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 Phoebus2k9

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Posted: 5/16/2008 6:32:33 AM
Here are some links for some of the info and i was wondering if anyone else had any research into this ?

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/gravity.htm

http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Roschin_Magnetic_Gravity_Effects.htm

http://www.searlsolution.com/


Does anyone think they already have been using this for the last 20years or so give or take.????
 AppleGeek

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Posted: 5/16/2008 7:52:48 AM
I don't see why anyone would want to build something that converts 10kW of power to 6kW of power, I'd bet the phase change action of an air conditioner is a more efficient way to make cool air.
 abelian

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Posted: 5/16/2008 12:56:47 PM

Here are some links for some of the info and i was wondering if anyone else had any research into this?



In the words of W. Pauli, the content of those links are ``not even wrong.'' (And, believe me, that is not a good thing.)
 Phoebus2k9

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Posted: 5/16/2008 2:21:58 PM
Meh..those links were just a start of something, i mean im guessing no one really has looked into this kinda research ? I mean i myself would love to build just to see for myself if the devices really work or not it makes me quite curious.
 chrono1985

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Posted: 5/16/2008 4:00:36 PM
There's a guy, John Hutchison, that developed a form of anti-gravity and phasing, which was pretty well documented. Though I think his method wouldn't work without a planet with a magnetic field since his technique involved projecting extremely strong electro-magnetic patterns onto objects in a very powerful but controlled manner. He got however all kinds of weird results from his research, and was offered by multiple military huge sums of money to turn over his research, but didn't like the idea that it'd be taken away from the public so declined. His research even delved a bit into ZPE (Zero-Point-Energy), though none of his examples are as grand as he makes them out to be.

There's a lot of videos of his work and ramblings on google video, youtube, and several other web sites. Just to be clear though the phasing I mentioned is a complex notion, it can alter the way a material acts (gelification of metals), or remove it from local interaction (moving through another material without change either of the materials involved in any way), there's other things that can be done with phasing but those are the two I can think of off the top of my head.

I myself choose not to remove gravity from the equation but to use it to my advantage. Using a complex lattice of magnetics and miniaturized air jets, however my simulations of it are somewhat dis hearting since the more nodes involved the less of a margin for error there is. You arrange a magnetic lattice (sphers are my chosen shapes) around the edge of a shape, so that each magnet can hold itself in place as long as each node is present in a vacuum (move one the rest follow). In an atmosphere or zone with influence of gravity, use miniaturized air jets which piggy back their motors spin from the magnetic lattice and provide the up force, gravity balances the up force with down force. The calculations have to be extremely precise to produce the desired results, but you wind up shielding whatever is inside the lattice from electro-magnetic forces, no clue if it shields from gravity though as I have no real world model.

Got the idea from the hovering magnet trick, where you can make a magnet hover over top of computer monitor (laying face up) when you align their fields just right, long as the magnet hovering doesn't move to far it snaps back to it's initial position. Don't try this with a good monitor however because it's likely to render it useless.
 elnerico

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Posted: 5/16/2008 7:11:21 PM
Just want to add my 2 cents and say that neither of any of the ideas presented so far are really "anti-gravity". Electromagnetism is merely a force to counter the affect of gravity but gravity is essential still there whether the electromagnetic force is there or not. The true ability to cancel gravity has not been reached.
 Beaugrand®™©

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Posted: 5/17/2008 3:22:13 PM

He got however all kinds of weird results from his research, and was offered by multiple military huge sums of money to turn over his research, but didn't like the idea that it'd be taken away from the public so declined.
First clue that the inventor is a fraud. ANY legit inventor would cash out in a heartbeat, because the name of the game is to MAKE LOTS OF MONEY. "Selling out" is EXACTLY what the poor little inventor is hoping to do...
Anybody who claims to have turned down LOTS OF MONEY for his research is a liar and a fraud and a phony.
 Phoebus2k9

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Posted: 5/18/2008 3:09:23 PM

Anybody who claims to have turned down LOTS OF MONEY for his research is a liar and a fraud and a phony


Well maybe in your world, if anyone has any respect for his own work they will not sell out. Especially if you have come to realize money is nothing more then mere paper with no VALUE what so ever behind it. Anyways your right gravity wil always be there but the whole point your missing is that the area the electromag creates a field which make whatever is in that area become not effected by gravity
 sam-spade

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Posted: 5/18/2008 6:04:10 PM
but this is the best
The Beaty-tchison Effect: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8pTio26Xgw
 Beaugrand®™©

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Posted: 5/18/2008 10:09:05 PM

if anyone has any respect for his own work they will not sell out.

Hold a lot of patents, do you?

That's nonsense. I'm a "tinkerer" and "part-time inventor" myself. An invention is worthless if it's not going to make money for me. The guys who refuse to "sell out" are crackpots, and their "inventions" are suspect.

Once an invention is patented, anyone can look it up- the only ideas that can be "suppressed" are those that aren't patented, if it isn't patented it's worthless anyway.

Besides, if a corporation wants to pay lots of money and buy an idea with the intention not to use it, the inventor can simply wait until the patent expires (20 years for a US Utility patent, 14 for a design patent) and publish the plans and details (or arrange to have them published posthumously).
 sam-spade

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Posted: 5/19/2008 4:05:00 AM
Beau, I agree completely.


Once an invention is patented, anyone can look it up-
Not if you keep it in play. You can keep it secret for years, and the clock only starts once it's finalised and approved.

BTW, you can't patent an idea.
 sam-spade

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Posted: 5/19/2008 4:17:40 AM
Beau, I agree completely.


Once an invention is patented, anyone can look it up-
Not if you keep it in play. You can keep it secret for years, and the clock only starts once it's finalised and approved.

I don't think you can patent an idea per se.
 ald89

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Posted: 5/19/2008 2:32:08 PM
Ehh. What benifit would we actually have by creating "anti-gravitons". Wouldn't the mass keep trying to... unmass its self at an uncontrolable rate anyways? I'm fairly certain we are far away from the technologies of controling such a substance.
 Beaugrand®™©

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Posted: 5/19/2008 3:40:45 PM
It's called "intellectual property."

Registered, trademarked, copyrighted, or patented.
® ™ © or "patent pending," "Patent applied for," "patent # XXXXXXXX"

It's all about ideas, not artifacts.
 Phoebus2k9

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Posted: 5/20/2008 6:27:44 AM
Well alot of ideas that are not sold as you would like them to do. I think most men with great ideas or inventions can see where it might lead to. Like if you built something great knowing it could be used as a means to destroy a whole country or nations. I mean take David Adair for instance, made a rocket that could go travel so fast you couldnt even see it take off. He blew up his own rocket for the simple reason he could see them using it against other nations in war. Put a Nuke on that baby and any country its aimed at would be destroyed before they seen it coming.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=148004506625128048

You might think he is a crack pot but hey just do your research behind the BS. Im honestly still researching this man but let me know what you think.

There are a few others as well who you would look at as crackpots but i can only assume before man was flying, they thought most of the inventors were crackpots back in the day.
 Beaugrand®™©

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Posted: 5/20/2008 8:29:33 AM

"He blew up his own rocket for the simple reason he could see them using it against other nations in war."


Ironically, the first experimental US satellites, and the first US manned capsules, Mercury and Gemini, were launched by ICBM rocket boosters- weapons of war. The dread V2 Nazi rocket bombs were created by scientists and engineers whose original interest in rocketry was the exploration of space (Oberst, von Braun, et al).
Name any significant technological innovation, and chances are its first application was military.

Another explanation is that it didn't work and he wanted to avoid the embarrassment.


"...made a rocket that could go travel so fast you couldnt even see it take off."


...and if you couldn't see it take off, how do we know it actually did? This would be easy to fake, generate a big cloud of smoke at the launching pad while hiding (or blowing up?) the "rocket," and claim it was too fast to see?
 Phoebus2k9

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Posted: 5/20/2008 8:48:04 AM
hhaha well if you had watch the video or read the articles you would know the rocket was aimed at a specific location and was found at that location. it was at the next location that he had blew up his rocket that he had made. From what i can recall it was an electromagnetic rocket of some kind. It was funded by someone in congress. So before he lauched it ppl from DOD had asked him to aim it at the location of their specifications.
 Beaugrand®™©

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Posted: 5/20/2008 9:48:06 AM
So, the claim is, he WAS working for DOD, took their money, but decided his rocket was "too good" or "too dangerous?"

Right.
 meridian_blue

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Posted: 5/20/2008 10:40:48 AM
Registered, trademarked, copyrighted, or patented.
® ™ © or "patent pending," "Patent applied for," "patent # XXXXXXXX"


And... copyleft?
 Phoebus2k9

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Posted: 5/20/2008 10:44:19 AM
take a look at the video, it will explain all the questions your asking me...the link should be above somewhere.


its not that long but long enough to get the into your looking for
 Scotty Mc

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Posted: 5/22/2008 8:44:13 AM
There is a small flaw here in using electromagnetic fields ,
children and some elderly have been adversely effected living under powerlines of high power areas due to the inadvertant fields created.
you will note that home prices are somewhat lower if the home is under or close to high power lines.
whats all this got to do with antigravity disscussions is that even if one does make something capable of doing such it could well prove to be a potential problem for the testing such a craft as the effects might be shown only in the long term...
still they are doing amazing things with superconductors this day and age.
 Phoebus2k9

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Posted: 5/22/2008 10:01:22 AM
Those line are totally different then the fields that are created from Electromagnetic fields. They from what i hear actually have good effects on the human body.
 quietcowboy

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Posted: 5/22/2008 10:42:15 AM

children and some elderly have been adversely effected living under powerlines of high power areas due to the inadvertant fields created.


This was an urban myth. Real studies disproved pretty much soundly.
 MtLoopHiker

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Posted: 5/22/2008 10:14:06 PM
I've heard something akin to antigravity in recent theory, but it is nothing like what the OP is positing, in fact it's measurable only in intergalactic scales, and is cautiously being put forth as an explanation of why galaxies appear to be accelerating away from each other.
 Phoebus2k9

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Posted: 5/23/2008 7:41:29 AM
Well i was wondering if anyone else was researching this...there is this video by Stan Deyo about it...have a watch its quite interesting. If you think he is a crackpot let me know because if thats the case then So is David Adair,Stan friedman and many others....But one things to be certain listen to all the info before you make your assumption. It dont make any sense to pass judgment before all the info is layed out

Stan Deyo
http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=stan+deyo&hl=en&sitesearch=#


David Adair
http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=stan+deyo&hl=en&sitesearch=#q=David%20adair&hl=en&sitesearch=


Stan friedman
http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=stan+deyo&hl=en&sitesearch=#hl=en&sitesearch=&q=Stan%20friedman
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