created equal and are entitled to life,
liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Now I truly believe, YES WE CAN!

For further information:

Contact: Helen L. Burleson, Doctor of Public
Administration

(708)747-0919
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 5/4/2008 2:06:54 AM

Secondly is that he has shown astonishingly poor judgement in his choice of friends and affiliations and should be nowhere near the most powerful position in the world.


And the other two spent all their time working with Mother Theresa ? You'll hear about all those later on, if Obama's not the prime target from both sides.

Diogenes could walk all the way across the Beltway, and never stop once.

Obama meltdown ?

What surprises me the most is that he hasn't "melted down". It shows a pretty rationale approach to what he's been exposed to, and is a good sign of the type of thing a leader needs to have.

He could easily go negative on Clinton, and drop to her level.

If he did that, in the same way she has, it would just draw people's attention away from the real issues that face the country. That's gone on for too long, and you can see the result when you look around you.

That's what this election should be about, and what it must be about, if you want to find solutions to what America faces right now. those solutions aren't going to be found with all your political candidates kneeing each other in the groin.

So he's chosen the one path that is best for the nation, if not the best for him. That's actually a refreshing change, from anything in the last two decades or so seen in American politics.

Finally, someone's doing what leaders should do.

As I said in another thread, he's the target of the same people that brought you where you are now, and the smart person will ask themselves why they should be trusted anymore.

Think about that for a while, and think about some of the ideas he's proposing in his platform - the one you've neglected to read because you've bought into the hype.

Look at who will gain with those platforms, and who will lose.

Do that, and the reasons for the attacks are quite clear to see.
 D_lily

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Posted: 5/4/2008 2:21:03 AM
I have alot of reasons why I don't want Barack as President none of them are because he's black.....He's just down right dishonest about the most everything, yet claims to be different, a truth is the light kinda guy wrong. Please take time and read these links.


1} Big oil Money: By Ken Dilanian, USA TODAY

It's accurate that Obama doesn't take money from oil companies; neither do his opponents, because corporate contributions are illegal. But Obama, like Clinton and John McCain, has accepted donations from oil and gas company employees — $222,309 in Obama's case from donors from Exxon, Shell, Chevron and others, according to campaign-finance data. Two oil company CEOs have pledged to raise at least $50,000 each as part of Obama's fundraising team.

Link: http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-04-15-obamainside_N.htm


2} Lobbyist Money: By Ken Dilanian, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — Barack Obama often boasts he is "the only candidate who isn't taking a dime from Washington lobbyists," yet his fundraising team includes 38 members of law firms that were paid $138 million last year to lobby the federal government, records show.
Those lawyers, including 10 former federal lobbyists, have pledged to raise at least $3.5 million for the Illinois senator's presidential race. Employees of their firms have given Obama's campaign $2.26 million, a USA TODAY analysis of campaign finance data shows.

Here is the link: http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-04-15-obama_N.htm


3} Why Chicago?
By Larry JohnsoncloseAuthor: Larry Johnson Name: Larry Johnson
Email: larry_johnson@earthlink.net
Site: http://NoQuarterUSA.net
About: Larry C. Johnson is CEO and co-founder of BERG Associates, LLC, an international business-consulting firm with expertise combating terrorism and investigating money laundering. Mr. Johnson works with US military commands in scripting terrorism exercises, briefs on terrorist trends, and conducts undercover investigations on counterfeiting, smuggling and money laundering. Mr. Johnson, who worked previously with the Central Intelligence Agency and U.S. State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism, is a recognized expert in the fields of terrorism, aviation security, crisis and risk management. Mr. Johnson has analyzed terrorist incidents for a variety of media including the Jim Lehrer News Hour, National Public Radio, ABC's Nightline, NBC's Today Show, the New York Times, CNN, Fox News, and the BBC. Mr. Johnson has authored several articles for publications, including Security Management Magazine, the New York Times, and The Los Angeles Times. He has lectured on terrorism and aviation security around the world, including the Center for Research and Strategic Studies at the Ecole Polytechnique in Paris, France. He represented the U.S. Government at the July 1996 OSCE Terrorism Conference in Vienna, Austria. From 1989 until October 1993, Larry Johnson served as a Deputy Director in the U.S. State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism. He managed crisis response operations for terrorist incidents throughout the world and he helped organize and direct the US Government’s debriefing of US citizens held in Kuwait and Iraq, which provided vital intelligence on Iraqi operations following the 1990 invasion of Kuwait. Mr. Johnson also participated in the investigation of the terrorist bombing of Pan Am 103. Under Mr. Johnson’s leadership the U.S. airlines and pilots agreed to match the US Government’s two million-dollar reward. From 1985 through September 1989 Mr. Johnson worked for the Central Intelligence Agency. During his distinguished career, he received training in paramilitary operations, worked in the Directorate of Operations, served in the CIA’s Operation’s Center, and established himself as a prolific analyst in the Directorate of Intelligence. In his final year with the CIA he received two Exceptional Performance Awards. Mr. Johnson is a member of the American Society for Industrial Security. He taught at The American University’s School of International Service (1979-1983) while working on a Ph.D. in political science. He has a M.S. degree in Community Development from the University of Missouri (1978), where he also received his B.S. degree in Sociology, graduating Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa in 1976.See Authors Posts (590) on April 15, 2008 at 12:50 PM in Current Affairs

It just does not make sense. Why does Barack move to Chicago after law school? He has hidden this part of his past and frankly, if you are hiding something there is usually a reason and the reason ain’t good. You have a reason to move to a particular city or state. Let me illustrate what I mean. I was raised in Independence, Missouri. I left home to attend the University of Missouri. After getting my Master’s degree I returned to Independence briefly then wound up in Honduras working on a community development project. I came back from Honduras and decided to pursue a Ph.D. I was accepted at American University in Washington, D.C. I moved to Washington and have been in the Washington metro area, off and on, since 1979.

So I return to the question. Why does Barack wind up in Chicago? Here’s a guy who is at the top of the heap at Harvard’s Law School as the head of the Law Review, who could reasonably be expected to earn huge dollars in New York, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, or Boston and he spurns all of these to go to work in Chicago? Why?

There is no family tie that we know of. How about a college roommate? His two books do not explain this. Why my interest? I find it odd that this guy goes to Chicago and becomes part of a circle of folks who are known for politics best described as radical left. Any thoughts?

Answer: That being The Black Labor Activist, Journalist and Poet, FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS, 1905-1987..Who moved to Hawaii in 1948…Frank was a very well know activist in Chicago..

4} Fund rasiers:
Shady Islamic fund-raiser Hatem El-Hady dedicated himself to raising cash for the Democrat Party and supporting Barack Obama.

Patrick Poole at Front Page Magazine reported on El-Hady’s efforts earlier this week.

Two years ago, Hatem El-Hady was the chairman of the Toledo, Ohio-based Islamic charity, Kindhearts, which was closed by the US government in February 2006 for terrorist fundraising and all its assets frozen. Today, El-Hady has redirected his fundraising efforts for his newest cause - Barack Obama for President.

El-Hady has his own dedicated page on Barack Obama’s official website, chronicling his fundraising on behalf of the Democratic Party presidential candidate (his Obama profile established on February 19, 2008 - two years to the day after Kindhearts was raided by the feds). Not only that, but he has none other than Barack Obama’s wife, Michelle Obama, listed as one of his friends (one of her 224 listed friends).


Here is the link: http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/04/28/terrorist-fundraisers-for-obama/


3} Really What is the truth here?

His mother made him a christian:

It dosen't really mean anything except he's not being truthful.


Obama was aksed if he was a christian

His mother was an atheist: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/22/531492.aspx

This was reported by msnbc:



"My father was from Kenya,” he said, “and a lot of people in his village were Muslim. He didn’t practice Islam. Truth is he wasn’t very religious. He met my mother. My mother was a Christian from Kansas, and they married and then divorced. I was raised by my mother. So, I’ve always been a Christian. The only connection I’ve had to Islam is that my grandfather on my father’s side came from that country. But I’ve never practiced Islam."

More: "For a while, I lived in Indonesia because my mother was teaching there. And that’s a Muslim country. And I went to school. But I didn’t practice. But what I do think it does is it gives me insight into how these folks think, and part of how I think we can create a better relationship with the Middle East and that would help make us safer is if we can understand how they think about issues."

"But I'm a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ and have been there 15 years," Obama added.

But the woman who asked the question still wasn't satisfied. She asked Obama to "define what a Christian is."

"Somebody who believes in Jesus Christ as our lord and savior," the senator responded.

"I'm so glad to hear that," she said.

Any other discussion of religion was quickly put to a close by campaign staffers, who ushered in a ruddy-cheeked little girl to talk with Obama.





This was an interview from his sister: http://www.africaresource.com/content/view/489/68/




Your mom has been described as an atheist.


I wouldn’t have called her an atheist. She was an agnostic. She basically gave us all the good books — the Bible, the Hindu Upanishads and the Buddhist scripture, the Tao Te Ching — and wanted us to recognize that everyone has something beautiful to contribute.

You didn’t mention the Koran in that list, although Indonesia is the most populous Muslim country in the world.


I should have mentioned the Koran. Mom didn’t really emphasize the Koran, but we read little parts of it. We did listen to morning prayers in Indonesia.

Are you worried about mentioning Islam because it has already been evoked by negative campaigners trying to tarnish your brother?

I’m not worried. I don’t want to deny Islam. I think it’s obviously very important that we have an understanding of Islam, a better understanding. At the same time, it has been erroneously attached to my brother. The man has been a Christian for 20 years.







This is what his mother's story is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham



Dunham's best friend in high school has said that she "touted herself as an atheist, and it was something she'd read about and could argue."[5] In his 1995 memoir Dreams from My Father Barack Obama wrote, "My mother's confidence in needlepoint virtues depended on a faith I didn't possess... In a land [Indonesia] where fatalism remained a necessary tool for enduring hard-ship... she was a lonely witness for secular humanism, a soldier for New Deal, Peace Corps, position-paper liberalism."[15] In his 2006 book The Audacity of Hope Obama wrote, "I was not raised in a religious household... My mother's own experiences... only reinforced this inherited skepticism. Her memories of the Christians who populated her youth were not fond ones... And yet for all her professed secularism, my mother was in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I've ever known."[16] However, in 2007 Obama described his mother as "a Christian from Kansas." "I was raised by my mother", he continued. "So, I’ve always been a Christian."[17][18] Also in 2007, he said in a speech, "My mother, whose parents were nonpracticing Baptists and Methodists, was one of the most spiritual souls I ever knew. But she had a healthy skepticism of religion as an institution."[1] Maya Soetoro-Ng, when asked if her mother was an atheist, said, "I wouldn't have called her an atheist. She was an agnostic. She basically gave us all the good books—the Bible, the Hindu Upanishads and the Buddhist scripture, the Tao Te Ching—and wanted us to recognize that everyone has something beautiful to contribute."[19]

I am only pointing out deceptions.......why lie about your mother being an athiest when anyone can read this? So, what is his truth about anything?


4} I just plain out do not like the people that do want him in. Scary.

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/04/20/the-audacity-of-truth-obamas-circle-of-friends-and-support/


It has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with trust. BIG BIG trust issue.
 D_lily

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Yes all politicians lie. Yes all politicians line there own pockets. But this guy said he was different. No he's just slicker. Buyer Beware.
 D_lily

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I question everything hes says, he was on CSBMC news and talking to a group of people he was asked by a man about the flag and pledge of allegiance his response was he has been saying pledge of allegiance since he was three years old.

When he was three years old he was living in Indonesia and I doubt strongly he said the pledge at three. Come on. He lies about everthing. The smallest things we take for granted. The biggest things that haven't come out yet. He is scary. Plain and simple.

Couple that with everything else I don't have any faith or trust whatsoever in this man. I really liked him at first but the more I read and the more sources that confirmed the truths vs. the non truths changed my mind.

I will question any politician , but, I don't want to question someones bacis loyalty and basic honesty.
 dende99

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The stereotype that politicians are liars exists for a reason.
Personally, I would be more concerned of the fact that Obama is lacking any political experience of substance.
 lifeisdrama

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d lily,
Thanks for all the data......you really did some research.
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 5/5/2008 7:10:08 AM
lily,

At the risk of becoming Atticus Finch here , let's examine your doubts.



I have alot of reasons why I don't want Barack as President none of them are because he's black.....He's just down right dishonest about the most everything, yet claims to be different, a truth is the light kinda guy wrong. Please take time and read these links.


I did, and let's also research them.



1} Big oil Money: By Ken Dilanian, USA TODAY

It's accurate that Obama doesn't take money from oil companies; neither do his opponents, because corporate contributions are illegal. But Obama, like Clinton and John McCain, has accepted donations from oil and gas company employees — $222,309 in Obama's case from donors from Exxon, Shell, Chevron and others, according to campaign-finance data. Two oil company CEOs have pledged to raise at least $50,000 each as part of Obama's fundraising team.


Sounds bad, right ?

Now let's go to Fact Check.

However, many of those contributions appear to come from workers at the firm not just executives. For example, Patrice McGowan, an Exxon-Mobil shift supervisor, who lives in Joliet, Ill., has donated $982 to Obama as of January. She also has a blog profile on Obama’s campaign Web site.

“I am a single woman who has worked shift work all my life, sometimes never seeing another woman on the job for weeks,” her profile reads, in part.

In a statement today, Obama spokesman Bill Burton, reiterated that Obama doesn't take PAC money or money from federal registered lobbyists, and "that includes oil companies and oil lobbyists."

Picking on the energy industry is a standard part of Obama's stump speech, where he harshly criticizes the 2005 energy bill and the Vice President****Cheney's efforts in passing it.

"Exxon Mobil reported more than $10 billion in quarterly profits," Obama told a town hall in Greenburg, Pa. today. And then referring to Cheney, he added, "He met with the oil and gas companies 40 times. So is it any wonder than that the energy laws that were written were good for Exxon-Mobil but they are not good for you?"

However, Obama did vote for that bill and has been repeatedly criticized by the Clinton campaign for the vote. Obama has defended that vote saying that despite it being a "flawed bill," it had strong provisions for alternative fuels and was the best deal that could be struck on the issue.

Today, spokeswoman Jen Psaki said the bill, supported by Pennsylvania Congressmen Murtha and Kanjorski "actually raised taxes on oil companies and made the largest investment in renewable energy in our nation's history."

Despite the attacks, Obama doesn't appear to be backing down from his criticism of the energy industry or on special interest influences.

"I don't take PAC money,” he said this evening. “I don't take money from federal registered lobbyists. I don't want those strings attached.”

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/28/834887.aspx


So it's a little different story, then the slanted one first presented.



2} Lobbyist Money: By Ken Dilanian, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — Barack Obama often boasts he is "the only candidate who isn't taking a dime from Washington lobbyists," yet his fundraising team includes 38 members of law firms that were paid $138 million last year to lobby the federal government, records show.

Those lawyers, including 10 former federal lobbyists, have pledged to raise at least $3.5 million for the Illinois senator's presidential race. Employees of their firms have given Obama's campaign $2.26 million, a USA TODAY analysis of campaign finance data shows.

Here is the link: http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-04-15-obama_N.htm



Obama’s invitation for the fundraiser stated he doesn’t accept money from “currently registered federal lobbyists, registered foreign agents, political action committees, or minors under the age of 16.”

His filings show he was true to his word, though one donor was registered as a Washington lobbyist, in 2004.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/
obama_lobbyists_no_lawyers_yes.html


Individuals are contributing, not some group.



3} Why Chicago?


So I return to the question. Why does Barack wind up in Chicago? Here’s a guy who is at the top of the heap at Harvard’s Law School as the head of the Law Review, who could reasonably be expected to earn huge dollars in New York, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, or Boston and he spurns all of these to go to work in Chicago? Why?


Working to help the poor, is suddenly a bad thing ? Not selling out is wrong ?



Answer: That being The Black Labor Activist, Journalist and Poet, FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS, 1905-1987..Who moved to Hawaii in 1948…Frank was a very well know activist in Chicago..

4} Fund rasiers:
Shady Islamic fund-raiser Hatem El-Hady dedicated himself to raising cash for the Democrat Party and supporting Barack Obama.

SO shady, he's not under arrest ? In today's world, a terrorist connection doesn't go unnoticed, and he's walking around a free man ? Anyone here actually THINK about that aspect ?


} Really What is the truth here?

His mother made him a christian


You entire argument here seems to center around atheism and being an agnostic, and Obama's claim of his mother's influence on him.


I was not raised in a religious household. My maternal grandparents, who hailed from Kansas, had been steeped in Baptist and Methodist teachings as children, but religious faith never really took root in their hearts. My mother's own experiences as a bookish, sensitive child growing up in small towns in Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas only reinforced this inherited skepticism. Her memories of the Christians who populated her youth were not fond ones. Occasionally, for my benefit, she would recall the sanctimonious preachers who would dismiss three-quarters of the world's people as ignorant heathens doomed to spend the afterlife in eternal damnation--and who in the same breath would insist that the earth and the heavens had been created in seven days, all geologic and astrophysical evidence to the contrary. She remembered the respectable church ladies who were always so quick to shun those unable to meet their standards of propriety, even as they desperately concealed their own dirty little secrets; the church fathers who uttered racial epithets and chiseled their workers out of any nickel that they could.

For my mother, organized religion too often dressed up closed-mindedness in the garb of piety, cruelty and oppression in the cloak of righteousness.

This isn't to say that she provided me with no religious instruction. In her mind, a working knowledge of the world's great religions was a necessary part of any well-rounded education. In our household the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology. On Easter or Christmas Day my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the Chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites. But I was made to understand that such religious samplings required no sustained commitment on my part--no introspective exertion or self-flagellation. Religion was an expression of human culture, she would explain, not its wellspring, just one of the many ways--and not necessarily the best way--that man attempted to control the unknowable and understand the deeper truths about our lives.

In sum, my mother viewed religion through the eyes of the anthropologist that she would become; it was a phenomenon to be treated with a suitable respect, but with a suitable detachment as well. Moreover, as a child I rarely came in contact with those who might offer a substantially different view of faith. My father was almost entirely absent from my childhood, having been divorced from my mother when I was 2 years old; in any event, although my father had been raised a Muslim, by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist, thinking religion to be so much superstition.

And yet for all her professed secularism, my mother was in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I've ever known. She had an unswerving instinct for kindness, charity, and love, and spent much of her life acting on that instinct, sometimes to her detriment. Without the help of religious texts or outside authorities, she worked mightily to instill in me the values that many Americans learn in Sunday school: honesty, empathy, discipline, delayed gratification, and hard work. She raged at poverty and injustice.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1546579-4,00.html


Now you are taking people who know her, and somehow claiming that there's some problem here. She clearly seems to have been a spiritual person, without being a person who followed organized religion.

She seems to have been rather concerned with not poisoning her son's mind, and showing him the importance of religion in the world, which isn't a bad thing.

Her base, her actions, seem to fit the definition of following the Golden Rule, and acting in a "Christian" manner towards others.

So your entire problem with this area of Obama's life centers on THIS ?

He himself has said he wasn't attracted to religion, and perhaps this explains why. When he DOES get attracted to a church, it's through his work with the inner city poor. He sees the church in action, helping people, and is drawn to that common interest.

Far from being dishonest, it's quite logical, if you look at the totality that's going on here.


It has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with trust. BIG BIG trust issue.


It also has a lot to do with research, and in trying to explore why these things are presented in the way they are. When you start to do this, a lot of issues are suddenly much different than they were first presented to be.
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