| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/13/2008 8:49:39 PM | Keith Olbermann of MSNBC, in his infinite wisdom, said "Duhh.. That's about 2 to 1 isn't it"?? Truth is Keith old boy, try to keep up!! It's closer to 3 to 1 so far. Get you a calculator and figure it out! Right now the reported numbers are:
Clinton 67% at 197,815
Obama 26% at 77,977
Nora O'Donald - MSNBC, quickly chimed in that in West Virginia of course, it was all about racism, since there are a lot of "typical white working class" there, and she says that's what did Obama in.
You just gotta love MSNBC for their always-enlightened outlook!
In any case, it was quite an amazing day for Clinton, who is proving how resilient she can be in a crisis, even with major News Organizations firmly in opposition..
-Suth'nBoy 
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/13/2008 9:01:15 PM | And a fine day it was, Suth'nBoy. A very fine day..
I was almost able to close my eyes and pretend this Obama-nightmare was all over and Senator Clinton was in her rightful place at the helm. I could see our economy already improving. I could see the good ole days of Bill Clinton back shining on us again. I imagined Hillary in charge, running the country and thought about how the actual demeanor of the country would change for the better in so many ways..
-sigh-
Then I woke up and realized that we're still dealing with the DNC, super delegates, and some people with very impaired judgment making decisions for this party --
May God help America.
Senator Hillary Clinton 2008 -- it's not too late | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/13/2008 9:07:58 PM | Awwww... come on ... the  is just getting good.
I say McCain or H. Clinton... please...please... not Obama. He has the bankroll (moola) for sure.. but, not the experience.
The World awaits with bated breath for Nov. Seriously... it does. | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/13/2008 9:52:08 PM | Seems young Mr. Obama couldn't take the heat of such an overwhelming landslide. He got all depressed, and left the State altogether! Probably never to return again!
Although that may not be a very good thing to do. He may pay dearly for that one. He's pretty much declared victory in advance (in spite of what he says), and considers himself moving on to the General to face Mr. McCain, as though none of the rest of it counts for anything.
That's shows even more arrogance, and arrogance is one thing he really needs to avoid at this point. By the way, he has already declared himself a loser in Kentucky too. So he will doubtfully spend any time there either. Can we say "Separatist"?? Picking and choosing one's constituency from among his worshipers? Didn't he say something about being a "Uniter" at one time?
He already took on the appearance of elitism, by privately saying Middle America, and the typical white working class, clings to it's guns, religion, and racial prejudice, as a means of coping with hard times. Why is he only digging himself in deeper?? Isn't that rather self-destructive? Is he beginning to come unraveled?
-Suth'nBoy 
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/13/2008 10:54:01 PM | Honestly, I don't think you can put a lot of national meaning into whatever happens in the political scene here in WV. We're an atypical lot, in so many ways.
Collectively, while everyone else was experiencing the upheaval of the sixties and seventies, we were just trotting off to vietnam or into the coal mines, and pretty much missed much of that transitional time. Unless you want to count all the hippies who moved here to homestead on the cheap land.
I moved here 25 years ago to pursue my passion for whitewater, and have called the state home ever since. I've found the culture here fascinating, unlike anywhere else I've lived (PA, NH, OH, IN, and Chile) At the moment I also find it fascinating how many people feel so strongly on the Clinton vs. Obama issue, when their platforms are so similar. It seems that their personalities evoke strong reactions one way or the other, and come fall that will probably be the make or break voting issue, not all the important issues that need to be addressed after the mess of the past eight years.
I also find it interesting that among my widely varied acquaintances, many of whom I've had spirited disagreements with over political and environmental issues, nearly all of them are Obama supporters. In this sparsely populated state, it appears that I may personally know nearly everyone who voted for him.
What strikes me most about this election is that I'm the least afraid of the worst case scenario of any election I can remember. My order of preference is Obama, Clinton, McCain, but no matter what I'll breath a big sigh of relief come January when the current nightmare draws to a close.
But that's just me. I'll be taking down my Obama yard sign tomorrow, which I'm glad to say saw no vandalism during the primary campaign. Maybe I'll get to put it back up come fall, or maybe I'll track down a Clinton sign instead. Whichever, bring on the change!
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/13/2008 11:37:20 PM | Amazed that everyone is saying that this is the beganing of a Clinton come back when in the real world that most of us inhabit know that this woman has a snowball chance in hell of winning the fair way. What truly amazes me is the lack of knowledge of the US constitution. I keep hearing from Hillary and her supporters how Obama is not qualified, but in the constution it states only two qualifications needed to run for president of the USA, 1: natural born citizens (which JOhn McCain is not born in Panama, and 2, age over 35 which all are.
Then people say this man is not experinced enough in the ways of Washington, well i will take his inexperince of Washington ideals and live with them. True he does not know how to play the tic for tac of Washington, but with that it does mean we wongt go into wars that did not need to be waged He wont drag his feel on energy issues because its popular or unpopular to do something, the way i see it its win a win for all Americans.
I truly do not know what this man has to do earn people,s trust (those who are so opposed to him), my guess what he would have to do is change his color. Yes i said it, everyone knows whats happening here but we chose to hide from it. Oh i am not saying those he do not support him are racist and in fact i could care less if they were. All i care about is my country's future and the future of my children. But i will say this and i say this out of disbelief that those in West Virgina with the low unemployment. low colleg graduation what in the hell could these people be thinking. The Clintons did nothing for them when they were in office, what in the hell are they going to do for them a second go around. If they had done good things for them while in office, West Virgina would not be in the shape it is in now.
What happend in West Virgina was not a shock and no suprise as a matter of fact the only thing i would say to Team Obama, if i could is do not let her win Ky without contesting it. Its clear that the Clintons are willing to change the rules sow the seeds of doubt. The new math now , according to the Clintons is 2209 not 2225, this shows me they will do everything and anything to win, so thus he must match them stride for stride. The Clintons need a good spanking.
Now on to the next insight, evryone says will Obama be able to gain the " Hard working white people's vote, but no one says will Hillary be able to gain those black people's vote. Again one has to prove himself and the other does not, can we say unfair. But here is some words of wisdom for true democrats. Count on"HARD WORKING BLACK AMERICANS at your perile, and you will find that we are not so easly swayed by promises. I personaly know alot of black Americans who will vote for McCain if this is perceived as stealing a nomination from Obama. Not because we would do it out of spite, it would be done because we will see that nothing will change in Washington and we can survive 8 years ofanother Republican alot easier then those " hard working white Americans", hell we had to survive 250 years of on going poverty, whats 8 more years.
Also what i do not get is how does some one prove his patriotism? How doese one prove his love of country? How do you do this when no matter what you do say, will never be enough. I read on one of these forum postings that Obama was a Manchurian Canidate, never mind the lead character was a South East Asian prisoner of war, or the fact that his mom came from one of those Old True American militaryfamilies. Sounds like a canidate in the race now. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM i wonder.
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/14/2008 9:21:15 AM | In every group there are always the NaySayers. In fact the NaySayers have a whole television network of NaySayers called MSNBC to back them up. And even CNN has been leaning that way too. Particularly notable at CNN is Jack Cafferty who is just plain MAD that Clinton hasn't thrown in the towel. He even deletes any posts on his Cafferty Blog at CNN that do not agree with him! Pffftt! Get over it MSNBC and CNN! Find something better to do! Like reporting the News accurately for a change!!
There's a new train a-comin'!! Get on board, or get left behind..!
Common phrases we often hear from the NaySayers are:
o Impossible! Wishful Thinking!
o It's never been done before!
o Can't be done! It's a Fantasy!
o No way! Do the math! It doesn't work!
How many times have you heard such silliness?
But truth be known, it CAN work.. In spite of what the Major Corporate-Based Media would have you believe. No, it's not a piece of cake. But then neither is the Iraq war, or the economy, or Healthcare! If it were easy, we wouldn't need a strong president like Clinton. Then, Obama could probably do the job reasonably well. But it isn't easy!
All that NaySaying hasn't deterred anybody so far. I don't think it will now either. West Virginia spoke loud and clear as have most other BIG States like Pennsylvania and Ohio and California. They said America isn't ready to give the reins of the entire country over to an untried rookie with unclear objectives, no experience, and no idea what to do, merely because we like the way he talks. It's a little bigger deal than that.
Clinton is far less affected by adversity than is Obama. She can weather the storm. She's a lot tougher than Obama. AND obviously a lot more resilient. That's become VERY clear.. AND I expect she'll be appearing in Kentucky too.
Why? Because Kentucky, like West Virginia, is part of America, as are Florida and Michigan. And it matters! At least it matters to most of us, including Clinton.
-Suth'nBoy
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/14/2008 9:24:37 AM |
A "Clinton comeback" is pure fantasy. Wishful thinking.
it doesn't really matter. obama is still going to get murdered in the general and it's going to be mccain for 4 years. not like that matters, all three are faceless and empty suits to me. | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/14/2008 9:29:18 AM | | dont agree w you JM....sorry. everyone here knows which side i lean to, but i think we should see a dem landslide in presidential AND congressional seats.......i wish mc cain had a stronger position but i just dont see it right now. | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/14/2008 9:35:08 AM | Obama's got to get to the General, before he can be beaten there! 
As previously stated, it ain't a done deal by quite a stretch. But if he does, he very well may be beaten there by Bush III.
Clinton, on the other hand, will prevail in the General, in very big numbers. America wants no more of the Bush madness.
-Suth'nBoy 
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/14/2008 9:36:01 AM | | no way. obama doesn't stand a chance. he is going to lose these swing states that hillary is winning. he didn't even go to WV. he is going to get crushed in the south. I don't know a single person that is or was a mccain supporter, but someone is voting for him. | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/14/2008 9:37:26 AM | As I woke up this morning and opened my news websites, no mention on the front pages of a primary even being held yesterday. I had to search for results on WV.
One did have the headline "Obama picks up 3 Superdelegates". | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/14/2008 11:10:15 AM |
he didn't even go to WV
That would be wrong. He was here a number of times, and his campaign set up 12 field offices in the state compared to the one that Hillary set up. BOTH of them were here far more than any primary contenders have ever been. One possible edge Obama may have come fall is that this extended primary campaign has allowed him to get his supporters organized in every state, so that infrastructure will already be in place and ready for him.
I have to admit that today I'm ashamed and embarrassed for my state. It's not that Hillary won big. She's a fine and worthy candidate for president, even my edge goes to Obama. It's that one in four voters admitted in exit polls that race was a factor in their decision.
I spend a lot of time extolling the many virtues of WV. Lowest crime rate, highest percentage of home ownership, lowest population density east of the mississippi, incredible natural beauty and residents who go out of their way to help anyone in need. But sometimes we live down to the negative stereotypes, and yesterday, in terms of race, we did just that.
Please pass the word that many of us here are not that backward and ignorant.
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/14/2008 11:22:47 AM | | My first thought was she won out of sympathy and not due to race. Personally I don't think polls should be asking "if" race was an issue..that's outlandish! We don't need further perpetuation of focusing on someones race.. stick to the issues not skin color.. shame on those polls. | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/14/2008 11:24:48 AM | Why would any W. VA Resident be ashamed that there would be those who say they voted on the basis of race? The African Americans proclaim it loud and clear. Which I see nothing wrong with...their right to say that which is their reasoning.
At least those Caucasians who state 'race' are being honest.
Here's the thing that so many don't get.
If I were an African American, I would trust Wright with my back...due to his strong stance.
If I were a Caucasian I would trust a radical Caucasian with my back..due to their strong stance.
Doesn't mean I agree with either. Just plain ole 'Common Sense' tells me that, right or wrong, the above would be more truth and dependable than not.
When we quit hiding the Truth...whether we agree or disagree with it...is when Real change will take place.
Why hide the fact that there are more able bodied African Americans who could work, don't work..have babies and are on Welfare.
Why hide the fact that there are more Caucasians living in rural mobile homes and are termed 'rednecks'.
Why hide anything. It's obvious to the naked eye.
I'm a college degreed Individual and I am far far from well off. My bad decisions to help people who let me down. But, I'm not crying over spilt milk.
Take INDIVIDUAL Responsibility for our actions. Period. No excuses. Not now and not for generations past. | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/14/2008 11:27:09 AM | | Dave, I hate the insinuation that anyone is backward and ignorant. High School grads living in the hills aren't any more ignorant than most suit and tie guys driving to their offices every day. They just choose a different flavor of ignorance. | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/14/2008 11:27:33 AM | well, did he leave early or something? I know he was being criticized for something he did in WV. I was ashamed for my state when they voted for mccain and obama. I do know that obama won because of the NY transplants that are everywhere in NC. he does not stand a chance in the general election in this state. I have no problem with people not voting for him because he is half black. just as I have no problem with someone voting for him simply because he is half black. black voters have been voting in record numbers, and I have a feeling they aren't voting mccain.
WV is a beautiful state. great waterfalls! my brother went to college in wheeling. | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/14/2008 11:36:13 AM | Nora O'Donald - MSNBC, quickly chimed in that in West Virginia of course, it was all about racism, since there are a lot of "typical white working class" there, and she says that's what did Obama in. Why izzit not racism when Obama wins states with large black Democratic constituencies?
Picking and choosing one's constituency from among his worshipers? Didn't he say something about being a "Uniter" at one time? Why soitenly Obama is a uniter! He unites the Obamamaniacs! Otherwise, you just aren't "elitist" enough to appreciate the powerful force of Obamamania! If your state shows a propensity to support him, he comes to towns to make another vague "change you can believe in" speech, and litter your airwaves with the Obama Network. If your state doesn't "unite", the media plugs for him and he still litters with airwaves with the ON--he makes for great news one way or the other.
natural born citizens (which JOhn McCain is not born in Panama Incorrect. McCain was born on a U.S. Naval base in the Panama Canal Zone--an U.S. protectorate. Being born on military property is just like being born in the United States.
no mention on the front pages of a primary even being held yesterday...One did have the headline "Obama picks up 3 Superdelegates". The general media will downplay Hillary's victory. No surprise the superdelegate story of Obama would be promoted. | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/14/2008 11:48:39 AM | It's that one in four voters admitted in exit polls that race was a factor in their decision.
I spend a lot of time extolling the many virtues of WV. Lowest crime rate, highest percentage of home ownership, lowest population density east of the mississippi, incredible natural beauty and residents who go out of their way to help anyone in need. But sometimes we live down to the negative stereotypes, and yesterday, in terms of race, we did just that.
Please pass the word that many of us here are not that backward and ignorant.
I don't think you can really take it that way Dave. A LOT depends on how the questions are asked and interpreted. And race can be a factor in many ways, such as what was the influence of the infamous Reverend Wright on the primary, for one. For many it was signficant, and probably should be, in the interest of common sense. Yet that's a race-related consideration, and that would have some effect how some may have voted. But that doesn't indicate bigotry. Many are concerned also that some 93% of black America is voting for Obama. That's surely somewhat race-related too.
Nora O'Donald of MSNBC however, concluded the same thing you did. She implied that it was about WVA being a bunch of racists and bigots, since many said race was indeed a factor in how they may have voted, as indicated by the Exit Polls. Kira Phillips/CNN has said similar things in the past as well. But we can't really presume things like that. To do so is to skip beyond the reality of the situation, in favor of a given objective.
-Suth'nBoy
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/14/2008 12:04:36 PM | Yes, Obama left WV early.. For all intents and purposes he indicated that WV, and KY to follow as well, don't really matter for much, as far as he's concerned. If he even appears in KY, it will be a surprise, from what he's indicated to date.
I think those are tactical mistakes on his part, indicating his lack of concern for, and his dismissal of, certain American demographics, and it pushes him even further toward an image of separatism and elitism.
Clinton is getting only about 5% of the black American vote thoughout the country, which is dismal. But she doesn't ignore or dismiss that demographic because of that. They are after all, Americans too.
Why soitenly Obama is a uniter! He unites the Obamamaniacs! Otherwise, you just aren't "elitist" enough to appreciate the powerful force of Obamamania!
You may have a very good point there Bikeman!
-Suth'nBoy
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