| Internet versus Mainstream Media
Posted: 5/13/2008 6:13:39 PM | Have you ever wondered about why the "news" on the internet is so amazingly diverse from the things you hear on corporate media ? Does one have an agenda and the other just want to inform people ? Whenyou think about it in terms of plain and simple "Greed" what do you believe ? people who post videos showing real life situations or those who are trying to sell hair products, potency drugs, war etc? Who are you going to believe ? It seems that now in this day and age when everyone is biased to one side or the other we all want to believe the things that facilitate our own interests and we can't seem to stray from that perspective. ( stubborness or just shear devotion to a belief )
I'm angered by anyone who watches a video that shows solid truth of something and they dispute it even though you know they can't be that dumb. I'm sure many of you know what I mean.
Do you people believe what you are told or what you research? What's more important ? Your investigation as a logical human being or what you hear from some media person who may or may not have any credibility followed by an ad for cleaning products ?
The reason this relates to politics is that so much of what you hear about the candidates is so rediculously skewed by the media that it just gets rediculous. Ron Paul being my primary example. | |
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| Internet versus Mainstream Media
Posted: 5/13/2008 6:35:09 PM | Take a look behind the scenes. TV and radio are broadcast over the air using electromagnetic radiation technology. It's towers sending out signals to receivers. The signals are made in studios. The studios are buildings owned by corporations, which are in turn owned by men and women. So whatever message you wind up watching on TV or hearing on the radio was scripted, produced and then broadcast by a corporation doing so to promote the interests of the few people who profit by it. That anyone could form an idea of broadcast news that it is anything more than propaganda is a mystery to me.
With the internet you have exactly the same thing only there are many more people broadcasting their own propaganda, for their own purposes.
Now look behind the political process and ask what it is and how it works. Every so many years we have our regular periodic elections, and always between the same two parties.
When people watch the TV news they focus on the message but not the fact of there being a propaganda machine. With political campaigns they focus on the details, like what a candidate says or a particular issues, and pay no attention to the nature of the process overall.
There is the medium, the message and then the overall scheme into which these things fit, the role they play in our lives and the way they shape our views. The TV is one big mainstream lie and the internet is a collection of thousands of smaller more independent lies. Someplace in all of it is what really happens, and what it really means, which is for each person to find as best they can, until it becomes obvious that the idea of knowing what is going on is a conceit itself. The simple fact is we are awash in more happening than we can ever comprehend, and that the product we love so much from media outlets is the stuff we can use to delude ourselves into believing we do have a reasonable idea of the world and our place in it. | |
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| Internet versus Mainstream Media
Posted: 5/13/2008 6:40:55 PM | Don't get the idea those corporations wouldn't love to get control of the Internet too.
And, they will if we let them.
With freedom comes dubiousness.
The Internet is the most open and free source of information but it is also the most open and free source of lies and propaganda.
Let the surfer beware ! | |
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| Internet versus Mainstream Media
Posted: 5/13/2008 6:43:57 PM |
The TV is one big mainstream lie and the internet is a collection of thousands of smaller more independent lies.
The only flaw here is that when someone posts a video on Youtube or google they are posting a live feed of something without the "hollyweird" theatrics. It's just video from a web cam , cell phone, or digital camera. editing would be obvious. But with governmental pentagon media technology they have resources beyond belief to create realities that suit their agenda. | |
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| Internet versus Mainstream Media
Posted: 5/14/2008 1:46:10 AM |
I'm angered by anyone who watches a video that shows solid truth of something and they dispute it even though you know they can't be that dumb.
When you consider the average American has about a 9th grade education, are you surprised? Critical thinking should be a required course. | |
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| Internet versus Mainstream Media
Posted: 5/14/2008 7:39:05 AM |
But with governmental pentagon media technology they have resources beyond belief to create realities that suit their agenda.
Not really. You can create any kind of video you want using a laptop. The big lies are not high tech. They are talking points and TV ads, and TV shows and movies and the evening news. They are the small ideas that get repeated over and over so that you find them everywhere. They settle into the back of your mind and then you begin to repeat them yourself. Context is what determines how a scene is interpreted, and so when you see that clip online from someone's cell phone, how is it presented? And what makes you think it is real in the first place? People form an idea of the world and then they seek out whatever information agrees with it and discard whatever doesn't agree. The thing is, when they first form that idea of the world they lack the discernment and wisdom to create it without overwhelming influence from lies. Then if they never stop and rework everything by challenging all of their beliefs, it carries along and they have a worthless outlook. A thinking person will know that no source of information is to be trusted and no information is to be taken at face value. So while it might feel good to trust the internet more, there is no basis for doing so in terms of accuracy of information. | |
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| Internet versus Mainstream Media
Posted: 5/14/2008 7:21:46 PM | They are the small ideas that get repeated over and over so that you find them everywhere. They settle into the back of your mind and then you begin to repeat them yourself.
Or big ideas , In order to brainwash Americans into believing that the war was justifiable they repeated the words Terror , Terrorism, Terrorists, weapons of mass distruction , Terror, Nuclear weapons , Terrorists , Terrorism, Terror, WMD's , Terror ,Terror, Terror, Terror, Terrorists, Terror, etc till it was so firmly embedded in the minds of the populace that they were able to steal your rights from right under your noses. | |
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| Internet versus Mainstream Media
Posted: 5/16/2008 11:32:11 PM | Excellent posts mr internet and nipoleon.
I was wondering.. would darpa be considered a corporation?
If so, Pfftt!
I like researching random stuff like website's originating dates and registrants, their histories, connections and silly shat like that.
Lots revealed regarding propagandists there. | |
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| Internet versus Mainstream Media
Posted: 5/17/2008 12:03:24 AM | You might find this presentation quite interesting: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/248
You'll note that Ms. Miller's bio on TED indicates: "Alisa Miller is President and CEO of Public Radio International. She oversees the development of some 400 hours of programming a week, bringing challenging radio programs to millions of listeners. She is responsible for making PRI programs such as This American Life accessible through satellite radio, and for spearheading the development of new programs such as the new show The Takeaway. And yes, she is the first woman to take the helm of a public radio network.
Miller is an advocate for a global perspective in news programming. She notes that, even while society becomes more globally interconnected, "Americans seem to know less and less about the world around them." (Symptoms include the closure of foreign news bureaus -- and the increasing share of broadcast time devoted to Britney Spears.) Diversity in reporting, she says, is not just important -- it is vital for everyone who seeks to understand and act for good in an interdependent, increasingly complex world.
This presentation includes a rather dismal depiction of the 'news' available on the internet as well. For what it's worth, one of the antidotes I've found it this site itself; it's fascinating!
Along similar lines, in the blog attached to this presentation Ms. Miller did respond to someone else with concerns akin to yours:
Adrian Tsang on Alisa Miller's talk "Why do we know less than ever about the world?":
I don't suppose anyone can suggest some news outlets (web-based I hope) which have a more proportionate ratio of worldwide news?
Alisa Miller responds: I think public media can help, as well as hybrid models which we are exploring. Based on research, both PRI (through its program sites and .org) and NPR provide some diversity. Of course the BBC World Service is also great (full disclosure, we do distribute that in the USA). I think The Economist is also a great source, as is the NYT. The Wall Street Journal also provides quite a bit of global coverage, unless of course that changes under the new ownership. There are also interesting groups, like Global Voices, that provide first-hand accounts, also excellent. | |
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| Internet versus Mainstream Media
Posted: 5/17/2008 8:51:21 AM |
The only flaw here is that when someone posts a video on Youtube or google they are posting a live feed of something without the "hollyweird" theatrics. It's just video from a web cam , cell phone, or digital camera.
That is absolutely NOT the case.
Where one posts a video clip from their cell phone of, say, campus security over-reacting to a student with little common sense, it may be true (or at least more true)
However, many, if not most, of the political messages you get from youtube/google video/etc. are HIGHLY edited. Small, disjointed and unconnected clips of only a bare few words edited and strung together to remove them from context and obscure their meaning so that an alternate interpretation seems more plausible than it otherwise might.
Disparate and unconnected images juxtaposed in order to provide a meaning that otherwise does not exist.
The "alternative views" that are spread across the internet are VERY often composed using the same techniques used in hollywood or studio editing booths to strip original events and objects of their meaning and context so that an alternative meaning and context can be applied in a SEEMINGLY rational and meaningful way to sway peoples' opinions where the sum totality of the bare facts wouldn't.
Most internet conspiracy-type videos are propaganda that is manipulated and altered with the intent to deceive in exactly the same manner as the apparent deceit they rail against. | |
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| Internet versus Mainstream Media
Posted: 5/17/2008 9:11:07 AM | The internet does provide (at least for now) an open playing field for those who choose to use it. It's as revolutionary as the Gutenberg press was, actually far more so, based on numbers alone.
That doesn't mean it hasn't got a lot of disinformation on it however.
Today someone can actually produce a documentary or movie, or even a editorial - and it can be literally seen by anyone that's interested who has an internet connection. It's popularity is only limited to the attention it gets, and that's remarkable.
What used to be limited to only a corporations and large media outlets is now actually a DIY domain, with computers, software, and the net.
For almost nothing, you can compete one on one.
That's allowed for a lot of crud - and some fantastic work, by people who are not oriented for profit (typically) , and who seek out the truth wherever they may find it. | |
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| Internet versus Mainstream Media
Posted: 5/17/2008 9:12:34 AM |
Most internet conspiracy-type videos are propaganda that is manipulated and altered with the intent to deceive in exactly the same manner as the apparent deceit they rail against.
Very true. To believe otherwise is patently naive. One can never let his guard down, really. | |
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| Internet versus Mainstream Media
Posted: 5/17/2008 9:27:22 AM | Multiple 'lies' from which to choose is inherently a better situation than one in which the Company Lie is your only choice.  | |
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| Internet versus Mainstream Media
Posted: 5/17/2008 10:13:13 AM | If you think about it, all the internet does is keep you at home to believe whatever perspective you choose.
Ultimately it doesn't really matter what you believe because you are segregated. Free to debate your points until the cows come home.
It makes you feel empowered with knowledge when in reality you have less influence than you ever did simply because you are at home alone.
Has no one noticed that since the rise of the internet, real, co-ordinated social protest has been in decline....or is it just me? | |
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| Internet versus Mainstream Media
Posted: 5/17/2008 10:43:54 AM | Perhaps in the UK.
In my town, there are regular war protests that have been organized almost exclusively thru the internet. Made up from such a disparate cross section of society that cerrtainly wouldn't run in the same circles normally. | |
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| Internet versus Mainstream Media
Posted: 5/17/2008 12:15:02 PM |
Most internet conspiracy-type videos are propaganda that is manipulated and altered with the intent to deceive in exactly the same manner as the apparent deceit they rail against.
The people who post on the internet don't have nearly as much to lose by posting things on You tube or google. In fact most of the google videos are documentary movies that you would never be shown on TV since they are so dangerous to the global elite. The you tube stuff ? some of it is rediculous but the ones I tend to post are primarily things that are from News footage not home made things. Let's take for example the whole 911 thing.
we have Zeitgeist, 911clues , Loose change, Martial law/a police state, Painful deceptions, and the list goes on and on. They all have one simple point. They show and dissect the actual footage taken that day by the media and show you how rediculous it is to believe what the mainstream media is telling you. If you actually spend the time to watch them you will certainly come away with a variety of questions that you may not have been exposed to becasue the mainstream enterprise will not and cannot show you these things.
If you google the owners of Gannet media and also everything that Rupert Murdoch owns you will clearly find a globalist agenda tied to them.
They made you believe that Ron Paul was a KOOK even though he's probably the only honest man in the race for presidency. They can't let you have that. They would all lose their jobs if someone with decency and integrity took office. He wants to close the IRS and the federal government and stop all the wars immediately if not yesterday. This goes against the thousands of government employees that are getting rich off of your complacency. | |
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| Internet versus Mainstream Media
Posted: 5/17/2008 12:56:26 PM | | An agenda may be heartfelt and genuine, but that doesn't mean it is immune to utilizing the propaganda techniques of clever imagery, quote mining, distortion, a whole bevy of logical fallacies, and half-truths. | |
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| Internet versus Mainstream Media
Posted: 5/17/2008 3:55:13 PM | | On the internet, you have diversity but are even more susceptible to indoctrination of thought. Instead of being brainwashed by Murdoch or the corporate information disseminations as the MSM, you can believe your facts from someone of the ilk of Rev. James Jones or Sun Myung Moon. Dangerous stuff. | |
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| Internet versus Mainstream Media
Posted: 5/17/2008 8:54:18 PM |
you can believe your facts from someone of the ilk of Rev. James Jones or Sun Myung Moon.
Never heard of these people
I'm talking about documentaries Like Freedom to Fascism by Aaron Russo, I believe every north american sshould see this film.
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&q
More videos by Russo can be found here.
http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/08/25/aaron-russo-1943-2007/ | |
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| Internet versus Mainstream Media
Posted: 5/18/2008 5:39:11 AM |
The big lies are not high tech. They are talking points and TV ads, and TV shows and movies and the evening news. They are the small ideas that get repeated over and over so that you find them everywhere. They settle into the back of your mind and then you begin to repeat them yourself.
Precisely!
OBL = never been any proof and cia met with him 6 months prior, big criminal huh!
Terrorism = the new buzz word that is anything from mass murder to a traffic tiket.
Democracy = Falsely accusing and labeling America as a democracy when it is a Republic!
Homeland = The jews have a "homeland" Hitler had the "fatherland" We have the Union of States.
WMD = weapons of mass deception/distortion.
War on terror = War on the rights of the US Citizenry.
How the hell do you declare war on crime, terror? Oh yeh there he is the guy wearing the terror uniform take em out!
We hear all this absolute garbage repeated ad hominem and it is designed to slowly change the way we see our selves and our legal system and the political landscape at large.
I rather doubt that most people realize the subtle differences in language under the law that means huge differences in the way that law can be executed.
Unfortunately they have convinced most of the world that the only way to circumvent future disaster is with the creation of a Global government to get international cooperation which translates in the final analysis into a means of global coercion.
The really sad part is that people, as a result of inflation are kept extremely busy as a whole just trying to survive (note the cost of gas compared to your wages, that is inflation at work) and we the people only hear the buzz words given to us by the media never having enough time to really investigate the politics we believe in. Assuming thay can accept what they find in the first place. Many do not want to think there is a dark side. Many people blame binladen because he was the designated patsy just like oswald.
Words have specific meanings and like boiling a frog alive, if the heat is applied slowly it cooks us and we dont even know it.
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| Internet versus Mainstream Media
Posted: 5/18/2008 12:44:13 PM | | The internet is better because if you to the right web page you may get the facts about whatever story your interested in. | |
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Posted: 5/18/2008 4:53:15 PM |
OBL = never been any proof and cia met with him 6 months prior, big criminal huh!
OBL= One Big Lie
Terrorism = the new buzz word that is anything from mass murder to a traffic tiket.
Terrorism=US propaganda
Democracy = Falsely accusing and labeling America as a democracy when it is a Republic!
In the words of bush regarding the constitution " I't's just a god damned piece of paper"
Homeland = The jews have a "homeland" Hitler had the "fatherland" We have the Union of States.
Chertoff in russian means son of satan ( It's true look it up )
WMD = weapons of mass deception/distortion.
And now it's Iran and people still believe it ? That is just so twisted !!
War on terror = War on the rights of the US Citizenry.
This whole war on terror campaign is something that Hitler himself would have been so proud of. | |
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Posted: 5/18/2008 5:35:09 PM |
Never heard of these people
I would have been more timely if not for my 2 week old hard drive going flaky on me after I switched out my perfectly fine 8 year old one because I wanted more space.
Guy, one of those two is directly responsible for the famous phrase "drink the Kool-Aid" that is used on this forum numerous times a day.
Facts are disseminated by people with agendas whether it be MSM or the internet. Sure there are independent sites that just have rows and columns of information just for the sake of presentation, but who goes to those sites to get their information then cross reference to formulate facts? Few. A terrible misguided idea is "if it's a documentary, then it's fact" but all documentaries begin with the conclusion and then it's formulated from there. If some provide the counterpoints required, they're still filtered to support the conclusion. People often will dismiss a documentary as bogus if it doesn't mirror their own pre-formulated conclusion or it's absolute fact if it does.
Crackpots abound and each one can convince very well. James Jones... Charles Manson... all of their followers believed the facts presented were absolute truth. On the internet it comes from an exponential number of angles. If someone says "Here's some information" to you, you are being indoctrinated. | |
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Posted: 5/18/2008 5:41:16 PM | responsible for the famous phrase "drink the Kool-Aid"
I don't like kool-aid it's what ? one part water ten parts sugar ? I only like reality without the sugary fantasies.
all of their followers believed the facts presented were absolute truth. As a logical person I don't simply believe what I'm told or shown I have to look into it first. Okay I'm going to Site alex Jones but when you watch what he's asying he provides documents and verifiable statements for his allegations. I like that I can reference facts that are sshown to me if I dispute them. | |
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