| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/4/2008 8:31:43 AM | Hi everyone,
I was just wondering which of your curent presidential hopefulls I should be rooting for?.
I am a free person with an interest in the outcome. Only problem is I come from that 53rd State you rarely consider. The one called 'The rest of the world'
Who's the best candidate for us?. Which one of them have a peace plan to stop the slaughter taking place around the world.
Which one is saying that it's time to stop telling people how great and free the USA is and how you are the champions of freedom and leaders of the free world but always seem to be telling us with a gun shoved in our faces.
Which one if any is starting to realise that America just not be the right people to lead the free world in this battle for freedom because quite frankly your crap at being a leader.
Your foreign policies are crap, your ability to understand your enemy is limited and nothing you have done so far has reduced the threat of terorism one iota. Are any of your next leaders planning to go back to the United nations and ask for peace talks to begin.
What, none of them?. Shit, looks like we got another hundred years war here. Your president told the world he was a president a war, and he is. You are a nation of people at war, it's all you talk about. You are hypnotised by 9/11 and paralysed by fear. Not content with the real boogyman under your beds, your trying to make more. Your going to need a bigger bed soon.
Which person should all us out here in the free world be throwing our weight behind?. | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/4/2008 9:04:42 AM | Don't ask us. If you have beliefs and desires, you are essentially a blank slate that can find unbiased sources to formulate a clearer viewpoint. Getting opinions here will help you to have anything but a clear picture.
You'll have people that will tell you the other two candidates are the boogeyman basically because someone told them that they were. People supporting a candidate that is closely aligned with scores of scum tell you that you shouldn't vote for the other two that has maybe one or two questionable affiliations. You shouldn't vote for one candidate because he/she said Blue but they heard Red.
You have a chance to possibly form the clearest opinion without the goofiness, but you'll squander that chance by asking us. | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/4/2008 9:10:06 AM | Maybe we should be given the right to vote in your elections then. Or to put up our own candidates. Your a nation that believes in democracy, give us the vote. Long live the 53rd State. We swear aligience to the flag of the United Nations, one nation under God.
Give us a voice in who gets the job of leader of the free world then. Come on what ya scared of? | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/4/2008 9:30:43 AM | | You sound to me like a Ron Paul supported. He's a good man with sound principles and policies. Free trade and sound economic policy. No more war with nations that have shown no aggression towards us, and couldn't even if they wanted to (Iraq, for example). No more playing world police. Much more. He got my vote in the primaries, but it seems most people are content with rampant inflation and 100 years of war in the middle east (which ironically has done nothing but drive up the price of oil by reducing production). | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/4/2008 9:57:52 AM | Looks like it's Hilary for us then with a score of 63. Come on Hill, you can do it girl.
Didn't ask me much about anything other than things that are of interest to anyone not an American. No words of peace. Tell you what, you keep Hillary, or Barrack or Ron Paul and all the rest. They are all talking war and none talking peace.
I nominate Dolly Parton. She'd make a good president.
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/4/2008 10:28:30 AM |
I am a free person with an interest in the outcome. Only problem is I come from that 53rd State you rarely consider. The one called 'The rest of the world'
Does the rest of the world care about our interests in who's elected around the world, by gun point or other wise? No! so why would anyone care what you think? you obviously hate this country and find pleasure in taking petty shots at it!
Who's the best candidate for us?. Which one of them have a peace plan to stop the slaughter taking place around the world.
Since we don't have any Radical Islamic leaders running a campaign in the name of Jihad....There is not much we can do to stop the slaughter of innocent people by Radical Islam...you know Muslim on Muslim crime! That's your problem! Were only able to do so much to help the innocent from being slaughterd around the world by Satanic Radical Muslims....you get my point? sure you do! If your too dumb to realize how stupid your comment is add up the numbers of killings going on around your free world of women and children by Radical Islam who finds pleasure in raping torturing and slaughtering the innocent in the name of Allah!
Which one is saying that it's time to stop telling people how great and free the USA is and how you are the champions of freedom and leaders of the free world but always seem to be telling us with a gun shoved in our faces.{/quote] Well my simple minded free world patriot....or shall I call you Hamas or Al Qaeda? Since Americans are not strapping bombs on the mentally handicapped nor on their children in the name of Allah nor are we popping out bomb babies in the name of Jihad, to slaughter innocent people in hopes to get 70 some virgins to treat like slaves and less then animals, you could better answer the question then I?
{quote]Which one if any is starting to realise that America just not be the right people to lead the free world in this battle for freedom because quite frankly your crap at being a leader. Who would you reccomend? Hamas Hezbolah Al Qaeda? I'm certain their policies of cutting off heads raping chilren in front of their parents and cutting off their limbs for entertainment and taking decapitated heads putting them on poles in peoples yards, cutting womens breasts after raping them so they can't feed their babies..might make a better leader as in your world! you must be proud? Go Jihadie convert or die!
Your foreign policies are crap, your ability to understand your enemy is limited and nothing you have done so far has reduced the threat of terorism one iota. Are any of your next leaders planning to go back to the United nations and ask for peace talks to begin.
Since the UN has countless Terrorist who promote the killing of innocent behind the cameras and are corrupt puppets to many dictators, who cares what they think? Oh by the way...if your terrorist you so love, are doing so well...why are they on the run and being systematically eliminated, many of their so called leaders have been killed and Terrorist don't even own a country that's how great and powerful these Cowards are they hide behind Women and Children while shooting at the Real Army! Nothing more then a bunch of gutless wonders who Cower behind skirts and burkas!
These are not Men....these are wanna bee Men, other wise their murders of women and children because they can't fight like real men! Are you listening? Our women here in the US have more balls and are braver then these hacks trying to pass them selves off as men, hiding like scared little girls behind the skirts of women!
What, none of them?. Shit, looks like we got another hundred years war here. Your president told the world he was a president a war, and he is. You are a nation of people at war, it's all you talk about. You are hypnotised by 9/11 and paralysed by fear. Not content with the real boogyman under your beds, your trying to make more. Your going to need a bigger bed soon.
Which person should all us out here in the free world be throwing our weight behind?.
Allow me to Retort you Obvious Stupidity...
Fear of who? the Tali Ban? no we took them out of power, now their hiding in the caves and trying to look as though they mean something when they are nothing but cave dwellers, pretending to be real men! Looks like to me...the Tali Ban are the ones who got their asses handed to them and booted from power by who? thats right The Real free World lead by who? thats right America! How that feel..
Where's Mr Braveheart? Bin Laden? I'm sorry where? oh that's right he's HIDING... from who that's right the Boogy man! In all his glory Caveman style...yeah he sure as made him self a name as the biggest Coward on the Planet...Yet he instructs kids and women to strap on bombs in the name of Jihad and Allah...oh what a man! and who sent him into hiding in caves and such? who? That's right the America leadership! So who's really scared? that's right big bad AlQaeda....still hiding behind the skirts and burkas world wide..you must really be proud of these Cowards!
Oh let's not forget Saddameeeee who scared the hell out of the Middle East, and made Muslims everywhere cower! Even Jihadist feared him, no one would dare f...k with Saddameeeeee except who? I'm sorry what did you say? who? That's right the Leaders of the Real Free World the Good ol US of A....America baby! or should I say burka babe! That's who took out Saddameee The American lead forces! oh and when Mr Braveheart/Saddameeee was captured he cried like the rest of your brave terrorist when they get caught by the boogyman! So really your asinine post has no merit! and appears to be just another terrorist trying and begging for attention! Let me be even more Frank...Jihad will never win Satanical Evil never trumps Good! and the USA is good whether you like or not! So who really care's what you think or who you are pulling for? Knuckle heads and Nit wits are nothing more then flys trying to stir up the shit...the maggots of the world! Nice try Stupid!
A Proud America
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/4/2008 10:29:50 AM | Loved the poem thread by the way...
Well that would be Ralph Nader to my way of thinking. Just do some research and you'll see why. The only bad things you'll hear about his is he can be a jerk and the "spoiler" bit. But, he's had a long history of working for the average Joe/Jane and will make changes that the other candidates won't even talk about.
However, Ralph won't win because the US has not had enough pain and will vote in grandpa McCain. Ralph is way ahead of his time in the US, about average for the 53rd state....I just have to vote for the best person whose ideals most closely resemble my own, no more least of 2 evils....no more compromise....not enough time... | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/4/2008 10:50:23 AM | Hi there pocoloco44 and salaams to you and you loved ones,
Sure glad you cleared all that up for me my friend. If it gives you any comfort you should know that you have no greater ally then me. Read my posts, I beieve that America is the greatest nation on the face of the planet. You, God help us, are the best chance we have for a new world order, for a better freer world. It's just that right now you all seem to be losing the plot a little and rather than insult you as I could do, I am chosing to use other means to snap you out of your hypnotic war trance. just trying to do you a favour.
I do not hate you or your country, I am the best friend you could ever ask for. A friend who is willing to talk to you like a friend should.
Your way off base with your understanding of Islam. Just as far from the reality as it's possible to be. Not really the sort of guy to keep sending links for you all to follow, but I would suggest that you take a few moments to read up on Islam and the great prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him).
Didn't seem to think the United nations was full of terrorists when you asked us to help in Desert Storm 1. You really did lead the world there and we followed because what you did was the right thing to do. Now you don't need us anymore to 'justify' your war, you call us terrorists and stupid.
Fancy going head to head with me, I'm smarter than you could ever hope to be.
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/4/2008 10:59:59 AM | Hiya Crash,
Have read lots from you in here over the time I have been on here. You seem like a good dude to me mate.
Will take a look at Ralph Nader later, getting a bit computer fatigue today, so this is my last post. back tomorrow for more of the same I hope.
I understand how scared you all are, so is everyone else mate. Just remember that it isn't over til the fat lady sings. Stopping this carnage isn't going to be difficult. When those planes hit the Twin Towers the doomsday clock started going backwards. We're closer to peace than you could ever imagine. Stop thinking like a nation at war and start thinking like a people at peace and all our sons and daughters could be home in time for christmas.
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/4/2008 11:11:34 AM | OP, Ron Paul is an awesome guy in many ways. And to be fair, so is Ralph Nader.
But neither of them becoming president is realistic. I'd suggest Clinton pick a good cabinet role for Ron Paul to fill, because his head and his heart are in the right place, and he has many productive ideas. And he's very smart. Same goes for Nader as well, in a slightly different way. And both add to the multi-partisan approach to the presidency as well.
But the closest we can get to sanity, and reality at the same time, is indeed Clinton. Stability, intelligence, experience and capability, and yes toughness, combined are crucial at this point. It's not a time for covering our eyes and taking wild shots in the dark, or for experimenting on the unknown. And pure bias is not a very good thing to be dwelling on either.
The gun-in-the-face thing is really not realistic though. You might want to research that a lot more before you conclude anything rash. We're actually not all that different from your own homeland.
-Suth'nBoy 
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/4/2008 12:30:10 PM | Barack Obama all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*Obama is the one with the guts to stand up against fiscal irresponsibility--if you like balanced budgets and the good economy resulting from that, vote Obama! He had the guts to say NO to the Federal gas tax holiday, which is fiscally irresponsible.
*Obama is the only candidate with "Spock ears". After years of illogical rule, we need a man who thinks clearly and logically. He advocates a more sensible health care plan than McInsane's bizarre sop to the health care lobby or Shrillary's health care mandates, which failed in Mass to help people.
*Obama is the only candidate not taking money from the lobbyist trash that is polluting Washington and disabling our country from moving forward.
*McInsane has flip flopped and now is a Bushboy clone. All we need, Good God help us if that man gets elected!
*Both Shrillary and McInsane are mentally unbalanced, and are more likely to make a rash decision that could have dire consequences. The mere thought of either of them near the red button scares the bejabbers out of me. Obama on the other hand is able to think clearly under pressure.
*Obama has lived overseas and has a better appreciation for different countries' cultures. He is the kind of guy who could restore American relations with the rest of the world.
*Obama is better able to survive the right wing BS that will be spewed against the Democratic nominee in the Fall.
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/4/2008 12:36:06 PM | Ohh Hardly!!! 
Nahhh.. Clinton for sure!  Let's see if we can recover something worthwhile.
And to do that, we've got to have real, solid, determined leadership. Not a social experiment in "what-ifs".
-Suth'nBoy
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/4/2008 1:01:06 PM |
And to do that, we've got to have real, solid, determined leadership.
And if that sentence is used to describe a vote for Clinton, then that means one is choosing a vote for myth. | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/4/2008 6:13:02 PM | What she said 
Barack Obama all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*Obama is the one with the guts to stand up against fiscal irresponsibility--if you like balanced budgets and the good economy resulting from that, vote Obama! He had the guts to say NO to the Federal gas tax holiday, which is fiscally irresponsible.
*Obama is the only candidate with "Spock ears". After years of illogical rule, we need a man who thinks clearly and logically. He advocates a more sensible health care plan than McInsane's bizarre sop to the health care lobby or Shrillary's health care mandates, which failed in Mass to help people.
*Obama is the only candidate not taking money from the lobbyist trash that is polluting Washington and disabling our country from moving forward.
*McInsane has flip flopped and now is a Bushboy clone. All we need, Good God help us if that man gets elected!
*Both Shrillary and McInsane are mentally unbalanced, and are more likely to make a rash decision that could have dire consequences. The mere thought of either of them near the red button scares the bejabbers out of me. Obama on the other hand is able to think clearly under pressure.
*Obama has lived overseas and has a better appreciation for different countries' cultures. He is the kind of guy who could restore American relations with the rest of the world.
*Obama is better able to survive the right wing BS that will be spewed against the Democratic nominee in the Fall.
GO OBAMA!!!
Since McCain simply isn't worthy of consideration or discussion, it's between Obama and Clinton would never get my vote since she's a proven liar. The fact that she's so incredibly manipulative is pretty clear to me. She makes this stuff up as she goes along. And when she started using ads from Karl Rove's playbook with fear and images of war, Osama and explosions all over the place, that sinched it for me. Her husband is a known liar. I wouldn't trust either one of them around the corner. For her to paint Obama (who grew up in abject poverty and work his way up the hard way) as an "elitest" is utterly absurd. Obama is the only one I see up there with any integrity. The choice for me is easy. But if he loses, I'll be convinced that it's because of racial bigotry and you'll never convince me otherwise. | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/4/2008 6:41:26 PM |
But if [Obama] loses, I'll be convinced that it's because of racial bigotry and you'll never convince me otherwise.
Is this a joke? Wilder effect ftw? | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/5/2008 8:29:42 AM | Well, no one can tell you how to vote.
That's dependent on you, and what you feel is important.
The first place to start is to see what your core beliefs are, and why you feel that way. You can be a liberal , or a conservative, without any shame on either side. We need both a left and a right to naturally balance the running of a nation.
So the first thing is to find out where you are, and what's important.
The next step is to examine the platforms of all three candidates, and then see which one you agree with, or at least the closest one to what your core values are.
Those platforms are only their personal view, and must be modified (in all cases) to get broader support inside the party first - and then across party lines to get voted into actual plans.
All candidates have to do this, it's a part of politics. In a primary, or an election, one has to start somewhere as a politician. This is the base.
Now, once you've arrived there, it's time to do some serious research on your own. You will be making a decision, like millions of others, as to your nation's future. The leader you elect is an important part of that process, but not the only part.
Start to look at the one you've chosen with some broad research into their backgrounds. Don't take people's word on things, or even the medias word. Look past the spin, and start to look for the truth.
It's out there, with a bit of effort.
Spend a few hours doing that, until you are comfortable with your choice.
Then go out and vote with the confidence that you've tried your hardest to make the right one - for YOUR future, and the country's future.
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/5/2008 9:15:04 AM | | And that is excellent advice. I would also suggest to take a hard look at the situation that the country is in right now, and who is associated with the current state of affairs. If you like it, then you should vote for the candidate who offers you to continue with the 'statu quo'. However, if you dislike the condition that we are in now, then you should vote for the candidate that offers you something different, but also is a candidate that is not associated with the past policies that have caused the actual problems. | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/5/2008 9:50:24 AM |
But if [Obama] loses, I'll be convinced that it's because of racial bigotry and you'll never convince me otherwise.
I won't be convinced of that. I would consider it to be a small factor at best that was predetermined from the beginning based on existing attitudes for whom it was a deciding factor. I don't think Wright would really have influenced that so much on a racial level as much as his goofiness in general.
To me, Obama not getting the nomination would convince me that we can't ever be free of The Machine. | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/5/2008 10:11:15 AM |
To me, Obama not getting the nomination would convince me that we can't ever be free of The Machine.
...i'd feel better believing that it was because he's half black than what you said itechman... which is just sad, sad, sad....put I think you would be correct. | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/5/2008 5:05:40 PM | Eve,
Hi there pocoloco44 and salaams to you and you loved ones,
Sure glad you cleared all that up for me my friend. If it gives you any comfort you should know that you have no greater ally then me. Read my posts, I beieve that America is the greatest nation on the face of the planet. You, God help us, are the best chance we have for a new world order, for a better freer world. It's just that right now you all seem to be losing the plot a little and rather than insult you as I could do, I am chosing to use other means to snap you out of your hypnotic war trance. just trying to do you a favour.
I do not hate you or your country, I am the best friend you could ever ask for. A friend who is willing to talk to you like a friend should.
Your way off base with your understanding of Islam. Just as far from the reality as it's possible to be. Not really the sort of guy to keep sending links for you all to follow, but I would suggest that you take a few moments to read up on Islam and the great prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him).
Didn't seem to think the United nations was full of terrorists when you asked us to help in Desert Storm 1. You really did lead the world there and we followed because what you did was the right thing to do. Now you don't need us anymore to 'justify' your war, you call us terrorists and stupid.
Fancy going head to head with me, I'm smarter than you could ever hope to be.
Bring it on loser
I fail to see your undying love and support for this country? My understanding of Islam is not way off... If you read what I wrote you would see I referred to Radical Islam..there is a difference, most veveryone knows that! I have many neighbors who are Muslim..and their very loving peaceful people who wouldn't hurt anyone, they came here to flee Radical Islam and the oppressions! How ever your views of me seem to be Radical, you tell me your trying to snap me out of my war trance? Spare me the sermon..lol If someone attacks us or threatens to like any normal thinking person you defend your self before not after they kill you!
It's just that right now you all seem to be losing the plot a little and rather than insult you as I could do what's this?
Bring it on loser not exactly a friendly thing to say?
I would suggest that you take a few moments to read up on Islam and the great prophet Mohammed
Islam a religious and social system based on the teachings of Mohammed as preserved in the Koran and the Sunna. Mohammed was convinced of the falsity of traditional Arab idiology, this had been centered on Mecca, particularly in the worship of Gods represented by sacred stones in the Kaaba, Mohammeds earliest preaching stressed four points: the sole sovereignty of Allah, the sinfulness of idolatry, the certainty of resurrection with the rewards of heaven and the punishments of hell, and his own divine vocation as prophet of this new revelation! This was inevitably rejected by the Meccans. but to Mohammeds surprise it was also rejected by the Jews and Christians of the neighboring city of Medina where he settled in 622 the 1 of the Moslem calender.
Without going on and on about Mohammed and the nation of Islam, I have done some reading so I know a little bit about it!
The United States didn't need the United Nations permission or help to go into Kuwait, we did it to inform the UN of what was going on there! and since none of the Brave nations all around Kuwait and the UN wasn't doing anything about it, the US went to them and said..this needs to be done now! You know as well as I know...every country in that region was scared shitless of Saddam, nobody messed with him and his Red army! so let's not play ping pong with facts..No country in the middle east would dare stand up to him! The US only involved the UN so their would be world support and understanding why we were doing what we did!
Didn't seem to think the United nations was full of terrorists when you asked us to help in Desert Storm 1.
And yes we did think and know they were full of terrorist, they still are! But in order to alert the middle east we were coming not to take Kuwaits oil as Saddam was doing but to give their country back to them! and to get their blessing if you will as an olive branch, so they didn't think they were next, we went to the UN...but make no mistake about the US didn't need the UN to do what we did! Saudi Arabia was more then happy to let us use their landing strips....especially when they realized his Red army was headed toward them next, he wanted to control the oil in the region not just his country! Several of the countries in the area, didn't just join in or follow us because they knew it was the right thing to do....Oh No! No! they knew they were next if he wasn't stopped! and Having the US lead the march was only prudent, and having the US military might on their side was a smart way to go! So let's not bullshit each other with petty sematics that amount to nothing!
And another thing we don't call the people in the middle east Terrorist....Think man Think! We call the Terrorist ...Terrorist Jihadist....as they like to say! when in reality their nothing more then murders! in the name of Allah!
Fancy going head to head with me, I'm smarter than you could ever hope to be. This has to be among one of the "Dumbest" things you've said? You don't know me and have no idea what I know or don't know? Not a very bright statement from one who boast how bright they are!
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/5/2008 5:13:57 PM |
I'll be convinced that it's because of racial bigotry and you'll never convince me otherwise. Wow! the old race card within the democratic party! I'm always amazed at how the party who claims to be non racist pulls the race card over and over! Your party was founded on Racism...Remember the civil war? the Republicans lead the fight to end racism and slavery, the south Democrats wanted slaves! Think man Think...what did our little Billy just say in NC...Obama pulled the race card first! If Hillary looses will it be because of gender too?
Have you ever thought that many people just don't agree with their politics? there's a idea! | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/5/2008 5:24:47 PM | It's very ironic that certain people can only think one way, with tunnel vision..
No chance of course that they just decided he wasn't experienced enough or that he doesn't think on his feet fast enough, or he's too uncertain about answering questions, or that just maybe he wasn't the right guy. Got to be about the color of his skin. Sheesh!
Fact is, among black voters, the pro-Obama group is setting at about 90-95% overall. Among other demographics it's much closer to 50-50 with little regard to race. That hardly depicts racial persecution against Obama. Let's keep in touch with reality rather than what we'd prefer to believe.
-Suth'nBoy
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/5/2008 7:23:23 PM | Hey Poco,
you want us to believe that the republicans are the party that is leading the struggle to achieve real racial equality now. You must be joking. You sound anachronistic in the extreme. Things change in history. Look where all those southern democrats are now: in the Republican party. Why? Is it because the Republican Party is leading the fight for racial equality? If you believe that you aren't just "poco," you really are "mucho loco." The bigots and racist scum are in the party which gives them space and comfort, where they can rub elbows with the wizards of the KKK. That party now is the Republican party, which somewhere in history lost the way that had followed under the leadership of Lincoln. Abe would not be happy seeing what his party has become.
You are just trying to justify spewing racial hate now and feel good about being a republican because of its history. Being anachronistic is another form of simple ignorance. | |
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