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| Lawyer who convicted Manson wants GWB charged with mass murder. Posted: 5/11/2008 10:53:43 AM | And I second that motion!!!!!!!!
Bugliosi: George W. Bush Should be Tried for Mass Murder It has been my position for yeas that George W. Bush should be prosecuted for various capital crimes, not the least of which are the deaths following from his wars of naked aggression in Afghanistan and Iraq. [See: US Codes, Title 18, Section 2441] I have urged that a Federal Grand jury bring indictments against George W. Bush,****Cheney, Condo Rice, Don Rumsfeld and numerous other co-conspirators, accomplices and accessories-after-the fact. Now --a heavy hitter, a tough-minded, legendary prosecutor wants to see George W. Bush stand trial for mass murder. Vince Bugliosi is famous for his prosecution of Charles Manson and his ascerbic critique of a Supreme Court decision that made no law --Bush v Gore. He now claims that George W. Bush should stand trial for the crime of mass murder of US citizens.
When George W. Bush said of our "Constitution that it is "... just a Goddamn piece of paper!", he declared himself an outlaw at war with the American people. The Bush administration's culture of fear, hate and contempt for law inspires an epidemic of police lawlessness and thuggery that now terrorizes law-abiding Americans all over America. You can be thrown in jail if 'authorities' merely 'deem' you a 'terrorist'. Under Bush, the high standards found in the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments to the US Constitution no longer apply. You don't get to make a phone call. You don't get to call your lawyer. You don't get to call your wife or husband. You don't get visitors. It is a state of treasonous war, a capital crime for which George W. Bush must answer.
The following material consists of Bugliosi's article in blockquotes followed by my comments. The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder
by Vincent Bugliosi
There is direct evidence that President George W. Bush did not honorably lead this nation, but deliberately misled it into a war he wanted. Bush and his administration knowingly lied to Congress and to the American public — lies that have cost the lives of more than 4,000 young American soldiers and close to $1 trillion.
A Monumental Lie
In his first nationally televised address on the Iraqi crisis on October 7, 2002, six days after receiving the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), a classified CIA report, President Bush told millions of Americans the exact opposite of what the CIA was telling him -a monumental lie to the nation and the world.
On the evening of October 7, 2002, the very latest CIA intelligence was that Hussein was not an imminent threat to the US This same information was delivered to the Bush administration as early as October 1, 2002, in the NIE, including input from the CIA and 15 other US intelligence agencies. In addition, CIA director George Tenet briefed Bush in the Oval Office on the morning of October 7th.
According to the October 1, 2002 NIE, “Baghdad for now appears to be drawing a line short of conducting terrorist attacks with conventional or CBW [chemical and biological warfare] against the United States, fearing that exposure of Iraqi involvement would provide Washington a stronger case for making war.” The report concluded that Hussein was not planning to use any weapons of mass destruction; further, Hussein would only use weapons of mass destruction he was believed to have if he were first attacked, that is, he would only use them in self-defense.
Preparing its declassified version of the NIE for Congress, which became known as the White Paper, the Bush administration edited the classified NIE document in ways that significantly changed its inference and meaning, making the threat seem imminent and ominous.
In the original NIE report, members of the US intelligence community vigorously disagreed with the CIA’s bloated and inaccurate conclusions. All such opposing commentary was eliminated from the declassified White Paper prepared for Congress and the American people.
The Manning Memo
On January 31, 2003, Bush met in the Oval Office with British Prime Minister Tony Blair. In a memo summarizing the meeting discussion, Blair’s chief foreign policy advisor David Manning wrote that Bush and Blair expressed their doubts that any chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons would ever be found in Iraq, and that there was tension between Bush and Blair over finding some justification for the war that would be acceptable to other nations. Bush was so worried about the failure of the UN inspectors to find hard evidence against Hussein that he talked about three possible ways, Manning wrote, to “provoke a confrontation” with Hussein. One way, Bush said, was to fly “U2 reconnaissance aircraft with fighter cover over Iraq, [falsely] painted in UN colors. If Saddam fired on them, he would be in breach” of UN resolutions and that would justify war. Bush was calculating to create a war, not prevent one.
Denying Blix’s Findings
Hans Blix, the United Nation’s chief weapons inspector in Iraq, in his March 7, 2003, address to the UN Security Council, said that as of that date, less than 3 weeks before Bush invaded Iraq, that Iraq had capitulated to all demands for professional, no-notice weapons inspections all over Iraq and agreed to increased aerial surveillance by the US over the “no-fly” zones. Iraq had directed the UN inspectors to sites where illicit weapons had been destroyed and had begun to demolish its Al Samoud 2 missiles, as requested by the UN. Blix added that “no evidence of proscribed activities have so far been found” by his inspectors and “no underground facilities for chemical or biological production or storage were found so far.” He said that for his inspectors to absolutely confirm that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction (WMD) “will not take years, nor weeks, but months.”
Mohamed El Baradei, the chief UN nuclear inspector in Iraq and director of the International Atomic Energy Agency, told the UN Security Council that, “we have to date found no evidence or plausible indication of the revival of a nuclear weapon program in Iraq.”
The UN inspectors were making substantial progress and Hussein was giving them unlimited access. Why was Bush in such an incredible rush to go to war?
Hussein Disarms, so Bush … Goes to War
When it became clear that the whole purpose of Bush’s prewar campaign — to get Hussein to disarm — was being (or already had been) met, Bush and his people came up with a demand they had never once made before — that Hussein resign and leave Iraq. On March 17, 2003, Bush said in a speech to the nation that, “Saddam Hussein and his sons must leave Iraq within 48 hours. Their refusal to do so will result in military conflict.” Military conflict — the lives of thousands of young Americans on the line — because Bush trumped up a new line in the sand?
The Niger Allegation
One of the most notorious instances of the Bush administration using thoroughly discredited information to frighten the American public was the 16 words in Bush’s January 28, 2003 State of the Union speech: “The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.” The Niger allegation was false, and the Bush administration knew it was false.
Joseph C. Wilson IV, the former ambassador to Iraq, was sent to Niger by the CIA in February 2002 to investigate a supposed memo that documented the sale of uranium yellowcake (a form of lightly processed ore) to Iraq by Niger in the late 1990s. Wilson reported back to the CIA that it was “highly doubtful” such a transaction had ever taken place.
On March 7, 2003, Mohamed El Baradei told the UN Security Council that “based on thorough analysis” his agency concluded that the “documents which formed the basis for the report of recent uranium transactions between Iraq and Niger are in fact not authentic.” Indeed, author Craig Unger uncovered at least 14 instances prior to the 2003 State of the Union address in which analysts at the CIA, the State Department, or other government agencies that had examined the Niger documents “raised serious doubts about their legitimacy — only to be rebuffed by Bush administration officials who wanted to use them.”
On October 5 and 6, 2002, the CIA sent memos to the National Security Council, National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, and to the White House Situation Room stating that the Niger information was no good.
On January 24, 2003, four days before the president’s State of the Union address, the CIA’s National Intelligence Council, which oversees all federal agencies that deal with intelligence, sent a memo to the White House stating that “the Niger story is baseless and should be laid to rest.”
The 9/11 Lie
The Bush administration put undue pressure on US intelligence agencies to provide it with conclusions that would help them in their quest for war. Bush’s former counterterrorism chief, Richard Clarke, said that on September 12, 2001, one day after 9/11, “The President in a very intimidating way left us — me and my staff — with the clear indication that he wanted us to come back with the word that there was an Iraqi hand behind 9/11.”
Bush said on October 7, 2002, “We know that Iraq and the Al Qaeda terrorist network share a common enemy — the United States of America. We know that Iraq and Al Qaeda have had high level contacts that go back a decade,” and that “Iraq has trained Al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gasses.” Of Hussein, he said on November 1, 2002, “We know he’s got ties with Al Qaeda.”
Even after Bush admitted on September 17, 2003, that he had “no evidence” that Saddam Hussein was involved with 9/11, he audaciously continued, in the months and years that followed, to clearly suggest, without stating it outright, that Hussein was involved in 9/11.
On March 20, 2006, Bush said, “I was very careful never to say that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack on America.”
Vincent Bugliosi received his law degree in 1964. In his career at the L.A. County District Attorney’s office, he successfully prosecuted 105 out of 106 felony jury trials, including 21 murder convictions without a single loss. His most famous trial, the Charles Manson case, became the basis of his classic, Helter Skelter, the biggest selling true-crime book in publishing history. The Prosecution of George W. Bush For Murder is available May 27.
For more information visit www.prosecutionofbush.com When Bush said that the "Constitution is just a Goddamned piece of paper", he aligned himself with Hitler, Mussolini, Mao --"state absolutists", fascists, and/or radical communists. Bush declared war on the American people, our Constitution, the Bill of Rights, Democracy and freedom. The peace, therefore, is already broken and, by Bush's declaration, a state of war exists between Bush and the sovereign people of the United States.
Criminals and traitors have seized power illegitimately and operate outside the law i.e, the Constitution so hated by Bush. So far, this gang of crooks have had nothing to fear from the impeachment process though there is probable cause to try Bush himself for capital crimes. As Bush jokes about remaining in power past his term, Americans as well as Iraqis are brutalized without charges, trial or representation. Under Bush, jackbooted thugs may not bother accusing you of a crime. They need only 'define' you as a terrorist. [See: Police Atrocities Define the Bush Police State]
Bush's "War on Terror" is as fraudulent as is the official 911 conspiracy theory which justifies it. It is as untruthful as the uncountable lies told to the United Nations and the world about Iraq. Benazir Bhutto spoke the truth shortly before her death: if US foreign policy does not support world wide terrorism directly, it is, at least, the very cause of it! It is a charge supported by official FBI statistics, published originally by the Brookings Institution. The proposition that terrorism is the inevitable result of imperial aggressions explains Bush's incompetent economic policies as well as America's fascist tilt. That terrorism is always worse under GOP regimes is a demonstrable, statistical fact and for daring to publish it, I was attacked by the right wing Heritage Foundation. My rebuttal remains unanswered.
The CIA creates terrorism two ways by indulging it as a tactic and by inspiring it with US imperial excesses. The legacy of Blackwater USA, an international terrorist organization, will have inspired generations of "terrorists" resorting to a tactic against which top down fascist regimes are impotent. Bush has failed to make us safe. He has, rather, made the world a much, much more dangerous place. And for this --we have given up the cornerstone of American freedom.
Bush has abrogated or violated every provision of the US Bill of Rights, arguably the most important document standing between you and tyranny! [See: Bush's War on the Bill of Rights] Next, an increasingly desperate Bush administration will try to crack down on the internet, among the dwindling sources of truth in a new age of Orwellian suppression!
Bush has put himself above the rule of law even as he denies you the benefit and the protections that are yours under the law! There is a name for this --dictatorship!
A Roper Poll of October 1999 indicated that the American people supported the International Criminal Court by a margin of 66% to only 29% opposed. While public support for the court has not 'translated' into US national policy, the Bush administration worked overtly to subvert the ICC and place 'themselves' above international, universal prohibitions against aggressive war and torture! Bushco anticipated problems with international laws long before 911 and, therefore, sought to place themselves beyond prosecution or justice. A bill sponsored by then House Speaker Tom Delay authorized Bush to order a military attack on the Hague should Americans find themselves on trial for war crimes. Only a crooked regime would plan in advance to subvert only those international laws that made their plans a capital crime.
That record of deceit itself is probable cause to indict George Bush,****Cheney, Condoleeza Rice, Donald Rumself, Colin Powell and others in his administration in connection with a 'false flag' attack --911! Bush's order that forensic evidence related to the crime of 911 be destroyed is 'probable cause' to indict Bush for 'obstruction of justice' or worse ---mass murder! Only those guilty of crimes work overtly to cover them up.
Bush's disregard of American or world opinion is matched by his utter contempt for the the US Constitution, indeed, the very rule of law. The Constitution --he screamed, impatiently --is "just a Goddamned piece of paper!" Clearly --Bush had planned to trash the Constitution even before 911.
Iraq, of course, had nothing whatsoever to do with 911 and Saddam Hussein, like Manuel Noreiga, had been a CIA puppet. While Saddam never had WMD, his independent will was, in Bush's opinion, a cause to invade, begin the construction of permanent bases, and the permanent theft of Iraqi resources.
At Abu Ghraib, Bush would find a test of his ability to place the US above international laws designed to prevent, or, at least, punish the those who perpetrate atrocities. To this end, Bush employed the dubious talents of Alberto Gonzales and John Yoo, toadies who would tell Bush what he wanted to hear, that is, that he was above the international laws that were, in fact, designed to prevent the very crimes Bush had in mind.
Is the Bush administration a failed presidency? No! Bush will leave office having enriched his base by trashing the Constitution. That's all he ever cared about. He will leave office hated by the American people whose lives he ruined and by the people of Iraq whose lives he snuffed with a smirk.
http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2008/05/bugliosi-george-w-bush-should-be-tried.html | |
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| Lawyer who convicted Manson wants GWB charged with mass murder. Posted: 5/11/2008 10:59:37 AM | It'll never happen...
Nevertheless, I agree if we actually had any real congressmen he should have been impeached long ago. However the Facist Corprotism runs Washington and they have no concern for the people just concerned about how to better let Business rule over the populace... | |
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| Lawyer who convicted Manson wants GWB charged with mass murder. Posted: 5/11/2008 11:06:44 AM | ...and who should know better than a fellow who prosecuted another maniac who ordered the killings of innocents.
that read gave me chills...
don't give up TG .... we can only try and supporting people who say they are going to at least investigate is a start.... | |
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| Lawyer who convicted Manson wants GWB charged with mass murder. Posted: 5/11/2008 6:00:45 PM | | Wasn't Augusto Pinochet, ex-dictator of Chile, arrested in London based on an indictment in Spain? I know he never stood trial....but it's still an interesting case. I've wondered whether our war criminals, sometime maybe after they are out of office, could be indicted in another country and maybe arrested when on holiday somewhere? | |
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| Lawyer who convicted Manson wants GWB charged with mass murder. Posted: 5/11/2008 6:04:27 PM | | Do you realize ( although not a politician ) How many countries Rockefeller is wanted in for treason ? And you may ask why I mention him , It's his little crew of elites that are actually running america from behind closed board room doors. | |
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| Lawyer who convicted Manson wants GWB charged with mass murder. Posted: 5/11/2008 7:21:29 PM | Pinochet was arrested in London based on an indictment out of Spain, yes. The indictment, and the whole thing, was really an essentially Latin affair but it just so happened that he was captured finally in London. It all had to do with a vast (and brutal) anti-Leftist sweep which emanated out of South America from about the mid-1970's, with help from CIA based in Panama. It was dubbed "Operation Condor"...
"When Augusto Pinochet was arrested in London in 1998 in response to Spanish magistrate Baltasar Garzón's request for his extradition to Spain, information concerning Condor was revealed. One of the lawyers who asked for his extradition talked about an attempt to assassinate Carlo Altamirano, leader of the Chilean Socialist Party: it was claimed that Pinochet met Italian terrorist Stefano Delle Chiaie during Franco's funeral in Madrid in 1975 in order to have Altamirano murdered.[26] But as with Bernardo Leighton, who was shot in Rome in 1975 after a meeting the same year in Madrid between Stefano Delle Chiaie, former CIA agent Michael Townley and anti-Castrist Virgilio Paz Romero, the plan ultimately failed..."
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| Lawyer who convicted Manson wants GWB charged with mass murder. Posted: 5/11/2008 7:36:02 PM | Nero, you kind of make it sound like the arrest of Pinochet was part of an anti-leftist sweep. I'm sure that's not what you mean....but do you want to clarify?
I remember that when Pinochet was arrested based on the Spanish warrant, it was all very embarrassing because he was such good friends with Margaret Thatcher--had often been a guest at her house, but I can't remember whether he was actually her guest when the warrant came through.
but I think that one of the important things in this case was the acceptance of an idea of international or universal jurisdiction, when it comes to the commission of "international" crimes. I myself accept the idea of this... | |
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| Lawyer who convicted Manson wants GWB charged with mass murder. Posted: 5/11/2008 7:42:16 PM | a bit nomadic, definitely I would clarify yes: Pinochet's arrest was based on an indictment from Spain, and was NOT part of any sort of "anti-Leftist sweep", no. Of course not. Operation Condor , in which Pinochet played a large part, was the vast anti-Leftist sweep that I was referring to. One of the crimes Pinochet committed during that time -- I believe hiring the Italian to kill the (Spanish-born) official of the Chilean Socialist Party -- was what got him arrested finally ......in London as it happened. When he died he knew he was going to have to stand trial, and he was under investigation for something called Operation Columbo (the disappearances of over 100 suspected leftists).
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20000724/dinges <-------crash, here's one at least! | |
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| Lawyer who convicted Manson wants GWB charged with mass murder. Posted: 5/11/2008 7:51:27 PM | Nero I'm looking for the list but you might find this some interesting reading till I post it ? did you know that the only rockefeller to become president was Bill Clinton the son of Winthrop Rockefeller ? you will find that bit of info at the bottom of the page. I always wondered how anyone who did as much coke as the Clintons could be made so powerful and well ........Now you know!
Thank God that the ONLY Rockefeller to reach the White so far is William Jefferson Clinton— the son of Winthrop Rockefeller!!
Imagine the financial clout that it takes to have a Constitutional Amendment passed. It requires total control of the Senate, House of Representatives and most all of the 50 states. During the Senate hearing for the appointment of Nelson in 1974, various attempts were make to estimate the Rockefeller billions. None even came close. One figure that was mentioned was 70 billion dollars. Newsweek (Rockefeller owned) says that the fortune was "beyond calculation."
http://www.reformation.org/rockefeller-for-president.html
I don't actually have time to read the whole thing again to find the list but it's all in here and it's a great site to learn the rockefeller history.
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| Lawyer who convicted Manson wants GWB charged with mass murder. Posted: 5/11/2008 8:01:51 PM | | ....make sure you are on target with that bud....I'd hate to see you made into an ass as I love the majority of your posts..... you'd think this would have come out before now if it's true? not saying it isn't, but don't do what we're doing a disfavor by being misinformed bro.... | |
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| Lawyer who convicted Manson wants GWB charged with mass murder. Posted: 5/11/2008 8:05:13 PM | Crash seriously It's fact but I just don't have time at the moment to find where I read it. I know how quickly you get berated in here if your information is false:( If you are referring to the clintons doing coke google the clinton chronicles it's an eye opener. | |
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| Lawyer who convicted Manson wants GWB charged with mass murder. Posted: 5/11/2008 8:08:21 PM | I'll eat my manolo blahniks if anyone can provide any serious evidence that Bill Clinton is an illegitimate Rockefeller.
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Nero: I think that one of the interesting things about the Spanish indictment against Pinochet was several indictments for torture crimes. I don't know how many of these were listed as specifically against Spanish citizens...but the idea of torture being an indictible crime in an international jurisdiction is something that presumably could have some legs if someone wanted to try, at some point, to indict members of our current administration without first having to find a way to get them in front of an "international" court....? Do you think?
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| Lawyer who convicted Manson wants GWB charged with mass murder. Posted: 5/11/2008 8:27:10 PM | QUOTE: but the idea of torture being an indictible crime in an international jurisdiction is something that presumably could have some legs if someone wanted to try, at some point, to indict members of our current administration without first having to find a way to get them in front of an "international" court....? Do you think?
sigh. Or is this is the stuff that dreams are made of......
^^ For the moment it is. But perhaps not forever. I think they could be held responsible ideally for what amount to war crimes , basically, if nothing else. Here we have one example of what (I feel) a possible future international indictment could look like.
http://www.bushcommission.org/?q=node/22
Mainly these parts here would be what I would push for (not that the others are not important, but...there would have to be some sort of international "focus" and agreement; it couldn't be such a scattershot type of indictment.... therefore IMO keep the focus on the obvious and most important transgressions of this administration , such as the illegal unprovoked Iraq invasion and occupation, and the illegal detentions, torture, etc.).
Wars of Aggression
The Commission will inquire into the following charges:
Count 1: The Bush administration authorized a war of aggression against Iraq.
Count 2: The Bush administrations authorized conduct of the war that involved the commission of “war crimes.”
Count 3: The Bush administration authorized the occupation of Iraq involving, and continuing to involve, the commission of “war crimes”, “crimes against humanity” and other illegal acts.
full indictment
Torture and Indefinite Detention
The Commission will inquire into the following charges:
Torture:
Count 1: The Bush administration authorized the use of torture and abuse in violation of international humanitarian and human rights law and domestic constitutional and statutory law.
Rendition:
Count 2: The Bush administration authorized the transfer (“rendition”) of persons held in U.S. custody to foreign countries where torture is known to be practiced.
Illegal Detention:
Count 3: The Bush administration authorized the indefinite detention of persons seized in foreign combat zones and in other countries far from any combat zone and denied them the protections of the Geneva Conventions on the treatment of prisoners of war and the protections of the U.S. Constitution.
Count 4: The Bush administration authorized the round-up and detention in the United States of tens of thousands of immigrants on pretextual grounds and held them without charge or trial in violation of international human rights law and domestic constitutional and civil rights law.
Count 5: The Bush administration used military forces to seize and detain indefinitely without charges U.S. citizens, denying them the right to challenge their detention in U.S. courts.
Murder:
Count 6: The Bush administration committed murder by authorizing the CIA to kill those that the president designates, either US citizens or non-citizens, anywhere in the world.
full indictment
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/05/guantanamo200805?printable=true%20currentPage=all
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