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 devilwentdowntogeorgia

Joined: 1/27/2008
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Posted: 4/30/2008 6:51:42 PM
Anyone else on here catch an episode of TAPS (ghost hunters on television). They never find anything really. It all looks set-up, subjective, etc. Anybody think ghosts are real and that all these ghost hunters are really going to find them..Its a corny question, but many are paying big bucks to try to talk to the dead.


Are these guys chasing dust, or ghosts ?
 Concertina

Joined: 8/11/2006
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Posted: 4/30/2008 7:10:51 PM
They have recorded apparitions numerous times.
 thebasicpagan

Joined: 11/29/2006
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Posted: 5/1/2008 9:49:18 AM
These guys are very scientific and go in with the intention of debunking every claim of a haunting. They've encountered people planting things that go bump in the night, with their equipment they find those things. They encountered a person who tampered with a camera of theirs when aboard the Queen Mary II... they were very disappointed. Any illegitimate or unprofessional ghost-hunting group would not be as careful as them to identify false situations.

They've also recorded very accurate, very scientific, very convincing evidence that paranormal life exists.

If you've only seen one episode... you cannot make an informed opinion; you need to watch many more.
I've been watching since the beginning - they are not fakes - and don't screw around.
--Brandon
 NoseyNeighbor

Joined: 2/19/2008
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Posted: 5/1/2008 11:43:33 AM

Are these guys chasing dust, or ghosts ?


The James Randi foundation has 1,000,000 US dollars sealed in a 3rd party bank account for anyone that can prove a paranormal event. Ghosts or otherwise. It's going on 20 years and no one has claimed the prize.

Shifts in temperature, air pressure, light refraction, etc. are often interpreted as phenomenon event. But on closer inspection, nothing is there. Personally I would be thrilled if a phenomenon could be proven.
 darkhorse723

Joined: 6/3/2005
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Posted: 5/1/2008 12:46:11 PM
Given that it's a television show, it'd be nigh impossible to know if stuff wasn't set up beforehand. Much like children's haunted houses.
 Stargaze71

Joined: 4/26/2007
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Posted: 5/3/2008 6:24:27 PM
Given that it's a television show, it'd be nigh impossible to know if stuff wasn't set up beforehand. Much like children's haunted houses.

That, and the fact that it's on the Science Fiction channel has always taken away credibility in my opinion :p

Well, that, and the fact that I don't believe in ghosts, but still...
 Wade1976

Joined: 4/27/2008
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Posted: 5/3/2008 7:51:59 PM
There is no approved scientific method for recording the paranormal so I'm skeptical of anything they offer as proof of the paranormal. Websites such as Saps, their own sci fi channel forum, and numerous clips on youtube debunk nearly every peice of evidence they attempt to claim.

Besides all that, that Manson show was hilarious, as was their guest.
 x_file

Joined: 6/25/2006
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Posted: 5/4/2008 11:55:08 PM


Anybody think ghosts are real and that all these ghost hunters are really going to find them.


If a person is not their body, even when alive, then we're all ghosts. The difference is that we have bodies, others don't.
 Coswellcogs2u

Joined: 11/3/2007
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Posted: 5/5/2008 7:05:13 PM

There is no approved scientific method for recording the paranormal


Your correct there is no scientific method to record the paranormal because there are no scientific rules. The scientific method is to explain natural phenomena. No ghost hunter/investigator can explain the natural phenomena. Example would be EMF readings. They can debunk some but not all readings. At times it appears EMF readings can spike then drop. Does it prove to be a ghost or not. Probably not, understanding EMF readings is complex. Give you example if you had a geiger counter and you were to stand in a well known haunted place. The geiger counter would actually contain readings but not significant. Maybe a spike here and there. Does it prove to be a ghost? No because the natural phenomena is actual solar radiation traveling from space to the surface of the earth and it can actually penetrate caves and walls. The Particles are so spread out the bombardment is small to hit the geiger counter. Have to keep in mind all the time that the Earth has a natural electricmagnetic field which could explain natural phenomena of EMF readings. In there readings the electric current moves therefore its a magnetic field which are moving particles through the atmosphere.
 andy7372

Joined: 4/11/2008
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Posted: 5/5/2008 7:30:36 PM
I've seen so many movies about ghosts, surely they can't all be make believe?
 devilwentdowntogeorgia

Joined: 1/27/2008
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Posted: 5/5/2008 8:58:26 PM
Some ghost movies that I've seen claim to be based on true stories, but its entertainment. Just can't believe Hollywood.
 halasteve

Joined: 10/11/2007
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Posted: 5/6/2008 4:21:57 AM
Ghosts exist...just some of the mysteries of life!
 __mp1022__

Joined: 4/26/2008
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Posted: 5/10/2008 2:27:27 PM
I don't claim to know whether or not ghosts are real. All I can tell you is that I've yet to see any good reason to conclude that they are real.

With respect to Ghost Hunters, it's just a show. It is fake. They are just making a show that appeals to certain people.

Also, I noticed (like you do apparently) that they never reach any solid conclusions. All that they do is build an argument on a string of "what if" statments. They start with one thing, and then stretch it to a conclusion without proving anything. They attempt to make their show sound scientific, but it's just rumors building upon rumors.

The show deliberately creates tension between the characters. You must have at least one detractor in order for a story to keep an audience interested. By adding the element of "reality" to the show, it seems to assume a greater importance.

Ghost Hunters is identical to UFO Hunters. They just focus on two different topics. Nevertheless, they use the same pattern of building upon "what if" statements without proving each point. They typically prove that one part is true, and then conclude that the rest is true because the arguments are connected. The problem is that the arguments are not connected by fact, but by a "what if".

If ever there were to be proof that ghosts are real, then it will not come as a result of the Ghost Hunter's efforts.
 Pyro74

Joined: 4/23/2006
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Posted: 5/12/2008 9:35:46 PM
You guys need to check out their first visit to the St. Augustine Lighthouse, Florida.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF5aYG2UCdQ
 __mp1022__

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Posted: 5/13/2008 11:47:31 PM

You guys need to check out their first visit to the St. Augustine Lighthouse, Florida.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF5aYG2UCdQ


What are we supposed to realize after viewing this?
 Coswellcogs2u

Joined: 11/3/2007
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Posted: 5/24/2008 4:16:35 AM
St. Augustine Lighthouse is officially approved to be haunted by the expertise and standards of "TAPS". I thought it was one of their best episodes.

The best way to describe what happened. In the episode, TAPS actually caught a shadow person (not human) inside the Light House. It's speed was annormous which it fled 5 flights to the top in 2 seconds. in the mean time the investigators chased after it to see who it was. They stoped and looked up again at the top and they see a shadow person pace back and forth. As it was paceing back and forth it looked over the bannaster looking at the investigators. So the investigators thought why not catch the person who can not get away because there is only one way down which is by the stairs. So they reached to the top and light autosensors turned on. They concluded that it was a ghost they were chasing.

I Can't explain it and it was very convincing.
 Concertina

Joined: 8/11/2006
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Posted: 5/24/2008 8:30:38 PM
This one is easier to see. It creeps me out --
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GVTeyQ3jVnw&feature=related
 iceglide

Joined: 10/22/2006
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Posted: 5/27/2008 9:02:12 AM
justs wondering why they are called taps ?
 Pyro74

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Posted: 5/30/2008 3:38:01 AM
TAPS= The Atlantic Paranormal Society
 The Artful Codger

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Posted: 5/30/2008 5:38:53 AM

I Can't explain it and it was very convincing.

Ever since my granny died when I was 12, I've probably spoken to more than a hundred dead people.
Dead friends, passed relatives and even people I never met while they were alive.

They never respond.

It's very convincing.
 K1ngmaker

Joined: 5/22/2008
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Posted: 5/30/2008 5:49:18 AM

I've seen so many movies about ghosts, surely they can't all be make believe?


Surely Santa Clause must exist!
 Beamish

Joined: 3/23/2007
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Posted: 5/30/2008 9:30:35 AM
people are living longer and longer. Indeed with organ replacement it may become possible that humans can live for hundreds or thousands of years. The 'spiritual' world will run out of ghosts.

How can ghosts make things go bump in the night if they are not physical? Surely a spirits hand would pass through an object?

If one believes in ghosts then one must allow for all kinds of spirits, like demons and fairies and all manner of gods. Are we to assume that Zeus and Thor and the Devil are real entities? How silly do you want to be?

Religions have had thousands of years to spin superstition into fact. Science has had only a couple of hundred to untangle the mess.

Isn't life scary enough without morbid imaginings?
 Beamish

Joined: 3/23/2007
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Posted: 5/30/2008 9:41:28 AM
x file, what is that supposed to mean?
 Beamish

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Posted: 5/30/2008 9:51:11 AM
Hi pyro, I've just watched that clip. The two Taps guys are telling the other guy what he is going to see. The 'help me' was just a sound. The light looked like a refection to me. As for the 'shape' jumping up the stairs - probably a shadow. Big Deal!
 Concertina

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Posted: 5/30/2008 11:38:33 AM
If one believes in ghosts then one must allow for all kinds of spirits, like demons and fairies and all manner of gods.


'Ghosts' are not synonymous with deities. I've never seen a fairy caught on tape.
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