| Tesla and the electic aether motors for cars
Posted: 5/12/2008 9:11:26 PM | Any big time experts out there who have done a lot of reading on this topic? I know that 100 years ago or so the oil and electric companies probably did something to deep six this alternative to ethanol and oil/gas motors 'powered by aether' (Tesla). Quoting something off the internet:
"Engineers of Hitachi Magnetics Corp. of CA have stated that a motor run by magnets is feasible & logical but the politics of the matter make it impossible for them to pursue developing a magnet motor or any device that would compete with the energy cartels."
Or, has anyone bought one of these water converter kits for your car that I've seen in the net.
It's time for total anarchy! Someone just emailed me a picture of a diamond encrusted sports car owned by a Saudi prince. I'm sure he took all his wives' clitoris out (clitordectomy)and replaced them with diamonds, too. | |
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| Tesla and the electic aether motors for cars
Posted: 5/12/2008 10:29:35 PM | | My understanding of the Tesla Aether motor is that it defies the Third Law of Thermodynamics, in that it would produce more energy than it consumes- that is, it's a perpetual motion device. | |
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| Tesla and the electic aether motors for cars
Posted: 5/12/2008 11:33:51 PM |
Engineers of Hitachi Magnetics Corp. of CA have stated that a motor run by magnets is feasible & logical but the politics of the matter make it impossible for them to pursue developing a magnet motor or any device that would compete with the energy cartels
Got the original source for that quote? Because frankly all I get are tesla conspiracy sites when I search for it.
I don't believe in modern large scale technology supression, for one simple reason. If you had a means of producing unlimited energy in closed system, you'd be able to conquer the world with it's military applications. | |
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| Tesla and the electic aether motors for cars
Posted: 5/12/2008 11:45:38 PM | | I remember seeing something on yahoo news quite a few months back about some company that had developed a way to harness free energy from the Earth's electromagnetic field. Whether it was true or not it was interesting that it was on a normal news page. Other then that most of this stuff is probably hogwash. I know the best bet for great abundant free energy is tidal and wave power. Afterall there are always waves and always underwater powerful currents. Yet everyone wants crappy solar. Solar sucks. | |
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| Tesla and the electic aether motors for cars
Posted: 5/13/2008 12:52:42 AM | Yep, You found out the truth. Somehow, SOMEONE managed to keep Hitler and Hirohito and all of their scientists from discovering an energy source that would have allowed them to win world war II.
The same SOMEONE kept Russia and America, During the Cold War, from using this power source to win. SOMEONE prevented Israel from releasing the knowledge, even though it would have cripple the number one source of income for countries that have sworn to destroy them. That SOMEONE has managed to convince Castro to keep something hidden that would embarrass the American Capitalists because.
The same SOMEONE has managed to make many of the worlds greatest scientists who espouse world peace, such as Albert Einstein, from release knowledge which would allow for such peace.
To this day that SOMEONE is keeping the secret hidden from China North Korea and a dozen other countries that REALLY need the energy even though their smart/ sneaky enough to get the A-Bomb.
Someone so EVIL as to allow BILLIONS to die due to war, lack of food, clean water, and diseases. Much of which could be prevented by a clean never ending supply of energy.
And I Guess, this same SOMEONE who can somehow perfectly keep this hidden and unused allows the US Military Industrial Complex to develop a system that allows for the free, open and instantaneous transmission of information (including information on such a device) between most people in the world because He REALLY LIKES PORN.
If you believe that then obviously you are a conspiracy nut, or this is all controlled by some MAD EVIL COMPUTER GENIUS, who could sensor the truth immediately if it was ever typed onto the internet. Someone like Bill Gat…#$^@!#%% ..... Transmission Terminated ........ Deleting Message | |
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| Tesla and the electic aether motors for cars
Posted: 5/13/2008 3:48:01 AM |
I remember seeing something on yahoo news quite a few months back about some company that had developed a way to harness free energy from the Earth's electromagnetic field. Whether it was true or not it was interesting that it was on a normal news page. Other then that most of this stuff is probably hogwash. I know the best bet for great abundant free energy is tidal and wave power. Afterall there are always waves and always underwater powerful currents. Yet everyone wants crappy solar. Solar sucks.
You CAN harness electro-magnetic energy. It just isn't very powerful or efficient. picture leaving a car to "charge" overnight for enough power to drive half a block.
Solar combined with improved battery technology IS a viable answer, picture every building/home in a city with solar panels rather than shingles to get an idea of the amount of "free" energy already available. | |
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| Tesla and the electic aether motors for cars
Posted: 5/13/2008 7:06:31 AM | No, Charlesedm, I don't have the original quote. I just started researching alternative motors & Tesla last night. It's off the internet, of course. I did run into something interesting and I don't know if it's legit, of course: "RunYourCarWithWater". (Any comments of this, guys?) I know about the propane converter kits. Now, this is suppose to be is a "water kit".
Also, it was on FOX news this morning at 9:35 am that the Saudis are purposely keeping oil prices high to protest the Bush family and this administration and the war. THIS WAS FOX NEWS! What??
I have no doubt that over the past 100 years anytime the auto industry and especially the oil companies--let's don't forget that the British divided up the Arab dessert after the car was invented--have bought up the rights to all kinds of patents to deep six them for competitive reasons. This is just called, "good business". | |
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| Tesla and the electic aether motors for cars
Posted: 5/13/2008 7:08:24 AM | Solar energy:
Friends of mine just built a new house and installed geothermal. They love and say it's very effective. I don't know about retro-fitting older homes (sigh!) | |
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| Tesla and the electic aether motors for cars
Posted: 5/13/2008 7:27:35 AM | i have not done any research on this subject...but i do know that better gas mileage technology has been around for decades...unused. many ww2 fighter aircraft employed water injection for better 'mileage' and power. an old friend of mine bought a mercury back in the early 50s. it got 45 mpg around town. not bad for a v8 huh? he was tickled...ford was not. they bought the car back from him with cash, and gave him a new one too. his fuel economy went back down to 'normal'. i was wrenching in an auto dealership during the arab oil embargo in the early 70s. for better gas mileage, the factory (fiat at the time) told us how to increase mileage just by pinching two hoses on the emission system....and what an increase it was!!
things that make you go...hmmmmmm....
yep...politics for sure..at least in my book.... | |
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| Tesla and the electic aether motors for cars
Posted: 5/13/2008 7:44:00 AM | I know a researcher/scientist/inventor who has been working on this concept off and on over the years. Due to the nature of his work, he doesn't share much detail, and frankly I'm not technologically adept enough to grasp it that well, but his take, at least, is that there is some serious potential here, but also the need for some serious technological breakthroughs before it becomes practical. Theoretically, at least, it would be possible to harness the energy you'd need as you need it, but practical application so far has eluded all who have tried.
Dave | |
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| Tesla and the electic aether motors for cars
Posted: 5/13/2008 7:56:37 AM | Water injection is something that can be done by anybody with some basic tools, for under $20. You need a jug to hold the water (or a windshield washer fluid reservoir bag), some plastic aquarium tubing, a tube of RTV silicone, a "tee" connector, a needle valve, and an aquarium air stone. Done correctly you can expect a 5-10 % increase in mileage, and/or a very modest increase in power. It worked on WW2 fighter plane engines because they were made to use it, and because they had a service life expectancy of less than 2 months, so warranty claims for burned-out engines weren't a consideration at all (use of "War Emergency Power" would burn up an engine in minutes).
I've heard the "mystery (insert favorite brand) car that got (insert ridiculous number) miles per gallon" myth in a couple dozen variations in the last 50 years. The first time I heard it, it was a Franklin that got 100 mpg (I'm sure this is why Franklin went out of business making cars).
I also heard about the pink gel that was supposed to be added to engine oil, that made oil changes unnecessary and reduced engine friction to near zero, so they lasted forever, made huge amounts of power and increased mileage by 200%.
Chloroflorinated fullerenes were supposed to do the same.
Running cars with water is just ridiculous. If Stan Meyers had actually been offered "billions of dollars" by Arabs for his "water car" as he claimed, don't you think he would have jumped at the offer (if he had anything to sell)? Why else do people invent things, if not to make money, lots and lots of money?
Get real, people. | |
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| Tesla and the electic aether motors for cars
Posted: 5/13/2008 8:04:31 AM | I'm a mechanic and highly trained millwright who loves tinkering as a hobby and tries to keep up.
I can tell you that most water systems are bunk. So are magic pills, magnets around your fuel lines to align the molecules and other crap like that.
When you read their test groups, try to find out what the test was, how many tests or test subjects were involved. What hard science did they use? That's where their claims go quiet and sketchy.
Currently, the most effective things I know of are variable speed transmissions using two cone shaped gears and a belt. Change the position of the belt and the cones and you can have unlimited speed ranges from a constant speed of the engine. As well, there are smaller three wheeled hybrids getting amazing mileage (hundreds of miles per gallon burned - look up the "aptera" made in California). Then there is a former racing engine builder working on patending a system to add an injector to the engine. This extra injector per cylinder will spray water in the combustion chamber after a power stroke. The high temperatures turn the water to steam. steam is water and air that takes up more volume. To achieve the new volume it pushes the cylinder down, making an extra power stroke on the engine. So you get better mileage. But this is not the same water system you see on late night t.v. ads. It means a different build of the engine itself.
In India, they are testing a fleet of taxis run on air motors. You pull up to a giant compressor, refill your air tank and that drives the air motor that powers the wheels. So far, so good, zero emission and only the power to keep the fill stations pressurized is needed, so much more efficient and can be done electrically, so it could be done with wind or solar. The drawback with this system is that it requires constant temperature and humidity levels to work all the time. Otherwise the temperature change of compressed to decompressed air will cause condensation which will gum up the engine. In warm, dry areas, it would be great. In winter, your motor would freeze while you were using it.
I recall in the past few years reading about one creative guy that rebuilt a buick to be pedal powered. With the right gearing, he can drive it on slower city streets, attaining up to 45kph. It really was creative and ingenious.
But don't fall for smoke and mirror claims. Do real world research and look at everything skeptically. Be scientific about it rather than believing what a sales pitch tells you. | |
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| Tesla and the electic aether motors for cars
Posted: 5/13/2008 8:06:41 AM | I also agree with those that dismiss claims of some huge global conspiracy suppressing an energy "magic bullet". Pure folly.
Believe me, if there was such a thing no power on earth could hide it. Most researchers have a good grasp of what alternative choices are out here when it comes to replacing fossil fuel-based energy. The problem comes in overcoming the technological, cost-benefit, and mass production hurdles. Only a quantum leap will do the trick, and that may only come about when the world is faced with imminent energy catastrophe, like oil reserves drying up and no replacements found. Even today's energy prices are nowhere near high enough to trigger the kind of panic necessary to drive such a response. | |
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| Tesla and the electic aether motors for cars
Posted: 5/13/2008 8:39:49 PM | Thanks gentlemen for your imput. For once these forms really provide constructive feedback. Going on the internet and researching this matter brings up all kinds of "drunks, etc., riff-raff".
However, no one is addressing the possibility of the product--or more than one--being out there filed away in a box, suppressed by companies that did not want the competition.
Has anyone heard or used a propane converter kit for your vehicle? The motor runs really quietly. However, I have heard that they are illegal in some states. | |
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| Tesla and the electic aether motors for cars
Posted: 5/13/2008 9:33:15 PM | As well, due to the difference of combustion temperature (and thus related parts like valves, pistons, exhaust manifolds, etc), the working line pressure and the tank regulations, not to mention setting up regulators the kits are well beyond the layman to install.
Rather than go that way, why not look into the diesel -french fry oil thing. Get your fuel from the local mcDonalds when they are done with it.
Either one will destroy your engine just as fast. | |
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| Tesla and the electic aether motors for cars
Posted: 5/13/2008 10:11:34 PM | | There is a natural force that can run a car over a hundred miles per hour, with no motor and no recharging, but the oil companies have crippled it so it only works going downhill. | |
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| Tesla and the electic aether motors for cars
Posted: 5/14/2008 10:42:41 AM | Found this "very" interesting story on the Popular Mechanics web site. It's worth a look (or two and three...lol) ....
World's First Air-Powered Car: Zero Emissions by Next Summer
By Matt Sullivan
Published in the June 2007 issue.
India’s largest automaker is set to start producing the world’s first commercial air-powered vehicle. The Air Car, developed by ex-Formula One engineer Guy Nègre for Luxembourg-based MDI, uses compressed air, as opposed to the gas-and-oxygen explosions of internal-combustion models, to push its engine’s pistons. Some 6000 zero-emissions Air Cars are scheduled to hit Indian streets in August of 2008.
Barring any last-minute design changes on the way to production, the Air Car should be surprisingly practical. The $12,700 CityCAT, one of a handful of planned Air Car models, can hit 68 mph and has a range of 125 miles. It will take only a few minutes for the CityCAT to refuel at gas stations equipped with custom air compressor units; MDI says it should cost around $2 to fill the car’s carbon-fiber tanks with 340 liters of air at 4350 psi. Drivers also will be able to plug into the electrical grid and use the car’s built-in compressor to refill the tanks in about 4 hours.
Of course, the Air Car will likely never hit American shores, especially considering its all-glue construction. But that doesn’t mean the major automakers can write it off as a bizarre Indian experiment — MDI has signed deals to bring its design to 12 more countries, including Germany, Israel and South Africa.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/4217016.html
Please also see the "Related Stories" at the bottom of the article, from which this was found....
Published on: February 22, 2008
Zero Pollution Motors (ZPM) confirmed to PopularMechanics.com on Thursday that it expects to produce the world’s first air-powered car for the United States by late 2009 or early 2010. As the U.S. licensee for Luxembourg-based MDI, which developed the Air Car as a compression-based alternative to the internal combustion engine, ZPM has attained rights to build the first of several modular plants, which are likely to begin manufacturing in the Northeast and grow for regional production around the country, at a clip of up to 10,000 Air Cars per year.
And while ZPM is also licensed to build MDI’s two-seater OneCAT economy model (the one headed for India) and three-seat MiniCAT (like a SmartForTwo without the gas), the New Paltz, N.Y., startup is aiming bigger: Company officials want to make the first air-powered car to hit U.S. roads a $17,800, 75-hp equivalent, six-seat modified version of MDI’s CityCAT (pictured above) that, thanks to an even more radical engine, is said to travel as far as 1000 miles at up to 96 mph with each tiny fill-up.
Is that Magic Bullet here already? ...lol | |
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| Tesla and the electic aether motors for cars
Posted: 5/14/2008 1:18:43 PM | That would be the air powered car I was talking about way up in post 12. The problem with the bulk of North America is the winter, spring and fall temperatures. Condensation is an issue and internal condensation as soon as the weather sinks to freezing will freeze your engine. Air powered motors are nothing new to industry, and I am an industrial mechanic.
But even if the population would use them in the warm months when they were viable, how much of a reduction in the energy footprint could we enable?
Yes the compressors take energy to run. But they are electric and could be powered by wind, solar, a waterwheel hooked up to a generator, conventional hydro dams, whatever. There are ways of converting energy out there that do not require burning hydrocarbons.
The ideal world. | |
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| Tesla and the electic aether motors for cars
Posted: 5/14/2008 1:47:30 PM | If someone could devise a 90+% efficient method for recapturing a car's momentum during braking (compressed air?), then use it for accelerating, fuel economy would have that quantum leap; all that would be required would be for cruising- overcoming road friction and aerodynamic drag- plus that 10% loss during braking and accelerating.
I'd like to see the project outline by Wednesday morning? | |
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| Tesla and the electic aether motors for cars
Posted: 5/14/2008 7:16:26 PM | Regenerative braking won't amount to a "Quantum Leap" by most peoples definitions. The most it would do is allow a car to get close to it's "Highway MPG" when they are doing city driving. This would result for most cars gaining a 3-5 MPG and at most 10 MPG added efficiency.
Would that be nice? Sure, but the question is at what cost. Even if gas hits $5 a gallon it will save your average user just $300-$400 a year. How much additional cost, weight (Thus decreasing MPGs), space, and mechanical repair costs will this item add to the vehicle.
Those are the problems with many alternative car ideas.
Cost, Cargo/Occupancy Space and Weight, Acceleration, Range, Refuel time, Repair Cost, Useful life/Warranty, Useable in Cold Weather-Snow-Desert-Rain-etc, Safety, Infrastructure cost (Cost to allow such vehicles to get their fuel throughout the US), and probably a few I missed. That's why most alternative vehicles have failed to catch on.
Mind you were close to one or more Technologies being available that meet the needs of the common man. Probably 2-7 years by my estimate.
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| Tesla and the electic aether motors for cars
Posted: 5/18/2008 8:00:33 AM | Tesla was amazing. He figured out how to send free energy throughout the whole world and how to harness that energy.
He was the cause of the Tunguska Explosion in Russia. The explosion happened at the same time he was testing his Machine and no evidence has ever been found of a meteorite or asteroid which are the leading theories.
He never finished his work because , he either got scared that his invention could be used to make weapons that would have destroyed the world or the government forced him to stop. All his papers were confiscated by the US Government when he died and have never been returned to his family.
If he would have been able to implement his idea, we would have free energy for the whole world right now. | |
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| Tesla and the electic aether motors for cars
Posted: 5/18/2008 9:03:30 AM |
If he would have been able to implement his idea, we would have free energy for the whole world right now.
Tesla's idea was about free transmission of power, not free generation of power. It's possible that the cost of the extra power that would need to be generated to achieve free transmission (through the earth or through the "aether") would be greater than the amortized cost of the eliminated transmission infrastructure, obviating a net savings. | |
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| Tesla and the electic aether motors for cars
Posted: 5/18/2008 9:15:14 AM | That's what i meant. Free transmission of power...
It' d be free for everyone to use once you bought a device to tap into it. the device being a car or radio or electric toothbrush. | |
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| Tesla and the electic aether motors for cars
Posted: 5/18/2008 10:43:16 AM | | No entity is going to build generation without the means to recoup the expenses of building, fuel, and maintenance. Who pays for the generation, and how is payment determined? Taxes? Meters? The honor system? | |
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