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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/15/2008 6:00:04 PM | Well, it's reached a new low....
President Bush Committed Political Treason Today By Will Bunch The Philadelphia Daily News
Thursday 15 May 2008
I've seen a lot of sad things in American politics in my lifetime - the resignation of a president who became a national disgrace after he oversaw a campaign of break-ins and cover-ups, another who circumvented the Constitution to trade arms for hostages, and yet is now hailed as national hero. And those paled to what we have seen in the last seven years - flagrant disregard for the Constitution, the launching of a "pre-emptive" war on false pretenses, and discussions about torture and other shocking abuses inside the White House inner sanctum.
But now it's come to this: A new low that I never imagined was even possible.
President Bush went on foreign soil today, and committed what I consider an act of political treason: Comparing the candidate of the U.S. opposition party to appeasers of Nazi Germany - in the very nation that was carved out from the horrific calamity of the Holocaust. Bush's bizarre and beyond-appropriate detour into American presidential politics took place in the middle of what should have been an occasion for joy: A speech to Israeli's Knesset to honor that nation's 60th birthday.
But here's what he said:
JERUSALEM (CNN) – In a particularly sharp blast from halfway around the world, President Bush suggested Thursday that Sen. Barack Obama and other Democrats are in favor of "appeasement" of terrorists in the same way U.S. leaders appeased Nazis in the run-up to World War II.
"Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," said Bush, in what White House aides privately acknowledged was a reference to calls by Obama and other Democrats for the U.S. president to sit down for talks with leaders like Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
"We have heard this foolish delusion before," Bush said in remarks to the Israeli Knesset. "As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American Senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is - the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."
As a believer in free speech, I think Bush has a right to say what he wants, but as a President of the United States who swore to uphold the Constitution, his freedom also carries an awesome and solemn responsibility, and what this president said today is a serious breach of that high moral standard.
Of course, there are differences of opinion on how America should handle Iran, and that's why we're having an election here at home, to sort these issues out - hopefully with respect and not with emotional and inaccurate appeals. Not only is the president's comment a gross misrepresentation of Barack Obama's stance on the issue, but ironically, it comes just a day after his own Secretary of State, Robert Gates, said of Iran: "We need to figure out a way to develop some leverage ... and then sit down and talk with them." Is Gates a Nazi appeaser-type, too? And Bush has been hardly consistent on this point, either. Look at his own dealings with oil-rich Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi, linked to deadly terror attacks like Pan Am Flight 103.
But what Bush did in Israel this morning goes well beyond the accepted confines of American political debate, When the president speaks to a foreign parliament on behalf of our country, his message needs to be clear and unambiguous. Our democracy may look messy to outsiders, and we may have our disagreements with some sharp elbows thrown around, but at the end of the day we are not Republicans or Democrats or liberals or conservatives.
We are Americans.
And you, Mr. Bush, are the leader of us all. To use a diplomatic setting on foreign soil to score a cheap political point at home is way beneath your office, way beneath your country, and way beneath the people you serve. You have been handed an office once uplifted to great heights by fellow countrymen from Washington to Lincoln to Roosevelt to Eisenhower, and have plunged it so deeply into the Karl-Rove-and-Rush-Limbaugh-fueled world of political destruction and survival of all costs that have lost all perspective - and all sense of decency. To travel to Israel and to associate a sitting American senator and your possible successor in the Oval Office with those who at one time gave comfort to an enemy of the United States is, in and of itself, an act of political treason.
In another irony, this comes from an administration that has already committed such grave abuses that its former officials are becoming fearful of traveling overseas, lest they be arrested for war crimes. Despite the alleged crimes and misdemeanors of the Bush administration, the Democrats who control the House have until now been restrained in their use of the impeachment process, hoping that the final eight months of our American nightmare can pass by quickly. Indeed, one has to wonder how much of Bush's outrageous statement this morning arose from fear - fear that a President Obama will go after his wrongdoing in 2009.
Today, it's a whole new ballgame. I believe this treacherous statement by a U.S. president in Israel is a signal to the Democrats in the House in Washington, that it's time to play its Constitutional role in ending this trauma, before even greater acts against the interest of America are wrongly committed in our name.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051508R.shtml
And Bush's grandfather backed Hitler , financially ?
Someone get a mirror and hold it up to Bush, will ya ? | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/15/2008 6:03:02 PM | | What else would you expect? He's gonna completely lose it this year since he has only a few months left to declare martial law so whatever he's planning has to be done now or he will lose his window. I suspect he will be acting very erradic in the next few months. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/15/2008 6:04:50 PM | The Philadelphia Daily News is a tabloid newspaper that began publishing on March 31, 1925, under founding editor Lee Ellmaker. In its early years, it was dominated by crime stories, sports and sensationalism. By 1930, daily circulation of the morning paper exceeded 200,000. It is owned by Philadelphia Media Holdings L.L.C.
Circulation dropped over the years, and by 1954, the money-losing paper was sold to Matthew McCloskey, a contractor and treasurer of the Pennsylvania Democratic Party. In December of 1956, the paper's financial condition was so bad that McCloskey got permission from the unions for a 90 percent cut in the workforce.
In 1957, McCloskey sold the paper to Walter Annenberg, publisher of The Philadelphia Inquirer. Annenberg killed off the Daily News' Sunday edition and made the tabloid into an afternoon paper.
In 1969, Annenberg sold both papers to Knight Newspapers Inc., which eventually became Knight Ridder following a merger.
Under the new ownership, the Daily News returned to morning publication and aimed to be taken more seriously. The paper's journalists have won the Pulitzer Prize twice since then. Richard Aregood won in 1985 for editorial writing and Signe Wilkinson won for her editorial cartoons in 1992.
The paper continues to struggle financially (It was surpassed in circulation, but not readership, by the free daily Metro). When the sale of Knight Ridder to The McClatchy Company was announced in March 2006, there were rumors that McClatchy would close the Daily News. However, in May, before the sale was finalized, it was announced that the Inquirer and Daily News would be re-sold to Philadelphia Media Holdings L.L.C., a local group led by advertising executive Brian Tierney and co-founder of the Toll Brothers homebuilding firm, Bruce Toll. The deal became official on June 29, 2006. The group intends to strengthen the online presence of both papers, and begin an extensive ad campaign.[3].
it's still a tabloid paper. I don't go to fox news for news, why would I care what someone from this paper said. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/15/2008 6:23:31 PM | I'm beginning to think that Bush could come on TV wearing pink tights and and a fuzzy boa and tell the country that he is the second coming of satan and we all need to eat more broccoli and people wouldn't know he's completely lost it . I am really afraid at this point. It's as bad as Cheney saying "SO!!" but noone cared about that either ? | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/15/2008 7:14:04 PM | | Who's been one of the loud voices about concentrating on terrorists first and foremost instead of leading us into a war on misleading or fabricated intelligence and false pretenses? Who's talked about not being bound by a deal with a dictator thereby hindering our forces from defeating terrorists? Oh, that would be the appeaser to whom he's referring. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/15/2008 7:25:46 PM | As sad, stupid and as pathetic as it was, does anybody really give a sh*t what that azzhole says anymore? I mean, let's face it, Bush hasn't been relevant since...well, since even before he conned his way into the White House. I really believe that anybody with even the most rudimentary political savvy learned long ago that Bush is going to be seen as one of the most embarrassing mistakes the U.S. public ever allow to be foisted upon them. As such, anyone with hopes of any sort of long-term political career has done their best to avoid any association with the "man." This latest stunt has only served to cement his position as one of the most, if not THE most, despised and reviled figures in, not just U.S., but world history. He will NOT be missed! | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/15/2008 7:39:51 PM | Treason? I don't think so. Tasteless? Ignorant? Hypocritical? Unneccessary? Heavy handed? Yup. But his credibility is so low that such insults don't really carry much weight. It's like having your acting insulted by Steven Segal or Ashton Kutcher.
If Rev. Wright is the ball and chain which Obama must bear, President Bush is that which McCain must bear. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/15/2008 7:47:24 PM | what's so treasonous about Bush's remarks? He might be getting ready to nuke Iran though.
Kind of tactless but treasonous?
By the way, Bush was treated for Lyme Disease in 2006. This explains a lot in regards to Bush's erratic behavior while he's been in office. The question is how long did he have Lyme Disease before it was treated. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/15/2008 7:50:50 PM |
"...the United States Code at 18 U.S.C. § 2381 states "whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States." Slander for sure, but Obama is a public servant and has celebrity status. Politicians and preachers get a lot of leeway in how they can slander other public figures. Bush may well be guilty of treason, but not for this. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/15/2008 8:02:15 PM |
It's like having your acting insulted by Steven Segal or Ashton Kutcher.
Now that's no fair. Kutcher was pretty decent in 'The Guardian'. No Olivier for sure, but also not Keanu Reaves either. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/15/2008 8:10:49 PM | It's like having your acting insulted by Steven Segal or Ashton Kutcher.
Thanks for the laugh, but can someone please give poor Ashton a break?
And didn't Condi say that we should sit down with Iran's President? ummm ... what's his name? Ahimdidinididjad. I guess it's appeasement only if you're a Democrat running for office. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/15/2008 8:12:30 PM | MG, not the first time by this president.
What else would you expect? He's gonna completely lose it this year since he has only a few months left to declare martial law so whatever he's planning has to be done now or he will lose his window. I suspect he will be acting very erradic in the next few months. For sure. For sure. Does this look like a guy who gives a shit what anyone thinks?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0mkXLwZbI4&NR=1 | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/15/2008 8:17:43 PM | Well, you notice I did say ....political....... treason.
In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more serious acts of disloyalty to one's sovereign or nation.
Now here is President Bush, standing in front of Israeli politicians, there to celebrate Israel's sixtieth anniversary as a country. This isn't a time to use such an event for domestic political goals.
He's a man who has some strong family ties to a man who helped Hitler rise to power, his grandfather.
The Family Business
In 1926, after Prescott Bush had married Walker's daughter, Dorothy, Walker brought Bush in as a vice president of the private banking and investment firm of W.A. Harriman & Co., also located in New York. Bush became a partner in the firm that later became Brown Brothers Harriman and the largest private investment bank in the world. Eventually, Bush became a director of and stockholder in UBC.
However, the government documents note that Bush, Harriman, Lievense and the other UBC stockholders were in fact "nominees," or phantom shareholders, for Thyssen and his Holland bank, meaning that they acted at the direct behest of their German client.
Seized
On October 20, 1942, under authority of the Trading with the Enemy Act, the U.S. Congress seized UBC and liquidated its assets after the war. The seizure is confirmed by Vesting Order No. 248 in the U.S. Office of the Alien Property Custodian and signed by U.S. Alien Property Custodian Leo T. Crowley.
In August, under the same authority, Congress had seized the first of the Bush-Harriman-managed Thyssen entities, Hamburg-American Line, under Vesting Order No. 126, also signed by Crowley. Eight days after the seizure of UBC, Congress invoked the Trading with the Enemy Act again to take control of two more Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses - Holland-American Trading Corp. (Vesting Order No. 261) and Seamless Steel Equipment Corp. (Vesting Order No. 259).
The documents from the Archives also show that the Bushes and Harrimans shipped valuable U.S. assets, including gold, coal, steel and U.S. Treasury bonds, to their foreign clients overseas between 1931-33, as Hitler engineered his rise to power.
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/com-buchanan.html
At the same time Bush equates any negotiation with America's enemies as appeasement - while doing exactly that with more than one of America's enemies. American taxpayer dollars are being spent right now, as payment to Sunni ex-insurgents, large numbers of whom probably have the blood of American servicemen and women on their hands.
The Bush administration held three rounds of discussions with Iran about security in Iraq last year, including two at the ambassadorial level, and Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Wednesday that Washington needed to "figure out a way to develop some leverage ... and then sit down and talk with" Iran.
Joe Biden, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said that if the president disagrees so strongly with the idea of talking to Iran, then he needs to fire his secretaries of state and defense, both of whom Biden said have pushed to sit down with the Iranians.
So we have a statement , quite an obvious statement, delivered in front of the Knesset by a man who is certainly doing it only for political points at home. The same man also talks to American's enemies (through his administration) on a regular basis - and is related to a man who helped the Nazi party rise to power directly. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/15/2008 8:41:43 PM | Well... quite a discussion here.
Let's see... I'd betcha a cup of java and a piece of icecream/pudding pie that almost all Politicans, could at some time or another, be accused of treason and actually come close to it being true.
Our Founding Fathers committed treason for sure. Gotta luv em though.
Would it be 'treason' that while B. Clinton was getting his BJ, he was conversing with a Diplomat from another Nation ... was that phone conversation chit chat or was he talking matters that M. L. should not have overheard?
Was it treason all that Marilyn Monroe was privvy to about the affairs (pun intended) of the US with other Nations..during her liasons with both Kennedys. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/15/2008 8:52:19 PM | .
Press Bush was also involved in the Coop attempt on FDR, before he took office....
................ Bush and the RNC have framed ..... Defined Obama....... Gone after the Jewish vote big time ,
............... The Tenn. RNC came out with a video framing Michelle today....
..........This is going to get Rough... The RNC hits harder than a Girl.... | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/15/2008 9:19:48 PM | I'm appalled. I truly am. Him running his mouth like this is like setting up the future president of this country to look bad, like they don't know what they're doing, and trying to set things up for failure. (we've only to look towards his career as president and a businessman to see he what a bright, shining example he is.)
Nothing he says surprises me. Makes me ill and I shake my head in disgust, but I expect no less from him. Why expect anything more? | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/15/2008 9:47:12 PM | Obama, sweetie, calm down By Michelle Malkin • May 15, 2008 10:50 AM Methinks Obama doth protest too much.
President Bush speaks in Israel about the folly of appeasement. He doesn’t name any names. He could be talking about Jimmy Carter, Cindy Sheehan, the White Flag Democrat leaders in the House and Senate, or hell, his own State Department:
“Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along,” Bush said at Israel’s 60th anniversary celebration in Jerusalem.
“We have heard this foolish delusion before,” Bush said in remarks to Israel’s parliament, the Knesset. “As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: ‘Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.’ We have an obligation to call this what it is — the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.” So, who’s first out of the gate to whine about what they see as a “false political attack?”
The Barack Obama camp.
Obama, sweetie, if the shoe fits…
Malkin is also published in the Philadelphia Daily News. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/15/2008 9:53:29 PM | Bush didn't say anything new today that he hasn't said for the last seven years, but suddenly it's all about Obama? Not only that, but we now have a new category of crime: political treason. Defined as making a comment that might possibly include a person who might become a nominee in an election. It's all very vague but it definitely doesn't include Nancy Pelosi chatting with the Syrians, or Jimmy Carter making any number of asinine remarks all over the world.
So the word appeasement is used, and Team Obama (the candidate, the Democrat party, and the press) immediately spring into action to point out to the public that Obama resembles that remark. How many would have made the connection without the wall-to-wall shrieking to remind them?
Not only does he look whiny and egocentric, but he could have milked the Edwards endorsement for another full day of coverage. And he said McCain was the one "losing his bearings." | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/15/2008 9:56:22 PM |
Obama, sweetie, calm down By Michelle Malkin • May 15, 2008 10:50 AM Methinks Obama doth protest too much.
Nothing like cut'n'paste political debate. How about we all just FedEx each other our favorite bumper stickers? I wish I had people to think for me. It's such a hassle. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/15/2008 9:59:36 PM | Let Bush continue to talk . The more he does the more he's in the spotlight and people link McCain to him more and more. Remotely comparing what the WWII generation went through with Hitler, to stateless international terrorism as it exists today , is insulting to the WWII generation and WWII veterans and so on. If he's talking about Iran, that's still a laughable comparison. In any case if Israel actually feels Iran is such a threat to their existence, then let them use some of their 3 billion dollar a year allowance from here and try to handle Iran on their own. And if they find they've bitten off more than they can chew.....oh well.  | |
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