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 NERO1

Joined: 3/8/2008
Msg: 1
Ron Paul's Revenge
Posted: 5/12/2008 12:03:54 PM
Ron Paul's Revenge
By David Knowles
May 12th 2008 9:21AM

Calling St. Paul. Come in, St. Paul. It seems there may be some trouble brewing for this summer's GOP convention in St. Paul, Minnesota. You see, another Paul is looming large on the horizon, threatening to stir up mischief at the August coronation of John, the would-be Baptist of that new and improved sect of Republicanism --- Bush-Lite, for lack of a better term. As Paul's supporters learned from Guy Fawkes, surprise is the name of the game.

From The LA Times:

Virtually all the nation's political attention in recent weeks has focused on the compelling state-by-state presidential nomination struggle between two Democrats and the potential for party-splitting strife over there.

But in the meantime, quietly, largely under the radar of most people, the forces of Rep. Ron Paul have been organizing across the country to stage an embarrassing public revolt against Sen. John McCain when Republicans gather for their national convention in St. Paul at the beginning of September.

Yes, he was dissed by Fox News, taunted by his rivals, scorned in the press, but Ron Paul is not ready to stop preaching the gospel to his followers. In fact, the proselytizing continues apace, and St. Paul's stage is set to provide the Texas Congressman with ample microphone time.

His supporters are quick to add that Paul never actually dropped out of the race. No, he does not walk alone. The secret army continues to grow. Witness the recent protest votes in Indiana, where 23% of Republicans voiced their disaffection with McCain. In North Carolina the number was an even higher 26%.

Another libertarian messiah-in-waiting, Bob Barr, plans to enter the race this week as an official candidate for president (Update: he did today), giving the disaffected a glimmer of hope on what, to them, seems a set of woeful ballot choices.

But back to the Paul faithful. What exactly do Paul's guerrilla warriors plan to do come convention time?

They hope to demonstrate their disagreements with McCain vocally at the convention through platform fights and an attempt to get Paul a prominent speaking slot. Paul, who's running unopposed in his home Texas district for an 11th House term, still has some $5 million in war funds and has instructed his followers that their struggle is not about a single election, but a longterm revolution for control of the Republican Party.

In short, they hope for nothing less that a coup, and we're not talking de Ville, either. And hey, look who's #1 on the New York Times Bestseller List. If you thought that Paul and his supporters would simply slip back into the Republican tent and make nice with John McCain, you were a tad mistaken. With all the potential turmoil, it's a good thing that bars will stay open until 4 a.m. during the convention. One gets the sense that a few of McCain's supporters will need a good stiff one after dealing with the Paul crowd.
 2wheel

Joined: 2/19/2007
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Posted: 5/12/2008 4:09:47 PM
I certainly hope it works.

Witnessing the GOP walk-out of their own convention in Nevada to elect delegates because Ron Paul's team were able to legally gain some control of it... smacks of dictatorship tactics.

Haven't checked lately to see if they have even announced a date for reconvening it.
 *thebestguyhere*

Joined: 3/30/2008
Msg: 3
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Posted: 5/12/2008 4:17:14 PM
I just wish they wouldn't advertise this, The media spent the whole part of his campaign marginalizing the man and kissing up to their shills and CFR puppets but now they are coming out and saying this? We are supposed to be keeping strategies a secret ! SHHHHHH!!!!
 *thebestguyhere*

Joined: 3/30/2008
Msg: 4
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Posted: 5/27/2008 8:15:57 PM
This is the video that keeps getting pulled from You tube. It speaks to the heart of the truth and from the words of John F Kennedy, Martin Luther King and , Dr Ron Paul I hope that people will finally rise up to a place where they can understand the tyranny that we are all facing against corrupt government.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEMg_GAMlso&NR=1
 itechman63

Joined: 7/7/2005
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Posted: 5/27/2008 8:52:55 PM
When the MSM refers to Paul as "The Crazy Uncle" and "Crackpot-ish", I have seldom heard such common sense in politics as what Paul says. Read his book. It should make you at least wonder.
 uninterested

Joined: 4/26/2008
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Posted: 5/27/2008 8:57:03 PM
It's not his ideas that are crackpot-ish.
It's the idea that he'd ever be allowed to implement them thats crazy.
 OneBlend

Joined: 3/31/2007
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Posted: 5/27/2008 9:06:49 PM
Why People Should be Paying attention to Ron Paul the Constitutionalist?

Well, lets add this to the mix ...

DEADLY FAILURES IN INTELLIGENCE ANALYSIS
AND DEFENSE UNPREPAREDNESS
By Benton K. Partin, Brigadier Gen. USAF (Ret)
1996

World Congress Of Communist/Socialists Parties
During the late 1940's, 50's and early 60's, I thought I knew everything there was to know about the brewof Communism/Bolshevism/Socialism/Globalism/Illuminism/Nazism/ Fascism/Marxism/Leninism/Maoism/Babeuvism/Jacobinism/Occultism/Central Banking/Humanism/H.G. Well's "Z" Society/New World Order/World Order/etc., etc.

However, it was only after I studied the program documents of the Executive Committee Communist International (ECCI) did I have any basis for a reliable prediction of the future course of world events that were being orchestrated by that brew as a program for total world conquest with the end objective being World Communism as they define it - - or if you prefer - - the euphemisms Globalism, World Order, New World Order, New Economic World Order, etc.

At no point in its 250 year evolution has the program for global communist conquest been as completely structured, defined, adopted and published as in the program documents of the Third International's Sixth Party Congress held in Moscow in 1928. It was a world congress for the Communist/Socialist leadership from all over the world. There were 532 delegates of which 25 (20 voting) were from the USA. The World Congress was a precursor to the United Nations.

Defined Program or Ambiguous Conspiracy
They called it a "Program." Is it a conspiracy? Yes - - in part. But it is an open conspiracy. The 1928 Program states: - - "communist disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their aims can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all the existing social conditions."

If we recognize a threat as only a "conspiracy," how can we develop a program to counter that "conspiracy" unless we can reliably and predictably define the program of that conspiracy? I have developed programs for new weapons and programs for weapons to counter other new weapons, but I would be at a total loss to conceptualize a program to counter a conspiracy, unless I could first define its program, track its progress and refine its predictability.

We deny ourselves the potential of recognizing, developing and orchestrating effective counteraction when we define a threat only as a "conspiracy" without understanding, in a predictable way, its program toward its ultimate objective. When people go to a theater to see a play, they are given a program, not a plan, not a conspiracy and not a piece of propaganda. The Communist World uses the term program in much the same way a theater uses the term program.

The Program of the Third International was orchestrated from 1919 to 1943 by an almost Pentagon size organization, staffed with people from all over the world, headquartered in Moscow and called the COMINTERN. After World War II the name was changed to COMINFORM. In the mid 1950's, the name was changed again to the International Department, but is now called the GORBACHEV FOUNDATION, with new branches in several target countries. [Note: the Gorbachev Foundation is reported to be building a new "1 kilometer square" office complex in Moscow.]

It is The Program of the Third International and the extrapolation of technology that offers the only sound basis I have ever found for the long term extrapolation of military hardware requirements.

For example: the program states that in World Communism: - - "Instead of destroying countless lives and untold wealth in class wars and national wars, mankind will use all its energies in the struggle with the forces of nature....", i.e. this is the program basis for the present massive, global environmental front.

The program also states that:-- "once having abolished private property in the means of production and made them public property, world communism will replace the spontaneous forces of the world market, the planless sway of competition, the blind operation of social production, by the socially planned regulation of production." For this we now have the World Trade Organization and the present consolidations toward global cartels for the production and distribution of goods and services. The Diamond Cartel leadership has funded much of the Communist led ANC takeover in South Africa (led by now deceased KGB Colonel "Joe Slovo").

World Commonwealth of Independent States and Globalization
The Sino-Soviet split has now played a major role in the relative ascendancy of communist world power and a diminution of the free world and its alliances. The communist world goal was to have a World Commonwealth of Independent Socialist States by the year 2000. The "former Soviet Union" now calls itself the Commonwealth of Independent States or CIS. The United Nations is a CIS. A commonwealth is a loose federation. What follows the Commonwealth of Independent States has been in preparation for decades:

1. Global cartels for the production and distribution of goods and services. [Some multinational corporations were established originally for that purpose.]

2. A world socialist division of labor. [Certain production is already being shifted from the U.S.A. in the move toward global "interdependence."]

3. A global security system. [We now have extensive official cooperation among policing and intelligence services between the free world and the communist/former communist world.]

4. A global military system under the UN (in the UN Charter). According to the program, no indigenous forces would be required to go against their own people in a UN police keeping operation. Thus if the French Separatist movement in Canada or the racial tension in the U.S.A. became violent, a UN peace keeping operation would have to use non-indigenous forces. [This is probably the ultimate reason for the large number of foreign troops undergoing UN police action training in the USA.]

5. A global judiciary system

6. A global environmental control with population reduction.

7. A global banking system [IMF and World Bank.]

8. A global anti-crime and anti-terrorism organization. There is considerable evidence that counter terrorist sting operations and terrorist acts are being instigated to deliberately justify repressive legislation - - but that is the way the dialectic works.

9. A global this and a global that Globalism.

Withering Away Of The State

Then we are to have a "withering away of the state." This does not mean doing away with government, but the establishment of a top down global system of regional government, i.e., a world without nations... . a world with out nationalities.... a world without boundaries. This is by their definition COMMUNISM. It is also the New World Order and Globalism. In the past, world conununist leadership would say they have been "building socialism," "building democracy" and "building communism."

Action

I would encourage all readers to do everything possible, with sacrificial time and resources, to work as they have never worked before, to assure that our next president and our next elected Congress supports our Constitution and are concerned about more important issues than just term limits, balanced budgets and alternative life styles.
*END of REPORT*
______________________

Biographical Notes on General Partin's Background and Experience(report follows)

Thirty-one years active duty in the Air Force. Progressively responsible executive, scientific and technical assignments directing organizations engaged in research, development, testing, analysis, requirements generation and acquisition management of weapons systems. Assignments from laboratory to the Office of the Secretary of Defense.

Personal contributions made in the fields of research and development management, weapon system concepts, guided weapons technology, target acquisition aids, focused energy weapons, operating research and joint service harmonization of requirements. Retired as a Brigadier General.

White House appointed Special Assistant to the Administrator, Federal Aviation Administration. Personally designated to prepare the White Paper on the Federal Aviation Administration for the 1989 Presidential Transition Team. This included development of policy initiatives on FAA/USAF joint use of the Global Positioning System (GPS), operational life for commercial aircraft, anti- terrorism, airport and airway capacity, requirements in the FAA acquisition process and FAA leadership and management development.

Military Command Pilot and Command Missleman with 4000 hours (37 combat.)

Education: B.S. Chemical Engineering; M.S. Aeronautical Engineering; Ph.D. Candidate, Operations Research & Statistics (Academics Completed.)

Publications/TV:

Sino-Soviet Conflict, Competition and Cooperation: Risks in Force Structure Planning

A Reduced Upper Limit for Sequential Test Truncation Error

Frequent TV Talk Shows on the Voice of Freedom

Honors: Distinguished Service Medal, Legion of Merit thrice, Distinguished Graduate - Air War College

Community Affairs:

Chairman, United States Defense Committee

Member of the Board, In Touch Missions International

Member of the Board, Front Line Fellowship, founding chairman of the School Board, Engleside Christian School

Washington Representative for the Association of Christian Schools International (1981-83)

Chairman Fairfax County Republican Party (1982-1986)

Lifelong Professional Challenge: Continuing studies and analyses to anticipate and forecast the future course of world military/political/economic transforming processes.
 eye8one2

Joined: 3/1/2006
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Posted: 5/27/2008 10:03:10 PM
It's not his ideas that are crackpot-ish.
It's the idea that he'd ever be allowed to implement them thats crazy.


That may be so about those who own the goose that laid the golden egg (fiat money scam) as they do not want to lose the goose and they have murdered in the past so as to keep it at work usurping the people of the nation.

But now their false flags and other acts of deception are caught far to often by awakened people.

Today so many people are returning to spirit and amassing true wealth (friends, good actions, living with good intent) as they are going back to family and redirecting their worship (spare/idle time) to the earth/nature as they are passing on the useless/worthless materialism and superficial ideals away from the few that are still wasting away getting wasted and worshiping ego's.

We are witness to the fact that people are realizing that ego's and those who forever spew rhetoric/insult and lies, are in all truth, fiat people who're fake just like the fake/fiat money.

The peons online who are posting insults are for the greater part, not really people nor supporters of anything, are simply like FaceBots, no true difference, programmed to attack truth with lies and use childish insults and rhetoric to gain advantage, this does not work as good for them anymore.

Anyway, the world is changing fast as the true conscience of mankind, today and tomorrow gets more intelligent each day with that intelligence turning to wisdom when they use truth to destroy lies, there are many people who are lies unto all and to actors even towards themselves as they for the most part, believe the lies they support and despise the truth that they attack.

As all know, the peons and the fools or ditto/fiat people, are forever attacking RP and his supporters. They would have us believe that the grandson of a convicted war profiteer, a Nazi/fascist, a person who should have been tried for treason against the American people is more patriotic then heroes like General Butler and more intelligent then men like RP.

What was GWB's GPA or what was his average grade when he attended Yale? Do you see what so many worship/follow, it is all lies as they are either a moron or more employee then human being.

All that mankind suffers from comes courtesy of the true terrorists who own the ego's of the peons and the elites, who I might add are the main players in the "ill"usion that we call life within this material hell.
 K1ngmaker

Joined: 5/22/2008
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Posted: 5/28/2008 6:42:39 AM

We are witness to the fact that people are realizing that ego's and those who forever spew rhetoric/insult and lies, are in all truth, fiat people who're fake just like the fake/fiat money.



As all know, the peons and the fools or ditto/fiat people, are forever attacking RP and his supporters. They would have us believe that the grandson of a convicted war profiteer, a Nazi/fascist, a person who should have been tried for treason against the American people is more patriotic then heroes like General Butler and more intelligent then men like RP.
 2wheel

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Posted: 5/28/2008 7:49:31 AM
****** GREAT POST ******
eye8one2
 oddsrhuge

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Posted: 5/28/2008 8:22:12 AM
^^^ I have to agree...Great Post. Thank you xNEROx for starting it and thanks to all of you who contributed such good content. I for one, am mystified, as to how this man can be so vilified and marginalized by the mainstream...but then I remember who owns the mainstream and who their masters really are.

Peace
 itechman63

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Posted: 5/28/2008 11:13:20 AM
So true Odds.

How crazy the man who supports an idea so radical as the Constitution of the United States.
 *thebestguyhere*

Joined: 3/30/2008
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Posted: 5/28/2008 4:55:50 PM
Hey Ron Paul got 24 % in the primary yesterday !! No media coverage , People thinking Mccain has it locked up and Ron Paul still manages to get almost a quarter of the entire state :)
 Glock22shooter

Joined: 9/26/2005
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Posted: 5/28/2008 11:00:15 PM
This could just be me. But I would think Ron Paul supporters would understand that since McCain received the minimum number of votes needed to get the nomination that it would seem to be logical to conclude that more people wanted McCain than wanted Ron Paul. At this point, I understand the unhappiness, I really do as I don't want McCain either, but they are just being sore losers.

I laugh at thought of the reaction of may of Ron Paul's supporters if they knew his stance about guns. So many self proclaimed peace loving hippies support him, and many of them claim to be antigun, yet don't know that the Good Dr. Paul supports repealing every single restrictive gun control law ever introduced. You'll get no arguement from me, I'd love to live in a society that safe. Just look at the several cities that have mandated gun ownership of their populations. Violent Crime is almost nil.

On many policies like that, Ron Paul speaks the God's honest true conservative truth.

When he talks about cutting out military by 80%, eh, not so much.
 Crash1967

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Posted: 5/29/2008 7:57:44 AM
Idaho Repub elections - McSame 60%.....RP get's 40%..... YESTERDAY.
 Glock22shooter

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Posted: 5/29/2008 11:45:44 AM
And? The majority of Republicans still went for McCain. McCain still has the minimum needed. It's still impossible for Ron Paul to get the minimum needed. Yep, sore losers.
 teachpeace

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Posted: 5/29/2008 12:02:07 PM
Could he be making a bid for VP then?
 Glock22shooter

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Posted: 5/29/2008 12:07:14 PM
Ron Paul is the wrong mix of right and wrong to be VP. His foreign policy is very weak, which is the main power the administrative branch has. Domestically he preaches giving power back to the people, slashing government, getting rid of all entitlements, welfare, etc. Ideas I can get behind all day. but the problem with it is no one can be accepted by either party that doesn't want more control. He wants to give power back and bless him for that, but he'd never be accepted by the party.

I think it'll likely be Mitt or Huckabee. Both of which are much worse than McCain.
 glamour6

Joined: 4/7/2008
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Posted: 5/29/2008 6:59:28 PM

just wish they wouldn't advertise this, The media spent the whole part of his campaign marginalizing the man and kissing up to their shills and CFR puppets but now they are coming out and saying this? We are supposed to be keeping strategies a secret ! SHHHHHH!!!!
I actually agree with you which is very rare indeed.. the media is often guilty of advertising information that really shouldn't be known...
 redwood34

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Posted: 5/29/2008 7:05:06 PM
"cutting military by 80%"

Can you provide a link to where he said that?
 Glock22shooter

Joined: 9/26/2005
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Posted: 5/29/2008 8:01:58 PM
I remember him saying it a few times in the debates. They may be on youtube. When I get a 3g connection I'll try to find it for ya.
 *thebestguyhere*

Joined: 3/30/2008
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Posted: 5/29/2008 9:01:03 PM

"cutting military by 80%"

Can you provide a link to where he said that?

Yes in fact but that wasn't what he said. What he said was that he wanted to bring all the troops home from everywher in the world and then it would n't be necessary to have as many troops only those to protect the borders of the US or something of that nature. The man is a strict fiscal conservative, constitutionalist, and a non-interventionalist which means he does not believe in the arrogant policing of the world. There is no reason for americans troops to be station in these 150 countries when they should be defending it's own borders. I mean really who would try to attack america ? think about it ? with your nukes ? with your position ? It would be suicide. But they make you believe that being over there makes you safer ? It makes you more vulnerable becaus it depletes your forces and your borders are wide open.
 ~inflateablesoulmate~

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Posted: 5/29/2008 9:29:54 PM
Ive not seen a damn thing on TV about Ron Paul which is really kinda sad.
I watched a video on him a while back where he basically PWNED Greenspan and the FED and the network could only attack him later with more crap they brainwash the public with.
I hate to say it tho... Im guessing The whole vote is going to be electronic DIEBOLD voting machines again.
You all know what happend the FIRST time bushtard was appointed.
 itechman63

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Posted: 5/29/2008 9:31:18 PM
If you've not read the words of the man it really is hard to imagine criticism. If you have and aren't asking serious questions such as where is the bottom for this country then I would consider the bottom to be much closer to us than we'd like to imagine.


But they make you believe that being over there makes you safer ? It makes you more vulnerable becaus it depletes your forces and your borders are wide open.


Or wonder if Islamic extremism is really as dangerous as we're told when only there was an Al Qaeda after we occupied bases in Saudi Arabia and why in a centuries old religion calls to Global Sharia Law fell on deaf ears for as long as Islam has been in existence. No suicide bombers answered the call to Paradise and 19 virgins unless there was a foreign occupation or in Saudi Arabia's case a military infidel presence on the holiest of Islamic lands. Wouldn't it figure that every non-Islamic nation throughout the history of the Quran always would have been under terrorist attacks if militant causes were purely ideological? Cause and effect anyone?
 redwood34

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Posted: 5/29/2008 9:48:58 PM
If I remember right, I remember him saying that we are so far in debt we can no longer afford to have so many troops and bases all over the world and bringing the troops home from all around the world and shutting down the foreign military bases would save over a trillion dollars a year and would help enable us to eliminate the federal income tax completely and shut down the IRS. I just don't recall him saying he'd cut the military by exactly 80%, but I did miss a couple of the debates.
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