| churches teach the fairy tale not the truth-examples given
Posted: 5/7/2008 2:53:46 AM | hi folks how are ya-
im here to expose the fairy tale version of the bible as taught to people in churches who dont bother to check the book behind the pastor.as a scholar with 10,000 realt time study hrs since age 5 i have learned that people aften while well meaning DO NOT even know what the bible really says.
my opiniojn of religion in general in america is that it is at a k5 level for actually understanding nearly anything in context of when it was written and what their mindset was.."study to show thyself approved unto god,a worker that needeth not to be ashamed;rightly dividing the word of truth."
so many people falsely believe they have acquired some gift or ability from god when they know next to nothing and ARENT approved unto god..
as time rolls on ill discuss such topics as the two witnesses and other bible speculations and mysteries.
but the whole focus im trying to do is free your mind from the fairy tale version of the bible so you can see the truth.
"i will show you the truth..and the truth shall set you free."-jesus christ
but------ you will have to be willing to have your dogma and ritualistic tendency to defend what you believe as the correct interpretation just because some pastor church sunday school book or denomination told you something.the hardest thing you will have to do is forget what youve been taught and ACCEPT what the bible is saying.ive seen soooo many people defend something when you show them the truth right in fron of them.
for the record,i certainly AM NOT anti god or evil in anyway.
just when the blinders came off my eyes and i saw the bible for what it was an revelations in its proper context, the whole puzzle started to fall right into place like an epiphony.
dispelled fairy tale number 1-elijah went to heaven in a chariot of fire.
this is the classic example of sunday school books and teachers and time turning one thing into a fairy tale for children.read the account-elijah was taken up into heaven(the sky-this is all that word ever meant)by a WHIRLWIND.the account of something appearing as a chariot of fire and horses
is mentioned as standing between elijah and the people who were following both elijah and elisha.
possibly real possibly just animage dsigned to do a job much like hologram.in either case,elijah was taken into the sky by what we call a tornado.NOT snatched to the mythical realm of eternity to be with god.even enoch didnt do that.other jewish sources and texts reveal that enoch simply was taken into the still existant garden of eden to become a scribe and a liason.
you cannot-i repeat cannot understand some of the mysteries of the bible without studying the other sources too.all you can do is speculate and form a man made theology.
sooo many of those inall forms of christianity you start to see the deceiving hand of satan(theadversary)insidious isnt it?this fairy tale cover teaching goes far far beyond any simple accidents of time.it practically changes the whole bible into a cultic fairy tale that epople expect god to buy into.he wont.
i trust ive made my pt with the example given of elijah and tornado vs a charoit of fire,even the jews didnt belive that or intend that to be stated.the word heaven to them mean simply the sky.
as a matter of fact read on after the accont of the whirlwind, youll find the jews pondering an attempt to go find elijahs body,but elisha said no.why would they attempt to find his body if they believed he was taken to eternity in a chariot made of fire? they wouldnt and they didnt.
next time ill discuss the fantasical notions about demons, satan and that whole cultic, errant and sometimes dangerous philosophy...
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| churches teach the fairy tale not the truth-examples given
Posted: 5/7/2008 3:43:31 AM | possibly real possibly just imagine designed to do a job much like hologram.in either case,Elijah was taken into the sky by what we call a tornado.NOT snatched to the mythical realm of eternity to be with god.even Enoch didn't do that.other Jewish sources and texts reveal that Enoch simply was taken into the still existent garden of eden to become a scribe and a liaison.
you cannot-i repeat cannot understand some of the mysteries of the bible without studying the other sources too.all you can do is speculate and form a man made theology.
sooo many of those in all forms of Christianity you start to see the deceiving hand of Satan(the adversary)insidious isn't it?this fairy tale cover teaching goes far far beyond any simple accidents of time.it practically changes the whole bible into a cultic fairy tale that people expect god to buy into.he wont.
i trust I've made my pt with the example given of Elijah and tornado vs a chariot of fire
I am not familiar with the story of Elijah. Thou if I was a student or yours, you made NO points what so ever, you just said it didn't happen. Why don't you quote scriptures to back your story up?
as a scholar with 10,000 real time study hrs since age 5
How did you keep time? Also if you had this much time to know the truth about what really happened, why did you not learn to spell?
BTW I proof read for you! | |
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| churches teach the fairy tale not the truth-examples given
Posted: 5/7/2008 6:05:34 AM | I only have one thing to say...and its a question
OP: How do YOU KNOW that this is THE truth?
I can accept it is YOUR truth, because it works for you and gels with you and your own make-up, but, have you considered that simple fact?
The written word is 'interpretational'
Unless you were THERE, ya know, you cant actually say it is THE truth.
Now can ya?
You might be as wrong as those goats you are nay saying
Or you might be right
But do you really KNOW if you are right or not?
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| churches teach the fairy tale not the truth-examples given
Posted: 5/7/2008 6:10:10 AM | I think the OP is right though, that in order to properly understand the meaning we'd have to look at it within the context of the mindset at the time. Popular observations, ideals and stuff like that.
The imagery in the bible had to be inspired by life experiences of the writer's in some way.
Why use a particular word to define something, unless the observed relationships that definition possessed at the time, fit the required need of the imagery's meaning.
It's not possible to be motivated to do anything, until we have found a way to relate something to ourselves, in order to find direction and momentum. We're not random number generators. In order to find the most accurate meaning, we need to get into the mindset of the time and see how the definitions used would relate to us.
Now I'm thinking of Manhunter, where Will Graham tries to think like a serial killer in order to find a serial killer.
I'm crazy. | |
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| churches teach the fairy tale not the truth-examples given
Posted: 5/7/2008 6:36:02 AM |
we need to get into the mindset of the time and see how the definitions used would relate to us.
Absolutely! But
a) how would you intend doing that? (got a time machine?) and
b) it is based on the premise that the written word is indeed accurate (unproven)
I'll give you an example of just how difficult an exercise this is.
G'day cobber ya bloody ratbag. Hows it hanging? The ringer just shot through with the jillaroo. Wouldnt you bloody have it?
Question: What did I just say?
That was colloquial Australian launguage from the 21st century
As in NOW
Anyone here will understand it
Did you?
Here is one of the difficulties. Colloquial language REFERS to known but NON LITERAL items which are interpreted correctly to garner the meaning behind it. It all happens in a nanosecond because of FAMILIARITY with terms.
Add to this quandry, time and also geography...and of course language TRANSLATIONS that have already been done.
Anyone who has ever tried to tell a joke translated into another language will know where I am coming from here.
So
a) Is the text correct? (unlikely)
b) If you have been studying an incorrect text what is the liklihood you have it right? (slim)
c) Can you seriously interpret an already translated text back into a context from a time you have no way of referencing in reality (you can only guess)
Can anyone really say YES I HAVE IT RIGHT? (no) | |
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Posted: 5/7/2008 7:57:33 AM | Geez ya sounds like a bonza sheila Saltee. Almost forgot ow proper oz is spoke.
The guy just asked his best mate how he was whilst commenting that the ringer had just done a bunk with the jillaroo and therein sought a sympathetic response.
Gawd proper stralian is soo easy.
'Ang on WG, I'm totally illiterate and you 'aven't asked to delete any of my posts. I'm being victimised again. Need I remind you what 'appened 2000 odd years ago.
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Posted: 5/7/2008 10:13:21 AM | You are absolutely right *salty*. It's freaking next to impossible.
But we don't need to travel back in time.
What we do is pull someone from back then, to our present time, just like the movie Freejack.
Right before their death. So nothing in between then and now will change.  | |
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Posted: 5/8/2008 2:26:27 AM | Dear God and Chellovek
You blokes dont count
[bloody aussies busting in on the slanging matches of religious discussion and chuckin a bit of humor in the pot too!]
And God..you're supposed to be a trinity
Where the other mate?
Think ya betta bugger off for a bit and chew on it eh!
Think about that last sentence folks and what it LITERALLY means
Someone is going to translate that one day
(I'll do it for you now)
Stop fcuking something up the ar*se and go eat something and chew it well instead.
Of course what I really MEANT was
Pause to think on what I said and then return
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Posted: 5/8/2008 3:03:21 AM |
G'day cobber ya bloody ratbag. Hows it hanging? The ringer just shot through with the jillaroo. Wouldnt you bloody have it
That was colloquial Australian launguage from the 21st century
Maybe in an episode of McLouds Daughters it is but hardly regular banter among the masses.
we need to get into the mindset of the time and see how the definitions used would relate to us.
This is a very valid point.
It's difficult to imagine feeling comfortable with such practices as, slavery, foot binding, female circumcision, stonings ,or, [as recently as last century], acceptable racist and sexist attitudes.
But people did, and they were ordinary people like us.
The times, and the society we live in dictate our ethics, don't they? | |
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Posted: 5/8/2008 3:58:00 AM | [Maybe in an episode of McLouds Daughters it is but hardly regular banter among the masses
Pends cobber
Boys of the bush would maybe debate you on that point
Bloody cityites
Where are all these aussies coming from?
[there WERE three of them!!!!!!!!]
Another great example though of (as above poster said) the society we live in affecting our views/speech/interpretations etc
Through the eyes of the beholder
H*ll even we aussies cant all agree
And we're all from the same country and live in the same time
[can we start an aussie religion thread? the gospel according to crocodile dundee perhaps] | |
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Posted: 5/8/2008 5:36:37 AM |
[can we start an aussie religion thread? the gospel according to crocodile dundee perhaps] "That's not a messiah ... THIS is a Messiah."
Actually, he's not without his wisdom:
"Well, you see, Aborigines don't own the land. They belong to it. It's like their mother. See those rocks? Been standing there for 600 million years. Still be there when you and I are gone. So arguing over who owns them is like two fleas arguing over who owns the dog they live on. "
OT: Quit teasing us OP - dispel another fairy tale. | |
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Posted: 5/8/2008 7:35:10 AM | the truth can be found by studying the works of people like David Icke, Sitchen, Tsarion, and so on.
Religion is sun worship.
It is used to control the population.
The higher ups in the hierarchy are aware of this while the general population is fed a story used to manipulate and control them. | |
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Posted: 5/8/2008 7:36:06 AM | What's happened to WG?
When he was here last night he wanted to delete the thread. WG, WG, where for art thou WG?
As far as I can make out Mistress (in the vernacular of the day) Saltry you are mixing Ozzie colloquialisms from the 19th, 20th and 21st centuries some of which during their period of popular usage also had a formal meaning .
Can anyone really say YES I HAVE IT RIGHT? (no)
No, but do I have it wrong? Yes! Are you absolutely sure you're not wrong about that?
Trinity stuff is you lot making up stories again.
Sniffle, sniffle. Wanders off looking for WG.........
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Posted: 5/8/2008 8:56:27 AM | And God..you're supposed to be a trinity
Where the other mate?
Sorry I'm late . . couldn't find a Holden dealer anywhere to fix the Jilleroo.
just when the blinders came off my eyes and i saw the bible for what it was an revelations in its proper context . .
Yeah, I saw it for what it was too, but it appears I've interpreted it differently.
. . hardly regular banter among the masses.
Oh, I dunno. This snippet from a contemporary . . . errr . . .Oz poet.
Sittin' at home last Sunday mornin' me mate Boomerrang. Said he was havin' a few people around for a barbie, Said he might Kookaburra or two.
I said, "Sounds great, will Wallaby there?"
He said "Yeah and Vegemite come too".
So I said to the wife "Do you wanna Goanna?". She said "I'll go if Dingos".
So I said "Wattle we do about Nulla?"
He said "Nullabors me to tears, leave him at home."
It's simple . . really it is.  | |
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Posted: 5/8/2008 4:21:44 PM | Greets Faux
Sorry I'm late . . couldn't find a Holden dealer anywhere to fix the Jilleroo
Gettin jack of the wobblies me ol son
Ya got ya jackeroos muddled over with the jillaroos
Jackeroos are fourbies and jilleroos are generally twobies
(less you count the horses legs)
Anyone care to enlighten this mob on what a 'sheila' is?
The great aussie sheilas
Bonza beauties
(often used here but completely unknown to the masses who use it...it was the BOY on the ships coming out here who was used for sex by the other men on the voyage)
And yet...in language and even current written language, it refers to a woman.
The origins have been lost to the current knowledge pool
But someone will come along later on and translate it and assume almost all the male population of Australia was gay. Because they will find the 'literal' meaning.
But yeah. Keep up the great debate on who has the interpretation right
Personally I think its just a great excuse to fight with people
Love the quotes from the Croc btw!
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Posted: 5/17/2008 2:25:42 AM | yes it does dictate the general view of almost everything as judged by whatever society as a whole..
thank u for your rply,as usual many didnt consider the question and the examples and focused on a word i mis typed or didnt get what i was talkin about at allll...
not one reply from anyone who picked up the bible read it and went oh i see what hes sayin.
one person even thot i was saying the whole thing didnt happen...geezeee....
i see why posting is a waste of time.
one bloke said how do i know exactly what happened?how far off the point can it stray hahahaha...
by the mindset of the time is obtained by my definition by studying what they studied,other writings and commentary outside scripture but what they were exposed to. and read history on the time period.
for instance i studied what was taught in the temple at the time of christ.so i got the same info they did basically as far as doctrine goes.they believed many things differently than christians today do.
all i was saying is that while the bible reports elijah taken into heaven(the sky)by a whirlwind and says a chariot of fire stood in between,churches teach a different version that seems like a fairy tale but read the same bible.i was gonna give example after example as postes went on but too many people act like this is yahoo chat instead of forum and just start to attack the guy posting.
hagd
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Posted: 5/17/2008 2:36:15 AM | yeah my sticky keys crap made many typos im sure sorry.
i actually made many pts its just somethin you almost have to be familiar with to even see it....kinda...sorta lol.
i never said it didnt happen i said sunday school teaches a differing version than that of the bible they espouse.
anyway the whole pt is that it isnt just that example...what people popularly believe about theology from the bible is based on altered fairy tales like that.like a religion that is being masked by a powerless fake kiddie version of it.
i believe a verse somewhere says sumthing about "having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof..."and in the end days christ reports in revelations that millions will stand b4 him saying"
"lord lord i cast out demons and i went to church etc etc "and jesus basically replies "who are you again? i never knew who you were."paraphrased of course.
in this reply ill give ya another fairy tale alteration.jesus name was not jesus as you know.
it was yeshua, a variant of joshua.makes me wonder why people use the name of jesus over and over instead of yeshua. i mean does pedro cahnge his name to peter when he moves to a different country?does yakov from russia change his name?no.why the translators need to change names i don tknow but if its power in the name of jesus...then whos jesus?his name was yeshua...making a pt about how far weve strayed and i learn sumthin new every day.have a gr8 day dood. | |
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Posted: 5/17/2008 8:57:16 AM |
im here to expose the fairy tale version of the bible as taught to people in churches who dont bother to check the book behind the pastor
Did you expose it yet? If so I missed it.
as a scholar with 10,000 realt time study hrs since age 5 i have learned that people aften while well meaning DO NOT even know what the bible really says.
Are you saying that you have 10,000 hours of reading the Bible?
my opiniojn of religion in general in america is that it is at a k5 level for actually understanding nearly anything in context of when it was written and what their mindset was
Are you saying that the Bible is at a K5 reading level?
the hardest thing you will have to do is forget what youve been taught and ACCEPT what the bible is saying
What exactly is the Bible saying then? What are we suppose to forget?
you cannot-i repeat cannot understand some of the mysteries of the bible without studying the other sources too.all you can do is speculate and form a man made theology.
Yet, you have managed to do exactly what you say not to do.
sooo many of those inall forms of christianity you start to see the deceiving hand of satan(theadversary)insidious isnt it?this fairy tale cover teaching goes far far beyond any simple accidents of time.it practically changes the whole bible into a cultic fairy tale that epople expect god to buy into.he wont.
First off I hardly think God would need to buy into anything. Second, you assume you know what God would and wouldn't do? What did you do to formulate that opinion of what God will accept? | |
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Posted: 5/17/2008 9:17:46 AM |
believe a verse somewhere says sumthing about "having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof..."and in the end days christ reports in revelations that millions will stand b4 him saying"
"lord lord i cast out demons and i went to church etc etc "and jesus basically replies "who are you again? i never knew who you were."paraphrased of course.
in this reply ill give ya another fairy tale alteration.jesus name was not jesus as you know.
10,000 hrs wow!
How about another 5 minutes of study and observe that Jesus never said this in Revelation.
Anyways what the heck are you talking about, what is this new discovery...(that everyone is wrong except you?) I guess you don't realize that the revelation prophecies were fulfilled 2000 years ago. | |
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