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 NwMke

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Posted: 5/6/2008 11:51:09 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br31mdP8-Ug

Here is a toast to our friends to the north who think the sun only shines in their back yard. It would appear you may have itty bitty problems of your own to deal with.

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 CharlesEdm

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Posted: 5/7/2008 1:09:07 AM
OMG manitoba is going to join the USA?

the vast majority of Canadian trade is with the USA. We want to continue to have access to your markets. Pardon me if I don't tremble in fear due to the throne speech of one of our least politically and economically influential provinces.

Oh sorry.

THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING.
 NwMke

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Posted: 5/7/2008 1:59:59 AM
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Yeh charles and bush comes with it as a package deal, he is one of the least influential presidents here too so you aint got nuttin ta worry about. I am sure they broadcast that every day so everyone could bust a gut laughing at those insignificant manitoba neocon comedians. Sorry didnt mean to disturb your sleep man... LOL
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 CharlesEdm

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Posted: 5/7/2008 2:09:23 AM
Hey NwMke it's readily apparent that you have no idea how Canadian politics works. It's pretty much impossible to change ANYTHING at the structural level here, it makes your constitutional reform rules look simple by comparison.

Additionally our supreme court has a tendency to be much less partisan than yours, so the government if it attempted to rail road something through (which would be impossible, due to the make up of the house) they'd get shut down so fast it's not even funny.

I know you're not interested in facts here though. LOL Otherwise we wouldn't be having a serious discussion about Manitoba's throne speech and how it relates to foreign policy.
 NwMke

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Posted: 5/7/2008 2:11:31 AM
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Hmm it seems the ink isnt even dry on the paper yet.

oh yeh and I certainly would be interested in the "facts" however I rarely see any coming from you unfortunately.

So ya got any? (Facts that is)

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 a bit nomadic

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Posted: 5/7/2008 4:04:36 AM
so.... are yall gonna put your horns on and run head first at each other?

I don't know anything about Canada's dirty little secret, but I could quite enjoy that!
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 CharlesEdm

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Posted: 5/7/2008 4:24:57 AM
Some facts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amendments_to_the_Constitution_of_Canada


Since the patriation of the Constitution in 1982, a more complete amending formula has been adopted in the Constitution Act, 1982, in sections 38 to 49. Amendments can only be passed by the Canadian House of Commons, the Senate, and a two-thirds majority of the provincial legislatures representing at least 50% of the national population (the 7/50 formula). Though not constitutionally mandated, a popular referendum in every province is also considered to be necessary by many, especially following the precedent established by the Charlottetown Accord (see below).

If a constitutional amendment only affects one province, however, only the assent of that province's legislature is required. Eight of the ten amendments passed so far have been of this nature, with four passed by and for Newfoundland and Labrador, one passed for New Brunswick, one for Nunavut, one for Prince Edward Island, and one for Quebec. Some of the above did also require approval by the federal Parliament under section 43(b) due to the English and French nature of the amendment.

There are some parts of the Constitution that can only be modified by a unanimous vote of all the provinces plus the two Houses of Parliament, however. These include changes to the composition of the Supreme Court of Canada, changing the process for amending the constitution itself, or any act affecting the Offices of the Canadian Monarch or Governor General.


Changing the constitution for the country is bloody near impossible, multiple federal governments with actual majorities have attempted to make large changes, they fail every time.

Essentially anybody who fears that our government will join with the United States without our consent, does NOT understand Canadian politics.
 *thebestguyhere*

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Posted: 5/7/2008 5:17:08 AM
Actually Many of us have known about this for years but most Canadians like those Americans that were too busy watching dancing with the stars to take a minute to do some research. The Governments count on this complacency so they can do whatever they want.

They hold and sign things in these meetings secretly without any over sight and then don't even feel it's necessary to announce what they've done to the people. Does that not sound like a conspiracy to anyone ?

We have over 800 coalitions now across Canada that are trying to Stop this ( I belong to my local peace coalition and get reports from the others ) but I doubt it will do any good since some people just won't wake up and think the Governments are acting in their best interests. How silly that is huh ?

Harper is an NWO sellout and also belongs to the bilderberg group. His Family is also in the oil business ( Ironic huh ? )

Canadian activists, We are change canada and a few other civil rights groups have been working hard to promote the true message to canadians but I fear it will be too late.

Manitoba huh ? Divide and Conquer? Coming right up the middle ?

If people don't start finally growing a brain we are going to lose everything.
Recently Harper made it clear that in press meetings and scrums that only the people of "his" choosing from the media can ask questions ? What is that ?

Yes Charles the sky is now falling but unfortunately some people need to have a brick fall on their heads before they will wake up.

Keep watching the news if you want to stay thoroughly uninformed. except perhaps this from CNN http://youtube.com/watch?v=PaXrXK9HWXs
 CharlesEdm

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Posted: 5/7/2008 6:17:13 AM
Yup that minority government is going to get the cooperation of the other parties, AND the provincial governments for massive constitutional reform that the Canadian people don't want.
 bf109 Emil

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Posted: 5/7/2008 8:50:12 AM
Manitoba???Polar Bears, blue bombers and mosquitoes...
When are the democrats going to come to power and erase NAFTA...Canada should join the E.U. The EU now has 27 countries, soon to add Turkey, Serbia and?? When the expansion as predicted adds countries from the middle east, north africa and parts of Asia, The once dominated World Leader of trade will be left on the outside, sales to numerous countries it relies on will dwindle, as will the US economy...Britian held the torch after the sinking of the French fleet at Trafalgar until WW1, then it was passed to the United States, and has claimed dominant until recently, but as did the Roman Empire, The Ottoman empire, Mongulian rule of Genghis Khan...All empires eventual loose steam and fall either financially,militarily
or changing of foreign politics...and who wants to tie their ship to a sinking boat

...maybe this will sweeten the pot
They have only recently been considered to be part of the world's oil reserves, as higher oil prices and new technology enable them to be profitably extracted and upgraded to usable products. Oil sand is often referred to as non-conventional oil or crude bitumen, in order to distinguish the bitumen and synthetic oil extracted from tar sands from the free-flowing hydrocarbon mixtures known as crude oil traditionally produced from oil wells. See Bituminous rocks.

Oil sands may represent as much as 2/3 of the world's total petroleum resource, with at least 1.7 trillion barrels (270 km³) in the Canadian Athabasca Oil Sands and perhaps 235 billion barrels (37,400,000,000 m³) of extra heavy crude in the Venezuelan Orinoco tar sands [2], compared to 1.75 trillion barrels (278 km³) of conventional oil worldwide, most of it in Saudi Arabia and other Middle-Eastern countries. Between them, the Canadian and Venezuelan deposits contain about 3.6 trillion barrels (422 km³) of oil in place. This is only the remnant of vast petroleum deposits which once totaled as much as 18 trillion barrels (2,100 km³), most of which has escaped or been destroyed by bacteria over the eons.,
 *thebestguyhere*

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Posted: 5/7/2008 5:25:45 PM

massive constitutional reform that the Canadian people don't want.

Is that a typo ? we "don't" want constitutional reform ? all our rights as canadians are being severely neglected lately through secrecy and source ommisions on policy.
 kursk

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Posted: 5/10/2008 10:07:30 PM
"Additionally our supreme court has a tendency to be much less partisan than yours, so the government if it attempted to rail road something through (which would be impossible, due to the make up of the house) they'd get shut down so fast it's not even funny"

Just a quick aside.. but..the Canadian supreme court since PM Pierre Trudeau in 1968 has been stacked with nothing BUT liberal and (L)iberal partisan activist judges..!! In fact , it was so bad that up until recent reforms, activist judges were deigning to make policy that THEY felt was necessary, disregarding the will of parliament and the people of Canada!..without control, they have proven to be the most partisan supreme court of any western nation that uses a hierarchical style of judiciary.


Right..back to the regularly scheduled movie..
 CharlesEdm

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Posted: 5/10/2008 11:10:11 PM
Is that a typo ? we "don't" want constitutional reform ? all our rights as canadians are being severely neglected lately through secrecy and source ommisions on policy.


Constitutional reform is very specific, you don't get vote "for constitutional reform" it's done on a provision by provision basis.

So are you playing dumb? or did you honestly not realize I was talking about the constitutional reform required to cause a merger with the USA?


Just a quick aside.. but..the Canadian supreme court since PM Pierre Trudeau in 1968 has been stacked with nothing BUT liberal and (L)iberal partisan activist judges..!! In fact , it was so bad that up until recent reforms, activist judges were deigning to make policy that THEY felt was necessary, disregarding the will of parliament and the people of Canada!..without control, they have proven to be the most partisan supreme court of any western nation that uses a hierarchical style of judiciary.


you have no idea what you're talking about do you? Considering that the entire point of an entrenched constitution is that the judiciary can over ride unconstitutional legislation. Additionally the government always has access to the not withstanding clause.

Finally how in the world would the judges be activist and overiding the will of parliament, when the vast majority of parliaments since Treudeau have in fact been in Liberal control. Were Liberal judges partisan when they over rode Liberal parliaments?

Most partisan judiciaries compared to WHAT?
 mungojoe

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Posted: 5/11/2008 11:18:01 AM
Harper is an NWO sellout and also belongs to the bilderberg group. His Family is also in the oil business ( Ironic huh ? )

Harper's family was in the oil business, huh?

His father was AN ACCOUNTANT at Imperial and Harper was a freakin' MAIL ROOM CLERK, for Christ's sake.

Yeah it is pretty ironic (but not in the way you try to misrepresent it)

Let's have a little look at some of Canada's Bilderberg attendees shall we?

Marshall McLuhan
Lester B. Pearson
Pierre Trudeau
Jean Chrétien
Paul Martin
Robert L. Stanfield
Preston Manning
Lloyd Axworthy
Frank McKenna
Marc Lalonde
Jacques Parizeau
Robert Bourassa
Ralph Klein
Peter Lougheed
Jeanne Sauvé
Donald S. Macdonald

Real "kings" of the globalist "conspiracy", huh?

What about some international attendees?

Natan Sharansky
Hans Blix
Olof Palme
George Andreas Papandreou

And some US attendees?

Walter F. Mondale
Dean Rusk
Cyrus Vance
John Edwards
Lloyd Bentsen
Christopher Dodd
Dianne Feinstein
Zbigniew Brzezinski
George Stephanopoulos
Bill D. Moyers
Jim Hoagland

Wow, neocons all, huh? (OK, granted that "liberal" in the US means something a little different than everywhere else)


Yes Charles the sky is now falling but unfortunately some people need to have a brick fall on their heads before they will wake up.

Keep watching the news if you want to stay thoroughly uninformed.

Oh yes, those internet conspiracy sites are so full of real, factual information aren't they (new world order, reptilian aliens, etc.)?
 mungojoe

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Posted: 5/11/2008 12:57:03 PM

His father was AN ACCOUNTANT at Imperial and Harper was a freakin' MAIL ROOM CLERK, for Christ's sake.

I forgot to mention that he also worked in an IT position as a COMPUTER PROGRAMMER.

Really "heavy-duty involvement" with "Big Oil", huh?
 NwMke

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Posted: 5/11/2008 2:21:13 PM

No one here has said anything about aliens. Except YOU!

No one here has said anything about reptiles. Except YOU!

Why do you feel the need to come out here and exaggerate and lie like that?

If you had any real facts there would be no need to resort to lying and making shit up.


So you think family begins and ends at "father".

Here are some facts for you:

Bush senior announces the THE NEW WORLD ORDER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo



Cant you at least have some tiny level of integrity in your posts?
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 mungojoe

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Posted: 5/11/2008 3:05:14 PM

No one here has said anything about aliens. Except YOU!

No one here has said anything about reptiles. Except YOU!

Why do you feel the need to come out here and exaggerate and lie like that?

If you had any real facts there would be no need to resort to lying and making shit up.


Nice try dude but, no cigar.

I never said anyone mentioned "alien reptiles". I will repost the statement, see if you can make an attempt to understand what is being said here.

Oh yes, those internet conspiracy sites are so full of real, factual information aren't they (new world order, reptilian aliens, etc.)?

Where is the lie in that? What part of that did I just "make up"?

Bush senior announces the THE NEW WORLD ORDER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo



Cant you at least have some tiny level of integrity in your posts?

You're going to post something like that and accuse me of having no integrity?

Dude, he was talking about the world-wide coalition to kick Saddam out of Kuwait. He was using the term to describe a shift away from nations supporting dictators and terrorists as a means to advance competition between nations and towards international cooperation to isolate them.

From the actual text of the speech

a new world order—can emerge: A new era—freer from the threat of terror, stronger in the pursuit of justice and more secure in the quest for peace. An era in which the nations of the world, east and west, north and south, can prosper and live in harmony.

A hundred generations have searched for this elusive path to peace, while a thousand wars raged across the span of human endeavor, and today that new world is struggling to be born. A world quite different from the one we've known. A world where the rule of law supplants the rule of the jungle. A world in which nations recognize the shared responsibility for freedom and justice. A world where the strong respect the rights of the weak.

This is the vision that I shared with President Gorbachev in Helsinki. He and the other leaders from Europe, the gulf and around the world understand that how we manage this crisis today could shape the future for generations to come.


In the final analysis, our ability to meet our responsibilities abroad depends upon political will and consensus at home. It's never easy in democracies, for we govern only with the consent of the governed. And although free people in a free society are bound to have their differences, Americans traditionally come together in times of adversity and challenge.

Once again, Americans have stepped forward to share a tearful goodbye with their families before leaving for a strange and distant shore. At this very moment, they serve together with Arabs, Europeans, Asians and Africans in defense of principle and the dream of a new world order. That is why they sweat and toil in the sand and the heat and the sun.

If they can come together under such adversity; if old adversaries like the Soviet Union and the United States can work in common cause, then surely we who are so fortunate to be in this great chamber—Democrats, Republicans, liberals, conservatives—can come together to fulfill our responsibilities here.

Not exactly a "global dictatorship", is it?

Now, who did you say was "making shit up"?

I voted for the other guy in '88 but I won't be so disingenuous as to mischaracterize what was actually said.
 NwMke

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Posted: 5/11/2008 3:29:27 PM
Oh yes, those internet conspiracy sites are so full of real, factual information aren't they (new world order, reptilian aliens, etc.)?

Where is the lie in that? What part of that did I just "make up"?


Quote the site used with the reptiles and aliens.

There are none.

Quote the statement used with the reptiles and aliens. (other than YOUR reference)

There are none.

No internet conspiracy site with aliens and reptiles was used in this debate. (other than YOUR reference)

It is your fabrication and LIE.

Thats ok I know you cannot accept that any more than you can accept that conspiracies DO exist even after the pages upon pages of proven conspiracies throughout history that I and others have posted.

So we can add delusional to your list too.



Funny how the words that come out of his mouth from the video transcripts do not match your text isnt it? Maybe Osama bin laden infiltrated his mouth?

Bush senior announces the THE NEW WORLD ORDER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo
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 mungojoe

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Posted: 5/11/2008 4:52:13 PM

Funny how the words that come out of his mouth from the video transcripts do not match your text isnt it? Maybe Osama bin laden infiltrated his mouth?

Actually they do. It is the third audio clip used.

You see your video is edited from many versions. He made essentially the same speech several times.

This is the text of the first clip (the speech announcing the start of the gulf war)

Saddam was warned over and over again to comply with the will of the United Nations: Leave Kuwait, or be driven out. Saddam has arrogantly rejected all warnings. Instead, he tried to make this a dispute between Iraq and the United States of America.

Well, he failed. Tonight, 28 nations -- countries from 5 continents, Europe and Asia, Africa, and the Arab League -- have forces in the Gulf area standing shoulder to shoulder against Saddam Hussein. These countries had hoped the use of force could be avoided. Regrettably, we now believe that only force will make him leave.

Prior to ordering our forces into battle, I instructed our military commanders to take every necessary step to prevail as quickly as possible, and with the greatest degree of protection possible for American and allied service men and women. I've told the American people before that this will not be another Vietnam, and I repeat this here tonight. Our troops will have the best possible support in the entire world, and they will not be asked to fight with one hand tied behind their back. I'm hopeful that this fighting will not go on for long and that casualties will be held to an absolute minimum.

This is an historic moment. We have in this past year made great progress in ending the long era of conflict and cold war. We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves and for future generations a new world order -- a world where the rule of law, not the law of the jungle, governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful -- and we will be -- we have a real chance at this new world order, an order in which a credible United Nations can use its peacekeeping role to fulfill the promise and vision of the U.N.'s founders.

We have no argument with the people of Iraq. Indeed, for the innocents caught in this conflict, I pray for their safety. Our goal is not the conquest of Iraq. It is the liberation of Kuwait. It is my hope that somehow the Iraqi people can, even now, convince their dictator that he must lay down his arms, leave Kuwait, and let Iraq itself rejoin the family of peace-loving nations.

Here is the second one shown in the video

Mr. President, Mr. Speaker, members of the United States Congress. I come to this house of the people to speak to you and all Americans, certain we stand at a defining hour.

Halfway around the world, we are engaged in a great struggle in the skies and on the seas and sands. We know why we're there. We are Americans-- part of something larger than ourselves.

For two centuries we've done the hard work of freedom. And tonight we lead the world in facing down a threat to decency and humanity.

What is at stake is more than one small country, it is a big idea --a new world order, where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind: peace and security, freedom,and the rule of law. Such is a world worthy of our struggle, and worthy of our children's future.

The community of nations has resolutely gathered to condemn and repel lawless aggression. Saddam Hussein's unprovoked invasion -- his ruthless,systematic rape of a peaceful neighbor -- violated everything the community of nations holds dear. The world has said this aggression would not stand,and it will not stand.

Together, we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants. The world has answered Saddam's invasion with 12 United Nations resolutions, starting with a demand for Iraq's immediate and unconditional withdrawal, and backed up by forces from 28 countries of six continents. With few exceptions, the world now stands as one.

The end of the cold war has been a victory for all humanity. A year and a half ago, in Germany, I said our goal was a Europe whole and free. Tonight,Germany is united. Europe has become whole and free, and America's leadership was instrumental in making it possible.


But the world has to wonder what the dictator of Iraq is thinking. If he thinks that by targeting innocent civilians in Israel and Saudi Arabia,that he will gain an advantage - he is dead wrong. If he thinks that he will advance his cause through tragic and despicable environmental terrorism- he is dead wrong. And if he thinks that by abusing coalition P.O.W.s, he will benefit - he is dead wrong.

We will succeed in the Gulf. And when we do, the world community will have sent an enduring warning to any dictator or despot, present or future,who contemplates outlaw aggression.

The world can therefore seize this opportunity to fulfill the long-held promise of a new world order - where brutality will go unrewarded, and aggression will meet collective resistance.

The fourth clip in the video

The consequences of the conflict in the Gulf reach far beyond the confines of the Middle East. Twice before in this century, an entire world was convulsed by war. Twice this century, out of the horrors of war hope emerged for enduring peace. Twice before, those hopes proved to be a distant dream, beyond the grasp of man.

Until now, the world we’ve known has been a world divided – a world of barbed wire and concrete block, conflict and cold war.

Now, we can see a new world coming into view. A world in which there is the very real prospect of a new world order. In the words of Winston Churchill, a "world order" in which "the principles of justice and fair play ... protect the weak against the strong ..." A world where the United Nations, freed from cold war stalemate, is poised to fulfil the historic vision of its founders. A world in which freedom and respect for human rights find a home among all nations.

The Gulf war put this new world to its first test, and, my fellow Americans, we passed that test.

For the sake of our principles, for the sake of the Kuwaiti people, we stood our ground. Because the world would not look the other way, Ambassador [Saud Nasir] al-Sabah, to-night, Kuwait is free.

I don't really need to go on do I...?

As you can see, it each case he was talking about exactly what I said he was talking about. I'll quote it for you...

Dude, he was talking about the world-wide coalition to kick Saddam out of Kuwait. He was using the term to describe a shift away from nations supporting dictators and terrorists as a means to advance competition between nations and towards international cooperation to isolate them.

Now, you were saying...?
 NwMke

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Posted: 5/11/2008 6:03:00 PM
Oh yes, those internet conspiracy sites are so full of real, factual information aren't they (new world order, snip



At least you now agree that the New World Order is NOT some conspiracy theory and in fact is very real sanctioned by government and is the creation of a world government. Of course the only possible way to achieve this lofty goal is to destroy the sovereignty of all nations including ours.

Your conclusion is purely double-think. Geez you fall for anything!

With that again I sufficiently made my point.

Now you can divert by making your case that its for peace and that it is LIMITED specifically to the speech, and of course without any citings to support it while sonny boy puts us in the 100 year war!!!! . LMAO
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 *thebestguyhere*

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Posted: 5/11/2008 6:18:25 PM
No actually your right his Father wasn't an Oil Man , He is .

Harper was born and raised in Toronto before finding employment in the oil and gas industry and moving to Alberta. He attended the University of Calgary, receiving a Masters degree in economics, and lectured at the university. Harper became involved in politics in the mid-80s, but became disillusioned with the government of Brian Mulroney? and the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada. He was especially critical of the PC Party's fiscal policy

And the people who wanted him in power are too.

Harper's background in the petrochemical industry?, and refusal to disclose contributors to his leadership campaigns, raised suspicions that this industry had a hand in both his rise and the policies he espouses.

The Conservative policy declaration, the first official policy document of the newly merged party, of March 2005 doesn’t mention climate change, greenhouse gas? or CO2 emission?s even once. It disavows Kyoto without a word about any alternatives. This is actually a much more extreme position than the Bush Administration which has actually bragged about its performance in reducing greenhouse gas, relative to Kyoto countries.


And this I also found disturbing.

This week, the Harper government proved once again that it is completely out of sync with the Canadian public.

In Nairobi, environmental groups joined forces with opposition MPs and Quebec's environment minister to show the world that Canadians disapprove of the Harper government's "made in Canada" solution to climate change. As the Conservative government struggles to save face before the international community, it is not gaining much sympathy from the Canadian public.

An Environics poll last week revealed that the environment was the second most important issue to Canadians, right behind health care. In contrast, Canada-U.S. relations was fairly low on the priority list for the majority of Canadians.

Ironically, it is the Harper government's emphasis on Canada-U.S. relations that is at the heart of Canada's failure to meet Kyoto targets. Kyoto or no Kyoto, Canada cannot commit to an effective strategy to address climate change unless our government is willing to substantially change our relationship with the U.S.

Canadian energy is consumed primarily by the U.S. Canada signed away significant control over energy when it agreed to a proportional sharing clause under the North American Free Trade Agreement. Under this clause, Canada cannot cut exports to the U.S. no matter what the state of our energy supplies, unless it cuts the same proportion of supplies to Canadians. As a result, Canada now exports 70 per cent of our oil to the U.S. while importing 60 per cent of what we consume from other countries. We cannot cut back on the production of fossil fuels for the U.S. market.

Now, the Security and Prosperity Partnership threatens to take it to another level. This agreement is the real motivation behind the Conservative government's position on climate change. Their so-called "made in Canada" strategy is made for the U.S. Energy integration is a key element of the deep integration agenda enshrined in the SPP and signed by Canada, the U.S. and Mexico in March 2005.

One of the SPP's recommendations is a "continental energy and natural resources pact." This would mean granting U.S. investors greater access to our energy supplies by creating an integrated marketplace -- something for which the Bush administration and the energy industry have been pushing.

At a meeting in Boston two weeks ago, Natural Resources Minister Gary Lunn told energy industry executives, "I want you to know that the Canadian government will do everything we can to support you."

Supporting the U.S. energy industry means Canada cannot introduce tough measures aimed at reducing greenhouse gases. The Alberta oilsands, a major source of greenhouse gas emissions, are more than 50 per cent U.S.-owned, with companies such as Exxon Mobil holding huge shares in the stalled Mackenzie Valley natural gas pipeline and offshore oil drilling in the Maritimes. The overwhelming U.S. ownership of Canadian oil and gas is what the U.S. refers to as "energy security."

Energy integration and an effective Canadian environmental strategy that would meet our Kyoto targets are mutually exclusive priorities. Either we continue to integrate our energy policy with the U.S. for their interests alone, or we get serious about greenhouse gases by creating a real "made in Canada" renewable energy plan. We cannot have them both.

Poll after poll has shown where Canadians stand on Kyoto. If Stephen Harper has his priorities upside down, it is because he has been taking direction from the Bush administration and the energy industry.

Attempting to address climate change without addressing our relationship with the U.S. is futile. Until we can create a "made in Canada" strategy to maintain control over our own energy resources, we will remain tied to a North American energy plan that will put U.S. interests first and the environment last.
 mungojoe

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Posted: 5/11/2008 6:39:08 PM
No actually your right his Father wasn't an Oil Man , He is .

Not reading well tonight?

I said Harpers father was an accountant.

I said that Harper (himself, as in Stephen, as in the current PM) was a "freakin MAIL ROOM CLERK" and a "COMPUTER PROGRAMMER" for Imperial.

Did you catch that? STEPHEN HARPER was a freakin MAIL ROOM CLERK and a COMPUTER PROGRAMMER.

He was NOT a director, an owner, an executive or any other such thing. He was a freakin' PEON.

If that makes him "in the oil business" (as part of some "grand conspiracy" as you imply) then I guess the tens of thousands who also make a basic living with oil companies (from secretaries and mail room clerks to roustabouts and tool pushers) are also "in the oil business" (as part of some "grand conspiracy" as you imply).

At least you now agree that the New World Order is NOT some conspiracy theory and in fact is very real sanctioned by government and is the creation of a world government. Of course the only possible way to achieve this lofty goal is to destroy the sovereignty of all nations including ours.

It requires nothing of the kind.

It requires no more than what occured for Gulf I. The various nations of the world vote (in the UN) to put a stop to an invading dictator and then get their armies together to send him home, just like they did with Saddam in Gulf I.

Pretty straight forward, Saddam invades Kuwait, nations vote to help Kuwait, nations help Kuwait by kicking Saddam back to Iraq. That's all that is required.

Your conclusion is purely double-think. Geez you fall for anything!

Oh, wait, I see now. It was a secret code!

Wow, that's so cool. It must be just like being in the Maquis in 1942.

There they are, huddled around a secret radio waiting, quietly, patiently. Suddenly the radio crackles and those long awaited words spill from the speaker:
"The blind man has a long moustache... The blind man has a long moustache".

Where do I join? Is there an application? Do they have cool decoder rings too?
 *thebestguyhere*

Joined: 3/30/2008
Msg: 23
Is this Canada's dirty little secret?
Posted: 5/11/2008 7:30:28 PM
Mungo fair enough , But think about the position he put himself into from working in that field. A guy who starts out working for a big oil corporation who climbs to rank of Prime Minister of Canada ? His connections made through his own and his fathers connections ?
I doubt that you can honestly deny a connection there ? especially when you read the second quote.
I know how quickly ass kissers get to power positions. Did you know he's dating a woman who used to be the girlfriend of a top Hells Angel ? It was recently in all the papers ? National security ? I know it's unrelated but hey that seems a little risky to me .
 mungojoe

Joined: 11/15/2006
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Is this Canada's dirty little secret?
Posted: 5/11/2008 8:34:23 PM
His connections made through his own and his fathers connections ?

Of course he likely got his job as a mail room clerk because his father worked for the same company. What is unusual about that? Parents have been "pulling strings" to get their kids meaningless entry positions where they work for centuries. It's hardly suspicious. If he was hired straight into an executive position (with no more than the high school diploma Harper had at the time) THEN I might "go hmmm".

Mungo fair enough , But think about the position he put himself into from working in that field. A guy who starts out working for a big oil corporation who climbs to rank of Prime Minister of Canada ?

It still isn't reasonable or accurate to make any assumption about it without doing any basic research. While I already knew the connection was baseless, it only took me about 10 minutes to get the exact dates and info to confirm it.
-moved to Calgary, 1978. Took a "joe job" with Imperial.
-left Imperial to go to university to get his BA in 1981. Took a job with Hawkes, a Calgary MP in 1981.
-graduated with a BA in 1985 (a BA takes 3-4 years, 81-85 is 4 years)
-his political career proceeds from there
-up until 1980 he was a Trudeaumaniac, considered Trudeau the politician he most admired.

I doubt that you can honestly deny a connection there ? especially when you read the second quote.

Considering it only took me ten minutes of the absolute most basic research to track down those dates and info, it is pretty easy to honestly deny that the connection is reasonable even in the face of the second quote.

Did you know he's dating a woman who used to be the girlfriend of a top Hells Angel ? It was recently in all the papers ?

Dude, Harpers married with 2 kids and NO signs of cheating anywhere on the horizon.

It is Maxime Bernier that was dating Julie Couillard (and the Hell's Angel she used to date died 12 years ago).

Research, dude, research, it makes the world a whole lot less mysterious.
 NwMke

Joined: 8/1/2007
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Is this Canada's dirty little secret?
Posted: 5/12/2008 10:47:47 AM
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Canadians protest SPP and NAU!

Trading Democracy for Corporate Rule Part one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp5HOLvKn2I

More:
http://www.slide.com/r/7u6NNYqh5z-Y_5a1r2QaNs8SMtX4aXmg?previous_view=TICKER&previous_action=TICKER_ITEM_CLICK&ciid=2017612633125711388


So whats up with the "so called" canadians on this site? Do you want this er something?
Looks like our candian friends have been holding out on us?


I thought this was rather interesting too

Canadians do have the Right to Bear Arms.

Many Canadians believe (and our government would certainly have us believe) that there is no Right of the citizen to keep arms for their own use and defense, like the US Second Amendment, in Canadian law. To those citizens, I would suggest a bit of reading up on our own history and legal framework. Our right to bear arms is not mentioned in recent documents such as the Constitution or Charter because it's already stated elsewhere in Canadian law.

Our right to keep and bear arms in our own or the country's defense comes from exactly the same place as the American one -- English Common Law, the English Bill of Rights 1689, the writings of Sir William Blackstone in his Commentaries on English Law, and others. All these laws (and indeed the full body of English Law), became part of Canadian law on our Confederation in 1867 with the affirmation of the British North America (BNA) Act.

We have this Right, though our government is attempting to suppress it and deny citizen's their age-old right to self-defense with the egregious and unconstitutional (not to mention horrendously expensive) Firearms Act and other proposals.

It leads one to wonder why the government so wants an unarmed and defenceless populace. See The Legal basis for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in Canada.
http://www.rkba.ca/

Hope ya all keep em clean!

Seems our friends to the north are under attack too huh?

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