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| McCain, Clinton, and the gas tax
Posted: 5/1/2008 8:47:51 AM | McCain and Clinton want to eliminate the gas-tax for three months this summer...
Which would drop the gas price by $.18 cents a gallon.
How would this effect me???
I fill up once a week.
I have a 13 gallon tank.
I drive 46 miles a day for work.
If I saved $.18 a gallon... that means...
I would save:
$2.34 dollars & cents a week.***
$9.36 dollars & cents a month.*
***Woopdydo*
McCain says I'll be able to eat better food with the money I'll save... yeah... right... it equates to $.33 cents a day.
Does he really think $.33 cents a day would improve the quality of food that the "average American" eats???
$.33 cents a day won't help me in the slightest bit!!!
What the hell would $.33 cents do for ANYONE???
Imagine when they re-apply that tax... an $.18 cent per gallon jump in one day.
Meanwhile, if the gas tax is eliminated for three months the government would lose MILLIONS of dollars for our roads and bridges.
Furthermore - construction jobs in that sector would be lost - further harming our infrastructure, economy, and put people out of a job.
We'd be driving over unrepaired potholes, and construction currently underway would grind to a near complete hault!!!
How would this benefit you and me???
Anyone else think McCain and Clinton are seriously out of touch???
I DO NOT believe the BS they're feeding the media about how much the "average American" needs this.
They want to sacrifice the roads that WE drive on... so they "look" like they are "fighting" for the American people; for votes.
My number one reason for posting:
I'd like to know how much money others would save each week and month... if the $.18 cents a gallon tax was eliminated.
--Brandon | |
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| McCain, Clinton, and the gas tax
Posted: 5/1/2008 9:02:29 AM | State and Federal taxes amount to something like 50 cents a gallon. A moratorium on collecting them wouldn't help, and would cause other, bigger problems. A 55 mph national speed limit makes a lot more sense, would actually save fuel, and might put pressure on to lower gas prices, by reducing demand.
After prices begin to decrease, we could allow lighter, more efficient vehicles to go faster, but keep the limit on anything over 4,000 lbs GVWR, to discourage sales of large SUVs to people who really don't need them, while allowing those who have a legit need to continue using them. | |
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| McCain, Clinton, and the gas tax
Posted: 5/1/2008 10:29:14 AM | The proposed gas tax lift (& more importantly, threatening to make Big Oil pay for the loss of revenues) is economically worthless...but it DOES send a big notice to to those corporations profiting from current foreign & domestic policy that a change in leaders/backers/priorities is coming very soon.
Consider it a threat (in the guise of pandering to public good) to play nice or suffer the consequences. | |
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| McCain, Clinton, and the gas tax
Posted: 5/1/2008 12:52:18 PM | I'm with you on the reduced speed limit..........but............55 was the national speed limit a few years back, and the truckers lost too much time and people complained about having to go so slow................... they left it up to the states to change it back.
My question is this....................is American oil cheaper to produce than to import foreign oil? If so, why won't the American Oil Companies lower the price at the pump, (BUY AMERICAN) and force the imports to follow suit. It seems it's all about profit at our expense. Where is the patriotism from the American Oil Refineries? Surely it's not true what I've been told..................................our government will not allow our American Oil Companies to sell their petroleum products. | |
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| McCain, Clinton, and the gas tax
Posted: 5/1/2008 1:08:59 PM | Hillary and McCain are amazingly out of touch with the American public.
They already sold the infrastucture in this country by voting to allow the US to attack Iraq.
I hate the high gas prices but i drive 50 miles a week. Environmentally we have needed people to stop driving so much as it is. Instead Americans think that they are above it all and went out and bought SUVs that they did not need. The auto manufacturers have fought tooth and nail requirements to increase the gas milage on cars.
Now the US consumer will force them to. GM has been getting nailed because they were banking onthe SUV. As far as trucking goes, it will hurt the economy because it raises the cost to deliver products. In a way it is a good thing, that was BTW inevitable.
We have been importing our produce, fish, blah, blah, blah from other countries. This has been greatly reducing our self reliance. How many communities coupld actually feed their populace without having to import food? This will hopefully move us to more sustainable farming practices. Corporate farms are dangerous and evil.
Just a thought. | |
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| McCain, Clinton, and the gas tax
Posted: 5/1/2008 5:41:43 PM |
My question is this....................is American oil cheaper to produce than to import foreign oil? If so, why won't the American Oil Companies lower the price at the pump, (BUY AMERICAN) and force the imports to follow suit. It seems it's all about profit at our expense. Where is the patriotism from the American Oil Refineries
This is about as Patriotic as they get: the money they get for selling oil has former US Presidents on it...
Why would they sell oil to the US at a lower price... when they can sell it on the world market for a hundred dollars more???
You are right, it is all about money... and it's all at our expense.
These rate-cuts don't help either.
Every time they do it, the value of our dollar weakens... which means we need MORE money to pay for the same amount of oil.
Hopefully, this is the last time the Fed will cut rates for a while.
I still expect to be paying $4.50 for gas by the 4th of July this summer.
--Brandon | |
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| McCain, Clinton, and the gas tax
Posted: 5/1/2008 5:52:42 PM | I know I shouldn't be surprised or disappointed when I see politicians currying favour in such a brazen fashion, but does anyone out there believe they really intend to fulfill this promise?
They both know they're going to be facing two wars overseas, a massive deficit, and a faltering economy largely the result of the war and the deficit. There isn't any tax either of them can afford to cut. And every voter out there knows it, so why don't they get asked that? It's like earning a thousand dollars a week, spending $1200, and deciding the way to fix the problem is to cut down to working 4 days a week since you'll save on gas going to the office. | |
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| McCain, Clinton, and the gas tax
Posted: 5/1/2008 5:54:31 PM | I don't think we need to eliminate the gas tax.
I think we should put an extra tax on gas for all people tanking up with a doggone "GAS HOG" ... SUV's and unnecessary PICKUP TRUCKS and such. They are not only "GAS HOGS", but they pollute the atmosphere twice and three times as fast as a low mileage vehicle. When they need twice as much or three times as much gas to drive the same distance as a low-mileage vehicle ... then they should be made to pay extra taxes to clean up the air.
GET THE DAMN SUV'S and OVER ABUNDANT PICKUP TRUCKS OFF THE ROAD ...  | |
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| McCain, Clinton, and the gas tax
Posted: 5/1/2008 7:44:37 PM |
A 55 mph national speed limit makes a lot more sense
I don't agree with some of your ideas Beau, but as a professional driver who logs 185,000 miles per year, I definitely agree with this one. | |
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| McCain, Clinton, and the gas tax
Posted: 5/1/2008 11:58:56 PM | Obama tried it as a state legislator, and the experience of Illinois perhaps shows how bad the idea is.
A government study could not determine how much of the savings was actually passed along to motorists. Many lawmakers said their constituents didn't seem to have benefited. They also worried the tax break was pushing the state budget out of balance.
At the end of Illinois' tax holiday, there was a failed push to eliminate the sales tax permanently. Obama was among those voting against eliminating the tax.
Obama's presidential campaign says the lessons of that Illinois tax holiday influenced his decision to oppose a national tax holiday. The lack of clear results then make him dubious about suspending the national tax now.
n addition, the Illinois tax was paid directly by consumers and increased as gas prices increased. Obama's campaign points out the national tax is a flat 18.4 cents (24.4 cents a gallon for diesel) and, therefore, isn't climbing as gas prices climb. It's also paid by producers, raising more questions about whether they'd pass the full savings along to customers.
During a three-month suspension, the average driver would save only about $28, according to the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials.
"That assumes the oil companies are going to give it to you. That's probably not a likely outcome," said Jack Basso, the association's director of management and business development.
If oil companies did pass along the savings, tax experts say, the lower prices would increase demand. Since refineries are already at maximum production levels, the increased demand probably would drive prices back up.
The association also estimates that suspending the tax would divert about $8.5 billion from the Highway Trust Fund, which pays for road and bridge repairs and already faces a shortfall of $3.2 billion. Taking that tax money from the trust fund could endanger hundreds of thousands of jobs — every $1 billion in highway money supports 33,000 jobs, by one estimate — and would push more maintenance and construction costs onto the states.
"The federal gas tax is a piddly little 18 cents. If that is eliminated, it isn't going to make an iota of difference to the average gasoline purchaser, yet it's going to hasten the bankruptcy of the Highway Trust Fund," said Rod Diridon, head of the Mineta Transportation Institute at San Jose State University.
McCain suggests avoiding that problem by replacing the lost money with unspecified funds from elsewhere in the budget. Clinton wants to impose a new tax on oil company profits to make up for lifting the gasoline tax.
http://www.canadianbusiness.com/markets/market_news/
article.jsp?content=D90CE1586&page=2
America doesn't need to get any deeper in debt, to be honest.
It saves little, and changes nothing.
In my view, it takes more political courage to oppose such a thing, than it does to push for it to win votes. | |
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| McCain, Clinton, and the gas tax
Posted: 5/2/2008 1:56:11 AM |
I don't think we need to eliminate the gas tax.
I think we should put an extra tax on gas for all people tanking up with a doggone "GAS HOG" ... SUV's and unnecessary PICKUP TRUCKS and such. They are not only "GAS HOGS", but they pollute the atmosphere twice and three times as fast as a low mileage vehicle. When they need twice as much or three times as much gas to drive the same distance as a low-mileage vehicle ... then they should be made to pay extra taxes to clean up the air.
GET THE DAMN SUV'S and OVER ABUNDANT PICKUP TRUCKS OFF THE ROAD ...
yeah, and if they don't stop driving the SUV's, we can line them up and shoot them in the head. no excuses. I don't care if it's a poor fisherman who has to tow his boat to the water to make his meager living. TAX him. I don't care if it's a landscaper who needs a pickup truck to run his business, f u c k it, TAX him. if I don't like something, TAX it!
does this sort of attitude scare the piss out of anyone else? | |
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| McCain, Clinton, and the gas tax
Posted: 5/2/2008 2:31:33 AM | Then who pays for the roads that automobiles, corporations, and society require ?
People who don't drive ?
If anyone should be against paying anyone else's ticket, it's you.  | |
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| McCain, Clinton, and the gas tax
Posted: 5/2/2008 8:28:04 PM |
notice to to those corporations profiting from current foreign & domestic policy that a change in leaders/backers/priorities is coming very soon
Lowering or eliminating the tax on gasoline encourages consumers to buy more gas, resulting in greater profits for oil companies. Say what you want about Bush, even he wouldn't stoop to such an obvious bribe to Big Oil. I wonder how much campaign money Clinton and McCain are getting from oil companies. | |
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| McCain, Clinton, and the gas tax
Posted: 5/2/2008 8:34:43 PM | Again, in regards to Obama, I admire his guts.
He's getting hit heavily now, and he's still not going to say he's for it. He tried it in Illinois, and it lead nowhere. It would have been easy to cave in on this very popular idea to save Americans money - short term.
He's come out and said the long term solution is to focus on other things.
That, at least to me, is a sugn of leadership. You don't tell people what they want to hear, or lead by polls.
You do what needs to be done to make the situation better in the long run.
For far too long, that's been a missing element in American politics. | |
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| McCain, Clinton, and the gas tax
Posted: 5/2/2008 9:49:09 PM | It seems to me that the public is out of touch with the reality of an increasing demand on a decreasing supply ... and that politicians are - by not aggressively confronting a necessary shift in the fundamental way we power our mobility - very much 'in touch' with their electorate.
In touch like ostriches with their heads in the sand bumping their plumed asses are in touch.
It is becoming more and more clear that the way we get around is going to have to change - and that change will most certainly arrive with some serious social and economic impact. Not many will want to voluntarily make the lifestyle choices that will be required to absorb the blow, most don't even want to even hear about it.
Fasten your seat belts kids, and enjoy the ride... methinks we have some bumpy roads ahead. | |
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| McCain, Clinton, and the gas tax
Posted: 5/3/2008 6:28:39 AM | @halftimedad @Monty @All
I know I shouldn't be surprised or disappointed when I see politicians currying favour in such a brazen fashion, but does anyone out there believe they really intend to fulfill this promise?
Every Friday, on the NewsHour, there is a segment wherein Jim Lerher discusses the weeks events with Mark Sheilds, syndicated columnist with the Boston Globe, and David Brooks, columnist and Editor for the Wall Street Journal. Its long become my habit to try to catch that Friday segment every week, as it is actually a fascinating study in the political divide, as witnessed by Sheilds and Brooks, and makes for 15 minutes of very intelligent commentary.
Last night when Lehrer introduced the issue of McCaine and Clinton's support for, and Obama's dissention for a federal gas tax moratorium, by asking if it might do any good or was merely pandering to voters, both Brooks and Sheilds agreed it was a terrible idea, but the more interesting comment belonged to Mark Sheilds, after David Brooks gave the history and economics detailed in Obama's earlier experience with the Illinois gas tax experiment. So while they both agreed with Obama's stance on the issue, Mark Sheilds said that for Obama this was an opportunity missed.
To paraphrase Sheilds said: "Obama should have gotten in front of the Indiana and North Carolina voters and said: 'This is what I mean by, there needs to be a change in Washington DC, because 'this', is the sort of thing that we get, this pandering, to think that the voters might be bought off while actually providing no real relief in gas prices. Because what this means in the real world is the loss of 300,000 additional American jobs this summer for those who should be working to rebuild America's roads and bridges at a time when everyone recognizes that need due the negligence to the infrastructure over the past seven years. Because in typical political fashion my opponents think they might delay facing the harsh realities and will cynically prolong such neglect while peddling the loss of American jobs as a bargain to consumers. Don't fall for it. They are telling you what they think you want to hear, while I am telling you that there needs to be a change in how we do things, and yes telling the things that we don't like to hear but can recognize as simple reality. They are willing to sacrifice attending to our real problems and the loss of American jobs in a cynical bid for your vote, because ultimately they think that you, the American voters are stupid, and might be bought off with thirty pieces of silver, while I am telling you that we as Americans can and must face our problems honestly. That is the difference between me and my opponents."
Like I said, a paraphrase, but close.
Caw | |
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| McCain, Clinton, and the gas tax
Posted: 5/3/2008 6:47:42 AM | When you elect an oil millionaire to lead a country you must expect oil prices to rise.
Noone in the middle east respects Bush or his Father so naturally oil is going to jump. How to fix the oil prices? Guess how much food the middle east imports? Raise the prices to match oil. See if they can eat oil. | |
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| McCain, Clinton, and the gas tax
Posted: 5/9/2008 9:03:23 AM | | Reducing speed limits is the best idea to curb consumption. We had it during the last oil crisis of the late 70's. See this chart for more info on savings: http://kec.kansas.gov/chart_book/Chapter10/12_SpeedvsFuelConsumption.pdf | |
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| McCain, Clinton, and the gas tax
Posted: 5/9/2008 9:28:56 AM | Let the government know you support a 55 mph national speed limit by emailing the President at comments@whitehouse.gov
and by emailing your congressional representatives.
Find their email addresses at
http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html or
http://www.conservativeusa.org/mega-cong.htm or
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/ | |
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| McCain, Clinton, and the gas tax
Posted: 5/9/2008 9:40:33 AM |
great guys, lets give the cops another reason to pull people over with a speed limit cap.
YES. Reduced speed limits won't work without enforcement.
It also serves as "probable cause" for interviewing suspicious people.
Unfortunately, many municipalities and states consider it primarily as a source of revenue first, and considerations of safety and energy conservation secondary, if at all. | |
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