| Will Hillary Join Obama
Posted: 5/13/2008 2:45:24 PM | | I'm not saying that it is over for Hillary Clinton, but if she does decide to drop out of the race (for whatever reason) do you think she will join forces with Obama and become his running mate for VP? Do you think Obama will have her as a running mate? | |
|
| Will Hillary Join Obama
Posted: 5/13/2008 3:39:43 PM | Had it gone differently, she'd be a great addition as a VP. She's got a lot of positive attributes as a politician. I don't see her as a leader though, after seeing her on the stump.
The problem is this campaign didn't show that worthy side of her, and actually showed her at her worst many times.
Had she sat down with Obama and Edwards, and set up a clean race between them, and had all attacked any outsider trying to discredit any of them (Three Musketeers style) , then this could have been a dream primary season.
Go out and try and sell your individual platforms to the party, and use it like a poll. Each differs, and see which one really attracts the best numbers. Let that define the 2008 Democratic party platform. Broaden it when it needs to be broadened, narrow it when possible.
Let the best person /platform win, in a hard fought (and totally free) debate. Attack platforms, and not the person.
At the end, whoever wins the most votes is nominee, the next VP nominee, and the last gets an important position in the Cabinet that suits his experience.
All focus to defeat however the Republican candidate will be, as soon as it's decided.
Had she done that, she might even be the nominee for the party. At the worst, VP nominee.
A strategy based on what's best for the country and the party - not one person.
And the party would have been much stronger as a result.
Now ?
Too much bad blood.  | |
|
| Will Hillary Join Obama
Posted: 5/13/2008 8:22:06 PM | Well, Michelle Obama has said NO WAY is her hubby going to have Clinton as a running mate! And Michelle usually calls the shots, while Barack listens, so it looks like that idea is probably behind them.
I'm not sure it could have worked anyway. The two are just too incompatible. And I suspect it would be a constant struggle. But besides that, I hope Clinton would not take that position in any case. For her it would be forfeiting a lot of dignity.
I could however see it happening the other way around, as a possibility, if not a perfect solution. I suspect Michelle would gleefully take the VP position, as opposed to being an almost-was but not-quite, for the rest of their days.
In an assisting role, Obama might have something of merit to contribute, while he gets a feel for how government actually works, which could serve him well later in life. .
-Suth'nBoy
| |
|
| Will Hillary Join Obama
Posted: 5/13/2008 8:43:18 PM |
I'm not saying that it is over for Hillary Clinton, but if she does decide to drop out of the race (for whatever reason) do you think she will join forces with Obama and become his running mate for VP? Do you think Obama will have her as a running mate?
God, I hope not. Hillary needs to disassociate herself from this turkey one hundred percent. If Obama actually becomes the nominee, he'll lose to McCain in the general, then Hillary can set up to run again in 2012 against McCain and win. She'll have her shot eventually. Obama will be a bad dream we all had by then and hopefully forgotten. | |
|
| Will Hillary Join Obama
Posted: 5/13/2008 9:17:59 PM | + Pick up the Hillary supporters who may vote for McCain out of spite
- Lose all the moderates who hate the Clintons and energize the Republicans
Seems like a push. There are more interesting possibilities. | |
|
| Will Hillary Join Obama
Posted: 5/13/2008 9:22:39 PM | I sure hope not. I would think a lot less of Hillary if she decided to run with a man I have very little respect for, and it still wouldn't keep me from voting for McCain.
The only way I would vote Democrat this time is if Hillary was the candidate. If she wants to run in 2012 she shouldn't taint her name by running with Obama.
Edit: Oh shoot, I wrote practically the same thing as southernlass and didn't even look at her post first! | |
|
| Will Hillary Join Obama
Posted: 5/13/2008 9:28:49 PM | | She has too much pride and is too selfcentered to step down and assist anyone. It won't ever happen. This campaign isn't about the good of the people for her, it's about her career and how far she thinks she can push to go. | |
|
| Will Hillary Join Obama
Posted: 5/13/2008 9:49:57 PM | **do you think she will join forces with Obama and become his running mate for VP? Do you think Obama will have her as a running mate?**
No, because both candidates have advisors that will tell them -strenuously- that there is no way that an entire ticket w/out a White Male can win. | |
|
| Will Hillary Join Obama
Posted: 5/14/2008 5:41:20 AM |
No, because both candidates have advisors that will tell them -strenuously- that there is no way that an entire ticket w/out a White Male can win.
SteveeMac, could you explain what you mean by this?
And yes I do think Hillary has a lot of pride but at the same time, I think she is representing alot of women who feel that they have to do whatever it takes to make it in a "man's world". I mean, let's face it, there are alot of double standards (although its slowly changing) when it comes to women in the business world, and like I said, maybe she feels she has to do whatever it takes to prove that point. | |
|
| Will Hillary Join Obama
Posted: 5/14/2008 6:31:46 AM | Doesn't matter. McCain has this one won.
The Democrats are fighting over the spoils of victory before they've even won the battle. And as been demonstrated here the dislike between the Democratic camps is so deep they'd rather lose the election than support the other candidate.
Pretty silly of them, in my opinion. | |
|
| Will Hillary Join Obama
Posted: 5/14/2008 6:51:00 AM | ^ ^ ^ ^ How is that silly? If you think that the Republican is a better choice than the Democratic candidate you don't support, that seems like critical thinking to me.
Only sheep blindly follow a party line. | |
|
| Will Hillary Join Obama
Posted: 5/14/2008 10:04:45 AM | What is it with the Democrats?
They always seem to drive off a cliff when there are better options.
Hillary will not join Obama and Obama will not join Hillary.
You would think it would be the best case scenerio...but nope...hit the gas while both of them are fighting over the steering wheel and head for the cliff. | |
|
| Will Obama Join Clinton?
Posted: 5/14/2008 12:49:15 PM | Actually Obama as VP for Clinton isn't such a bad idea, if Michelle would ever allow that. Both bring big numbers to the table as far as votes go. And that would appeal to a very wide range of voters.
For Obama it wouldn't be any loss of dignity, where it would for Clinton.
He could be learning along the way, and perhaps adjusting a few things, and then one day, perhaps in 2016 or so, he might be ready for the Top Spot.. And he still wouldn't be all that old. Only in his mid-fifties. Could work! 
-Suth'nBoy 
| |
|
| Will Hillary Join Obama
Posted: 5/14/2008 1:15:09 PM | I don't think she helps Obama. I also don't think he would invite her to be VP. If he does, I don't think she accepts.
Obama's got a real pickle to work himself out of. The longer Hillary's in the race, the farther back to center Obama needs to move in a shorter period of time. He'll need to find another Democrat who has a similar anti-Iraq stance. If he doesn't, he'll appear to be pandering. He will probably need to look outside of Washington; he should be looking at Governors who don't have any voting position on Iraq. Ed Rendell would appease some Hillary supporters, and might keep Pennsylvania blue in November. Maybe would consider ending his governorship early to become VP. But he is VERY pro-Hillary. Maybe Bill Richardson isn't a bad choice either. | |
|
| Will Hillary Join Obama
Posted: 5/14/2008 1:38:46 PM | For Obama's sake, he should pick anyone except her. Other than blind ambition, she has no upsides that I can see, unless sounding like fingernails on a chalkboard is an upside. He'll probably pick the governor of a southern state.
 | |
|
| Will Hillary Join Obama
Posted: 5/14/2008 1:54:31 PM | My fellow Hillary or McCain stalwarts, the day when we will show our true colors to the world is coming! Let's keep the flames burning in our hearts. At least one of our chosen candidates will be in the final stage of this election. We won't be denied! Let's go out and bring aboard our Hillary or Nobody brethren, for they are in need of a friendly hand in these dark days of despair. Let's give them comfort and a shoulder to cry on.
It amazes me that you diehards keep on fanning the flames of division when Hillary has been talking very clearly about the need to present a united front, and she is saying that she will be working towards getting rid of the republicans! If you want Bush III, keep this bs going! | |
|
| Will Hillary Join Obama
Posted: 5/14/2008 3:09:48 PM | ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ Get this straight, just because some of us support Hillary does not mean we support the Democratic Party no matter what it does, nor do we support Obama.
We have a brain, we do not mindlessly follow like sheep, but rather look at the issues and pick the candidate we think will suit us best.
We DO NOT make a decision based on any single issue.
Getting rid of Bush is good, but not all Republicans are bad.
I don't agree on all of the issues with Obama, Hillary or McCain, so no matter who I pick there will be some areas of the platform with which I do not agree. So I am picking based on who I think has the experience to do the job, and also is morally upstanding. I do not think that Obama has either the experience or the personal integrity to fill the office.
You get a vote, and I respect your decision to make it even if I don't agree with it. The least you can do is show the same courtesy to others. | |
|
| Will Hillary Join Obama
Posted: 5/14/2008 3:18:20 PM | Msg #16 totally lost me. It could be humor and/or sarcasm, for or against HRC, for or against McCain, ditto Obama... but I have no clue.
| |
|
| Will Hillary Join Obama
Posted: 5/14/2008 5:13:50 PM | Well, in any case, I think we've established that Clinton should NOT join Obama in a VP role, regardless of how one looks at it.  .
It's possible the other way around might work, with Obama as a on-the-job trainee for some future opportunities which could be his one day, after he learns the ropes of high-level government, and how things operate around the world.
But not with Obama as Prez and Clinton as Vice-Prez.. That wouldn't work well at all.
-Suth'nBoy
| |
|
| |
| Will Hillary Join Obama
Posted: 5/14/2008 5:38:20 PM |
And Michelle usually calls the shots, while Barack listens, so it looks like that idea is probably behind them.
Oh and you're a close family friend? You know this how, exactly? I know his wife isn't in favor of Clinton as a running mate but where are you getting your information? Amazing.
There is no way HIllary will be Obama's running mate. That's just not going to happen.
'm not saying that it is over for Hillary Clinton,
I am saying it. It is OVER for her. Obama just got John Edward's support. Even the NARAL people are no longer supporting Hillary. John Edwards will bring in the union vote and NARAL will swing the women's vote. Even the feminist movement is deserting Hillary. The handwriting is on the wall.
I wouldn't mind seeing Edwards as a strong running mate to secure the southern vote. I think that'd be a great ticket. But as for Hillary, it's over. | |
|
| Will Hillary Join Obama
Posted: 5/14/2008 5:40:42 PM | | I like Edwards but Obama will probably look outside of Washington for a VP. | |
|
| Will Hillary Join Obama
Posted: 5/14/2008 6:16:56 PM | evn,
I am trying to laugh a little. Some of the posts on these Political Forums are so ridiculous that I can't stop myself from poking some fun at them. By now, after reading them in thread after thread, they sound like a bad sermon to me. At least the preacher (Wright) that they were attacking before is a colorful and entertaining kind of guy. (Let me make clear that I am not presenting a full fledge defense of the "infamous" preacher because I am not completely familiar with what he has said, but what I have seen, the speech at the NAACP, doesn't convince me at all that he preaches hate and racism.) The constant attacks against Wright, intended to smear Obama, failed; so now they have to find another topic to continue on their campaign.
I mean this: they have accused Obama of being a bad judge of character for having been associated with Wright, and therefore he wasn't qualified to serve as president. Hillary, on the other hand, didn't have that shortcoming for them. (Notice that I don't have to attack Hillary to defend Obama.) Now that people (Hillary herself is doing that) have started talking about the need of a united front, they have started questioning Hillary's character. Give me a break! They can complain all they want about my "disrespectful" sense of humor. I know that I am biting my tongue and controlling my mean streak.
Briefly, the sarcasm wasn't directed towards the candidates at all but against those people passing themselves as something that they are not. | |
|
| Will Hillary Join Obama
Posted: 5/14/2008 8:48:28 PM | | I hope not. The sooner Shrillary rides off into the sunset the better off we all are. She will do anything and everything for power including cut Obama off at the knees as vice president so she can run against him again in 4 years and beat him this time saying "see I told you he didn't do anything" | |
|
| Will Hillary Join Obama
Posted: 5/14/2008 9:50:34 PM | **No, because both candidates have advisors that will tell them -strenuously- that there is no way that an entire ticket w/out a White Male can win.
SteveeMac, could you explain what you mean by this?**
Quite simple, really: while America may finally be ready to accept a minority (read: Not a White Male) as president, there are a lot of people -okay, angry white males- that won't accept being completely shut out of the ticket; they'll vote for McClone without actually admitting why they are...I wish to Heaven that this wasn't the case -and I'd love to have a Clinton/whoever is a non-white-male VP candidate win this election and drag the United States into the 21st century in this regard...but I just don't think this country is quite that ready yet.
And even if the nation might be ready to accept this, does anyone think that either Clinton's or Obama's advisors are going to be willing to advise their bosses to risk it? | |
|
Home
login 
