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Posted: 5/11/2008 6:09:36 PM | I went to a Roger Waters concert last weekend and he is still playing the same old stuff he wrote back in the 70's. I didnt mind hearing it again but these aging rockers seem to be living off of pure nostalgia now. Rolling Stones, Styx, even Led Zeppelin continue to hammer out the same repitoir that can be heard at any time on any classic music station anywhere in the USA. Its not that these folks are unable to write new material, its just that they know the public is starved for talented showmanship and inspired songwriting that only these well traveled musicians are able to supply. The one hit wonders and cutie pie rockers that the children of the 90's and 00's have grown accustomed to are a shoddy substitution for anything that could be considered entertainment. They get pretty young boys to play simple compositions on contemporary instruments with absolutely no instumental innovation whatsoever. But thats ok because the overemphasis of the lyrics and peotic structure (supposedly) makes up for it. These kids make one or 2 hits then disappear into the scenery only to be supplanted by the next carbon copy wityh all its rock nostalgia rhetoric. Not even so much as a guitar solo or drum take-it-away. I just hope to live long enough to see what becomes of classic rock inthe future. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 6:34:10 PM | I liked the stuff that Lou Reed did with the Killers.
Also, if you like post punk type stuff, B.F.G got back together recently and have a new album out on Attica Records. Not to mention that Crispy Ambulance came out with some stuff when they got back together a few years ago that was even better than what they did back in the early 80s.
Alice Cooper is still somewhat prolific and some of his new stuff is just as good as his old. I saw him live last year, and you wouldn't believe that he was pushing 60 with how hard he rocked.
Led Zeppelin hammers out the same stuff because they're not really a band anymore. Secretly, the Rolling Stones have always kinda sucked except for an odd track here and there and even by the early 70s hadn't really changed the formula any. Waters was always kind of a self indulgent prick, and when his hand was felt strongest in the band, that's when Floyd was at their worst; because of stuff like the Wall, Floyd is cursed to be simultaneously the most overrated and underrated band in rock history.
Also, the former generation had their share of these one hit wonders you're talking about. Some of the bands from today will stand up later on down the road, and many will not. Only time will tell which.
I'm still wondering how amazing stuff like the Dead Boys or the Damned were never canonized into "classic rock", yet anyone turning on classic rock radio is subjected to garbage like Night Ranger and Rod Stewart. And what's the deal with Trans Siberian Orchestra on classic rock radio? They're from the 90s, and they're Mannheim Steamroller for people who drive trucks with stars-n-bars stickers on the tailgate!
And man, whatever happened to the Vanilla Fudge?
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Posted: 5/11/2008 6:36:57 PM |
And man, whatever happened to the Vanilla Fudge?
Hell what about Vanilla Ice? | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 9:49:09 PM | Foo Fighters brother, give them a listen.
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Posted: 5/11/2008 10:22:35 PM | | Sorry to disagree with you, but Pink Floyd is one of thr all time greats, Dark Side Of The Moon, Animals and Wish You Were Here are awsome albums. I veiwed your profile to see your age, and know why you dobt like them, they are from your parents generation.Nothing personal, just a differance of opinon. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 11:23:02 PM | Dylan released an album recently to wide critical acclaim.
As did Bruce Springsteen, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young....more I'm sure...
But did they get played on the radio?
Not much...if at all.
Why?
I guess you'd have to ask the media conglomerates...
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Posted: 5/11/2008 11:48:14 PM | Every generation has musicians that stand out and musicians that just sort of fade into the background. Different musicians write songs differently; what made songs great in previous decades might not have much of a place in the spotlight today. Guitar and drum solos are a prime example of that. As musicians change and as music changes, what is popular will change as well.
On a related note, I JUST got back from Gigantour...Megadeth's travelling metal show. High On Fire, Blood Drunk, Children of Bodom, In Flames, Megadeth; quite a lineup for a metal fan. *laughs* Of all of these, Megadeth stood out, mostly due to their showmanship and solos. I found a lot of people got bored of listening to three minute guitar solos after a while though and toward the end, they started to lose the crowd a bit. Good example of musical change, I suppose. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 12:46:16 AM | | ^^^That's because from a very young age they've been taught to listen and learn in 30 second sound bites. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 6:49:28 AM | I like the old stuff. I'll never get tired of it.
I was listening to a classic rock station last night & they played something from the Smashing Pumpkins from 1995. I guess they're now considered "classic."
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Posted: 5/12/2008 7:07:38 AM | | Vanilla Fudge just put out an album of.... Led Zeppelin covers. Not enough can be said aout this group... they played loud, heavy and with no overdubs, maintaining an integrity which few others follow or can stick to. Anyone who has seen Vanilla Fudge in recent days...is usually left wanting more, cause they still rock out...and are much more entertaining than the 'main act' for whom they open for. Too bad their sets couldn't be at least one song longer... | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 1:35:57 PM |
Waters was always kind of a self indulgent prick, and when his hand was felt strongest in the band, that's when Floyd was at their worst; because of stuff like the Wall, Floyd is cursed to be simultaneously the most overrated and underrated band in rock history.
Not sure I follow this. Care to elaborate?
I'm still wondering how amazing stuff like the Dead Boys or the Damned were never canonized into "classic rock", yet anyone turning on classic rock radio is subjected to garbage like Night Ranger and Rod Stewart.
I agree with this 100%.
I'll give Rod the Wad his dues for his longevity and influence on subsequent acts to follow, but I'd never call him a quality artist.
The Damned were/are incredible. One of my favorites, actually. I find it sad that they're now opening for the likes of Rob Zombie. They're rather iconic.
This is one reason I kind of reject the label of "classic rock" altogether. It doesn't really mean what it's supposed to. Much of the music that gets lumped into this category is simply crusty and outdated. There's nothing classic about it. While countless seminal and groundbreaking bands remain mere footnotes in rock and roll history. I'd consider something like Bad Brains way more classic than something like Mountain.
OP - A lot of what you are talking about has to do with a change within the industry. Whereas in decades past they were more interested in producing career artists, now they are more interested in churning out disposable one hit wonders. Apparently, it's more lucrative from the business side to do it this way, and the industry has no interest in "art." They're all about money. So it's become harder and harder if you're a band to have any kind of longevity particularly with a major label. That's a big reason why a lot of bands are starting their own labels now. More creative control and less bullshìt. More of a shot at sticking around.
Honestly, I gave up on major labels and mainstream radio/MTV a long time ago. That's not to say that some quality stuff doesn't occassionally pop up there every now and then, but I'm always surprised when it does. And it's never (at least to me) worth waiting through all the predictable, recycled bullshìt in hopes of something new.
Most of the truly classic bands from this era aren't selling a million records. You have to kind of go looking for them. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 2:11:38 PM | | going to agree with this guy . . . .it's in the music industry's best interests to dispose of artists as nothing more than fodder for their profit margins. and if anybody is waiting for a quality artist through conventional channels like the OP then good luck to you, you won't find anything remotely good to listen to | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 3:52:05 PM | | rock isnt compleatly dead, it just moved on. though it isnt as creative as it was. i prefer the old stuff. iron maiden has made new stuff as well as thier old stuff. metallica are also making new stuff but arnt as good as thier old stuff though. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 4:41:34 PM | Good rock music moved out of the limelight a LONG time ago....we're talkin' late 70's....but that don't mean shit....good rock will never die....it sticks around in small bars, concert halls, and theaters....and quite frankly...that's the way I like it....cheaper tickets and WAY better acoustics....
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Posted: 5/12/2008 5:17:07 PM |
Sorry to disagree with you, but Pink Floyd is one of thr all time greats, Dark Side Of The Moon, Animals and Wish You Were Here are awsome albums. I veiwed your profile to see your age, and know why you dobt like them, they are from your parents generation.Nothing personal, just a differance of opinon.
I think you may have misunderstood me. I love Pink Floyd. I just hate the when people think of them, they really only think of their later music, like the Wall, which was really self-indulgent and only had a few good songs on it. Obscured by Clouds, Meddle, Ummagumma... those are what I go for when I want to hear Floyd. Too many damn fool kids with their marching hammers shirts, if you ask me... | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 5:27:01 PM | I think this above may have answered the other post.
Also, I own all of Pink Floyd's non-compilation studio albums from Piper through Division Bell as well as their live albums, and my case is that their first 8 albums (Piper at the Gates of Dawn, Saucerful of Secrets, Ummagumma, Relics, More, Atom Heart Mother, Meddle and Obscured by Clouds) are far better Floyd than what are considered to be their most memorable affairs. Darkside was good, but beaten to death, Wish You Were Here was pretty, but ultimately just above average prog-rock synth noodling with some radio hits sandwiched in between, Animals was a good, but uncharacteristically hateful album, and the Wall was a lot of Roger Waters' self-indulgence, too many filler tracks, and really only 3 or 4 GOOD songs. A lot of it struck me as Waters trying to be punk within the realm of Pink Floyd's style; an album saved only David Gilmore's guitar virtuosity. Then the Final Cut just blew a million chunks, because you can't have Pink Floyd without Richard Wright, end of story. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 6:09:01 PM | | I agree that the WALL had alot of filler music on it. Noticed that I did not include The Wall when I listed the 3 best albums, When I saw them in concert Walters was out of the group, Still liked to have seen him. Saw Gilmore IN THE EARLY 80S AT A SMALL VENUE OUTSIDE pHILADELPHIA, HE WAS GREAT. hE DID A SONG CALLED MURDER ON A SOLO LP. PETE TOWNSEND PLAYED ON THE ALBUM ON THAT SONG. LIKE TO FIND IT ON CD. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 9:00:21 PM | | Some listeners could say that rock is as dead as heavy metal, cheap music with absolutely no solos flooding the shelves. However, there are some good bands even today. Check out Endofstory from Kansas on mp3.com.au. Great vocals, nice solos in each and every song. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 7:58:54 AM |
Dylan released an album recently to wide critical acclaim.
As did Bruce Springsteen, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young....more I'm sure...
But did they get played on the radio?
Not much...if at all.
Why?
I can tell you why.
Its because the Baby Boomers MUST have their "Classic Radio Stations".
If I have to hear the same old chit from Led/Beatles/Pink/Who ect... it would drive me crazy. I did that in my Youth...the last thing I want is to listen over and over and over.
Neil said it best. "Its better to burn out then fade away"
Rock isn't dead. Just listen to different stations. I prefer Public radio for the newest stuff and smaller venues for concerts.
I wish Classic Rock would take a 10 year vacation!
Wait...maybe that isn't even long enough
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Posted: 5/14/2008 5:17:28 AM | Its been touched upon already, but the industry no longer wants to nurture artists for the long haul.
Id reccomend listen to various Sirius radio stations if you are interested in finding something thats new, yet innovative and not so cookie cutter which is pushed upon us daily.
To take it one step further and address the classic rock, Sirius also will play some deep cuts the average classic rock stations wont. Hearing the same 4 or 5 Zepplin hits over and over and over drives me nuts. | |
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