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Posted: 5/14/2008 7:59:38 PM | there isn't a shortage of this or that or that there are too many people, its that we, the u.s, can no longer sustain the level of afluence we are use to.
and we have made it clear by our actions that sharing is out of the question. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 8:08:42 PM | | The only things that U.S. have shared with the world in the last 20 years or so is death, arrogant coercion, and lies. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 8:34:59 PM | Get over yourself 'thebestguyhere'. Really. Ya know... negative 'attention' like you seek is becoming very very irritating to read. I must learn to scroll past your posts.
The US is one..one...of several major Humanitarian Nations. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 8:39:07 PM |
The US is one..one...of several major Humanitarian Nations.
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Posted: 5/14/2008 9:49:50 PM |
I must learn to scroll past your posts.
Jedi, I had a feeling you are a quick learner. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 10:09:03 PM |
The only things that U.S. have shared with the world in the last 20 years or so is death, arrogant coercion, and lies. Don't forget about Baywatch, internet porn and MC Hammer's pants...
OT: Empires come and go. We had a pretty good run. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 10:13:05 PM | oil we are dependant on that one thing.
our suburban lifestyles require tons of it.
the problem is amarica did peak in oil in the 1970's so we now import all of our oil instead of export. all that money going out of the us. natural gas is also peaked to...
yes i believe in the peak oil theory. our supply and demand has been changed, now its a sellers market and who knows in the next few years how its going to hurt us, but its not going to be good at all. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 10:21:21 PM | .
Come on lets not be so hard on the us!
We are 5% of the worlds population and consume 25% of the worlds oil. Let the rest of em like get used to it already its our birth right so there. Oh and dont call us stingy either. We shared our f15's with Iran, VX with saddam hussein and nuke plans with china and we give the blood sucking israelis billions from the public coffers every year.
Not only that we spread 700 tons of depleted uranium over iraq and afghanastan in efforts to help them glow in the dark.
Dont let anyone kid you we are the best nad most generous that will ever be!
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Posted: 5/14/2008 10:29:51 PM |
The US is one..one...of several major Humanitarian Nations.
That does not negate the fact that the US consumes too much.
On a per capita scale, the US helps humanitarian causes less than many other countries. Not to mention that much of the aid it does provide is tied. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 10:58:50 PM | | There is no other country that I would rather live next to than the United States of America. (I'm Canadian :) ) | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 11:13:47 PM |
There is no other country that I would rather live next to than the United States of America. (I'm Canadian :) )
I'm sure they will be glad to hear it when our governments sell off our natural resources to the lowest bidding corporate stooges down there as Stelmach is doing to Alberta Oil and Gas...can't wait till they start doing it too our water.
The American people I have met by and large, those who have benefitted from a good education, and those who served their country, have been decent hard working folks...pity their government is full of criminal thugs that they can't yet seem to get under control.
Perhaps if they could just nuke Capitol Hill and start over... | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 12:16:28 AM | yup you whould think that whould be the terrorists first target. no wait we didnt goto war with iraq over terror. it was just to force iraq to be friends with us, yes so we can get there black gold...gosh lets all move to sweden. they are at least making the most attempt at independance of oil
ok im just posting a new post about peak oil to give this post a new title | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 6:51:00 AM | "Get over yourself 'thebestguyhere'. Really"
She is right. The vast majority of people read little or no history, so they think that these problems with the rest of the world hating us is a new thing and that we have done nothing to deserve it. We have been arrogantly exploiting the rest of the world for two hundred years and treating the people of other countries like garbage. In the first few decades of the 20th century we set up brutal and oppressive puppet governments all over the planet to make it easier for us to steal their resources, including the middle east, and we wonder why none of these people harbor any love for us.
Right now we are engaged in a useless war that will accomplish nothing and will go down in history as an episode of infamy. The was has cost somewhere near 500 billion now. Have you any clue how many lives could be saved if 500 billion were devoted to cancer or aids research? It would probably result in cures for both diseases. But instead, we will kill hundreds of thousands of people so that the big corps can make more money. This war was was invented by George W. Bush and****Cheney for no other purpose than to make themselves and their corporate cronies richer. These wealthy interests pay professional propagandists like Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'reilly and Lars Larson to spew out a continual fountain of lies to us every day on thousands of radio stations. Millions of people who are apparently unable to read and research and think for themselves listen to these paid servants of the rich and believe every word they say, without question.
Larson, O'reilly and Limbaugh continually tell us $16 an hr union workers that we are overpaid and that is what is wrong with the country. What most people do not bother to find out, is that all three of these men are union employees who make far more than $16 an hr. They are professional liars who have gone to school to learn how to lie, and yet millions continue to do everything they say and believe everything they say to believe. They whip us up into frenzies about non-issues and get us waving the flag and ready to go out into the world and kill hundreds of thousands for the good old American greenback. Yet the same corporations who pay these men are busily sending the wealth of the United States overseas in the name of making a profit for the bloated bank accounts of their self-indulgent and crooked ceo's.
35 yrs ago a guy working my job could easily afford to buy a modest house and own a new car. Nowadays he is lucky to live in an apartment and drive a ten-yr-old car. Tell me some more about how making rich people richer is going to make me prosperous. They take nearly half of my paycheck for taxes and somehow I just do not feel very prosperous. Maybe the government just hasn't given those rich people enough tax breaks yet. Maybe we should just stop taxing the rich and the bloatedly wealthy multinationals altogether and then maybe a few dollars will trickle into my wallet when they flush their toilets.
I do not know why I bother to post this, the brainwashed people who need to understand it will never believe it no matter what. They will continue to march to the bidding of the rich who are patriotically screwing them, smiling in stupidity while they are getting screwed because they think they are getting a good deal as their taxes continue to go up and their wages go down while the ceo's get richer and richer. It is really incredible. Oh, but that is the American way isn't it. At least that is what Lars and O'reilly and Limbaugh keep telling us.
Meanwhile, the world is full of babies who weakly cry as they sicken and die of malnutrition, malaria and aids while grief-stricken mothers hold them helplessly, unable to do anything as their children suffer and die.
Yes us great wonderful Americans have a mission to go forth waving the flag and bombing the living sh1t out of anyone who gets in the way of our almighty dollar. As everyone knows, we are God's chosen and all others on the planet only exist for us to wipe our holy feet upon as we work harder and harder to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. Keep on waving that flag and believing in the good old USA, right or wrong, love it or leave it, as you spit your tobacco juice and swig your beer. Keep on believing ol' Rush and Lars, cuz that way you will be comfortable in your ignorance. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 7:20:14 AM | "there isn't a shortage of this or that or that there are too many people, its that we, the u.s, can no longer sustain the level of afluence we are use to."
Well, if this were true (it isn't) then certainly there would have to be a shortage of this or that. In reality the whole idea that current levels of prosperity are not sustainable is based not on sober analysis but on hysteria. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 7:34:59 AM | America is undoubtedly one of the most amazing body of peoples on earth. It's not right to just look at the things that happen around the world and blame them for every bad thing. They do an amazing amount of good too. Millions of people around the world owe them a great debt of thanks and we should never forget that.
I would never suggest that we ignore the things they are responsible for that are truely horrific like Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Vietnam, Cambodia and Michael Jackson but neither should be forget or devalue the great things they have done for the world such as ending slavery, leading the United Nations to liberate Kuwait and giving us Judge Judy.
The American people are the best people to have standing by our side in the war to end terror. You might not agree with how they go about it as many people don't including myself, but that doesn't change the fact that without them and their love for freedom the world would be a much worse place to be.
My heartfelt thanks to you all | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 8:28:34 AM | ---The only things that U.S. have shared with the world in the last 20 years or so is death, arrogant coercion, and lies--
As a Canadian I would think that you would feel a great deal of gratitude to the US.
Living beside the most powerful and wealthy democracy in the world has benefited Canada incalcuably economically and socially. Because of its unique situation
Canada has been able to take money it would have had to spend on defense and apply that to its social infrastructure. Canada didnt have to spend trillons of dollars fighting the Cold War, and living within driving distance of the most dynamic and robust economyin the world has made Canada . | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 10:09:09 AM |
The only things that U.S. have shared with the world in the last 20 years or so is death, arrogant coercion, and lies.
Must suck to live in your world. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 10:21:47 AM |
neither should be forget or devalue the great things they have done for the world such as ending slavery,
That would be a great boast if the US actually had ended slavery, but it's still a major problem worldwide.
If, however, you're taking a typically narrow American view, and referring only to the practice of slavery in the US, you're still off-base; that particular anti-slavery movement had its origin in the British Parliament.
The American people are the best people to have standing by our side in the war to end terror
I'm a bit confused by this claim... the world's foremost terrorist nation is the best to have on your side in a war against terror? That makes no sense at all. If the US really had any interest in fighting terrorism, they would stop funding terrorists!!!
Millions of people around the world owe them a great debt of thanks and we should never forget that.
Yeah, can't ever forget the millions of innocent civilians who would never have had the chance to see new sights if the US hadn't bombed them out of their homes. Thanks, guys!  | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 11:12:21 AM | | so your saying we should keep consuming 25% of the oil just to have more then evryone else. i live in detroit. to tell me that everyone is keeping there current level of prosperity whould be a lie. with layoffs happening on a daily basis. people are struggling to make ends meet. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 11:30:51 AM | "so your saying we should keep consuming 25% of the oil just to have more then evryone else."
I am saying people should continue doing what they will do - that is, use their means to achieve their various ends. As a consequence of this energy consumption is sure to rise, yes.
" i live in detroit. to tell me that everyone is keeping there current level of prosperity whould be a lie."
strawman, because I never made that claim. There are always in any system winners and losers and I never once said everyone was winning. Nor do I even defend the current system - I seek radical economic reforms.
"with layoffs happening on a daily basis. people are struggling to make ends meet."
Sure, there are problems - and I have solutions to those problems, not that anyone ever listens - but if people are struggling to make ends meet, wouldn't that seem to indicate to you that we should do the opposite of cutting back? we should be trying to make things better (aka, more consumption) not worse... | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 11:32:56 AM | "Yeah, can't ever forget the millions of innocent civilians who would never have had the chance to see new sights if the US hadn't bombed them out of their homes. Thanks, guys!"
And let us be clear - this millions figure is not an exaggeration. The American Government has been responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of innocent civilians, from Vietnam and Laos and Cambodia, to Grenada and Nicaragua and Chile to Iraq, Iran, Palestine and Lebanon - just to name a few countries off the top of my head.
But we don't call that terrorism, we call it "foreign policy". | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 12:26:26 PM | i see, we americans put two million cambodians to death, not pol pot. we americans put a quarter of a million south vietnamese to torture, disease and death in "re-education" camps in the mid seventies as we left southeast asia. we americans are responsible for the deaths of thousands of south vietnamese who committed suicide on the fall of the south to the north. we americans are responsible for the deaths of thousands of the vietnamese boat people at sea.
and how are we responsible for the misery in south america? because our companies like to do business there? so they can bring you bananas? do you like to pay 39/49/69 a pound for your bananas that you eat w your cereal? or fund some communist regime and pay 3, 4 dollars a pound for them?
great, i see you are as well versed on history, politics and philosophy as the 9-11 hijackers were, those arab freakers who were western trained, probably free sponsored in their advanced chemistry, math, and physics degrees. just so happened the year before that we saved a million muslims from sure starvation by airlifting them supplies. they paid us back by blowing up a chunk of manhattan and the pentagon, killing a few thousand innocent people. you advocating that?
its time to put down that village voice crap,which i've been hearing from alexander cockburn since the 80's, that msnbc drivel, who openly root for their favorite candidate , those soros sponsored many tentacled websites, under the "open society" umbrella, and join the real world. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 12:30:57 PM | "i see, we americans put two million cambodians to death, not pol pot. "
No, you americans put 100-300,000 Cambodians to death during Kissinger/Nixon's illegal, and aggressive bombing campaign which certainly helped Pol Pot rise to power.
"we americans put a quarter of a million south vietnamese to torture, disease and death in "re-education" camps in the mid seventies as we left southeast asia."
Well, your napalm did kill > 5 million in the North Vietnamese. But let's not forget about the South Vietnamese that were killed when, at the behest of the French, America bombed SOUTH Vietnam.
"its time to put down that village voice crap, that msnbc drivel, and those soros sponsored many tentacled websites, and join the real world."
All you have done is strawman me. Why don't you address any of the situations I actually did raise, instead of pretending I said something I didn't? I named 9 countries where U.S. foreign policy has directly murdered millions of innocent people, but I guess since they're not white their deaths don't count. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 12:37:02 PM |
i see, we americans put two million cambodians to death, not pol pot. we americans put a quarter of a million south vietnamese to torture, disease and death in "re-education" camps in the mid seventies as we left southeast asia. we americans are responsible for the deaths of thousands of south vietnamese who committed suicide on the fall of the south to the north. we americans are responsible for the deaths of thousands of the vietnamese boat people at sea.
great, i see you are as well versed on history, politics and philosophy as the 9-11 hijackers were, those arab freakers who were western trained, probably free sponsored in their advanced chemistry, math, and physics degrees.
Well if you leave out the ad hominems, red-herrings and other fallacious junk in your post...no one has been saying any of the stuff you are suggesting...nor has the USA been blamed for original sin either  at least not yet. The jury is still out.
There is plenty that you cannot deny American foreign policy is directly responsible for...playing politics abroad has been stock in trade for half a century or more as has been directly or indirectly toppling legitimate governments...Iran's democratically elected regime was overthrown by America. This is something admitted to by all the players.
America provided logistics and support to plenty of tyrants to attack rebels...the East Timorese for one. One doesn't have to read rags like the Village Voice or watch MSNBC (bleh) to know this information.
And it is quite undeniable that the USA is the worlds largest resource user per capita. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 12:41:09 PM | OMG...
Sometimes the sheeet gets too deep even for swamp boots.
America has for the most part... please see 'operative word'..'most' .... retaliated when we were hit first.
It is sooo easy for the part of the World to point fingers and yada yada yada about this Capitalist Nation known as the USA... while they send arms/weapons to whoever they want. They just do it more 'sneaky' and aren't as visible as the USA because we are such a diversified Nation which a majority of the people want to come to ... illegally or legally.
I really do wish we would drill for our own oil and utilize autos which are hybrid... (last accounting I heard, we would have enough oil for our own needs for thousands of years contained in our lands alone). I wish we would turn internal to our own needs first and foremost and let the World fend for themselves...with us giving aid only when absolutlely needed to other Nations.
If you hate America.. petition your governments to ignore us and allow your militaries to keep us off your soil. We might get the message and leave everyone alone.
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